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[11Bravo]

I get a sense this goes beyond the dating market, that Thais in general respect Farang far less than 10-20 years ago. We have dropped a few rungs in the social hierarchy. In the past, Farang had a significant undeserved boost in status, right now we're about where we should be, but given the trend, I'm afraid in a few years we'll be too low for comfort, perhaps on par with where Indian men are today.

In an egalitarian society where casual racism is considered unacceptable, I wouldn't be too concerned. However, in a hierarchical place like Thailand, status matters way more than is immediately obvious.

I kind of agree, but I think it's also due to the sheer number of Farang's here now. 25 years ago, Sukhumvit Soi 55 was nothing but shop houses. You could walk the length and not see any foreigners. Last year, I swear, there were blocks when I didn't see any THAIS, and this was pre-virus. Walking down lower Sukhumvit 25 years ago, you passed a Thai girl (not P4 P, but civilian), smiled, and you got a smile in return. Now? Like any big, modern city, other people are just blobs of meat to go by as you're on the way somewhere. No eye contact, no smile, or at least a lot less. Don't want to fully blame mobile phones, but certainly less person to person. A number busy on their phones.

The times they are a'changing.

It rhymes with hysteria.

Sorry, I'm a bit thick, with no rhyming skills. Bit of help, please.

[11Bravo]

Get your last few mongering fucks in now, before the spread is too serious, ha ha? Hookers are already struggling badly to pay the bills.

My regular might want to come to my Hotel in Bangkok (assuming I stay in BKK), since her normal work avenues have probably dried up badly.

Can guys still get BBBJ or has that dried up as well? I haven't mongered for a period, so I don't know what the real situation is other than what girls tell me by message.

Visited Tulip today. Ying told me that she didn't have ANY customers from 13:00 to midnight yesterday. If I understood her correctly, there were no customers for any of the girls.

Have received BBBJ's many times in the past 2 weeks, noticeable exception Doki Doki. And not just from SOL, World, etc. Plenty of other establishments offering such.

[11Bravo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYo0lVVH2wU

Thanks, that's the one.

Reading the recent posts across most of the Asian threads seems like it sucks to be a middle aged white male, can't even get a smile from a attractive Asian girl under 30

How in the world did you come to that conclusion based on what you've read here? LOL.

I am quite certain just about any of the punters who get a cold shoulder non response from one of the 5% or so snotty Thermae gurls or a preoccupied smartphone game playing massage shop girl can within minutes score a very hot and eager to please early 20's go-go girl or beer bar girl for True GFE/Real Sex (bareback), something I suspect virtually nobody gets from the snotty 5% Thermae girls at any price anyway, if that is what they require for the evening. Same as I can do any day or night of the week.

As EihYoom says, one that doesn't smile, 9 that do. I could have taken 3 steps in either direction and found a cutie (there were several). Or walked 1/2 block in either direction and been successful. Or jumped on the Skytrain (it'll always be Skytrain to me, not BTS), 1 stop, and I know a stunner with a DAZZLING smile.

What I DON'T understand is the age hangup. If a girl LOOKS mid-twenties to me, what do I care what her ID card actually says, if it's mid-thirties? I'm NOT the census bureau. She IS 25 to me.

Long time ago, Dubai York bar, I approached a couple of PRC's. Spoke to one, she looked at me and said, "You too old", and walked away. (No harm, no foul.) But her friend stepped up. Grabbed my arm and said, "Don't worry, she CRAZY, she not understand. Young man want to f*ck all night, hard work. Old man want to f*ck one time, then sleep. Good work. I LIKE old man. " Had me laughing out-loud even if I did have to prove her wrong. It was twice before I fell asleep, with a morning wake-up.

For some of us, maybe because we are older and have been there and done that so often already, that likely level of service is not enough for us to fall for it again just to take pride in being seen walking off with the best looker in the room.

So true. Been there, done that, lesson learned, and I try hard to remember it. Nothing better than a cute smiling face looking up at you, or back at you in the mirror. My self-esteem is just fine without any artificial props.

[Leticia]

We arrived to Nana Plaza around 19:30, at that time girls still eating their dinner on balconies and more ladies arriving. Still happy hour so got a few cheaper beers in beer garden and watched people. Around 20:30 more farangs coming in and we moved to:

Angelwitch. Last year our favorite bar due rock music and atmosphere. This year same mammasan, same DJ, same security but it was bad. Girls except main dancer mostly bad, uninterested or simply ugly / fat with serious orange skin. They played disco songs and choreo was worst than elementary school theater. Got 1 happy hour beer and run away, disappointment.

