Bangkok Reports

[EihTooms]

Please don't use the ridiculous argument about minimum wage.

You can't take the most reasonable reference point reasonable people could use and dismiss it as ridiculous.

I will posit that hooking is a much easier "job" than say standing on ones feet as a mall clerk or fast food or being a maid cleaning shitty toilets all day, changing jizz soaked sheets etc.

Why else do so many attractive girls around the world suck dick? Most will tell you "EAZY money" they are lazy and it is easy, I won't dare call it work.

I think hookers should make much less than other low skill occupations, not more.

There are many countries where illiterate girls are making more than many physicians or dds or attorneys.

I agree with most of what you write here, although I would not characterize promoting the alternative approach as childish. Maybe as too soft a touch for girls who think they have us by the balls and might be right. LOL. Literally.

Good looking women willing to trade sex for support have always and will always find a way, with or without my help. And whatever they do for that kind of money, you can bet they see it as a lot easier than what their unattractive sisters do for a living.

Unless we're talking about approaching grisly, destitute street beggars for 500 baht Long Times. My greater concern then would be one might take me up on it.

But I am definitely not inclined to pay FLs more (or less) based on the ambience of the venue I happened to meet them in. I prefer to pay them based on the level and quality of service they gave me. For me, a True GFE/Real Sex with an above average looking Thai girl whether I meet her in Insanity, Thermae or the dark downside of Soi 4 is worth around 2,000 - 2,500. I would feel I got a pretty good deal with such a girl for 1,500 baht and that I'd overpaid for 3,000 baht, both of which have happened off and on, of course.

What I pay, if anything, when things go badly whether because I'd been obviously scammed or it falls in that grey area where it could simply have been her ineptitude has to be determined on a case by case basis. I'd put a girl out with no more than 200 baht taxi fare who got naked in my room then started changing the agreement to something unacceptable to me in an obvious scam attempt even if she was the hottest, most popular FL in Mixx or whatever.

[Pinaypounder]

I have had good low priced performances, and bad low priced performances. I have also had good High priced performances and I have had some very bad High price performances. Performance is not a price thing Its a individual girl thing. Besides If I am unfortunate to have picked a Bad Performance girl from the street, Gogo bar, massage parlor, or a escort agent. I am a bit less upset about it if I didn't pay to much.

Truer words have rarely been spoken always easier to tip UP than fight down for a shit show!

PP.

[Franciscass]

1) Girls are leaving town in their thousands.

2) Soi 7/1 best place to find some action and a beer.

3) Most dangerous place on the planet is an immigration office.

[CzarNicholas]

You may be on a tight budget but with respect, doesn't it just bother you a little bit that you take advantage of their circumstances. Using that value system some unfortunate wench who hasn't eaten for 3 days should be happy to blow you for a bowl of noodles. I agree what's appropriate varies on circumstances and who and where you venture but why not pay the going rate and not make the girl feel like sad she has to fuck for so little because she needs the money so badly. And please and I am not suggesting you do but please don't use the ridiculous argument about minimum wage I. E. Because she is a poor farm girl from Essan she should be happy to fuck for 8 hours 4 hours whatever for 500 baht because its 200 baht above the minimum wage.

Please don't use the ridiculous argument about minimum wage.

You can't take the most reasonable reference point reasonable people could use and dismiss it as ridiculous.

I will posit that hooking is a much easier "job" than say standing on ones feet as a mall clerk or fast food or being a maid cleaning shitty toilets all day, changing jizz soaked sheets etc.

Why else do so many attractive girls around the world suck dick? Most will tell you "EAZY money" they are lazy and it is easy, I won't dare call it work.

I think hookers should make much less than other low skill occupations, not more.

There are many countries where illiterate girls are making more than many physicians or dds or attorneys.

