Bangkok Reports

[Wolvenvacht]

By dramatic contrast, a team of research journalists working on it day and night would be hard pressed to locate a single heterosexual male customer of a Thai bargirl for whom it can truly be said he had to have contracted HIV or any other life-altering ailment from engaging in BB vaginal or oral sex and no other way. I have never seen one identified and profiled in the media. I have never met one. I have never met someone who knows one. And neither have you. And in the case of HIV, this is more than three decades after first hearing that an explosive worldwide (and especially in Thailand!) heterosexual HIV epidemic was right around the corner.

So all the AIDS or HIV positive people must be homosexuals or drug-users?

See what the WHO says about it:

* HIV continues to be a major global public health issue, having claimed more than 34 million lives so far. In 2014,1. 2 (980 0001.6 million) million people died from HIV-related causes globally.

There were approximately 36.9 (34.341. 4) million people living with HIV at the end of 2014 with 2. 0 (1. 92.2) million people becoming newly infected with HIV in 2014 globally.

Sub-Saharan Africa is the most affected region, with 25.8 (24.028. 7) million people living with HIV in 2014. Also sub-Saharan Africa accounts for almost 70% of the global total of new HIV infections.

* It is estimated that currently only 53% of people with HIV know their status.

* Between 2000 and 2015, new HIV infections have fallen by 35%, AIDS-related deaths have fallen by 24% . .).

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs360/en/

The fact that AIDS / HIV in Thailand is (relatively) low is very much due to a strong campaign (in the past) in favor of condom use. It seems that for financial reasons this campaign is not well maintained now in Thailand, because the majority of the HIV / AIDS money already goes to medical costs for people with AIDS and HIV. That is a pity and a short-sighted policy as relenting on the "use a condom" campaign will only cause a rise in infections in the coming years.

So please, don't spread the false rumour that there is no such thing as heterosexual transmission of HIV! The risk may be low, but still it caught milions of people.

[JjBee62]

No sane woman would put herself at risk fucking a stranger with no condoms and getting infected. 30-40 years ago, maybe. So I stand by my statement. Only the desperate and those with nothing to lose will willingly do BB. And your posted pic doesn't prove anything. Even Hi-SO girls can be insane or desperate (not that that pic is of a Hi_so girl.).

Nd EihTooms, your analogy to the Lady drinks is hilarious at best.

Let me get this straight. No sane woman would ever fuck a stranger without a condom? Is that what you're trying to say?

That's completely ridiculous.

When you think about it, you're effectively saying, only insane women ever have sex without a condom, with the exception of women who are never separated from their one male partner.

There's no guarantee that the devoted husband isn't going to stray, no sure-fire way to ensure the boyfriend's fidelity. Any time any woman has BB sex with any man, whether her husband of 40 years, or a stranger she just met, she's taking a risk, but that's not a sign of insanity.

For the record, I use condoms and I think mongering BB is an unnecessary risk, but what others do is ultimately their business.

[EihTooms]

That's simply pure rubbish! The research unquestionably establishes that covered always beats bareback when it comes to protecting your health (not to mention avoiding pregnancy). You can have recreational sex time and time again with a condom and your chances of catching something are greatly reduced. Whereas, it only takes that one time bareback before you end up "fucked" in a way you don't want to be. And to suggest that BBFS is safer for the girl than if you buy her two drinks and don't bar fine her is even greater rubbish!

It may be more lucrative for her, but it's not safer since nothing would be safer than abstaining from sex altogether! What's lucrative and what's safe are two entirely different things, so please don't cross connect the two as the one has nothing to do with the other. When somebody makes arguments like yours, it proves that they aren't being objective at all and are simply pushing their own agenda. That said, I have no problem if somebody desires or seeks BBFS. I'm just saying we all need to be fair and balanced when discussing the risks. To suggest that BBFS is "safer" for the girl than to buy her drinks and not bar fine her is ludicrous! Nothing is safer for tute and monger alike than is abstinence.

My whole life I have seen and know quite up close and personal the ravages of alcoholism among more people than I can count. Meet them all the time. And so do you.

I suppose when Duniawala encounters it as often as I know the rest of us do, he thinks it is only worthy of a good laugh and nothing to be taken very seriously.

By dramatic contrast, a team of research journalists working on it day and night would be hard pressed to locate a single heterosexual male customer of a Thai bargirl for whom it can truly be said he had to have contracted HIV or any other life-altering ailment from engaging in BB vaginal or oral sex and no other way. I have never seen one identified and profiled in the media. I have never met one. I have never met someone who knows one. And neither have you. And in the case of HIV, this is more than three decades after first hearing that an explosive worldwide (and especially in Thailand!) heterosexual HIV epidemic was right around the corner.

