Bangkok Reports

[CzarNicholas]

Very interesting story this. I just think you made it too complicated. I am sure you know that most of these bar girls are simple farm girls from Isaan. Some are very clever, but they simply do not like complicated customers. Why do you think Koreans are so popular? I have asked this questions to bargirls many times and their reply. Apart from the easy-money / pay better / come in 1 minute aspect, it is always the same; falangs are complicated and ask too many questions. Koreans just smile and are happy and easy-going. They do not ask questions about their personal life or make complicated suggestions like the one you suggested. I am sure you know this and I am sure that you just wanted to play games with the girls this evening, but the story is a brilliant example of what many falang seems to miss; do not make it complicated. Smile, be happy, joke with her. Do not enter into questions on political issues, Thai mentality, her personal life etc. If she is not willing to lower the price, just walk away and try the next one. On a side note; I have a friend that visited Bangkok for the first time last year (he is over 50 years)..

I'm a 51 yo white guy.

I got a couple free bargirls without even buying them a drink in a couple Korean bars in AC on my recent trip (this one was from dragon bar).

So I'm laying in bed with one after we finish, and we are chatting a bit I ask her if she likes white guys or Koreans more.

She says Koreans, I ask why?

She says easy customers (most don't even speak English).

In ac most white guys speak English and want to pre-negotiate every detail and if they don't get everything we agreed to.

They will be yelling in the room and will probably come back to the bar to yell more.

Not the Koreans.

The prices are pre set.

They accept whatever is given, period!

There is never a debate or argument.

She says every girl in her bar is the same way.

They go for easy money.

This is how desperate duan destroys mongering.

Pays any price for any service.

I've been in almost every bar in ac in 120 nights.

99% are not worth the pre-set BF and girls fee, plus drinks.

Plus / plus / plus.

So they are getting overpaid by him and they can give him as little as they want.

Just run out the clock and make sure he cums somehow.

I was talking to a mamasan in dragon one day LOL.

She wanted me to fuck her LOL.

She was telling me she's also an interpreter for the bar.

She speaks Japanese.

I asked you get many Japanese customers? She said no, but we advertise to them.

And we get a few, and we need someone that can at least tell them the price.

So its obvious how desperate duan operates.

Its quite deliberate, ask for as little as possible, pay more than everyone else.

Take them for a massage and dinner, buy them roses, and don't forget to tip them well LMAO.

[Franciscass]

I feel whether Thai women will relocate abroad depends on circumstances.

If professional and educated, from a middle income up socioeconomic background, they are less likely for sure. However if its true love and he's close in age, seriously financially secure and accepted by her family it's more than possible.

Girls on low incomes with little prospects of improving their circumstances are much more likely to move abroad especially if their partner is also willing to take care of her family or promises her an work opportunity to do her herself. Here his circumstances I. E. His age appearance and her feelings for him are less important but also play a part I. E. Is he a true Farang Jai Dee.

The smarter more experienced working girls seeking higher earnings are increasingly working abroad for limited periods most likely in Korea and Malaysia although they can be found almost anywhere. This is often cited as a reason for the declining quality of local talent.

All that said it is commonly accepted that Thai's unlike say Filipinos are among the least mobile people on the planet.

[Smoothy]

Deja Vu, Kiss, Midnite, Rio, Sahara, Rawhide, and Spice Girls are owned by a guy known as the Arab. He's actually Iranian. All of his bars are known ripoffs. Avoid all of them.

I think he also owns that Cowboy 2 bar.

[CzarNicholas]

It's their business to be able to read you and ascertain what you want and need. Most are quite good at it even if they seem out to lunch about so much.

I'd say you have just as much chance of contracting something here as you do in AC. Part of the game.

It's an illusion so don't delude yourself. But as illusions go, it's one of the best.

The truth is the truth.

Please elucidate the situation for me.

I have never used a condom in Asia.

60+ days in BKK and almost 120 in AC.

With some sessions include anal.

And have not contracted anything yet, probably close to 200 sessions?

But I have heard the law of averages is a [Deleted by Admin].

[Syzygies]

Despite the oft repeated advice about telling the girl or the mamasan what you want beforehand, they've heard it all, etc., etc., I think the truth is these girls and mamasans almost never hear anything from the cusomer regarding what he expects of her for the money he is going to give her. They are totally confused about what to do or say about it when that happens. Which I think is similar to your point as well.

My main advice is to avoid the interfering mamasans at all costs if possible. I don't give a shit what they heard before and what they did not. They are going to adversely affect any attempted negotiation. The girl may agree to a lower price, in "private", unless a hell of a lot of guys on here quoting they got a lower price, are liars.

Truly I have had plenty of girls with no price negotiation at all. Easier for me, since I and not looking for special requirements, in terms of what we will do on a bed. Just want a girl that can relax and enjoy herself. Perhaps that is a tall order these days. So I ask questions to get information about the style of girl these days. That is not a negotiation at all.

