Bangkok Reports

[Bouvis]

Which mamasan was this? I remember reading a while back that we should avoid the fat one. I've had a run in with her before where me and some friends had a drink each but yet the bill ran up to 2000 baht, I felt like she was trying to scam us but I couldn't be 100% sure so I've always avoided Billboard since then.

Aren't they all fat?

This Mamasan has been there for 5 years so she says.

I know for a fact she has been there for at least three years.

[Syzygies]

The banning of Laos girls was the beginning of the current downslide.

Really? When do you mean? I doubt it. Not that many specifically Lao girls were working in the bars in recent times, plenty of Issan girls referred to as Lao.

When Prayut came to power they did start a new crack down on non Thai nationals, which includes Cambodia, Lao, Myanmar, girls etc. I know one Cambodian girl was still working at Crazy House despite the crackdown, because they usually got raid warnings. Not just that, but under the correct age girls was the primary focus. Recently many MPs were also raided checking for incorrect girls.

There had been previous crackdowns. Not long after Thaksin came to power, his minister for integrity or whatever started a big crack down on girls too young and "dtang dao" foreign girls. That started a huge decline in the Soapy massage industry, and some Soapies were raided and shut down, like Nataree. Chao Praya 2 was my favourite MP, but its decline was severe without all the "Thai Yai" girls from mountains of Myanmar, and the very young ones. What remains today is mostly the older uniformed Milfs, nothing like the business they did in the 1990's. In its hey day, was a really top place for me, but have not used it for close to 15 years now.

Recent crackdowns on Soapies have focussed on illegal use of artesian water. Probably very few Lao girls found at a guess. Under the right age girls, maybe.

How many real Lao girls did you know? Not we all know bars are full of mostly Issan girls, but I don't any Lao girls, I know only one Lao girl (Savanakhet girl) who was pushed out from working at Orient Massage, due to raids, but fortunately not caught. I knew two Cambodian bargirls (one caught in a raid at Suzi Wong), and Myanmar "Thai Yai" girls only many years back in MPs (Nataree had some too).

[Syzygies]

Which mamasan was this? I remember reading a while back that we should avoid the fat one. I've had a run in with her before where me and some friends had a drink each but yet the bill ran up to 2000 baht, I felt like she was trying to scam us but I couldn't be 100% sure so I've always avoided Billboard since then.

Yes fat mamasan was a known cheat and sacked from bars: Crazy House and also Mercury. She ran away with my change at closing time once, hiding in the toilet perhaps. Simple, avoid her. However I would still go to Billboard no problem. Just ignore her completely and make sure my girl, if any, utilises some other mamasan. I am sure they have more than one.

[Goatscrot]

Complaining in LOS might leave one with Brain damage. LOL.

I've lived here 20 years and never had a problem when I call off a session due to poor performance. I never raise my voice, never lose my cool, simply stop and tell her it's not good for me and I don't want her to do anything she does not want to do or is uncomfortable with, but we agreed upon certain services and they are not being provided. I get dressed, give her what I feel is appropriate and leave. Always stressing I don't want her to do anything she is uncomfortable with. I've never had a problem and most FLs when I seem them later are quite friendly.

[BlueKangaroo]

No lubricate was used and on retrospect this was my error and during negotiations I didn't mention my cock. So your comments are valid RL. I will ensure I have this covered next time.

FWIW. I returned to Billboard the next night and spoke with Mamasan who was sitting outside. She told me what had happened. I. e. The girl had you returned to the bar and told her I was "too long" "Yai" She then told me that she would check and ask a lady "Who can do" she grabbed me by the arm and led me into the door. Wow. The place was packed full of ladies all in red bikinis. Some seriously beautiful girls. I estimated the ratio of four girls to one punter. I looked around and was impressed. Quite a lineup. I told Mamasan that I would walk around the complex and take a look at the other bars and then come back if I didn't find anything I liked. She said laughing "You come back, I have best girl". I ended up going with a beauty from another bar downstairs. She took it like a champ. I will return to Billboard another time.

