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[EihTooms]

I emailed it to my physician which is an HIV expert, and he said this was written as a guide for local politicians, not for mongers LMAO.

Which did he think was written as a guide for local politicians? The CDC numbers for Covid-19, the CDC numbers for the statistical risk for HIV transmission through sex, or my post about them on this site? 😁.

[CzarNicholas]

Some comforting numbers in there. If they hold up against more testing and case studies going forward.

I just wish I could show my newly met Thai P4P girls the CDC numbers on the high improbability of them acquiring HIV via uncovered Oral Sex or uncovered Vaginal Sex from any man they are likely to meet on the job, much less the near impossibility of acquiring it from a fairly easy to determine heterosexual and non needle-sharing man with a current Negative HIV blood check document to show them and count on that to quickly eliminate their still stated fears about it enough to happily say Yes to both with no further discussion on the topic. 40+ years into it.

I emailed it to my physician which is an HIV expert, and he said this was written as a guide for local politicians, not for mongers LMAO.

[Turgid]

..................I would bet very few people gave the Spanish Flu a moment's thought in 1958, 40 years after it killed millions and faded away. But not so with HIV. ............

Interesting that you mentioned the year 1958; at that time the whole world might have been thinking of the Spanish flu as that was the year of the Asian flu that killed 1 million people. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1957%E...uenza_pandemic.

You speak of AIDS that has been with us for 40 years but what about the small pox virus that afflicted the world for 3000 years? Lets hope that covid 19 is not here for such a length of time but is here for the same period as other similar viruses of the influenza variety.

[EihTooms]

Do any of you guys know that the CDC just released new IFR numbers?

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...scenarios.html

I'll let you guys argue amongst yourselves regarding what they mean but I can see what those numbers say.

Covid will soon be a memory.

Some comforting numbers in there. If they hold up against more testing and case studies going forward.

I just wish I could show my newly met Thai P4P girls the CDC numbers on the high improbability of them acquiring HIV via uncovered Oral Sex or uncovered Vaginal Sex from any man they are likely to meet on the job, much less the near impossibility of acquiring it from a fairly easy to determine heterosexual and non needle-sharing man with a current Negative HIV blood check document to show them and count on that to quickly eliminate their still stated fears about it enough to happily say Yes to both with no further discussion on the topic. 40+ years into it.

[Admin2]

Do any of you guys know that the CDC just released new IFR numbers?

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...scenarios.html

I'll let you guys argue amongst yourselves regarding what they mean but I can see what those numbers say.

Covid will soon be a memory.

[EihTooms]

All viruses have a life span. The 1918 Spanish flu pandemic killed around 50 million people worldwide and lasted for around 18 months. All the flu pandemics after that lasted for a similar period. My intention was to spend 2021 in Thailand, I'm putting it back one year so its 2022 when I believe this pandemic will be just a memory and things will be as they were before.

Again, I hope these kind of assessments are correct. However, HIV has survived quite well for 40+ years with no indication that it is limping along on its last leg and ready to fade away on its own any minute now. It has been controlled by the use of drugs and tolerable adjustments in behavior, but not eradicated.

Luckily, HIV is not an airborne virus. One has to take unusual measures and line up a set of fairly special conditions to both get it and transmit it. Not so with Covid-19, which also only superficially behaves like the flu. We are still discovering longer term issues with having acquired it, long after the typical 2 week recovery period is over. And more potential problems for young people, even small children exposed to it than previously thought.

We did not have jumbo jet airliners in 1918. The ability for a dangerous airborne virus with a weeks long infectious incubation period where no symptoms are evident (unlike the flu virus) to move from country to country, continually recirculating and resurfacing in cluster groups of people who can then pass it on to the next group by simply talking or breathing next to them is different.

And that poses uniquely complicated problems for activities that rely on groups of global travelers crowding in a room on a nightly basis to shatter Social Distancing recommendations in every possible way short of getting naked and kissing and licking each other on the spot. Mostly.

And that very thing is the end game for such a business model anyway except members of the group usually pair off to do that in a nearby room that I am pretty sure won't be fully sanitized, sheets, towels, door knobs and all every 2 hours. And then one or both of those extreme Distance violators will be returning to the bar for more interacting and pairing off.

How will the lingering fears and worries about Covid-19 effect P4P and for how long even after it is somewhat under control? Well, if the HIV era is any example, it has been 40+ years, it is or should be very well known by now that non anal sex transmission is rare, made extremely rare if not virtually impossible if dealt with by easily available modern drugs. Yet 40+ years later not a week goes by where it is not mentioned or alluded to in some form or fashion in my mongering experience and where some activity or another is refused or nearly so from worry and concern about it.