I have found a girl that will go all night, and never had a price negotiation with her, even once. I need BB since pussy is a bit too tight. Maybe a bit too brown skinned for some guys on here, and tits too small for smoothy, but rest of body is good enough and face cute for me. Girls with attitudes like the old days still exist (just hard to find). I don't recall now if a mamasan was ever involved. Mamasans approach, but I am largely ignoring them, certainly not discussing taking a girl. I just hand BFs to the girl and she can go see the mamasan herself. No one method is going to feel right for everyone, I am sure. However the thing I need most, a certain girl attitude, cannot be negotiated.

As ET has mentioned, we can promise a bonus for the girl if she extra good, or extra "GFE". I don't believe we should have to pay the same price to every girl regardless of her quality and her attitude.

One possible remedy I was and am considering. Find a reasonably good looking girl on Soi 4 for a bargain basement base price. Then promise her various bonuses depending on just how good she can make the session. I certainly had girls that did not want to give much, but then I had not offered the bonuses. Lucky I found Naam, tall and well above average looks (small tits) that does not cut the time and gives full on tongue kissing etc. She is not at all adverse to a good bonus. Fun girl. A good session is guaranteed. No risk. Actually the best girl I had from Soi 4, ever, and that is over many years. Still would like to try the stunning deaf girl, if get a chance, with bonuses offered.

[Zeus9]

Deja Vu, Kiss, Midnite, Rio, Sahara, Rawhide, and Spice Girls are owned by a guy known as the Arab. He's actually Iranian. All of his bars are known ripoffs. Avoid all of them.

A friend of mine went into Sahara last night and was assaulted by one of the bouncers. He was with 2 other friends. They were handed a bill of 8000 baht for 3 drinks total. They say its bullshit, and they then lower the price to 4000. They still say it's not correct, the bouncer then proceeds to punch my friend in the face around 10 times in front of a police officer. He doesn't retaliate, and still tells them the price isn't correct while profusely bleeding from his brow. So they let them leave without paying anything. The price ended up being 20 stitches at the hospital.

I wasn't there to see it happen, and I'm only telling a summarized version 2nd hand. But it does show that there are still potentially dangerous situations and scammy practices going on in some go go bars. Even a simple search shows that place should be avoided along with all the other Arab owned bars in Soi Cowboy. I've never had an experience like this, but the lesson I would take away from my friend's story is that doing a bit of due diligence on websites like this helps quite a bit with avoiding shit situations like that.

[SexIsLove]

The Philippines was a US colony up until 1946. The US influence in the Philippines still remain strong, especially because a lot of healthcare workers comes from the Philippines. It embedded in the cultural fabric. Where compare to Thailand which claims to never been colonized by a western power but they did yield to the Japanese Army during world war 2. Around Thailand you can see that Thai-Japanese relations are pretty strong. I would guess that Thai would more likely move to Japan vs other western nation.

Quite true. At least a couple of Thai girls have told me if there is rebirth they would prefer to born in Japan. It would have been a good follow up to ask as a woman or man (if that is permissible in the after worlds and what naught) but really I just keep it simple when in LOS seeking my next drink and / or the next super lay.

[Gin And Tonic]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-flowers.html

I generally stick around lower Suk while in Bangkok. Any opinions on where specifically the working girls are that the Junta Gen specks of?

[EihTooms]

Very interesting story this. I just think you made it too complicated. I am sure you know that most of these bar girls are simple farm girls from Isaan. Some are very clever, but they simply do not like complicated customers. Why do you think Koreans are so popular? I have asked this questions to bargirls many times and their reply. Apart from the easy-money / pay better / come in 1 minute aspect, it is always the same; falangs are complicated and ask too many questions. Koreans just smile and are happy and easy-going. They do not ask questions about their personal life or make complicated suggestions like the one you suggested. I am sure you know this and I am sure that you just wanted to play games with the girls this evening, but the story is a brilliant example of what many falang seems to miss; do not make it complicated. Smile, be happy, joke with her. Do not enter into questions on political issues, Thai mentality, her personal life etc. If she is not willing to lower the price, just walk away and try the next one. On a side note; I have a friend that visited Bangkok for the first time last year (he is over 50 years). He love to talk politics with everybody. So he started that also with go-go bargirls in Bangkok. After some time I had to tell him to stop. He just wasted his time. The girls are not interested, in general they have no idea of what is going on outside Thailand, and they could not care a rats-ass about politics or your opinion. So in the end he gave up.

Yes, it was really more of a fun test (game?) than anything else; how little could I ask of an already aggressively lobbying P4P girl upfront in order to avoid any discussion or mention of condoms initiated by her and severe push back for not agreeing to her initial asking price. Well, at least she did not demand or even mention a condom for the DATY. Lol. However, I did get push back so severe on my money offer no midway counter offer was even considered. LOL.

In this case, I suppose the only thing that might have been asking less of her would have been if I'd said I would give her 2,000 baht to just sit in the taxi outside while I went inside my room alone for 15 minutes. To which she and the mamasan presumably would have said in unison, "All the girls here get 3,000 baht for Short Time!"

I don't know. Is that taxi arrangement a well known fetish for which bargirls are prepared in a nanosecond to jack up the price and stick to it as well?

