Bangkok Reports

[Supmam]

Have been watching a lot of thai porn. Esp tuktukpatrol. I'm curious if anyone has hooked up with manee (bitchy808 on OF). Her OF looks tempting as she offers dm for other requests but at 50 per month not realistic. The other one is ployly on OF but she's in pattaya. Another one is partythai who is fairly wild too.

Any intel appreciated.

[Tlito]

I agree, as I said, I prefer a live lineup. It's a RARE occurrence that I pick from a photo, BUT sometimes, inquiring minds want to know, and worth the price to me to find out. In fact, Kokoro and Don Quixote are the FIRST experiences with a tablet. And both of those were off my radar until Newton York's excellent set of FR's. But my life is too short to be upset with a shop's policy; their shop, their rules. Obviously works for both of them. Like you, if I didn't care to take the gamble, I'd walk. And the main reason I posted my FR about Kokoro, that at least one girl's photo reasonably matched the girl (in person, actual face and body, she was better live). How the others match, have no idea, but wouldn't hesitate to try again.

But thanks for the Pretty and Premier 101 recommendations. Will keep them I mind. (Trink fan?)

Cheers thanks again.

I have never heard the expression Trink before.

Do you mind explaining it to me. Not having a shot at all. Just never heard it.

Thanks and good punting always.

[Nyezhov]

Understood. But in the heat and humidity, I pick my battles.

Asoke to Soi 23: worth it.
MRT Silom to Patpong 2: worth it.
Thong Lo soi 6 (Sakura) to soi 8 (Foodland) to soi 13 (Ampersand): worth it.
Siam to MBK: meh.

Bingo.

Geez, don't strain yourself.

Its not that hot. Now the PM25 on the other hand.

[11Bravo]

Siam BTS to MBK is only a football field walk.

Understood. But in the heat and humidity, I pick my battles.

Asoke to Soi 23: worth it.
MRT Silom to Patpong 2: worth it.
Thong Lo soi 6 (Sakura) to soi 8 (Foodland) to soi 13 (Ampersand): worth it.
Siam to MBK: meh.

I had this happen to me a bunch as well. It was usually as we were getting dressed or in that post-coital glow. I had assumed it was just filler pillow talk, but maybe it's a way to leave an impression for potential future sales.

Bingo.

[Gilolo]

I am an older gentleman, almost 70, medium build and height white guy. Since my approach and goal is to get an upfront agreement for Real Sex / BBFSCIP before I proceed to barfine or take a girl, I am one of those years long expats who chooses to monger with gogo girls and street / club Freelancers and have little use for Massage Shops, so-called PSE Shops, Happy Ending shops, Escorts, Sideliner sites and the like. I want to see, assess and meet my potential session girls in the flesh with as much of their flesh on display as possible, to interact face to face and get an agreement for the above when the male and female chemistry for fucking is at a peak.

I must say the number of ladies in the venues I choose were notably higher as was my success rate in getting that upfront agreement in the years pre Covid than they have been post Covid. There are now fewer girls I want to have Real Sex / BBFSCIP with and inferior service from the ones I do approach and take.

So I tend to spend more time and money on the remaining stable of girls I met pre Covid and only occasionally set out to meet new ones.

I would also say your efforts to strike gold on Soi Cowboy is really stretching the challenge to do so to its breaking point. I consider Soi Cowboy to be Scam Central of all the red light districts and venues in Bangkok.

I chuckle when I read FRs extolling the better lookers on Soi Cowboy vs Nana Plaza, Soi 7 or even Patpong. Yeah, 90% of those Soi Cowboy lookers are Lady Drink Only Hustlers, Coyotes with strict instructions by their real employers NOT to go with a customer and to stay right there in or in front of the bar hustling LDs and nothing else until the minivans arrive at closing time or the end of their shift to whisk them away and to a non Real Sex or even barrier sex with farang safety zone.

BTW, the tip off that you are being dragged in or cajoled into a bar by a Lady Drink Only Hustler Coyote is she is wearing pantyhose. Check for that before you even bother with amusing banter about how hansum you are and how hot she is to be with you tonight. The idea being no part of their skin leading up to their vagina is to make direct contact with the skin of your hand or any other part of your body that might transmit pleasure signals to your brain.

And you can always ask, "Are you a Coyote? Do you go with customers?" before you go inside the bar and waste one baht on them. Generally, they will either be truthful about it and say Yes or they will immediately drop their smiles, their sexy demeanor, your hand and step away from you after being busted on their scam.

