Bangkok Reports

[Dirk67]

2500-3000 is common for ST. Those asking 3000 can sometimes be negotiated down to 2500. The opportunity to preview is an advantage, I've more often been disappointed by Thermae girls than bar girls.

No need to tip on top of the ST fee for either gogo girls or thermae freelancers.

I guess I've had the opposite experience-- thus far, my Thermae experiences have been far better, with better bodies and faces in the light, and more GFE than go-go girls (save one go-go girl, my most recent was 100% GFE). Plus less expensive (2500 vs 2500/3000 + barfine).

I will never understand these prices. Guys already overpay in the GoGos with ST of 3 k plus ridiculous barfines on top. Now people start to pay the same ridiculous amounts (and actually more) on dating sites?

I pay 1.5-2 k max. For girls from thaifriendly, or nothing at all. I am talking 18-24 yo here and BBFS. The most they ask for is 3 k which I refuse. The last I had was a dancer from Crazy House. 1. 7 k ST BBFS, but a bad performance. Don't want to think about had I paid the ridiculous gogo rate for such a low-performer.

I agree the barfines are ridiculous. I remember a few years ago barfines were in the 500-600 range (if memory serves). Now I'm being told 1000 (Twisters). At Billboard I was charged 700. Don't know if barfines are standard or it depends on time / person / guest. I was at the go-gos at roughly the same times though, only difference was venue.

And looks like I've really been overpaying. While I don't do BBFS, I have not been able to get to 1. 5-2 K at all, Thermae girls have all standardized, and I think unless it's nearing closing time or maybe very early, 2 K is not possible. Nobody would budge from it. I suggested 1. 5 K to a previous girl I met as a sideline girl who is now at Thermae every night, after she pestered me to take her (messages, calls). She stopped messaging me. Then again, she is a pro, not part-timer or civ.

I have had a few civs in BKK as well as some other places, but it always ends up costing the same or more if you count the dating aspect.

On the other hand, perhaps being a little more generous (2500 vs 2000) is what leads to a better experience if the girl doesn't feel like she is being taken advantage of. For example, your Crazy Horse dancer for 1. 7 K. You said it was a terrible performance. I wonder if it would have been totally different for 800 more? For the time invested in even having that experience, maybe a marginal 800 baht is worth it.

[EihTooms]

Thanks for that info. I have been past there three times since seeing your post and have not found any of my previous favorites. Som's had some diamonds in the rough. There was one that wore glasses and was super petite who could swallow all of the way down. She was really pretty as well. There was another who was sort of college looking who drooled gobs which was quite sexy. She got off watching herself in the mirror which turned me on. I will try some of the new talent today and get back to all of you.

I have only walked directly past the Som's girls at the new location a couple of times now and have not seen anyone I would choose, either. Same with Kasalong Bar and L0litas Bar, day shift or night shift, over the past 2-3 months. None of the four or five better than average lookers have been seen outside those bars in at least that amount of time. Maybe those who are left are fantastic providers. But I can't get past the below average looks to be inspired to find out.

[EihTooms]

I will never understand these prices. Guys already overpay in the GoGos with ST of 3 k plus ridiculous barfines on top. Now people start to pay the same ridiculous amounts (and actually more) on dating sites?

I pay 1.5-2 k max. For girls from thaifriendly, or nothing at all. I am talking 18-24 yo here and BBFS. The most they ask for is 3 k which I refuse. The last I had was a dancer from Crazy House. 1. 7 k ST BBFS, but a bad performance. Don't want to think about had I paid the ridiculous gogo rate for such a low-performer.

My experience is similar to yours in terms of normal rates I pay for girls met on dating sites like ThaiFriendly and ThaiCupid. And 2,000-2,500 baht for Long Time, not just for Short Time, is very doable.