And need we be reminded that condom or no condom has zero pertinence in this matter? I would bet very few people gave the Spanish Flu a moment's thought in 1958, 40 years after it killed millions and faded away. But not so with HIV.

This lockdown and all the hassles with checking for fevers, staying indoors, business closures, etc is unlike anything people today have experienced before, including when HIV first hit the scene. It is bound to be leaving a lasting impression on current and future sweet young things' minds.

[The Cane]

All viruses have a life span. The 1918 Spanish flu pandemic killed around 50 million people worldwide and lasted for around 18 months. All the flu pandemics after that lasted for a similar period. My intention was to spend 2021 in Thailand, I'm putting it back one year so its 2022 when I believe this pandemic will be just a memory and things will be as they were before.

I'm hoping that I can at least travel domestically from mid-2021 onward. I too am prepared to wait until 2022 for overseas travel. Seems like a long time, but for the first time in years, I wasn't planning to do any overseas travel in 2020 anyway. So, not too much disappointment here. This is a great time to "recalibrate" and set our financial houses in order for future trips.

[Turgid]

............I do not believe there ever will be a Post-Covid-19 phase. I believe the virus is here to stay for the long term............

All viruses have a life span. The 1918 Spanish flu pandemic killed around 50 million people worldwide and lasted for around 18 months. All the flu pandemics after that lasted for a similar period. My intention was to spend 2021 in Thailand, I'm putting it back one year so its 2022 when I believe this pandemic will be just a memory and things will be as they were before.

[EihTooms]

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I do not believe there ever will be a Post-Covid-19 phase. I believe the virus is here to stay for the long term. With the safety measures in place, it may be contained but most likely not eradicated considering the high number of asymptomatic cases. I believe the implementation of the social distancing rules will not make it viable for Nana Plaza to re-open in the near future. But that is just my opinion.

I hate to say it and I hope I am wrong, but I tend to agree with you about that. It seems like every new research discovery about how the virus is transmitted most easily and widely is another nail in the go-go bar and beer bar experience coffin. Shouting over loud music? Masks? Social Distancing? And with bars like the Hillary group on Soi 4 that featured live music and singers, it is very likely the reason a cluster of cases emerged from one or two of them is because of the singers in those often crowded bars. Turns out, similar to shouting, singing is a natural Super Spreader activity. There have been cases where 30 members of a church choir group would get Covid-19 from one member of their group who was a carrier.

So, let's say the go-go bars and beer bars will re-open with something akin to what we'd had before 3 months after the vaccine and/or quick fix "cure" has been disseminated and provided for virtually every human being on the planet and every new born is required to get inoculated as well. I'm beginning to think then and only then will the powers that be in Thailand feel comfortable about allowing every tourist in as before and allow people to come and go in those kind of venues as freely as before.

Do you guys have any idea how many years from now we're talking about? They can get to a point where enough tourists are allowed in to shop and buy in the various malls. As long as some strict rules regarding Social Distancing and masks are adhered to for that. But men from all over the world cruising in and out of go-go bars and beer bars, one after the other well into the night with 10 Leos or Singhas in their belly? Girls sitting on my lap one minute, another guy's lap the next and on and on for hours, shouting or even whispering in each other's face and getting drunker? Wow. There better be a worldwide miracle cure and vaccine available to everyone on the planet coming down the pike if that is going to happen any time soon. And I mean within the next decade.

Or I suppose they can merely shrug it off and accept the higher death rate of their grandmas and grandpas just so we can continue to share stories about the dud from Thermae we wasted 2,500 baht on last week. You know, when they allowed 12 girls in at a time, requiring them to stand a metre apart and we were allowed through the door one at a time every 1 minute to cruise around in a circle once and whisper the negotiations through a mask too far from the girl to be heard anyway.

Regarding the 7-11 sandwiches, I re-read the Thermae report. I mis-wrote. They were not 7-11 sandwiches. They were Subway sandwiches. The total bill was around 400 Baht for two persons. I do not think that is cheap as in 17.50 Baht. Even though they are hookers, I treat them as my guests. So I would never buy them 7-11 sandwiches.

LOL. Sorry, man. I was not referring to anything you wrote about getting sandwiches in 7-11. I don't even recall if I read that post. That was a reference to something I'd read in another thread. And only in a quote from a poster here who has had me on "Ignore" for years. It was a post about me that he had written. I guess he either still takes a peek at my posts despite having me on "Ignore" or, like me with him, the only thing he reads of mine is when someone else quotes me. Kind of silly. Oh, I can do a quick workaround to view any pics he's posted that others are referring to in their posts. But I really don't bother reading his posts other than looking at the pics that others are talking about OR when I can't avoid seeing something of his quoted by another poster.