One other thing about this expat vs tourist thing. It is definitely not a built-in advantage for me as an expat living here to get Real Sex / BBFSCIP with newer girls vs your typical tourist newbie. In fact, it might as likely be a disadvantage.

1. If you exhibit any game and ability to easily bed down many women even for free and that many of them would be inclined to fuck you bareback, each new girl you meet will not only imagine you must be riddled with STDs but that they will be the proud exception and, besides, you can get so many ladies and all of them fucking you bareback, what is one crappy session that goes sour to you? You'll get another in 10 minutes. LOL.

2. As opposed to the newbie tourist who perhaps appears to be unlikely to have gotten laid in his own country for a year or even in Thailand yet, a full court press on the girl's part to rock your world and provide an initial session better than any other girl would means she will actually have to work for the money each and every time. You are not on a limited schedule. You're not going anywhere else. If she expects make a living off your money she will have to fuck and suck a pole many, many times in the future for it.

3. However, if she sets out to rock the world of a newbie tourist, first of all she will feel confident in doing so because her competition, other girls who she believes have given you Real Sex / BBFSCIP, is very limited. And that means you are "safer" in her mind. But most importantly, all she has to do in many cases is rock that dude's world just a few times before he returns to his sexless home country. Whereupon she has probably learned by now that Mr. Lonelyheart will continue to send her money, good money, for several months after the last time his dick came within a thousand miles of her various orifices. Now that is a much better deal for her.

If it's diffcicult for you to get bareback in Bangkok, you should go Pattaya! All girls do BBFS.

[Ucgdx]

Nana Plaza's okay. I stuck my head into Billboards, Butterflies. Cowboy 5 & 6. I forget which one had the tub with topless women to one side (Butterfiles? I had a drink there but I ended up leaving not too long after. Another spot (Billboards with the caurosel?) had a guy that was doing the "tossing 20 baht notes in the air" deal. It was semi-amusing to watch but I left after four or five tosses.

I thought it was a crime to throw money on the ground because of the risk of stepping on the king's face?

[Paolo99]

I believe you're referring to fiwfans ( Does fiw mean something in thai, any one know what that translate too?)

"Fiw" means "to feel", it's not a Thai word but when Thais say the word "feel" (in English) it sounds like "fiw".

"Fan" is for girlfriend, so "FiwFan " means "GFE" or "feeling like a girlfriend".

[L00PY]

I'm passing through the area and have spent a couple of days here. I visited a couple of times pre-COVID and it's nice being back.

Nana Plaza's okay. I stuck my head into Billboards, Butterflies. Cowboy 5 & 6. I forget which one had the tub with topless women to one side (Butterfiles? I had a drink there but I ended up leaving not too long after. Another spot (Billboards with the caurosel?) had a guy that was doing the "tossing 20 baht notes in the air" deal. It was semi-amusing to watch but I left after four or five tosses.

I also visited Crazy House more than I should. Upstairs was always dead. I overhead another group describe it perfectly as "ratchet". It's smokey and the women aren't the best looking, a mix of bad silicone and only a couple of lookers. But the full nudity makes up for it. The women and mamasans (and one papasan) aren't too pushy, which is nice. I just got drinks and didn't really see too much that interested me. Actually there was one that I wanted and offered a LD drink to but for some reason she went to another guy that must have called her when she was dancing. No biggie. They definitely do the two lady drinks every time here.

I stuck my head in most of the other bars in Soi Cowboy too. Wow, a lot of them are really, really dead. Some are still quite aggressive about pulling you in. I really only enjoyed Baccara, upstairs of course. They rotate through a group of topless and not topless. For an idea of a tab, my juice and two separate lady drinks ended up being 650 baht or so. I'm going to make a broad generalization and say the only ones going to here are ones that aren't trying that hard to draw in the masses. You don't need coyotes if the talent's inside.

I also swung through Thermae. It's very much hit or miss. I'd say 10-20% of them are wearing masks right now, but they'll lower them upon request. The standard seems to have risen to 3 k baht for ST, though 2. 5 k is also out there. I think earlier in the night is really the best bet for selection.

Finally, I made a pass up Soi 3 looking for the Russians that used to be out that way. I didn't see anything at the Grace Hotel or Royal Garden. I guess they got raided and never reopened. The halal spot I like is still there so it wasn't a total loss.

The exchange rate right now is actually very, very close to what it was when I last visited. I feel that inflation has hit slightly with food costs and everything else. Not a ton, but enough that when I was here last time it felt like everything was really inexpensive and now it feels like it's not too bad.

I'm off to Pattaya in the morning, which I only visited once pre-COVID. I hear things have shifted a bit so I might bounce around hotels.