Which mamasan was this? I remember reading a while back that we should avoid the fat one. I've had a run in with her before where me and some friends had a drink each but yet the bill ran up to 2000 baht, I felt like she was trying to scam us but I couldn't be 100% sure so I've always avoided Billboard since then.

[EihTooms]

I've only spent 2 days in Pattaya and I also noticed that Pattaya didn't provide service that was up to the standards of BKK or other Thailand places. One go-go girl, one freelancer from Beach Road, one soapy girl, and a pair of Soi 6 girls together to my hotel room. All of them were more mechanical than my average BKK experience. They were also a bit less expensive.

That is how it has been for me as well in my recent trips. And when the basic bone structure and physical appearance of the girl is ok, I see they are covered with big ugly tattoos, smoking, projecting the tough girl demeanor or staring in the distance with dead eyes. LOL. Maybe they are staring into the distance to discourage me from approaching them. No need for that, honey.

[Bouvis]

Could be any on a number of reasons she wanted to bail.RL.

No lubricate was used and on retrospect this was my error and during negotiations I didn't mention my cock. So your comments are valid RL. I will ensure I have this covered next time.

FWIW. I returned to Billboard the next night and spoke with Mamasan who was sitting outside. She told me what had happened. I. e. The girl had you returned to the bar and told her I was "too long" "Yai" She then told me that she would check and ask a lady "Who can do" she grabbed me by the arm and led me into the door. Wow. The place was packed full of ladies all in red bikinis. Some seriously beautiful girls. I estimated the ratio of four girls to one punter. I looked around and was impressed. Quite a lineup. I told Mamasan that I would walk around the complex and take a look at the other bars and then come back if I didn't find anything I liked. She said laughing "You come back, I have best girl". I ended up going with a beauty from another bar downstairs. She took it like a champ. I will return to Billboard another time.

[Robert Long]

Yes. Yes you are right *man I was a weak fool. Played. Damn it.

If you have a rather large member, I am sure that you have had complaints prior to this situation. You should have mentioned this during your negotiation with her in the bar. You discussed everything else that you required from her, you should have asked her if she could handle a large cock.

Many small Thai ladies can't and I assume that with experience you have found out that this is true.

I'm normal sized and I always carry KY lube. Many ladies do not get wet do to washing and showering prior to making love, even if you DATY for awhile before inserting into paradise. I don't think you were played. I have never had the problem you had and I've been active in Bkk for years. Could be any on a number of reasons she wanted to bail.

RL.

[HorseTrader]

The worst places for me to get the kind of True GFE I'm talking about, as I have stated many times, are MPs (even the so-called PSE ones), Beer Garden Soi 7 and anywhere in Pattaya. Each for different reasons.

I've only spent 2 days in Pattaya and I also noticed that Pattaya didn't provide service that was up to the standards of BKK or other Thailand places. One go-go girl, one freelancer from Beach Road, one soapy girl, and a pair of Soi 6 girls together to my hotel room. All of them were more mechanical than my average BKK experience. They were also a bit less expensive.

[Jimmy Jimms]

Snapshot of big bar in Nana. 80 staff 20 customers at 10 pm weekday.

Considering 1/2 the dancers are top AAA-Grade fuggly I don't know how they make baht.

[Jimmy Jimms]

40%? No, that is unacceptable. No wonder service is poor. Punters are satisfied with crap. I'd say 90% of sessions should be great. If not, there is something drastically wrong. Gals will try to get away with as little as possible. Shams so many guys are letting them. If you are not getting what was agreed upont, call off the session and give her what you think seems fair, the boot her. If it is really bad, head back to the bar and tell the mamasan.

Complaining in LOS might leave one with Brain damage. LOL.

[Bouvis]

Never ever in the last 15 years have I seen it so devoid of customers. And surprise surprise the Girls are not showing up either

Are you talking about midweek?

From what I witnessed last weekend NEP was holding it's own, however one Mamasan I spoke with did say it was quiet, but maybe they always say that.

