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Originally Posted by Dornyone
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Indeed, I too run the gauntlet of these hard sales pitch girls. I went back yesterday after getting my groceries as there was one that caught my eye."350 for full body Thai massage"
Not interested in having some 3rd rate canola rubbed on my skin thankee so we head back into the bowels of this dump to a cubicle. 3/4 of the way through a lackluster job, the light touching and giggling begins as expected. She asked for 2000 Baht but setled for 1500 incc the original Thai massage. The arrival of a loud gringo (yank) in the next cubicle, boasting about the "8 liters of beer" he had just drank put a damper on the mood and stopped yours truly from reaching his happy place within the allotted time. Be clear with these upsell gals that the 1 hr massage
Is not the drop dead limit for the pop.
On a side note, I note that there's an increasing contingent of Africans congregating in the alley adjacent the Villa market. Selling drugs or pimping?
Time will tell.
Nigerians and yes drugs including heroin, pimping, and other times all kinds of phone cons including a few months back caught using counterfeit baht notes to fool their targets. Most Nigerians in Bangkok of course are not criminals including legit gemstone dealers. With Hyde Sukumvit (and the Hyatt) on the way on Soi 13, the criminal types may need to find new locales.
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Originally Posted by Western787
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Same at Soil 11 in regard to massage shops.
Entering from Soi 11 (the only entrance in fact) into Villa Market, then leaving the store via the regular exit, you will usually be accosted by dozens of massage girls, some very sleazy, but some quite cute, since the (mandatory and only) exit requires you to run past either 6 plus shops east bound (toward Soil 13) OR the normal way, back to Soi 11 and 6 more shops west bound. Minus a couple of LB's I think in total approx 50 to 60 girls work just in those very small shops, and they get to give their best sales pitch to every Farang that happens to shop at Villa Market.
There is no escape and they all know you probably just overpaid at Villa for your favorite Farang food and therefore have cash.
As for HIllary Clubs, Hillary 3 and Hillary 1 in Nana are fantastic. Other two clubs OK too.
Indeed, I too run the gauntlet of these hard sales pitch girls. I went back yesterday after getting my groceries as there was one that caught my eye."350 for full body Thai massage"
Not interested in having some 3rd rate canola rubbed on my skin thankee so we head back into the bowels of this dump to a cubicle. 3/4 of the way through a lackluster job, the light touching and giggling begins as expected. She asked for 2000 Baht but setled for 1500 incc the original Thai massage. The arrival of a loud gringo (yank) in the next cubicle, boasting about the "8 liters of beer" he had just drank put a damper on the mood and stopped yours truly from reaching his happy place within the allotted time. Be clear with these upsell gals that the 1 hr massage
Is not the drop dead limit for the pop.
On a side note, I note that there's an increasing contingent of Africans congregating in the alley adjacent the Villa market. Selling drugs or pimping?
Time will tell.
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Originally Posted by Western787
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Yes, you are absolutely correct, and exactly why (largely) capitalist economic systems by unleashing the innate abilities, creativity, and entrepreneurial spirit of the people. Despite the imperfectionsof such systems, will win over economic systems that punish success, treat people like infants, and create ever increasing government dependencies like pre 1980's Communist-socialism in China, and now Obama-socialism in the USA.
As you said, apparently when the flood crisis hit, many bar girls find other employment and never returned. Necessity, the opposite of government dependency, is the mother of invention one might say.
There is article today in The Nation titled "Teflon Thailand". In fact, the country ability to recover quickly is well know to analysts and many Thais are proud of it.
BTW, if you could resize a little your continous eulogy of capitalism here, or move it to a more appropriate place.
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Originally Posted by Goatscrot
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Thailand seems to not roll over and die, but come back stronger each time.
Yes, you are absolutely correct, and exactly why (largely) capitalist economic systems by unleashing the innate abilities, creativity, and entrepreneurial spirit of the people. despite the imperfectionsof such systems, will win over economic systems that punish success, treat people like infants, and create ever increasing government dependencies like pre 1980's Communist-socialism in China, and now Obama-socialism in the USA.
As you said, apparently when the flood crisis hit, many bar girls found other employment and never returned. Necessity, the opposite of government dependency, is the mother of invention one might say.
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Oh Ok, he WAS married then and many other times inferred he cannot, or will not, or doesn't care to participate in the usual bar activities available in Bangkok.