Spankys: mainly hotties, good shows (especially the one with cucumber), friendly security and mix of younger / older customers, fun and ladies seemed to enjoy. We were looking for lady to potentially join us for threesome and felt we would be able to find willing and suitable one. Tipped one in shower tub and got hot soapy show. Enjoyed watching other people and generally female friendly place as well.

We left for Soi Cowboy and went to:

Suzie Wong: pretty full, more female customers than anywhere else, watched the strange ping-pong performance, lesbian show (full naked, pussy licking). Had a few beers and wanted to see more bars to compare.

Barracuda: Worst, girls with in swimsuit bra and skirt, totally bored, uninterested, felt like forced adult entertainment. Quick drink and off.

Dollyhouse: Only a few uninterested girls, not a single hottie, felt they are totally bored. Managed to get out without a need to buy an overpriced drink.

Suzie Wong: Went back, 1 AM, had few more drinks, spotted two hotties which we wanted to call to join us. Other couple was faster however suddenly 2 other girls came to us, one asked me to dance (I agreed) and the other sat next to my boyfriend and asked if I don't mind which I didn't. After a few seconds of dance with my lady she started to kiss me, very sensually and very good technique. She sat on my lap and we cuddled. Unfortunately she was in swimsuit and her bra was heavily padded so too small boobs for my taste, the other one trying to warm up my boyfriend however she was not pretty at all and a bit pushy. He did not enjoy. We bought them ladydrinks (220 baths each), and kept them for more fun. Mine was really into lesbian action, she enjoyed and probably likes ladies more. We paid one more lady drink and left because the other one was too pushy and not turned on my guy. We were tired after long flight but ladies if you are looking for companion and genuine experience I would opt for Suzie.

With regards to crowds. We enjoyed less smoking rude Chinese customers otherwise it is still lively place and no coronavirus hysteria.

[Berrys66]

Getting a steady stream of big breasted attractive Thai women on my fb account so they re about there looking for some kind of action. Can't be sure if they're pros or semi pros but will be fun finding out.

[Crocodilexp]

The reason many of us moved here in our mid-30's was because we saw the 50 and 60 year old dudes with the best gals, which was the case 20 years ago. It gave you peace of mind that your golden years would be full of great looking p4 p gals. Sadly, that is not the case now. Ageism is now a huge factor here.

Well said. I moved to Thailand in my late 20's and I remember being mildly annoyed I was getting roughly the same quality girls, mostly from the same pool, as 50 year old Farang geezers (and I'm not talking rich or smooth ones). On the other hand, the thought that I'd have a similar privilege in my 50's was comforting. Alas, it was not to be.

I get a sense this goes beyond the dating market, that Thais in general respect Farang far less than 10-20 years ago. We have dropped a few rungs in the social hierarchy. In the past, Farang had a significant undeserved boost in status, right now we're about where we should be, but given the trend, I'm afraid in a few years we'll be too low for comfort, perhaps on par with where Indian men are today.

In an egalitarian society where casual racism is considered unacceptable, I wouldn't be too concerned. However, in a hierarchical place like Thailand, status matters way more than is immediately obvious.

[EihTooms]

The reason many of us moved here in our mid-30's was because we saw the 50 and 60 year old dudes with the best gals, which was the case 20 years ago. It gave you peace of mind that your golden years would be full of great looking p4 p gals. Sadly, that is not the case now. Ageism is now a huge factor here.

Are you talking about regular girlfriends and live ins? Because I really don't see ageism interfering with ordinary P4 P encounters. Not for men under age 80 or something, that is.

I see some of the best looking girls in the bars sitting ON, drinking with and leaving with some pretty damn out of shape old dudes of all ethnicities. I rarely see one holding out for the youngest, best looking men in the bar. And I see some lovely young things sitting in, say, Monsoon with farangs who look like they could be my dad. Possibly escorts or other dating site meet ups.

The cold shoulder for farangs (of any age) from the best lookers in places like Thermae or 2-3 go-go bars around town are exceptions.

And, as you have pointed out, some of that is due to the fact that the girls in venues with predominantly Asian clientele don't want to be seen flirting with or, god forbid, leaving with a farang for fear of being put on a "No Fly List" by their Asian customers overly sensitive about such things.

[Goatscrot]

That's because most of the Farang here are well above what I would consider middle aged and they never take it in to consideration that being in their late 50's and above may have something to do with the reason why they can't get the best girls.

