Bangkok Reports

[Syzygies]

So, there's a purpose to negative comments, and a more important one than describing one more venue or girl for the 1000th time. And virtually ALL Thailand venues have been discussed to death here. Frankly, I haven't discovered a new amazing venue worth visiting from field reports here in a long time.

It would be nice to get some new valuable intel on new venues or new girls in same old venues, or old girl in new venue. That is probably the only thing of major value in the forum other than for the newbies. Also warnings about strange pricing and policies at certain venues. Warnings about "Coyote" girls and LBs.

Yes sadly, I have not gained any regular girls at all, based on reports of others. Cannot think of even one. I probably did try the odd venue based on reports of others like first visits to Tulip, Snow White, Addict, 102, etc. The big problem is we all have different requirements. In the end, we have to go find girls for ourselves.

I did find the forum slightly useful when it reported the new location one of my old favourite girls had emerged at. That type of intel is worthwhile. I did retry the odd bar in Nana based on reports of others, however always make my own assessment. Some bars others thought great, I thought were horrible. Just different taste. I especially did not like bars full of silicone coconuts.

[EihTooms]

In all my years of mongering, I never saw a case where throwing more money at the same working girl (above her going rate) made the service better. As long as you're not severely underpaying or have a terrible attitude, girls who are typically nice and friendly will try to be nice and provide the GFE they typically do. Those with poor attitudes who are customarily being bitchy and delivering the bare minimum will only give you token crumbs of better service even if you pay them double. You can pay extra for her to hold your dick in her mouth longer, but not to give you a good BJ. And this is even more true with GFE. Even this small positive correlation is in doubt, since offering more than necessary signals to the girl that you're a push-over, and hookers are good at reading these signs and push you over they will.

Sometimes, if you're throwing money around like there's no tomorrow (3 or 5 times the going rate), they'll try to keep it going, but it's usually just a notch better rather than genuinely great.

I guess this is where the highly subjective definition of "GFE" comes into play again. I don't know exactly what Klassic meant by his term "extreme GFE". But if it is anything like my oft-used term "Real GFE", then we are talking about the BBFS kind of GFE or, in some cases BBBJ+CIM, perhaps even with a Swallow finish. Offering to pay more money to the same working girl above her going rate IF she will deliver those services can go a long way to making those things happen for me when otherwise my experience with the girl tells me it wouldn't. True, that doesn't mean throwing the extra money at her will improve the girl's attitude, cause her to become nicer, friendlier and so on as the term "GFE" is often used by others.

As someone who will not experience a finish wearing a condom no matter how nice and friendly the girl is and won't agree to pay money to cum outside a woman's body (as in with a HJ, COB, whatever), I love it when the subject of that kind of Real GFE is raised during a brief negotiation and her reply is simply, "How much you pay me?", knowing full well she is merely looking to be paid an extra amount above her usual going rate to make that kind of GFE happen for me. We're generally not talking about huge multiples more money here. Usually, just an additional 500-1000 baht will be plenty extra, even with go-go girls. For those who will do it at all, that is.

This might be a good place to mention that the term "negotiation" conjures up images of some cold-eyed stand-off between tough characters in an International Summit Meeting or barking prices and services back and forth like in an auction house. But that isn't even remotely what I am talking about with regard to a "negotiation" on services with a P4P girl. This is, after all, about sex and intimacy. There are ways of doing it calmly, respectfully, with a cute, fun, casual attitude that makes it more inviting for the girl to say yes instead of no in the first place. Keep that in mind when you are essentially "asking" the girl to be more intimate with you in bed than she might otherwise be with customers, which is really what the negotiation on P4P services is all about.

[JesseJames]

The sex is gone boys!

Maybe for you and the way you do things. For me. It's great.

[JesseJames]

The sex is gone boys!

Maybe for you, your techniques and way of doing things. For me, it's a beautiful thing.

[Haven123]

Yep, a big down side to Thermae is not knowing what is under those clothes.

A couple of summers ago, my buddy Banana Boi hooked me up with a friend of one of his Thermae regulars. This girl is a knockout with her clothes on and usually only goes with Asians. The Japanese guys snap her up minutes after the place opens.

Unfortunately the poor little thing has some of the worst baby damage I have ever seen. As pretty as her face is it did not make we want to repeat.

You in Patts already? Your mailbox is full Uncle.