JAN 26, 2014 COLUMN
Sticking It Out.
In April 2005 I first thought about leaving Thailand. Mrs. Stick had headed back to Bangkok and I extended my stay at home by a week. I was sitting outside on one of those perfect Auckland days when there's nowhere else you'd rather be. The cloudless sky was a deep vivid blue you never see in Bangkok and breathing in the fresh morning air was like a hit of pure oxygen. Sipping my morning coffee, the opportunity cost of living in Bangkok was staring me in the face.
http://www.stickmanbangkok.com/Stick...n-Thailand.htm
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Originally Posted by Western787
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Ok lets assume Bangkok monger wise has been going downhill for a long time, and in fact few dispute that, but one has to also admit it also started at the top of a very high hill. Second, look around the world, practically every monger destination is getting hit either by the ballbusters and / or NGO's along with their hype up "trafficking' claims" pressuring govt and LE / or just huge price increases. Just a few examples 1. Southern China. Donnguuan now a huge LE crackdown 2. Sosua, Dominican Republic, crackdowns combined with business interests who prefer cruise ship tourists over mongers. 3. Angeles City. Hard core 3rd world, and aside from various crackdowns, top end girls in venues like Club Atlantis now don't even want to deal with Farangs anymore, preferring Koreans and Japanese. 4. Notable prices and living cost increases in a number of areas. Brazil a few years back and now Burma, which also has the NGO's all over the place. 5. Macau still OK but is always expensive, with, air quality so bad it makes Bangkok look pristine, and not practical given high living costs to either live there or make frequent visits 6. Cambodia has potential over time but infrastructure still poor and prices no longer rock bottom.
Looking around the globe, the trend is not that good.
The point is in that larger context Beergarden in relative terms is still a pretty good place.
It is true, its hard to find hotties unless you hit it the right time, and that can take a lot of visits, and its not like NPL which is free to walk by, so you got to buy a drink each time you visit.
I will take your word for it, but what do you see as the connection between The Floods and Beergarden (among other places) going further down hill?
One of the things I find most amazing about Thailand is its resiliency. With each and every set back, SARS, the tsunami, the Songkhran Riots, the Yellows taking the airport, the Reds the center of the city, the floods, an open rebellion in the South, world economic turmoil in 08, and now the PDRC, Thailand seems to not roll over and die, but come back stronger each time.
One would think that each one of the events would increase the number of gal in the "scene," but in fact numbers and quality have dropped after each event. Of course it is not really the event but the general development of the country.
The flood however was interesting. Many of the gals stopped coming to work FL as they could not get to central BKK. The BG was very sparse during those couple of months. Many of the gals just never returned, perhaps finding other employment.
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Lot of misinformation out there about Stick.
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Originally Posted by Marky1
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Stickman hopes to see the bar industry die since he can no longer participate in it. He can barely hide his glee whenever something negative happens in the industry.
I actually know him and have for over a decade. What you stated is not true.
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Originally Posted by Allover
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Why can't Stickman participate in the bar industry? Did something happen? I don't know much about him but I enjoy reading his column. I don't get too worked up about his opinions. It's just one man's point of view.
I personally think its a fantastic column.
His column overall is excellent (way better than the reader submissions for example) but he has to 1. Support his advertisers and therefore twist stories a bit sometimes (sort of like "poetic license" for writers).2. Plus he is married so he can't barfine, stare at Go Go dancers each evening, hang at Nana Parking Lot, drop by sleazy massage parlours, shoot pool for hours with hookers, check out Soapy inventories, you know things many Farangs just do in an average day
And his column being very lengthy means just the sheer volume of topics, discussions, and comments, means he's going to say some things that people notice are not technically correct. For example recently stating flat out the G clubs girls "go" (OTC). Its more nuanced and he knows that but I guess he can't hedge everything.
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Stickman and the bar industry
Originally Posted by Marky1
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Stickman hopes to see the bar industry die since he can no longer participate in it. He can barely hide his glee whenever something negative happens in the industry.
Why can't Stickman participate in the bar industry? Did something happen? I don't know much about him but I enjoy reading his column. I don't get too worked up about his opinions. It's just one man's point of view.
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Originally Posted by Syzygies
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I have been there several times over the years and was completely underwhelmed by the looks of the girls.
Several times? What like 3 or 4 times "over the years"? No wonder you've run across few if any attractive girls.