However, bear in mind the online scene has no observable reference standards whatsoever. Girls can either be totally inexperienced at How Much and For What in the P4P scene or they can be hardened pros who know the score at every venue level. I just had a short, chubby, BARELY passable 40 year old who clicked interested in me on ThaiFriendly ask for 4000 ST. Just out of curiosity, I countered by telling her I regularly get sweet, young, cute girls to go bareback for boom boom or finish a blowjob with full cum inside mouth, my choice and up to me, and stay with me all night afterwards until late morning for 2000+200 or so for taxi, which is the truth. She countered with "I want 5000". LOL. No, I didn't bite. But there very well might be many men on those dating sites who will bite and have no idea there is such a place online as ISG.

It is always possible the guy clicking interested in a FL online is more monstrous than any man you have ever seen in a bar (not saying that was the case here by any means) while the girl is more beautiful than any girl you've seen in Thermae or the most high end discos. Hence, a 4000 baht ST kind of makes sense for both sides in that situation. Or more.

There is no "wingman" support. There is no "audience" to rally around your hilarious use of plastic bugs and whoopee cushions with the girls. There is no way to know how many other potential customers are at this very moment hitting on your target girl and making offers. And so much more. There is only your and her looks (via a Line video chat), your personal connection with her and her with you, your real, solitary, one-on-one charm "game" in that regard to win a girl for yourself at an acceptable rate over the next guy. If money is at issue at all, that is.

It isn't the place for big, boisterous personalities. Being fun is still helpful. But you must be able to simplify, economize and focus your "fun" personality to only that which works with a lone female, not an eager audience of drinking buddies and servers, and dump whatever doesn't work.

And when it boils down to that, there will be a lot of guys having to overpay to the tune of 4,000-5,000+ baht to finally find themselves naked and alone with a particular girl in a room for ST.

[AmPervert]

Som's new location is around the bend from her original Sukhumvit Soi 14 location as you turn right from Sukhumvit onto Ratchadaphisek. Ratchadaphisek is what Asok becomes when it crosses Sukhumvit. So Som's new bar/shop would be essentally across the street from the Exchange Tower in that intersection, just past Sukhumvit, down a small driveway next to the little Asok Bar on Ratchadaphisek.

The new name of her bar/shop is Duangporn Massage or something like that. You will see some ladies sitting outside her shop on that small driveway. BTW, as you round the bend from Sukhumvit onto Ratchadaphisek, you will first encounter another massage shop with uniformed girls sitting outside. That is not Som's new place. Keep going around that bend until you get to the little Asok Bar. Turn right there.

Thanks for that info. I have been past there three times since seeing your post and have not found any of my previous favorites. Som's had some diamonds in the rough. There was one that wore glasses and was super petite who could swallow all of the way down. She was really pretty as well. There was another who was sort of college looking who drooled gobs which was quite sexy. She got off watching herself in the mirror which turned me on. I will try some of the new talent today and get back to all of you.

[Kuratla]

So I've been hitting the massage parlors regularly over the last couple months. You know, get my brains fucked out for two hours, end the fantasy and head home. I have noticed something interesting and want to see if others have had the same experience or if it's all in my head. So, after leaving the girl, utterly drained but feeling great, I get on the BTS or MRT to head home. Three times consecutively now, I have attracted the attention of women on the train. Full on interest; eye contact, body language, smiles, checking their hair or make up when they think I'm not looking. If I had Superman's eyes, I'm sure that I would see the dampness growing between their legs. Basically, these women were just dying for me to talk to them. So what's going on? Can they sense / smell the sex of the massage lady on me? Am I giving off certain signals that they are hyper-aware of? Or am I full of shit and I see opportunities everywhere because I just left from a sexual marathon? Anyone else have these experiences after leaving from a massage parlor?

[YetAnotherGuy]

Given 2000 ST is possible near closing time, as Jakebrown6661 below indicates, what's a reasonable ST? 2500? Then do folks still tip? I generally tip 100-200 to Thermae girls if the experience was good, they have been appreciative and did not seem to expect. No tip to mama, got it. And I got to stay disciplined on the lady drinks. That still adds up to maybe 3000ST for Go-go, maybe quality isn't that much better than Thermae, other than the chance to preview the goods up close (and even then, can't always tell what the body is like under real lighting and everything off.