[CaliGuy33]

Join the club. I am not black, more like off white. Bangkok never worked for me. It didn't before Covid and it doesn't now. I speak some Thai and I even tried the Bangkok online Thai website (don't remember the website name, someting beginning wit "fw" I think). I went to meet a girl from that website two hours away at the other side of town and got scammed big time.

I spend all my mongering time in Pattaya. I would leave Thailand asap if I had to live in Bangkok.

I'm in your boat as well. Not black but brown. Just never had success in BKK trying to date or do hookups. So Pattaya has always suited me better. Plus I like being near the water.

[CaliGuy33]

Someone please explain to me why they love Bangkok?

Are you an older gentleman and massages / escorts are your thing?

Are you a straight monger that can't get sex on a normal basis from at least decent looking women back home?

Or, do you live here permanently and have the time to uncover and polish the gems?

Staying anything less than a few months here, and it is a sh*t show IHMO.

So many games, straight up con people, and fake smiles. Not to include what I feel is outright prejudices towards Blacks regardless how you present yourself. I'll be in Thailand for at least another 3 weeks and I can't wait to leave Bangkok this morning. I couldn't even sleep well during the night I was soo pissed that I allowed myself to be jerked around on Soi Cowboy last night. I should have known better. Don't remember the bar, but it is either next to or two doors down from Suzy Wongs. I only got sucked in because NOTHING was looking alluring enough to pay stupid prices and a real cutie SEEMED interested enough that just maybe she'll barfine. If not, no biggie. I'll have a couple drinks with her and bounce. I didn't care to spend a little change for small time chatting and BS'and with a hot young thang.

Each time it was "2" drinks for her. Long story short, I burned $100 in record time. That shock came when I felt barfining here was not an option and asked for the bill. Prices were insane and she said something to the effect that she does not do that. I would have been ok spending half of that, but the quick work to drive the bar tab up left a very bad taste in my mouth. Soi Cowboy will NEVER get one dime from me. It's my first time during this week that I asked about the barfine and then get rejected in a sense.

I did pick up a FL on Suh Thursday night that was good enough for a ST play. Nothing to write home about. The funny thing is she kept saying. You handsome on the ride down the elevator to let her out. If I was soo handsome, why the f*ck didn't you act like it in the session? The service was meh.

I did get an amazing massage at the Health Land in Ekkamai. I got the 90 minute aromatherapy oil massage. I asked for hard pressure and man those little elbows went to work. I felt like a noodle when she finished. It did surprise me when she basically scooted down the underwear they provided. There's no way in hell a man can massage me like that. At one point I tensed as it seemed like she was about to plucker my backside at one point.

So many details, so little desire to type all this stuff out. I appreciate you guys that take the time to list all this stuff. I'll probably post just interesting tidbits going forward. I'm going to try to relax in Rawai / Patong Beach. I need to wash the Bangkok filth away and reset. This has had to be my worst mongering experience ever and I've been at this at least 15 years and 5 continents. However, I do think I would be ok if I lived in Bangkok. I wouldn't ever go in the tourist zones. Lots of women demanding regular relationships online.

For me, I've found that I don't much enjoy the monger experience in Bangkok and basically only do the touristy stuff there. Mongering in Bangkok is extremely overpriced, Pattaya is much better bang for your buck. Last summer I started in Bangkok and had been chatting off TF with a girl and we met for ST and immediately the upselling began, not to mention she had been using extreme filters and so looked nothing like her pics. That left a bad taste in my mouth regarding Bangkok. For me, everything is just much more straight forward and to the point in Pattaya.

As you said, a lot of con people in Bangkok. You have to remember as a foreigner in Thailand you are just a walking dollar sign to everyone. Just be chill about it and enjoy your time there but don't expect meeting genuine people.

We've all had the horrible travel experiences, specifically with working girls. You can't let it ruin your trip, brush it off and move on to the next.

[Lcale1982]

I speak some Thai and I even tried the Bangkok online Thai website (don't remember the website name, someting beginning wit "fw" I think). I went to meet a girl from that website two hours away at the other side of town and got scammed big time.

I believe you're referring to fiwfans ( Does fiw mean something in thai, any one know what that translate too?) I tried a few ladies there and big thing is they're always P.S. To be lighter skin on the images and yea the face is usually fixed up a bit too. Noticed the ones in agencies tend to give better service at least in my experience (tried like 6 ladies). The agencies do just put up a generic ad for all their ladies so everything listed is not always going to be on the menu. You can probably try go to the familiar location (family themed hotel in khlong toei LOL) where a lot of ladies are and confirm the menu before you pay and just walk out and ask booker for another lady.