[Franciscass]

I never monger the Thermae anymore. I know I am not going to get anything below 2000 there. The girls have been over priced there for 15 yrs at least. I offer the price of the shop I am shopping in. My 1000 offer goes to the Nana sign and the odd Soi side of suk street girls and I get at least a 75% turn down rate. BUT its ok I am not bothered by a rejection. Eventually I find a doable girl that will take the offer. I only offer to girls that fit my looks preference also. I see some oldies and uglies out there that I am sure would take my 1000 offer, BUT I don't stop for them. When you are talking Force I am saying I personally am not forcing a girl to take my offer. IF she is forced by another (her Pimp) to take only a set amount that's not on me. She simply turns me down and I move on pretty easy.

I get it Streetlooker, you have your price and where you monger its available at that price, no issues, good luck and stay safe.

[Catire]

And so it begins.

[Streetlooker]

Sorry Streetwalker I must have picked you up wrong. I thought your modus operandi was to offer a 1000 and stick to it. It's true pussy can be had for a 1000 more likely in Pattaya than Bangkok but I thought you were talking about Thermae where the going rate for short time is 2500 maybe 2000 and even possible on occasion as low as 1500 but 1000, market value it is not!

Also may I say I find your argument nobody is forcing them to do anything they don't want to do somewhat specious, why? Because it doesn't take into account whether there is choice or not I. E. Take what's on offer or go without. I know that sounds a tad OTP but sometimes Streetwalker that's exactly how it is and whether it's our fault they are poor is not the point. I'm not talking overpaying or an NGO attitude just a good man with a good heart paying what is a fair price.

I never monger the Thermae anymore. I know I am not going to get anything below 2000 there. The girls have been over priced there for 15 yrs at least. I offer the price of the shop I am shopping in. My 1000 offer goes to the Nana sign and the odd Soi side of suk street girls and I get at least a 75% turn down rate. BUT its ok I am not bothered by a rejection. Eventually I find a doable girl that will take the offer. I only offer to girls that fit my looks preference also. I see some oldies and uglies out there that I am sure would take my 1000 offer, BUT I don't stop for them. When you are talking Force I am saying I personally am not forcing a girl to take my offer. IF she is forced by another (her Pimp) to take only a set amount that's not on me. She simply turns me down and I move on pretty easy.

[EihTooms]

The Soi Cowboy, Sukhumvit, Nana Plaza areas were practically desolate last night after 11pm. There was a tiny sprinkling of small bars open here and there, none of the usual big names mentioned on these threads, apparently still open on the premise that they serve food too or, more to the point I suppose, are not packed tight with customers.

At that hour I only saw a few street girls, none if whom struck me as above a 6 in terms of looks, although it was difficult to know for sure with the streets as dark as they were.

It was creepy enough walking around my usual route with so little activity going on. I am sure it will be even creepier after a few more days of NO INCOME in the pockets of the rare bad guys these kind if tourist areas can attract even during good times, if you get my drift.

I was only out then because I had walked my latest regular non P4P girlfriend to bts Nana to bid farewell after a day and evening together. I would not consider sending a girl on her way alone on these streets at night these days, carrying a purse, obviously having left a hotel or apartment complex after a profitable "date" with a tourist or expat unless she was a hardened, experienced, street smart pro. And even then I would be inclined to at least make sure she gets into an auto taxi or onto a motorbike taxi safely enough.

In this case, my girl was a just turned 22 year old cutie who works as a professional model I met and began dating over a month ago. Looks young enough to get a lot of "Junior Miss" type fashion gigs, one of which she insisted I come along to watch yesterday. Comes from an upper middle class Thai family. Mom and Dad bought her a condo in the Phra Kanong area and she is not yet comfortable to go missing from there when Mom calls after midnight to check on how she's doing. Hense, the 11pm return to her place instead of sleeping over at mine.

She doesn't need the money but I still give her a token 500 - 1000 baht "for travel" to and from my apartment after we shatter the Social Distance virus transmission prevention recommendations having Real Sex because I think that helps to keep them from assuming more non pay-related emotional commitment than I am interested in juggling and dealing with for now.