I figure if he has me on "Ignore", it is because he doesn't want me to read or respond directly to his posts, so I have no problem honoring that wish. But if another member quotes something of his and comments on it, then that is a topic open for discussion even by those on someone's "Ignore" list.

[Gargano19]

Then after giving up on the girls, I visited almost every single gogo bar in LK Metro. There was very little pressure for lady's drinks and I was happy to buy one or two here and there. I realized this was more fun and less stressful than actually getting a girl. I did not like the Walking Street agogos. Almost everywhere it was "You barfine me! You lady drink me! You tip me!" The only place that was benign was Baccara.

Well you can just say "no". Everytime I have tried a new gogo where girls don't know me, and I buy drink for one girl, 2-3 just start to wander around me and ask for a drink. I just smile and say not today. No way some pushy bargirls going to stop me from having fun with the girl sitting next to me.

And this happens first time around usually with me, next time everyone mind their business, they know I am not gonna fall for their shit like some tourist. I think for stressful part for some is, that they start to think that girla are judging them. Well who gives a fuck. Next time if you get a chance to go in some gogo anywhere in Thailand, just enjoy the hell out and ignore anyone trying you to spend more than you want.

[Bam Boom Bam]

BananaBoi, you're probably right since that is the usual objection to taking go-go girls or the reason someone chooses to go the FL route instead. But I often read here that go-go girls are less service-oriented, less giving, are more difficult to get GFE with (True GFE or not) and so on. Maybe that was part of his reasoning as well.

For example, it has been posted that go-go girls are the least likely to agree to bb or give a BBBJ+CIM compared to other options. They are certainly presumed to give the least accomplished ones. And I think the idea is they are less likely to be agreeable to those things or do a good job of it because they are typically younger, in better shape, don't need to give so much for the money, in a hurry to get back to the bar and so on. But, I have to say none of that has been my experience with go-go girls vs FLs on the street, in Thermae, massage shop girls, whatever..

I actually have a different viewpoint albeit my very limited experience. I think BBBJ is more likely in a gogo or a beer bar. Both Pattaya girls gave me BBBJ. The Thermae girl did not. In fact, the second day in Bangkok, I returned to Thermae and talked to about half a dozen girls. (I realize it's not exact science.) They all said no to BBBJ. One said she will do CBJ. Then I left. I will never go to Thermae again. I might just go there for a beer and to observe the talent. But to me, many of them look extremely arrogant. But then again, I'm not so sure Thermae will re-open any time in the near future either. I guess it's no loss for the most of us here.

Then after giving up on the girls, I visited almost every single gogo bar in LK Metro. There was very little pressure for lady's drinks and I was happy to buy one or two here and there. I realized this was more fun and less stressful than actually getting a girl. I did not like the Walking Street agogos. Almost everywhere it was "You barfine me! You lady drink me! You tip me!" The only place that was benign was Baccara.

[Bam Boom Bam]

Excluding Thai bars which you did not attend, every single girl except maybe a handful I met in Thailand speaks English. Pretty low odds given I've likely spoken to 1000s and 1000s of girls. How in the world did you manage to get 3 Thai girls who needed to use Google translate? Do you have an accent and it's the girls who don't understand you? I've seen that happen before. I've only had to ever use Google translate with one single girl in Thailand and that's because she just turned of age and it was her first ever night working. Even now 5 years later working in various Walking Street gogo bars her English is awful so it's just her inability to learn English.

ET, I'm guessing he skipped Cowboy and Nana because he didn't want to pay barfines or buy lady drinks.

The other Pattaya girl spoke decent English. She worked at a gogo bar in LK Metro and her barfine was 1000 Baht. So it was 2 out 3 that needed Google translate. The menstruation Pattaya girl also involved a barfine at a beer bar also in LK Metro.

I do not have an accent, not a funny one, if that's what you mean. And there were plenty of those in the LK Metro area.

Somehow, I got the impression it's more freelancer oriented in Bangkok and more barfine oriented in Pattaya. But maybe I am mistaken.

[Danny Duck]

Well, I first went to Soi 4 to grab a freelancer. I talked to 3 or 4 of them. But none spoke English. The all pulled out their cellphones to use the translator. I only had 2 or 3 questions for them. I did not get any satisfactory answers. Then they started questioning me. It was taking forever with the translator. So I said screw it. Then I remembered people talking about Thermae. So I went there to have a look. It wasn't really my intention to grab a girl there. But it was much easier although the girl spoke very little English. And look how that turned out.