I didn't argue that going BB was safer than wearing a condom, safer than abstinence, or that it was better for a bargirl's finances for her to do so and neither has anyone else that I can see on this thread. So I have no idea where your rant about that came from, but I am ok with you fabricating an opportunity to let it fly anyway. Enjoy.

[FunHobby69]

First morning after first night of first visit Bangkok on first international hobby tour (Hong Kong, Chiang Mai, Phnom Penh, siem reap) completed. Hit Soi 4 after your around walk around the two BJ joints next to each other with one of them a name that gets censored here. Starts with L. Both had sufficient talent to satisfy a splash and dash. So started Soi 4 bars. Yuck, 90 percent simply not doable. Fat and old. Finally found light skin, spinner from north? Who spoke very little English. Almost none. 2 lady drinks. Learned they have to sell 130 drinks month or fined or something like that. Her friend helped with translation. Bar fine 500. No discussion price long term. She said uncomfortable and that we go have fun first and and see about latter. So basically 500 baht gamble with no guarantee on back side. But I looked at situation as interesting as maybe more than just standard operation. So we hit Nana complex. She was really into the girls. After couple clubs and couple beer joints back to room. Price never mentioned. Very very shy, towel covered until under covers and then off. Very passive and I thought shit starfish. But as soon as I started dining at the why, she came alive. Totally fucked my face for at least 15 minutes. Squirming, back arching, ass up in air, type stuff. Started grabbing my dick so switched to 69. About 5 minutes and then she stopped and motioned me lay on my back. She spread my legs and did a total deep dive with her tongue into my ass. Worked it long time before moving up and attempting to swallow my balls. Then onto BBBJCIM for finish. I was drunk and tired and really didn't want effort of fucking. Woke me up in middle of night for seconds but I was too tired. Same in morning. Left her 2500 baht by her purse. She thanked me and seemed happy. Know 3000 baht for BJ with anal licking, but felt worth it as I enjoyed entire evening with beautiful girl bar on my arm bar hopping. Sort of date night. Did I overpay?

FH69

[Member #4387]

I am a heavy BB'er on a global fuck scale. And just for the record not to have sex at all would be safest and covering up would be the second safest. In a waist logic BB sex is the third safest and by far far a lot more unsafe than the two other methods. But there are ways to minimize the risk as I am normaly so hooked on BB sex that a raincoat is equal to me standing down. I don't say this works for everyone but has worked for me year after year (for the BKk soon 9 years) without getting sick in anyway. Ofcourse I have to admit that pure luck would play a role here as well but my methods at least works for me to avoid the sick girls.

I screen girls pretty good and mostly don't hunt for the bottom feeder girls, I never, knowingly, hook with BG's or for the latter years FL's for that matter (with a few few minor exceptions that is but still reduce the risk for me getting some nasty shit) and I scren also the twat itself for visible signs and / or odd smells (also a risk reducing measure). I have thrown girls out of my apts with mentioned oddities (not many but a handful over the years).

I mostly do non P4 P girls. Girls with normal jobs, girls with BF's (both western or domestic) which has a lot to loose if they caught out with anything. In these cases we both have a mutual interest in beeing healthy as I am myself in a relationship back home and I would be finished if I caught something. Is it difficult to get them into the BB game, hell, no. Mostly a raincoat isn't even mentioned (even if I keep a odd few if A+ play takes place, also a risk reducing measure). So when you hunt girls not having a high ratio of sexpartners the risk is very reduced. I am snipped (that's relatively newly had but still I made it with only one "hidden" Makati baby, which will be fine by the way as I take very good care of this small baby girl). Having one public baby with GF back home made me decide to have a hidden / secret snipping as two babies is enough. Some of the girls with their regular jobs also have to stay healthy as a few of them have in Thai standards well paid jobs incl obligatory healthcheckups (ie airlinecrews, models). I could be wrong ofcourse but I strongly believe most of the girls in mentioned category only fuck me and their spouse / BF.

If I am at a mongerspree and indulge myself into a heavy girlie scheduel I try not to mix these two worlds into meeting eachother without me beeing able to do some checkups inbetween. I do checkups maybe 10 to 15 times a year. I am well aware of the risks but it is still a risk I am willing to take as it is a calculated one and comdoms sucks big time (yeah I know of and have tried the ultra thin ones as well, japaneese made, same shit). The latter years (10 or so), the worst I have gotten isn't something Canesten wouldn't fix. I had the chlamydia back in 1991 or 92 which I got from a fellow norwegian UNI student. Happy poonin.