One thing I learned from this little test was neither this girl nor either of the two mamasans in Butterflies who descended on me when it looked like I might pay a barfine are familiar with customers asking for anything in particular in the room and are only familiar with them negotiating price. Which is what I fear it has come to these days anyway.

Despite the oft repeated advice about telling the girl or the mamasan what you want beforehand, they've heard it all, etc., etc., I think the truth is these girls and mamasans almost never hear anything from the cusomer regarding what he expects of her for the money he is going to give her. They are totally confused about what to do or say about it when that happens. Which I think is similar to your point as well.

[FarangPunter]

That's true. Even today, most Thais of all social classes strongly prefer to stay in Thailand, although many don't mind going abroad for a holiday these days.

However, in the past, most women from lower classes of society would accept moving abroad as part-and-parcel of social and economic advancement that marriage to a (relatively) wealthy Farang would bring to her and the entire family. They would prefer if he stayed in Thailand and bought them a house of course. Or even better, just bought the house and sent money without staying.

This is in stark contrast with the Filipinas who's jump at a chance to live abroad, preferably permanently.

The Philippines was a US colony up until 1946. The US influence in the Philippines still remain strong, especially because a lot of healthcare workers comes from the Philippines. It embedded in the cultural fabric. Where compare to Thailand which claims to never been colonized by a western power but they did yield to the Japanese Army during world war 2. Around Thailand you can see that Thai-Japanese relations are pretty strong. I would guess that Thai would more likely move to Japan vs other western nation.

[EihTooms]

Are they never mad at you? Because by taking a girl outside she might get the impression that you've already decided to take her home. Or do you only say 'let's go outside to discuss things in private', or something like that, without agreeing to anything yet in the bar?

Oh, definitely the latter. Glad you asked so I could clarify. I treat it the same as suggesting a move to a quieter section of the room or as in the move I mentioned when a girl wants me to sit in a booth or at a table to discuss terms. I usually see 1-2 other couples out there apparently doing the same thing.

I do what I can to avoid making her think I have immediately decided to take her and "Let's go!"

I am not saying some girls have not misunderstood it to mean otherwise. I can't say for sure. But it has never been a problem for both of us to walk right back inside to carry on if the deal has not been struck outside.

[Crocodilexp]

Gals expectations have developed along with the economy. 20 years ago most Thai gals thought they were ugly.

So true. I still remember rather good looking 26 year olds complaining they're old women, and ugly to boot. Now the hookers pushing 40 (who tell punters they're 29) think they're the hottest thing ever. Part of it is the economy, but demographics are also a huge factor.

In any case, a Farang expat or tourist marrying a working girl used to be common in the past (I almost ended up doing that), but with the current crop of hookers, one would have to be truly delusional to even contemplate the possibility.

[Crocodilexp]

I worked for extended periods in Bkk during the late 80's and met lots of Thai women, many of whom were professionals with real jobs.

I have to say (in terms of Crocexp's comment reported above), that this group of Thai women were almost never interested in marriage with a farang UNLESS he planned to stay in Thailand. Relationships with farangs were welcomed and sought after as long as they could stay in Thailand. They didn't even wish to travel anywhere else.

That's true. Even today, most Thais of all social classes strongly prefer to stay in Thailand, although many don't mind going abroad for a holiday these days.

However, in the past, most women from lower classes of society would accept moving abroad as part-and-parcel of social and economic advancement that marriage to a (relatively) wealthy Farang would bring to her and the entire family. They would prefer if he stayed in Thailand and bought them a house of course. Or even better, just bought the house and sent money without staying.

This is in stark contrast with the Filipinas who's jump at a chance to live abroad, preferably permanently.

[Goatscrot]

Back in the day, the end-game for many (most) girls was getting married to a Farang, and they were also hoping to snag one or several long-term boyfriends who'd come a few times a year, and perhaps occasionally send money too. If you had a bit of chemistry with a girl, the session would often be more like a date, but with guaranteed sex. These days in Thailand it's mostly just helping you blow your load, as it is almost everywhere else in the world.

Current crop of girls is mostly not even interested in long time, let alone more extensive arrangements, and given most of them are bottom of the barrel, most punters aren't that interested in the latter either.

Spot on. Gals expectations have developed along with the economy. 20 years ago most Thai gals thought they were ugly. Not true. Now many think they are the best looking things on earth. Also not true.

[Goatscrot]

In BKK I don't want BBFS pse from a WG that gives that to everyone, that's a huge problem with AC everyone is getting BBFS, so I'm not able to enjoy DFK or DATY, even if I'm really turned on by her!

I prefer a WG that will take some coaxing in some manner, not to mention, I like to feel like she's treating me better than others LOL.

Not just a cum dumpster, for every monger in Asia, but yes they can lie, but I think I'm pretty good at guessing.

If she does this with every cock every session or not, I like to think intuition comes with experience.

As opposed to self-delusion!

It's their business to be able to read you and ascertain what you want and need. Most are quite good at it even if they seem out to lunch about so much.

I'd say you have just as much chance of contracting something here as you do in AC. Part of the game.

It's an illusion so don't delude yourself. But as illusions go, it's one of the best.