[HorseTrader]

As I understand it, the barrier to entry into Thailand is:

1. need health certificate within 72 hours of flight departure that you are clear of Covid19.

2. need medical insurance to cover covid19 and $100 k usd medical coverage.

3. mandatory quarantine for 2 weeks at novitel.

Is anyone still planning on traveling there once these go into effect, especially with everything being dead right now?

Yep, that seems about right. Here are the rules per the Thai embassy. Not easy. I have no temptation to consider another trip until many things change.

https://thaiembdc.org/wp-content/upl..._CAAT_EN-2.pdf

[ThomKatt]

As I understand it, the barrier to entry into Thailand is:

1. need health certificate within 72 hours of flight departure that you are clear of Covid19.

2. need medical insurance to cover covid19 and $100 k usd medical coverage.

3. mandatory quarantine for 2 weeks at novitel.

Is anyone still planning on traveling there once these go into effect, especially with everything being dead right now?

[Sammon]

Looks like the same as in 2009 when protesters blocked the airport for many weeks. On that time they also didn't give adjusted prices, not in hotel industry and not in the entertainment.

There will be stiff competition once things get normal. To fill up plane airlines will reduce fares and hotels will do the same to fill rooms. Till then they need to make money to function from existing customers.

[Hard Guy]

Has anyone had issue with visa on arrival / evisa after you landed in Thailand?

Reason for asking is because I had an issue a week before. Right on the day of my travel visa on arrival had been stopped.

We raised priority e-visa from Thai embassy and was given. Airline checked and confirmed good for travel.

After we reached Bangkok, we were told visa on arrival including evisa is stopped. We were detailed and were sent back on next flight back home.

We were treated pretty bad with people who didn't even understand basic English.

Has anyone had any luck in getting any kind of refund from airline or embassy or anyone in similar situation?

We had both to and fro ticket which was adjusted for our travel back.

Any help is appreciated. Thanks.

[Nazgylg15]

In Pat there's still some action. Many girls have chosen not to go back home. Some bars still "half open" in typical Thai fashion.

What gets on my nerves is hotels on islands not giving discounts, at least not on the booking platforms. Hotels on Islands like Ko Chang and Ko Mak are priced the same as usual for this time of the year. How is that possible with no more flights coming in?

The hotel I'm staying in in Pattaya is three quarters empty. Yet when I show them the Agoda price in a bid to pay cash and avoid the credit card + Agoda fee they say no and quote me a walk-in rate 25% higher. I dont get it.

And offering discounts at this moment wouldn't result in rush of customers because no one is travelling. Most of the countries have banned international flights. I wouldn't be surprised if they implement domestic lockdown. Whats the use of offering a discount when no one would come? Its better for them to shut shop rather than have very few customers. When things limp back to normalcy, we might see some discounted prices for airlines / hotels and keep the fingers crossed for discounted WG prices: 0. Just my two cents.

[Nazgylg15]

In Pat there's still some action. Many girls have chosen not to go back home. Some bars still "half open" in typical Thai fashion.

What gets on my nerves is hotels on islands not giving discounts, at least not on the booking platforms. Hotels on Islands like Ko Chang and Ko Mak are priced the same as usual for this time of the year. How is that possible with no more flights coming in?

The hotel I'm staying in in Pattaya is three quarters empty. Yet when I show them the Agoda price in a bid to pay cash and avoid the credit card + Agoda fee they say no and quote me a walk-in rate 25% higher. I dont get it.

Its a question of who is desperate. If the customer is desperate for a holiday in these extraordinary situation, he needs to pay more. Both the girls and hotel may think, if they serve you in this crisis when others have shut shop, they might need extra remuneration. They run the risks. But on other hand, if the hotel / girl is in financial crisis and is extremely desperate, then we can see reducing in fee in normal / extraordinary situation. I see a lot of posts assuming the WG's are desperate and hence there would be price reduction. But till now I see only disappointment in most posts.

[RioHeart]

Shit just got real here!

https://covidtracker.5lab.co/en