[Sunlover2]

Sometimes, if you're throwing money around like there's no tomorrow (3 or 5 times the going rate), they'll try to keep it going, but it's usually just a notch better rather than genuinely great.

Actually they consider punters who throw around money like that chumps who do not know the local prices. It can also be seen as showing off and / or a negative judgement (causing loss of face) on their everyday business practice.

SL.

[Smoothy]

You used to be able to get amazing pussy in Buenos Aires 10 years ago for 50 bucks for a couple hours but now it's 150-200 for an hour in the clubs.

That sucks. I'm going to BA in a couple of months. Very sad to hear that.

[Smoothy]

In all my years of mongering, I never saw a case where throwing more money at the same working girl (above her going rate) made the service better.

I think it depends on the circumstances and the girls perception of the going rate for the service they are providing relative to the price you are paying. It doesn't work with go-go or massage girls since those are basically pretty much set rate places and the girls are hard core anyway. For some reason, these girls don't appreciate getting more money than the going rate. I am guessing it happens to them often so they are spoiled. (It also does not work for girls pulled from Thermae either, they are hard core like the go-go girls.) If you go to a cheap place for 1000 baht, it won't likely be any better or worse service than a more expensive place for 5000 baht. The difference for that will likely be the girl will have whiter skin at the place for 5000 baht.

However, I think it's a different case when it comes to free lance girls from discos. I actually did some research on this with some buddies with free lancers where we take some girls for normal market price and others for more than market price. We found that if we make it clear that we know the normal market rate, but promise a free lance girl more than the normal market rate provided she really makes us happy, we get off the charts service almost without fail. I can't say our sample size was huge because we didn't want to overpay often, but in the times we did do it, that was the finding for all of us.

[RacShack]

Good question. For Thailand expats or experienced mongers, exchanging negative observations matters. It provides closure, and reassurance that it's not me going sour while the scene remained more or less the same, but that changes really are significant. Then, after adjusting expectations and accepting the scene changed, maybe some of us will still be able have a few last gasps of fun. If any of us old timers goes in expecting to find the scene as it used to be (there are optimists among us), they're in for a very bad time.

So, there's a purpose to negative comments, and a more important one than describing one more venue or girl for the 1000th time. And virtually ALL Thailand venues have been discussed to death here. Frankly, I haven't discovered a new amazing venue worth visiting from field reports here in a long time.wow weather who wins if it good or not ,, it's not good , 5 days here nothing worth talking about , and pocket full of money ,,, 3 different times bill padded (in between meeeting the girl of m dreams ) just rag bars up and down soi 4 ,, "the sex is gone boys ,", my only delima is I planed on 7 weeks here ,,, I'm looking to get out soon !!! Really really bad guys ,please pm me if any ideas where to go , have to be back here feb 5 to catch flight !! Total disappointment,, and I've really tried to go with the flow ( even considered nor saying nothing having bill padded but just can't bring myself to that )) met more then one person bragging about Their a reg at mixx and Russians will go with them for 5,000 b.

I understand this is all irrelevant to a relative newbie or a casual tourist, but they're not the only audience here.

The sex is gone boys!

[Crocodilexp]

The point is though what do you really hope to achieve by complaining about how bad things are now compared to the past?

Good question. For Thailand expats or experienced mongers, exchanging negative observations matters. It provides closure, and reassurance that it's not me going sour while the scene remained more or less the same, but that changes really are significant. Then, after adjusting expectations and accepting the scene changed, maybe some of us will still be able have a few last gasps of fun. If any of us old timers goes in expecting to find the scene as it used to be (there are optimists among us), they're in for a very bad time.

So, there's a purpose to negative comments, and a more important one than describing one more venue or girl for the 1000th time. And virtually ALL Thailand venues have been discussed to death here. Frankly, I haven't discovered a new amazing venue worth visiting from field reports here in a long time.

I understand this is all irrelevant to a relative newbie or a casual tourist, but they're not the only audience here.

[Crocodilexp]

you want extreme GFE? Throw some money at them

In all my years of mongering, I never saw a case where throwing more money at the same working girl (above her going rate) made the service better. As long as you're not severely underpaying or have a terrible attitude, girls who are typically nice and friendly will try to be nice and provide the GFE they typically do. Those with poor attitudes who are customarily being bitchy and delivering the bare minimum will only give you token crumbs of better service even if you pay them double. You can pay extra for her to hold your dick in her mouth longer, but not to give you a good BJ. And this is even more true with GFE. Even this small positive correlation is in doubt, since offering more than necessary signals to the girl that you're a push-over, and hookers are good at reading these signs and push you over they will.

