Bangkok Reports

[Stykler]

The girls are not interested, in general they have no idea of what is going on outside Thailand, and they could not care a rats-ass about politics or your opinion.

Very wise words indeed. I couldn't believe how oblivious Thai's were to what is going on in the rest of the world when I first came onto the scene. Twenty years later, nothing has changed.

[Syzygies]

Why do you think Koreans are so popular? I have asked this questions to bargirls many times and their reply. Apart from the easy-money / pay better / come in 1 minute aspect, it is always the same; falangs are complicated and ask too many questions. Koreans just smile and are happy and easy-going. They do not ask questions about their personal life or make complicated suggestions like the one you suggested.

Ha ha. I wish it were that simple. I don't ask the girl lots of questions, only the most basic, like will you go with me for short time? Etc. I never discuss details of the acts to be performed. I never ask the girls personal questions, other than maybe how old and which province they come from. I am easy-going and joke around. I have started to ask girls a bit about how long they have been in the bar, do they like Farangs or Asians better, etc. I try to gauge if they are experienced at fucking Farangs or complete newbies. I don't even ask if they have a baby. I can guess that for myself (mostly).

Maybe some girls are really liking my easy going nature, but that might be a small percentage. Girls may well have a very complex set of criteria and priorities in selecting a target customer. The criteria might not even be conscious. Many times has been said it matters how we dress, how we smell, are we polite, arrogant, etc. I think many girls do not see me as a stingy type and that is why I don't have to negotiate a price with all girls. Some have already seen how other girls that know me react to me, and may have heard gossip.

Despite my easy going nature, some girls are still going to prefer Koreans, probably younger and more handsome, maybe quick fucks I don't know, maybe known for paying well for very poor service, whatever. The girl does not know in advance that I fuck for a long time compared to average. We get undressed and they can get dick scared quite quickly if not used to Farangs. Then I can't fuck the girl who is maintaining her straight stiff legs starfish. It is just not going to work. I would prefer a limp relaxed star fish. That is the big danger if girl is not experienced with Farangs. In Thermae, we get a yes from some girls but with Farang surcharge. Already their attitude is apparent. It seems like they expect we will take longer and therefore should pay more, meaning the girl likes a quickie, more than likely. Plenty of times we see a bar girl go with customer and then return to the bar in 30 minutes or less (sometimes seems like 20 minutes), especially with Asian customers.

Some girls are just not doing Farangs at all. Maybe too many bad experiences and damage. We might collectively deserve our bad reputation, even if I am the easy going type. It is hard for me to imagine just how ugly or psycho guys can be in the way they talk to girls and treat them.

[Aviator12]

The dykie mamasan walked away and then I asked the still cuddling girl what we would do in the room for the 3,000 baht. Remember, I just did not want to go through any discussion about the minimum I require this night, didn't want to have the "condom" conversation tonight, didn't want to explain for the umpteenth time that I was not looking for a BBBJ that ends as a Hand Job instead of a Blowjob. I was not going to pay to jerk myself off on some part of her body and call that "great sex". I wanted her to at least say, "Anything" or "Everything" or "Up to you" or "Boom boom" or "Stare at the wall" or something, anything. But nope. Nothing. Apparently, she was actually demanding 3,000 baht ST for the DATY I said I wanted to do to her and NOTHING else. LOL.

So I thanked them both for their time, the girl and the dykie mamasan, paid my approximate 500 baht check bin, left 20 baht tip for the server, stood up and moved on.

Either that offer was in no way as "idiot-proof" as I thought it would be on a slow Monday night during Low Season or I had simply encountered two idiots on lower Sukhumvit who could not see any reason on Earth to accept it.