[Duniawala]

If you want a 0. 1% chance or less, then better stay home, sir! Condoms do not even approach that, even with "Perfect" use! https://drjengunter.wordpress.com/20...birth-control/.

And I do not fuck bottom of the barrel or desperate girls. I attached a picture of one of the ones I'm talking about with the face mainly hidden to protect her identity.

No sane woman would put herself at risk fucking a stranger with no condoms and getting infected. 30-40 years ago, maybe. So I stand by my statement. Only the desperate and those with nothing to lose will willingly do BB. And your posted pic doesn't prove anything. Even Hi-SO girls can be insane or desperate (not that that pic is of a Hi_so girl.).

Nd EihTooms, your analogy to the Lady drinks is hilarious at best.

[Socker]

I have always found it amazing how a looker like Ging Gaew ends up a prostitute when she is every bit as attractive if not more than Kylie Jenner, who by virtue of her birthplace and name will make millions by simply acting like a prostitute.

Sorry for the sermonizing. However, on a positive note we have the opportunity to pay for and enjoy the beauty Ging Gaew possesses.

In order to find the answer to this you have to ask the question, how are humans sexed? How has nature hardwired us? This is the answer I believe. We males are 20% oversexed, 20% undersexed and the rest vary in degree between the extremes. This from my observations over 50 years of watching the gender battles and idiosyncrasies.

Before I started international mongering I thought females had a different ratio, that females were designed to be undersexed. So I was quite surprised on my first trip to Pattaya to see hundreds of bars girls laughing and having fun selling drinks and their pussies. I was brought up in a culture where selling your body was dreadful occupation yet street after street these Thai women were having fun. They were not afraid of their profession and were defiant and enjoying the game.

So now I feel women have the same sexual needs as men 20% 20% and the in-between.

So Ralph to me if a woman is independent and has a strong sexual appetite she has a job she loves.

I think if the USA legalized prostitution there would be plenty of happy hookers.

My 02 cents, while nursing a horrible hangover by the pool in Medellin, Colombia.

[Bangkok Banger]

If you want a 0. 1% chance or less, then better stay home, sir! Condoms do not even approach that, even with "Perfect" use! https://drjengunter.wordpress.com/20...birth-control/.

And I do not fuck bottom of the barrel or desperate girls. I attached a picture of one of the ones I'm talking about with the face mainly hidden to protect her identity.

Thanks for the generous offer, but I have no interest in it even if the chance is a remote 0. 1% to get an STD. Of course, the majority of the BB franchise are at the bottom of the barrel who are desperate to make money any way they can..

[Randy Murican]

Most recent study (Tufts U) looking at the cost to bring a new drug to market is 2. 6 Billion USD. So at $1000.00 a head that would take approximately 2,600,000 mongers.

[The Cane]

Walking into a bar, negotiating a BBFS experience with a bargirl and not buying her a single Lady Drink is likely quite a bit safer for her health in the long run than for the next two customers buying her two Lady Drinks each and taking her out for fully covered everything. Or buying her two Lady Drinks and not taking her out at all, for that matter.

That's simply pure rubbish! The research unquestionably establishes that covered always beats bareback when it comes to protecting your health (not to mention avoiding pregnancy). You can have recreational sex time and time again with a condom and your chances of catching something are greatly reduced. Whereas, it only takes that one time bareback before you end up "fucked" in a way you don't want to be. And to suggest that BBFS is safer for the girl than if you buy her two drinks and don't bar fine her is even greater rubbish!

It may be more lucrative for her, but it's not safer since nothing would be safer than abstaining from sex altogether! What's lucrative and what's safe are two entirely different things, so please don't cross connect the two as the one has nothing to do with the other. When somebody makes arguments like yours, it proves that they aren't being objective at all and are simply pushing their own agenda. That said, I have no problem if somebody desires or seeks BBFS. I'm just saying we all need to be fair and balanced when discussing the risks. To suggest that BBFS is "safer" for the girl than to buy her drinks and not bar fine her is ludicrous! Nothing is safer for tute and monger alike than is abstinence.

[Tomasb]

Donate it to prostate cancer research instead.

Every problem can be solved if you just spend a ton of money on it. And what problem could be more profitable to solve than bare sex.