Sometimes, if you're throwing money around like there's no tomorrow (3 or 5 times the going rate), they'll try to keep it going, but it's usually just a notch better rather than genuinely great.

[Franciscass]

Well, change would be nice to embrace, if some of it were for the better. When it comes to P4 P in Asia, the change is not positive. So I ask you, what is there to embrace? Yes, still like the food, Yes, the health care is still good, although the for profit model is starting to get out of hand. I still prefer it to the US, but it is in no ways fun and a do whatever you want but don't hurt anyone and don't do drugs place like it used to be. Please, name one aspect of the P4 P scene here that is better than it was 10 years ago or anything that is to our advantage now. I certainly can't think of one. There are fewer gals, higher prices, less service, et al. For those who have the time, the patience, and don't have a GF, online is an option. But again, that requires a lot of effort.

Your first point is the problem. Asian punters expect less, and so everyone gets less. Nice for everyone, eh? And it's not just Thailand. It's all over Asia.

Agree with everything you say G, my point is it is what it is and we need to adapt and make the best of it and yes although it's nowhere as good as what it used to be for me anyway it's still way more than OK. If you think about it it's akin to the half empty half full glass metaphor.

[JayFung]

And I'd say for the most part that is due to fewer working gals and more Asian tourist punters.

Let's be honest. Thailand and most of Asia was exploited by the West, one way or another, because of a disparity in military and economic power. Now that Asians themselves have enough wealth to prop up their own economy, isn't it a little hypocritical to complain about the fact that Westerners can't exploit them as much as before?

[LA Guy 5]

The price of pussy is going up worldwide. Mostly it's due to the "time is more important than money" tourists. They keep pushing the price 10% or so every six months and when you mention something they all say the same things. "That's what you have to pay" or "I'm here on vacation, I don't want to spend any time bargaining" or whatever but that's what it is. It's happening in Europe, it's happening all over south america and now it looks like it's happening here in Thailand. Seriously, you can see this same discussion happening on pretty much every popular country on the forum. You used to be able to get amazing pussy in Buenos Aires 10 years ago for 50 bucks for a couple hours but now it's 150-200 for an hour in the clubs.

I can't speak for Thailand, next month will be my first time there but this conversation looks familiar.

I don't think Goatscrot's and others' (including my own) gripe is primarily with price, it is with service and looks. In fact, over the course of the last fifteen years the price in Thai baht for a PSE oil massage has remained constant other than the fact a few, not the majority, of venues now charge a bit extra for A+, as it is known. But service is not what it used to be, and there are a lot more overweight girls with significant baby damage working in those places than before.

The prices have gone up at go-gos but probably not by more than normal inflation except for long-time (overnight) sessions, which seem to be out of favor whereas were easy to get some years ago. But attitudes, not just about money, have changed among many of the girls and looks have gone down aided by a lot of bad plastic surgery which it seems is now much more common.

Jakarta doesn't seem to have the same problem with service and the attractiveness of working girls, but it has another, namely the political winds are going in a bad direction (motivated largely by an increase in Muslim fundamentalism's political power). There have also been increases in pricing at those places that cater to expats or the higher-end crowd. But there are still plenty of places where you can find pretty, service-oriented girls, at a good price. Hopefully these places will still be around and not closed by politically motivated police crackdowns.

Although there clearly have been adverse trends in the hobby globally, there are differences between situations in the different countries, sometimes marked. Good luck in Thailand; it (including the scene there) is much different than Buenos Aires.

[Goatscrot]

I think in many ways it has become more apparent that the things you long for from the past on this board (note the irony there, btw...) and are lamenting the loss of as potential posts of distinction, i.e. "useful advice that can actually be acted on is provided, such as the name of a place, a girl, a price and the standard of service", do not really tell anyone else what they would likely get in that same place, with that same girl, purchasing the same service and so on. Probably due to the much more transient nature, moodiness, wild inconsistency and unpredictability of the providers, management, etc. these days. Sure, it might paint a rosy picture of what that particular guy fell into during that particular hour. But the chance if it really predicting much of anything for the next guy and the one after that is practically nil.

And I'd say for the most part that is due to fewer working gals and more Asian tourist punters.