Yea I heard reviews can be fake too but I wrote a real one here with an unedited photo of what her body looks like. Found that ones that allow pictures are also more experienced and would have better chance of giving you a good time.

https://fiwfans.com/profile/406raeh0yld26a48i

Namphon was my fav from that agency and would repeat when I'm back. She's gotten pretty popular hence the higher rate. Will need to get a pic next time I visit her.

https://fiwfans.com/sideline/406rae6djlae7vdx5

[ElFlaco172]

Made an appointment with Mia at doki doki again for 90 minutes. She looks great as always but she really isn't GFE. I thought I could get through to her this session but no. Always closes her eyes or looks away and DFK is not on on the table. She is shy which made for a more boring session. I also realised that longer sessions are not worth it for me because like they say: "you take too long" so I always ended doing only 1 shot. For the extra 30 minutes, I basically paid for a mediocre thai massage which to be fair was more relaxing than any real thai massage. I really want to try Doki Doki one more time before I leave but most reviews are old or from girls that currently aren't on the line ups. I have my eyes on Champagne or rose but if anyone knows one that is a good GFE and does DFK that would be great.

[Axel Heyst]

How many times going back at least a decade have warned people about Soi Cowboy's notorious rip off "Arab's" Go Go's and still punters fall for the come on pretty girls beckoning outside. I remember Pre-Covid a few idiots even argued that they liked the "Arab"s no barfine Go Go's because the girls were pretty and they enjoyed talking to them. What the fuck! But hey, there are all kinds of people out there. So, this is BKK. You ain't in Kansas, Dorothy. There is no better business bureau to complain to. Let the buyer beware and if you are not aware tough luck.

And yet it is worth mentioning that there are still a few BKK Go Go's worth going to even though their post-Covid prices seem to have hit the stratosphere. Maybe more people will read the negative reports, realize that a short visit can be fairly expensive, and fewer of them will come. Ha Ha. That is the hope anyway, but I am not going to hold my breath waiting for it. With the legalization or decriminalization of weed or whatever you want to call it, I think more people not less are going to visit over the next decade. Oh well. BKK had a good run. I am glad I first came here in'89 even though things then were not as good as they were in the '60's.

[11Bravo]

Someone please explain to me why they love Bangkok?

Are you an older gentleman and massages / escorts are your thing?

Are you a straight monger that can't get sex on a normal basis from at least decent looking women back home?

Or, do you live here permanently and have the time to uncover and polish the gems?

Staying anything less than a few months here, and it is a sh*t show IHMO.

So many games, straight up con people, and fake smiles. Not to include what I feel is outright prejudices towards Blacks regardless how you present yourself. I'll be in Thailand for at least another 3 weeks and I can't wait to leave Bangkok this morning. I couldn't even sleep well during the night I was soo pissed that I allowed myself to be jerked around on Soi Cowboy last night. I should have known better. Don't remember the bar, but it is either next to or two doors down from Suzy Wongs. I only got sucked in because NOTHING was looking alluring enough to pay stupid prices and a real cutie SEEMED interested enough that just maybe she'll barfine. If not, no biggie. I'll have a couple drinks with her and bounce. I didn't care to spend a little change for small time chatting and BS'and with a hot young thang.

Each time it was "2" drinks for her. Long story short, I burned $100 in record time. That shock came when I felt barfining here was not an option and asked for the bill. Prices were insane and she said something to the effect that she does not do that. I would have been ok spending half of that, but the quick work to drive the bar tab up left a very bad taste in my mouth. Soi Cowboy will NEVER get one dime from me. It's my first time during this week that I asked about the barfine and then get rejected in a sense.

I did pick up a FL on Suh Thursday night that was good enough for a ST play. Nothing to write home about. The funny thing is she kept saying. You handsome on the ride down the elevator to let her out. If I was soo handsome, why the f*ck didn't you act like it in the session? The service was meh.

I did get an amazing massage at the Health Land in Ekkamai. I got the 90 minute aromatherapy oil massage. I asked for hard pressure and man those little elbows went to work. I felt like a noodle when she finished. It did surprise me when she basically scooted down the underwear they provided. There's no way in hell a man can massage me like that. At one point I tensed as it seemed like she was about to plucker my backside at one point.

So many details, so little desire to type all this stuff out. I appreciate you guys that take the time to list all this stuff. I'll probably post just interesting tidbits going forward. I'm going to try to relax in Rawai / Patong Beach. I need to wash the Bangkok filth away and reset. This has had to be my worst mongering experience ever and I've been at this at least 15 years and 5 continents. However, I do think I would be ok if I lived in Bangkok. I wouldn't ever go in the tourist zones. Lots of women demanding regular relationships online.