Very interesting story this. I just think you made it too complicated. I am sure you know that most of these bar girls are simple farm girls from Isaan. Some are very clever, but they simply do not like complicated customers. Why do you think Koreans are so popular? I have asked this questions to bargirls many times and their reply. Apart from the easy-money / pay better / come in 1 minute aspect, it is always the same; falangs are complicated and ask too many questions. Koreans just smile and are happy and easy-going. They do not ask questions about their personal life or make complicated suggestions like the one you suggested. I am sure you know this and I am sure that you just wanted to play games with the girls this evening, but the story is a brilliant example of what many falang seems to miss; do not make it complicated. Smile, be happy, joke with her. Do not enter into questions on political issues, Thai mentality, her personal life etc. If she is not willing to lower the price, just walk away and try the next one. On a side note; I have a friend that visited Bangkok for the first time last year (he is over 50 years). He love to talk politics with everybody. So he started that also with go-go bargirls in Bangkok. After some time I had to tell him to stop. He just wasted his time. The girls are not interested, in general they have no idea of what is going on outside Thailand, and they could not care a rats-ass about politics or your opinion. So in the end he gave up.

[CzarNicholas]

Absolutely! On Soi 4 is the same. The girl is standing next to her friend. She is not necessarily openly going to agree to BBFS. Same anywhere I guess unless you can be sure your conversation is private. Even if someone overhears an offer of money well above the norm, then they will assume it is for something "special" or "Nasty".

Once you get to the room, many girls can't resist a bonus for BBFS, and yes some give in and provide for no extra charge. Girls are not smart if they give BBFS automatically to everyone, since they will catch something fairly soon. They need to come up with strategies to reduce the odds. I prefer girls that are not keen to give BBFS, and set a high premium for it, since they are less likely to have caught something. Regular tests helps too.

Girls have to also remember that regulars will expect BBFS every time if they ever got it. Would be smart to ask him to bring his recent test results.

Smart people also know that almost everyone lies about what things they have been doing sexually.

In BKK I don't want BBFS pse from a WG that gives that to everyone, that's a huge problem with AC everyone is getting BBFS, so I'm not able to enjoy DFK or DATY, even if I'm really turned on by her!

I prefer a WG that will take some coaxing in some manner, not to mention, I like to feel like she's treating me better than others LOL.

Not just a cum dumpster, for every monger in Asia, but yes they can lie, but I think I'm pretty good at guessing.

If she does this with every cock every session or not, I like to think intuition comes with experience.

As opposed to self-delusion!

[EihTooms]

That is a pity and also hard to understand a bit. In the old days 1990's, the girls usually did all night bookings, and seemed to be in it for the sex as well as the money. They could be quite passionate, they could refuse guys that did not appeal to them. I don't recall any poor girls from early on. Perhaps it happened and I forgot them, after sending them packing. I certainly remember girls so good, I had to keep repeating them.

Maybe in the early days girls realised the value of getting repeat business, rather than perhaps missing out on a booking, yet a remember a girl refusing so many guys and risking not finding one at all for the night (she was the friend of the girl I kept repeating). I suppose for all night bookings that compatibility between guy and girl becomes heaps more important.

Now the objective seems to be easy money quickies. Such a contrast from what Thermae was like in former times.

I would love to be able to go back to 1991 and repeat it, perhaps slightly differently, I had to learn some lessons too. Perhaps 1981 would be even better.

I believe this is where Goatscrot's observations about a very different regular clientele today vs back then comes into play. That reality certainly helps me to understand why the girls are the way they are today vs back then.

[Syzygies]

The other challenge with Thermae girls is many of them are mere P4P hobbyists, not fully committed to the business the way a go-go dancer, escort or even a FL standing on the street is committed to it. It is a very comfy part time gig to show up in Thermae whenever they feel like it and see if they can pick up an extra 2,500-3,000 baht for an hour doing as little as humanly possible. And if the rare punter asks them to actually do something, put themselves out a bit for the money, that does not fit the part time job pattern they expected or are used to.