Everybody loves it. Even the girls like it better due to less irritation.

All the guys advocating covered, why?! Because they enjoy it?! NO! Its because they're scared, and loser ass PLMs. And rightfully so, it is scary, but worth it.

Let's solve this problem for the benefit of society, and mongers the world round!

I'm just an average monger w moderate income, but I'd put $1000 of my own money towards it today!

*business idea*.

[PimpinIt]

If only it were that simple.

Every problem can be solved if you just spend a ton of money on it. And what problem could be more profitable to solve than bare sex.

Everybody loves it. Even the girls like it better due to less irritation.

All the guys advocating covered, why?! Because they enjoy it?! NO! Its because they're scared, and loser ass PLMs. And rightfully so, it is scary, but worth it.

Let's solve this problem for the benefit of society, and mongers the world round!

I'm just an average monger w moderate income, but I'd put $1000 of my own money towards it today!

*business idea*.

[LA Guy 5]

Seriously, covered sux. I bet if every single monger on the planet contributed $1000, we cud figure out this pesky STD problem, then everyone cud enjoy bare w / o worry.

*business idea*.

If only it were that simple.

[PimpinIt]

Duniawala, your conjecture that "the majority of the BB franchise are at the bottom of the barrel who are desperate to make money any way they can" hasn't been my experience and observation at all. I have never had BBFS with a girl who didn't have plenty of other customer options in the bar every night of the week. Actually, most of my BBFS experiences in Thailand have been with regular, non bargirls who have regular, decent paying jobs and know full well where I live and why I choose to live there (in the heart of the P4 P entertainment areas in order to partake of the fun early and often).

I assume many if not most guys who have a wife or steady girlfriend back home, have not had a vasectomy and are mostly fine with wearing condoms rarely if ever ask a bargirl if she is willing to engage in BBFS with them. Consequently, anything resembling a controlled study on which girls will and which girls won't is impossible. But the anecdotal evidence suggests to me that BBFS is more likely to occur than not for the guys who do ask politely and discretely. And that would be with any girl working in a bar, a massage shop, or not involved in the bar scene at all.

It is probable that some of our impressions are skewed regarding how much BBFS is going on out there and with which girls in the business by the more vocal and judgmental voices on the subject being heard, heard loudest and with the most confidence (deserved or not) on these message boards. But then, if we were to draw a profile of a "typical" Thailand P4 P customer from the samples culled on these kinds of message boards, one might mistakenly assume almost all of them are slipping on condoms for every sexual encounter, most of which consists of rimming and A+ level anal sex service, and that they experience the first of at least three orgasms within a 90 minute time span before the lady gets soap on her hands in the shower. But that just cannot possibly be the case for the vast majority of punters out there.

And for many, "Cover up and enjoy" is an oxymoron (quote and insert the anticipated "moron" joke here). Many men have near zero sensation wearing a condom and would not be able to finish with one on if he were given several hours time and a gut full of Viagra to help him do it. So, for them, it is either go BB or don't engage in FS to completion at all.

I still maintain that the move a P4 P customer makes that is most detrimental to a bargirl's health is buying her a Lady Drink. I'm going to go out on a limb here and state flatly that doing more truly life-altering damage to the same ladies some of you gentlemen claim you are so concerned about than not wearing a condom for FS is in going along with the alcohol Lady Drink purchase program in the bars. I would wager that produces a much greater chance of long-term life altering damage for them than 0. 1%. Yet, I never read any of you same guys running to the defense of the girls' health (or our own) by strongly suggesting we not patronize bars that set quotas for Lady Drinks purchased and consumed by the ladies.

Walking into a bar, negotiating a BBFS experience with a bargirl and not buying her a single Lady Drink is likely quite a bit safer for her health in the long run than for the next two customers buying her two Lady Drinks each and taking her out for fully covered everything. Or buying her two Lady Drinks and not taking her out at all, for that matter.

Seriously, covered sux. I bet if every single monger on the planet contributed $1000, we cud figure out this pesky STD problem, then everyone cud enjoy bare w / o worry.

*business idea*.

[Goatscrot]

Once Ging takes her bra off, her earning potential goes up immediately, even though her face is already cute for me. She is virtually guaranteed to make a reasonable sum every time she turns up to work, which is not that often.

I actually prefer well done implants to large natural breasts and you pic of Ging illustrates why. She is already starting to sag a bit on the sides and in 5 years time those breasts will not look good. Gravity is a be*tch. Well done teardrop shaped implants look great for years and years.