2500-3000 is common for ST. Those asking 3000 can sometimes be negotiated down to 2500. The opportunity to preview is an advantage, I've more often been disappointed by Thermae girls than bar girls.

[Jim200]

I have been around long enough to know better, but still got had. Thanks for confirming what I suspected, I guess I wasn't thinking with the right head at the time, LOL. I guess I'm more used to the Indo scene now where everything is pretty standard in the bigger venues and can pay with credit card.

Given 2000 ST is possible near closing time, as Jakebrown6661 below indicates, what's a reasonable ST? 2500? Then do folks still tip? I generally tip 100-200 to Thermae girls if the experience was good, they have been appreciative and did not seem to expect. No tip to mama, got it. And I got to stay disciplined on the lady drinks. That still adds up to maybe 3000ST for Go-go, maybe quality isn't that much better than Thermae, other than the chance to preview the goods up close (and even then, can't always tell what the body is like under real lighting and everything off.

I'll also admit I didn't RTFF enough before setting out, and my last time in a go-go was years ago, having just done Thermae or focused on civvies. Lesson learned.

No need to tip on top of the ST fee for either gogo girls or thermae freelancers.

[HorseTrader]

One from wechat did a video chat with me, voice was a little deep, but appears to match her photos. The other two from TanTan claim they don't have LINE, WeChat or anything that can do videochat. One sent me a 5's video, but without sound, so impossible to tell if the photos even match the person.

So possibilities are:

1) Real and possible stunner.

2) Bait & Switch.

3) Ladyboy (post-op / pre-op who knows).

And of course who knows about performance. Could run the gamut.

Wechat has many ladyboys, but also some good girls that are available for reasonable prices or for free. When I first start chatting, I simply ask if they are a ladyboy. Often they are LB. I've never met one that claimed to be female but was actually ladyboy.

[Dirk67]

3300 to the girl and 500 baht to the mamasan. Yeah they took advantage of you although you could have just said no. Try Twister and RB4 in Nana, Baccara on Cowboy. I can't recommend Crazy House anymore although it is still a hands on, nude girly bar and still fun occasionally. I highly recommend Kings Castle 1 & 2 on Patpong 1 (not Kings Corner 1 & 2 LOL).

You should not pay more than 3000 for ST in any GO GO in BKK or Pattaya. Barfines vary. Kings Castle 1 and Mandarin have high barfines to pay off their agency girls (1400 & 1500 respectively). I only buy drinks for my girl unless one of her girlfriends is really nice and I think I might want to do her or them together at a later date. There is no need to tip a mamasan. If pressured I say, "later" and they quit asking. I tip certain waitresses at my favorite Go Go's because I know them long time & they know me and give me preferential service. I do tip mamasan Tang at Crazy House because I have known her a long time and she gives me special attention and vip treatment. I give my CH mamasan 100 baht and buy her a drink, but only when I am in the process of barfining a CH girl, otherwise, when I am just looking, she gets nada. She understands my M.O. and is very cool with it.

Said it before and will say it again there is absolutely ZERO need to tip any gogo mamasan. What is she going to do? Bring a girl for you next time? I'm more than capable of getting my own girl and what are the odds the next girl mamasan brings me is someone I actually like. Listen to what Natty posted there is some very good info in his post. I was going to barfine a gogo girl one night but her insistence that I had to tip the mamasan made me change my mind. Keep in mind girls and mamasans see a tourist a mile away.



I prefer Thermae over any gogo bar. Wish we had a place like Thermae in Pattaya. Odd we don't given the number of Japanese and Korean tourists. No ladydrinks and lots of good laughs watching guys and girls interact. I've always had sufficient service at Thermae. Never expect PSE or you will be disappointed at Thermae.

I have been around long enough to know better, but still got had. Thanks for confirming what I suspected, I guess I wasn't thinking with the right head at the time, LOL. I guess I'm more used to the Indo scene now where everything is pretty standard in the bigger venues and can pay with credit card.