She was the only girl in Bangkok. I avoided Nana Plaza and Soi Cowboy altogether. After Bangkok, I went to Pattaya for a week. I only had two girls in Pattaya and then I gave up. Both were bad experiences. Maybe I'm not doing it right. But I don't see why it should be so difficult.

With one of the girls, I specifically asked her if she had menstruation. Of course, she did not understand. So we had to use the translator again. Her answer was no. Did she actually understand the question? And was the translation correct? I do not know. Half an hour later, we are having sex in the hotel. After a few thrusts, I can tell something is not right. It feels like my dick is drowning in a pool of grease. There is way too much lubrication. It can only mean one thing, blood. I know because it has happened once before elsewhere.

Newsflash.

1. Number 1.

2. C number 1.

I'm not talking about the Free immigration girls, bank tellers, office managers, etc that so many here get.

The kind that will make you breakfast.

The kind that don't care you are 70 and they are 30. It's just a number.

[Bam Boom Bam]

Why did you avoid Nana Plaza and Soi Cowboy altogether? Of all the places you mentioned (Soi 4 and Thermae in Bangkok, anywhere in Pattaya), Nana Plaza probably would have had the most easily agreeable, customer-oriented, English fluent, slim, young Thai girls who understand why they suit up in a bikini or less and clock in on the job every day. Those other places are going to be much more hit and miss, sprinkled with P4P-curious hobbyists, waste-of-time hustlers and, particularly in the case of Pattaya, girls used to dealing with many customers who rush to the 7-11 to scarf up those horrid pre-packaged sandwiches just before their expiration date in order to save 17.50 baht. So they are naturally used to providing less than mediocre service, probably not worth it at any price.

Of course, that was pre Covid-19. Post Covid-19, who knows what kind of options will be available in those places, if any.

I do not have a single absolute reason for avoiding Nana Plaza and Soi Cowboy. I did hear they are quite pushy once you are inside. Contrary to what many here believe, both Pattaya girls involved barfines and lady's drinks. I will provide more details if I get around to it. While at Soi 4, I did do a walk around on all floors at Nana Plaza. They would always slide the curtains for me to sample the action inside. Many had zero customers and some had maybe only two or three customers. So I did not feel comfortable going inside. I guess it didn't help that it was on a weekday. But had I been privy to the intel you provide regarding Nana, I probably would have dared to venture inside one or two of the establishments at the Plaza.

I do not believe there ever will be a Post-Covid-19 phase. I believe the virus is here to stay for the long term. With the safety measures in place, it may be contained but most likely not eradicated considering the high number of asymptomatic cases. I believe the implementation of the social distancing rules will not make it viable for Nana Plaza to re-open in the near future. But that is just my opinion.

Regarding the 7-11 sandwiches, I re-read the Thermae report. I mis-wrote. They were not 7-11 sandwiches. They were Subway sandwiches. The total bill was around 400 Baht for two persons. I do not think that is cheap as in 17.50 Baht. Even though they are hookers, I treat them as my guests. So I would never buy them 7-11 sandwiches.

[Bam Boom Bam]

You're making it difficult. Asking too many questions to hookers won't get you far. All you need to know is the price, and maybe if they do specific unusual acts you want (like anal, or finishing 2 times). Even asking about services is of limited value, most things they can promise but deliver minimally or with poor attitude (e. G. A 5-second BBBJ). In the end, they'll give you whatever service they normally provide. For best results, go with the flow with a pleasant but firm attitude, but it's always variable, some girls are duds no matter what you do. Trying too hard to make sure everything lines up correctly is the best way to spoil it.

As for menstruation, no way to avoid. They usually know they have it, and know no customer would like that (apart from maybe 1% with a crazy fetish), but still chose to work. Usually they take precautions like shoving a sponge out there or hoping it won't get too messy, this sometimes works, sometimes fails. Given that they're out working anyway, why would they choose to give up the session just because you remembered to ask the magic question of whether they have menstruation?

Yes, those were the two or three questions that I asked. So I did not ask too many questions.

I am not saying that they have to give up the session just because I asked the magic question. But I am saying that they should let me know if I ask and allow me to decide because I do not want to end up with a bloody condom and bloody bed-sheets, which is a major turn-off. Just like you said, they already know that customers do not like menstruation.

If you rent a car and the engine blows after five minutes when you were very gentle with the gas pedal, is it your fault?