That is a pity and also hard to understand a bit. In the old days 1990's, the girls usually did all night bookings, and seemed to be in it for the sex as well as the money. They could be quite passionate, they could refuse guys that did not appeal to them. I don't recall any poor girls from early on. Perhaps it happened and I forgot them, after sending them packing. I certainly remember girls so good, I had to keep repeating them.

Maybe in the early days girls realised the value of getting repeat business, rather than perhaps missing out on a booking, yet a remember a girl refusing so many guys and risking not finding one at all for the night (she was the friend of the girl I kept repeating). I suppose for all night bookings that compatibility between guy and girl becomes heaps more important.

Now the objective seems to be easy money quickies. Such a contrast from what Thermae was like in former times.

I would love to be able to go back to 1991 and repeat it, perhaps slightly differently, I had to learn some lessons too. Perhaps 1981 would be even better.

[Syzygies]

Thermae is a special challenge for getting an upfront commitment for anything off the basic, standard fare because the girls are standing or sitting close to other people. They aren't going to say yes to either of those requests if they think any other person on the planet heard you ask it or knows what you asked. I have even had girls on the left side gesture for me to come sit in a booth with them for a moment to have a more "private" conversation while there is some Japanese dude sitting right across the same table. LOL. Waste of time trying to talk about anything touchy there.

Absolutely! On Soi 4 is the same. The girl is standing next to her friend. She is not necessarily openly going to agree to BBFS. Same anywhere I guess unless you can be sure your conversation is private. Even if someone overhears an offer of money well above the norm, then they will assume it is for something "special" or "Nasty".

Once you get to the room, many girls can't resist a bonus for BBFS, and yes some give in and provide for no extra charge. Girls are not smart if they give BBFS automatically to everyone, since they will catch something fairly soon. They need to come up with strategies to reduce the odds. I prefer girls that are not keen to give BBFS, and set a high premium for it, since they are less likely to have caught something. Regular tests helps too.

Girls have to also remember that regulars will expect BBFS every time if they ever got it. Would be smart to ask him to bring his recent test results.

Smart people also know that almost everyone lies about what things they have been doing sexually.

[CzarNicholas]

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/03/u...gtype=Homepage

Wowwwwwwww.

Sounds like they are operating off of the same script as hookers.

The consumer with no regard for the concept of value is really culpable and complicit.

[Kickoffs]

The barfine at Butterflies has been 1,000 for quite a while I think. Well, several months at least. Maybe there are times when they run an "Early Bird Special", a "Late Bird Special" or a "Weekday Special" when the barfine is reduced to 700 baht that I am not aware of. Actually, Monday was kinda sorta a holiday or a special day in that it was technically the Queen's Birthday I think. Maybe it would have been 700 baht on a regular Monday but raised 300 baht to honor the Queen. lol.

On this night, last night (Monday), I did not go into any other gogo bars. After leaving Butterflies, I went to Thermae and took a girl from there. I will post a Report on that and two previous Thermae take outs over the past 3 months later when I can devote more attention to it.

I could be wrong. I know Billboard was 700 baht and didn't remember Butterflies being different. Looking forward to your review.

[EihTooms]

Would love to hear your report on negotiation strategy on BBBJ+CIM or BBFS +CIP at thermae.

Thermae is a special challenge for getting an upfront commitment for anything off the basic, standard fare because the girls are standing or sitting close to other people. They aren't going to say yes to either of those requests if they think any other person on the planet heard you ask it or knows what you asked. I have even had girls on the left side gesture for me to come sit in a booth with them for a moment to have a more "private" conversation while there is some Japanese dude sitting right across the same table. LOL. Waste of time trying to talk about anything touchy there.

I think the best chance for getting an upfront agreement there is to leave the bar with the girl and tell her what you want on the sidewalk outside away from other people.

Of course, this is about getting an upfront agreement for those or other things, not to be confused with not mentioning anything and just "going with the flow and see what happens in the room." That appears to work fine for many guys, especially those for whom covered sex is still pretty good and acceptable anyway.