Given 2000 ST is possible near closing time, as Jakebrown6661 below indicates, what's a reasonable ST? 2500? Then do folks still tip? I generally tip 100-200 to Thermae girls if the experience was good, they have been appreciative and did not seem to expect. No tip to mama, got it. And I got to stay disciplined on the lady drinks. That still adds up to maybe 3000ST for Go-go, maybe quality isn't that much better than Thermae, other than the chance to preview the goods up close (and even then, can't always tell what the body is like under real lighting and everything off.

I'll also admit I didn't RTFF enough before setting out, and my last time in a go-go was years ago, having just done Thermae or focused on civvies. Lesson learned.

[Jim200]

Have been to go-gos in Phuket and Cowboy, but admittedly, never Nana Plaza. I remember a few years back it felt like the whole area was LBs so I avoided.

Recently saw some positive reports about Billboard so I decided to make it a priority to check out Nana.

Didn't really step into any other go-gos, but there were a good number of hotties milling about outside the doors of each club and on the terraces (and also a fair number of LBs).

Stepped into Billboard on a weeknight and it was busy-- a rotating stage on the left with about 1-2 dozen girls depending on the time (when I first arrived there were girls two rows deep in a circle), clothed in bikinis, and on the right in a bathtub topless girls. Nice looking tits, and all appeared to have nice bodies, but maybe a slight step down in face. On the rotating stage you had for the most part very slender, taller girls, and a variety of styles from very East Asian look to very Thai look, light skin to dark skin, sweet look to sultry and tattooed look. There were probably a good half dozen I would have barfined.

Getting a good seat is hard-- I think the best are either the high top tables in the middle or along the stadium seating on the far wall. The side seating has a ceiling that blocks the view, and the seats at the stage are too too close..

500 baht for a mamasan. And I thought saphan kwai was bad. It's shit like this and all the additional costs for mediocre service that I stopped going to gogos.

[Amnesia]

The Thai friendly was a pro 4000 all in. Well worth it!.

I will never understand these prices. Guys already overpay in the GoGos with ST of 3 k plus ridiculous barfines on top. Now people start to pay the same ridiculous amounts (and actually more) on dating sites?

I pay 1.5-2 k max. For girls from thaifriendly, or nothing at all. I am talking 18-24 yo here and BBFS. The most they ask for is 3 k which I refuse. The last I had was a dancer from Crazy House. 1. 7 k ST BBFS, but a bad performance. Don't want to think about had I paid the ridiculous gogo rate for such a low-performer.

[Banana Boi]

Mama also asked for 500 tip. Maybe should have offered less or refused, but already in the hole I just went with it.

Said it before and will say it again there is absolutely ZERO need to tip any gogo mamasan. What is she going to do? Bring a girl for you next time? I'm more than capable of getting my own girl and what are the odds the next girl mamasan brings me is someone I actually like. Listen to what Natty posted there is some very good info in his post. I was going to barfine a gogo girl one night but her insistence that I had to tip the mamasan made me change my mind. Keep in mind girls and mamasans see a tourist a mile away.

I've still had better luck at much lower cost at Thermae, even as I prefer the overall entertainment atmosphere at the go-go vs the crowded meat market everyone staring atmosphere at Thermae.

I prefer Thermae over any gogo bar. Wish we had a place like Thermae in Pattaya. Odd we don't given the number of Japanese and Korean tourists. No ladydrinks and lots of good laughs watching guys and girls interact. I've always had sufficient service at Thermae. Never expect PSE or you will be disappointed at Thermae.

[Marky1]

So who cares? LOL Many are finicky about something. Some need no babies, some need big tits, some need anal, some need BBFS, some need CIM and swallow of all things, some need white skin, some don't like broad flat noses, some hate deflated saggy tits, some hate Tats or piercings or, some cannot abide pussy hair, some want to copy extreme porn movies, so many weird or special requirements. I just wanted Thais to look like what I was used to 27 years ago, and not like some new race. Non tall noses and non hooked noses was one aspect. Thais with Egyptian noses would look silly, right? LOL I already much prefer real Thais over Chinese (in general) where many guys are the reverse, but I like Indonesians and Philippinas okay, some Cambodians. I like chopstick legs. I don't like very straight bodies without curves (not referring to tits here). I hate saggy asses. I don't go for thighs with no gap. So what! No big deal.