One girl mentioned that some of her friends had already gone home for Songkran which I thought was early.

[EihTooms]

Unfortunately it is true and the mamasan won't give a shit if someone complains. Gogos are on the burner business model. I live in BKK now and have been for 6 months. I just can't do gogos anymore, the service on average is just too lousy. They are so used to shitty service that they don't know any better.

Gogos are purely for time limited tourist stays, I used to fall into the category but with more time there are way better options. If you have more time, mining the massage places and dating sites are the way to go. Service is just way better and you can find some real local hotties. It is hard to get ones head around the fact that the service is twice is good for half the price.

Fuck gogos!

Haha. I have several times listed Bangkok go-go bars as among the best places for me to score the kind of True GFE I need (BBFS+CIP primarily, BBBJ+CIM secondarily). And with younger, better looking girls than you'll find in the MPs, Beer Bars, on the street or on the dating sites. Generally.

However, I can see why that would not be the case for other punters. Classic YMMV, I suppose.

Moreover, what I deem to be the ultimate "service" goal might be very different from yours anyway. I don't know.

In my experience, the negotiation skill/game to get what I need is to throw a sweet, genuine smile at my targeted girl on stage, see if she returns one. If she does, play with that for a while. Not like a stalker. I glance around the rest of the bar, too, but always come back to her. When she comes off the stage at the end of her set, she ought to be inspired to come right over to me and sit down. Chit chat for a bit, where you from, where you stay, you have wife, etc. Once it is clear she really wants me to barfine her, I tell her what I need (boom boom no condom). More often than most here might believe, her reply will be a smile and a nod. I'm not particularly comfortable with that reply, so I will ask more directly for a "yes or no" reply.

Sometimes she brings up "How much" before we get to the "For what" part. That's ok. I might need to go up by 500 baht or so from what most punters would say is the going rate. Barfine plus 2,000-2,500 to the girl is what I generally wind up paying. Of course, they start at 3,000. But it really isn't hard to move them off that. There will be some stubborn exceptions, to be sure. Seems to run about 50-60% success rate for me in go-go bars these days once the girl has sat down next to me.

Butterflies, Billboard, Enter, Twister BKK, Mandarin Bars are my usual go-to bars for this in Nana Plaza. Cactus Bar, Suzy Wong and Long Gun on Soi Cowboy. But I branch out and test the waters in other bars, too.

The worst places for me to get the kind of True GFE I'm talking about, as I have stated many times, are MPs (even the so-called PSE ones), Beer Garden Soi 7 and anywhere in Pattaya. Each for different reasons.

[Bubba Boy]

40%? No, that is unacceptable. No wonder service is poor. Punters are satisfied with crap. I'd say 90% of sessions should be great. If not, there is something drastically wrong. Gals will try to get away with as little as possible. Shams so many guys are letting them. If you are not getting what was agreed upont, call off the session and give her what you think seems fair, the boot her. If it is really bad, head back to the bar and tell the mamasan.

Unfortunately it is true and the mamasan won't give a shit if someone complains. Gogos are on the burner business model. I live in BKK now and have been for 6 months. I just can't do gogos anymore, the service on average is just too lousy. They are so used to shitty service that they don't know any better.

Gogos are purely for time limited tourist stays, I used to fall into the category but with more time there are way better options. If you have more time, mining the massage places and dating sites are the way to go. Service is just way better and you can find some real local hotties. It is hard to get ones head around the fact that the service is twice is good for half the price.

Fuck gogos!

[Goatscrot]

Girl earned her 3000.

4. 40% fun experiences is the normal satisfied customer rate. MeThinks..

40%? No, that is unacceptable. No wonder service is poor. Punters are satisfied with crap. I'd say 90% of sessions should be great. If not, there is something drastically wrong. Gals will try to get away with as little as possible. Shams so many guys are letting them. If you are not getting what was agreed upont, call off the session and give her what you think seems fair, the boot her. If it is really bad, head back to the bar and tell the mamasan.