By Cracky, you young whippersnapper, I ought to get out my walker, stand up, and shake my fist at you, but my oxygen tank is getting a bit low, so can't afford the exertion.

Seriously, you sound mad about being played, and, with all due respect, you were played. You said it yourself. Likewise, with due respect, with 15 years and 5 continents experience, you don't know to ask the price FIRST, check the bill at least the first time it comes to see what you're being charged, and check barfine possibility before getting seriously involved with lady drinks? OK, it's not that I'm so smart, not chastising you, those things are just things I have to remind myself to do. I've been played for sure. And I've certainly fallen into that complacent trap; why FR's like yours try and remind me to be careful. Very few advantages of getting old, but gaining experience is one. Reading the last 10 pages here, The Kaiser comes to mind, you're not the first to be snagged, and there's warnings for all. (Isn't that side of Cowboy the Arab's side?) If you understand a bit about Thai culture, smiles are de rigueur, real preferred, but fake acceptable. Been reported here and by Stick that a number of bars define a lady drink as "alcohol AND mixer", 2 drinks.

I like it because most every girl I meet calls me a "hansum man", and I just know they're telling the truth, but for some strange reason, none can look me in the eyes when saying it. Strange, must be a Thai custom. I've never been a resident here, but 30 years visiting, BKK does feel familiar. I still know how to get around, the public transportation system has grown amazingly, and I find the changes (mostly) interesting. The city is alive, the food is fantastic (though I can't see coming to Thailand and NOT always eating Thai food). And look at it this way, you made some lady happy, so why so selfish? Sanuk. Some things I don't like: Dunkin Donuts no longer sells the chocolate Bavarian, SOL seems to have closed, Bier Garden is a shell of itself, and Viva 26 bar at Chatachak is GONE. And these days, I think if you come here SOLELY for the gogo scene, you will be disappointed, especially if you're familiar with, as Goatscot says, 25 years ago. As the Thais say, "same, same, but different". Plenty of things to see up-country, history, temples, and all. BKK is a good jumping off point for other countries, though Myanmar seems to me no-go right now. But Malaysia, Laos, Cambodia, VietNam (still have to check out the 'Nastyland one of my trips).

My solution: go get a salt tapping at Sakura Akasuri up on Soi 55, step over to Foodland's Took Lae Dee restaurant a couple blocks further down, sit at the counter, have a decent Thai meal and watch the chefs working, then walk a couple more blocks down to &Ampersand on the corner of 55 and soi 13, for some FANTASTIC gelato (OK, so much for my ONLY Thai food, I'm NOT a fanatic). Hey, it's ice cream, who doesn't like ice cream?

I spent a month there and had a great time. Well mostly; at least you haven't caught Covid ....

[XXL]

Someone please explain to me why they love Bangkok?

Are you an older gentleman and massages / escorts are your thing?

Are you a straight monger that can't get sex on a normal basis from at least decent looking women back home?

Or, do you live here permanently and have the time to uncover and polish the gems?

Staying anything less than a few months here, and it is a sh*t show IHMO.

So many games, straight up con people, and fake smiles. Not to include what I feel is outright prejudices towards Blacks regardless how you present yourself. I'll be in Thailand for at least another 3 weeks and I can't wait to leave Bangkok this morning. I couldn't even sleep well during the night I was soo pissed that I allowed myself to be jerked around on Soi Cowboy last night. I should have known better. Don't remember the bar, but it is either next to or two doors down from Suzy Wongs. I only got sucked in because NOTHING was looking alluring enough to pay stupid prices and a real cutie SEEMED interested enough that just maybe she'll barfine. If not, no biggie. I'll have a couple drinks with her and bounce. I didn't care to spend a little change for small time chatting and BS'and with a hot young thang.

Each time it was "2" drinks for her. Long story short, I burned $100 in record time. That shock came when I felt barfining here was not an option and asked for the bill. Prices were insane and she said something to the effect that she does not do that. I would have been ok spending half of that, but the quick work to drive the bar tab up left a very bad taste in my mouth. Soi Cowboy will NEVER get one dime from me....

...

Join the club. I am not black, more like off white. Bangkok never worked for me. It didn't before Covid and it doesn't now. I speak some Thai and I even tried the Bangkok online Thai website (don't remember the website name, someting beginning wit "fw" I think). I went to meet a girl from that website two hours away at the other side of town and got scammed big time.

I spend all my mongering time in Pattaya. I would leave Thailand asap if I had to live in Bangkok.