It was more observation than criticism.

Your disgust for surgically altered noses amuses me more than anything. It seems like you go out of your way to share it with us at every opportunity.

I enjoy it. It amuses me. It's unique. Please continue.

[JakeBrown6661]

Thanks to all the folks who have been posting great reports.

I checked in to my hotel on Soi 3 at around 10 pm. Took a shower had a beer and was at Nana Plaza by 11 pm. Obviously got propositioned by a lot of ladies / LBs on the way. I read Russians hang out on Soi 3, I walked up and down a couple of times, nowhere to be seen. Some really dodgy looking freelancers around a hotel called Grace.

Went straight to Twister. Number of girls. Good. Quality. Good. Set up. Extremely weird. There is not a single spot in the bar from which 1 can enjoy both stages. I was given a seat at the nude stage so my choice was limited to only the girls who got up on that stage. Sat and enjoyed the surroundings for about 1-1. 5 hours, sipping beers. Mentally shortlisted 3 girls. Asked about ST charges, decided I didn't want to waste money on lady drinks. Was informed 1000 + 3000. Obviously I was aware ST can go low as low as 2000 total around closing time. Anyway, asked for my 1st preference, she had just been grabbed by a group of guys. Asked for my 2nd preference and was flat out refused. Said she doesn't go out of the bar. Weird. Next thing I see she came and sat next to the Japanese gentleman next to me. Repeatedly kept asking him to bar fine her. He refused saying he didn't want to spend the money. She had the audacity to ask me if I would bar fine her now. Was close to 2 at the time and I wasn't having any of it. Politely told her she should continue in her endeavour to only find Japanese men. Called over my 3rd choice. Bar fined her. Told the mamasan 4 k total is too much, she said bar fine is 1000 non negotiable, girl I can negotiate directly. Offered 2000 to the girl, she agreed in a second. Head back to my hotel. She was a 35 year old petite woman. Very playful. Good service. However, 30-35 minutes into the act and she asked me when I was going to finish. I told her with a condom it usually takes a bit longer and she should be patient as it hasn't been that long. She said she wanted to "suck" me and I can enter her again in 5 minutes. Why would I refuse that offer? So I remove the condom, not going for a CBJ. While blowing me she came up to give me a kiss on my neck while dry humping me. Next thing I know she is completely on top of me and moving up and down vigorously. It takes me 30 seconds to realise what has just happened. Too late I think. Turn her over, pound her and finish. Take a shower, send her away. Left wondering why I let the situation get the better of me. Never again I think to myself. Besides that, a good experience.

[Member #4698]

Barfine was 700 + 3300 to the girl ST. I think that's normal for a go-go? Or was I overcharged?

3300 to the girl and 500 baht to the mamasan. Yeah they took advantage of you although you could have just said no. Try Twister and RB4 in Nana, Baccara on Cowboy. I can't recommend Crazy House anymore although it is still a hands on, nude girly bar and still fun occasionally. I highly recommend Kings Castle 1 & 2 on Patpong 1 (not Kings Corner 1 & 2 LOL).

You should not pay more than 3000 for ST in any GO GO in BKK or Pattaya. Barfines vary. Kings Castle 1 and Mandarin have high barfines to pay off their agency girls (1400 & 1500 respectively). I only buy drinks for my girl unless one of her girlfriends is really nice and I think I might want to do her or them together at a later date. There is no need to tip a mamasan. If pressured I say, "later" and they quit asking. I tip certain waitresses at my favorite Go Go's because I know them long time & they know me and give me preferential service. I do tip mamasan Tang at Crazy House because I have known her a long time and she gives me special attention and vip treatment. I give my CH mamasan 100 baht and buy her a drink, but only when I am in the process of barfining a CH girl, otherwise, when I am just looking, she gets nada. She understands my M.O. and is very cool with it.