That doesn't work very well for me though. If my finishing in either of the two ways I can and will finish, BBBJ+CIM or BBFS+CIP, is important this time, I need to get an upfront agreement for it before we go to my room. And if she says no, not a big deal to me these days. Next!

The other challenge with Thermae girls is many of them are mere P4P hobbyists, not fully committed to the business the way a go-go dancer, escort or even a FL standing on the street is committed to it. It is a very comfy part time gig to show up in Thermae whenever they feel like it and see if they can pick up an extra 2,500-3,000 baht for an hour doing as little as humanly possible. And if the rare punter asks them to actually do something, put themselves out a bit for the money, that does not fit the part time job pattern they expected or are used to.

But if there is an opportunity to negotiate for something off their menu upfront, the most direct approach has worked ok for me if there is any chance at all of it working; tell her I would pay XXXX baht for boom boom no condom and wait for her reply. In my case, if it is No, I might then ask if she can finish a BJ for me the way I want. If she says No to that, too, I smile, thank her for her time and walk away from what I am sure would have been worse than a waste of time and money for me anyway.

There is no clever, tricky way to get a girl to agree upfront to something she has no interest or need to do as far as I know. Best bet is to already be (or appear to be) the kind of person she would feel good about saying Yes to. LOL. I am talking about presenting a smiley, easy going, fun, pleasant demeanor, being clean and well groomed (unless she prefers the grungy type) and, yes, sometimes letting her know I have had a vasectomy and can show a recent normal blood check result document if that helps to make her feel more comfortable.

[EnjoyLife63]

The best place to bareback girls in Bangcock? I will be in Thailand next week. I am now mongering in Colombia.

[CzarNicholas]

She is top 2-3 in AC bar.

But lets be honest that's not saying much (if anything) LOL.

I don't know if I would call her top 2-3 in BKK bars, I would most likely pass on her in either venue.

No offense, she's not hideous.

I wouldn't turn her down for free, I would just rather spend my money on something.

That would excite me.

That being said.

If I met her, and she was really sweet, and whispered in my ear all the crazy.

Things a good girls knows to say.

Anything is possible, and there are always more variables for me than those that can be captured in just a photo.

I typed a different word with hyphens, I didn't type good girls LOL.

[FarangPunter]

The barfine at Butterflies has been 1,000 for quite a while I think. Well, several months at least. Maybe there are times when they run an "Early Bird Special", a "Late Bird Special" or a "Weekday Special" when the barfine is reduced to 700 baht that I am not aware of. Actually, Monday was kinda sorta a holiday or a special day in that it was technically the Queen's Birthday I think. Maybe it would have been 700 baht on a regular Monday but raised 300 baht to honor the Queen. lol.

On this night, last night (Monday), I did not go into any other gogo bars. After leaving Butterflies, I went to Thermae and took a girl from there. I will post a Report on that and two previous Thermae take outs over the past 3 months later when I can devote more attention to it.

Would love to hear your report on negotiation strategy on BBBJ+CIM or BBFS +CIP at thermae.

[Smoothy]

We had already covered the topic of her shaved pussy and her over the top love for DATY in our conversation during the two LDs. And she had every opportunity to change or alter the terms of my offer, including the amount of money I would pay above 2,000 baht as long as she had at least some idea what else she WOULD be willing to do in the room to justify my paying her that much or even 3,000 baht. As you see in my post, I even asked her about that. But she apparently couldn't think of anything that she would be willing to do in order to earn 3,000 baht except me eating her pussy.

Nice occupation I'd say. I no longer feel bad that they get so few days off in a month.

You've gotten me hot for this girl. Can you share her name and her dancing number? I'll head over there tonight.

[Mogwai]

I have never ever seen a tit job looking that good and real, so they must be real.

I'm almost 100% sure they are real. I've come across several girls in the Philippines with tits like that over the years. And they were all natural. Filipina's can have amazing tits. More so than Thai girls.