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Originally Posted by Syzygies
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You need to know the right times to find a better looker or have patience to hang around.
I have been there several times over the years and was completely underwhelmed by the looks of the girls. Perhaps there may have been the odd one I would consider but those were usually already sitting with some guy, and I don't have the patience to wait and not interested to chat to others that are there.
Suits those guys less fussy about the looks and looking more to the service and price, and who enjoy the social situation, or guys that go in groups.
I've been many times and as always, had a variety of experiences. There are the hardened girls, the party girls, the regular girls who are there every day, and then some girls that happily sit alone and they have been my best.
Usually from out of BKK looking either for a good night or to make some extra money.
For sure there are, and never will be Miss Worlds there (especially as some of the guys look like human detritus) , but there are good times to be had, more so than sexy times.
One girl I once talked to, late 20s early 30s and left with, was happy that I fed her, had drinks with her and provided her with a nice cool bed. She wouldn't take any money. Nice experiences can be found there, if you are happy and relaxed. If in a hurry to get laid with a superstar, its not going to happen.
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Originally Posted by Western787
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The point is in that larger context Beergarden in relative terms is still a pretty good place.
It is true, its hard to find hotties unless you hit it the right time, and that can take a lot of visits, and its not like NPL which is free to walk by, so you got to buy a drink each time you visit.
You need to know the right times to find a better looker or have patience to hang around.
I have been there several times over the years and was completely underwhelmed by the looks of the girls. Perhaps there may have been the odd one I would consider but those were usually already sitting with some guy, and I don't have the patience to wait and not interested to chat to others that are there.
Suits those guys less fussy about the looks and looking more to the service and price, and who enjoy the social situation, or guys that go in groups.
I could understand would be better for guys that are regulars there and already know some of the better girls.
At Suzie Wong bar I am known by several girls and they will obviously come to me when available. It costs me to buy them drinks but I don't care. Having 2 or 3 semi naked girls to play with is good for me and usually take at lest 2 girls to a room for further sex play. I can understand that BG would be cheaper but I struggle to find appealing girls there and I much prefer to see their asses naked first.
So I think in the end the choice of venues comes down to individual priorities and likes, and what style you are used to.
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Originally Posted by Goatscrot
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I would agree with Stick on this one, and it is not only the old hags; it is the old alcoholics that hang out there that add to the horror. I have been hitting the BG for over 14 years. It used to be fantastic, but has been going downhill for years. The steepest decline came after the floods. Even my friends who were hardcore BG guys rarely find decent gals in there anymore. Granted, every once in awhile an ok looking gal walks in, but lookers don't become regulars there. But it requires lots of time waiting for that one.
Ok lets assume Bangkok monger wise has been going downhill for a long time, and in fact few dispute that, but one has to also admit it also started at the top of a very high hill. Second, look around the world, practically every monger destination is getting hit either by the ballbusters and/or NGO's along with their hype up "trafficking' claims" pressuring govt and LE / or just huge price increases. Just a few examples 1. southern China. Donnguuan now a huge LE crackdown 2. Sosua, Dominican Republic, crackdowns combined with business interests who prefer cruise ship tourists over mongers. 3. Angeles City. hard core 3rd world, and aside from various crackdowns, top end girls in venues like Club Atlantis now don't even want to deal with Farangs anymore, preferring Koreans and Japanese. 4. Notable prices and living cost increases in a number of areas. Brazil a few years back and now Burma, which also has the NGO's all over the place. 5. Macau still OK but is always expensive, with, air quality so bad it makes Bangkok look pristine, and not practical given high living costs to either live there or make frequent visits 6. Cambodia has potential over time but infrastructure still poor and prices no longer rock bottom..
Looking around the globe, the trend is not that good.
The point is in that larger context Beergarden in relative terms is still a pretty good place.
It is true, its hard to find hotties unless you hit it the right time, and that can take a lot of visits, and its not like NPL which is free to walk by, so you got to buy a drink each time you visit..
I will take your word for it, but what do you see as the connection between The Floods and Beergarden (among other places) going further down hill?
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Originally Posted by Hiihii
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I wish some of these girls were cute! I think due to looks these wimmin are targeting arabs, pakis and indians.
If one doesn't at least occasionally get attacked by a genuine cutie after for example exiting Villa Market on Soi 11, then they are doing something wrong. Maybe they hide in the shops with some guys? Not sure.
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