The reason many of us moved here in our mid-30's was because we saw the 50 and 60 year old dudes with the best gals, which was the case 20 years ago. It gave you peace of mind that your golden years would be full of great looking p4 p gals. Sadly, that is not the case now. Ageism is now a huge factor here.

[Rick5641]

I know right now girls are little bit arrogant because they know we're all butterfly and we come just to fuck them for cheap money!

Now, there is a thing I do to be sure the girl will love and to have great session with her! Usually I take only very sexy girl, even if she's a fucking ***** or not! Of course I pay them 1 or 2 drinks, so she has to speak. And then I start to play the very good guy! Each time I go in new gogo, and I say each time that I just arrive today, that it's my first time in Thailand, that I visit all Thailand for 1 month! I start to say that I love Thai people, that everybody is very nice with me! I say that I never make love before with a Thai woman! I play the boy who single, for 6 months because bad girl in my country let me alone! I say that I didn't have sex more than 1 year!

I say that I just would like meet a nice girl, that I would be very happy to invite her for shopping, restaurant. And you know what? It works very well!

When it's in a gogo in BKK, I bring them to my hotel for short time, I say that I m very tired and I want sleep so that why I book her for short time! Each time she gives me her line! I buy few drinks and chips in 7/11 before I go my room! Each time, I play the man in love, I pay her directly when we enter my room!

And each time it s perfect session, and at 99% girls let me fuck them bareback! They even don't ask me to put a condom and I love to creampie them!

Surprised to see guys in modern era still fuck bareback to WG! Aren't you afraid?

[EihTooms]

I know right now girls are little bit arrogant because they know we're all butterfly and we come just to fuck them for cheap money!

Now, there is a thing I do to be sure the girl will love and to have great session with her! Usually I take only very sexy girl, even if she's a fucking ***** or not! Of course I pay them 1 or 2 drinks, so she has to speak. And then I start to play the very good guy! Each time I go in new gogo, and I say each time that I just arrive today, that it's my first time in Thailand, that I visit all Thailand for 1 month! I start to say that I love Thai people, that everybody is very nice with me! I say that I never make love before with a Thai woman! I play the boy who single, for 6 months because bad girl in my country let me alone! I say that I didn't have sex more than 1 year!

I say that I just would like meet a nice girl, that I would be very happy to invite her for shopping, restaurant. And you know what? It works very well!

When it's in a gogo in BKK, I bring them to my hotel for short time, I say that I m very tired and I want sleep so that why I book her for short time! Each time she gives me her line! I buy few drinks and chips in 7/11 before I go my room! Each time, I play the man in love, I pay her directly when we enter my room!

And each time it s perfect session, and at 99% girls let me fuck them bareback! They even don't ask me to put a condom and I love to creampie them!

I absolutely agree with your overall approach to successfully getting a True GFE/Real Sex session, meaning BBFS+CIP. In fact, I know several punters who play the game exactly that way in order to greatly improve their chances of getting BBFS+CIP.

It isn't necessary or advisable to go that route if you are fine with basic, standard condom covered service from the girls. But if you want BBFS+CIP quality service, I know your approach works well for many.

Unfortunately, I live in Ground Zero of the Bangkok red light district and the working girls here have seen me coming and going with all manner of other working girls and regular girls. LOL. So that "newbie, never had much sex" act won't work for me.

[MeatMan]

Reading the recent posts across most of the Asian threads seems like it sucks to be a middle aged white male, can't even get a smile from a attractive Asian girl under 30, seems like you guys are going down the path of being a Indian male equivalent on the social sexual scale of desirability. Seems the go to defense is cry racism when its simply the females exercising their right of preference, this naturally goes with the racist explanation of 333 as being the reason for this preference.

Well, I'm Black-American and I've have gotten very mild racism from very few women in Thailand. There was one time I happened to get off at Surasak Station to meet a friend. When I passed the turnstile to exit, there was one Thai woman who I passed who held her nose as if I stunk. There was another time I was on my way to Santika in a taxi (before the Santika fire) to meet up with a girl I met off Tagged. 'The boys in brown' stopped the cab and asked me to exit. They searched me for drugs which of course, I had none. They asked for my passport and when I showed them, they were all smiles and let me go. If you've been here long enough in Thailand, you can obviously source where the blame comes from. It rhymes with hysteria.

[EihTooms]

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That's because most of the Farang here are well above what I would consider middle aged and they never take it in to consideration that being in their late 50's and above may have something to do with the reason why they can't get the best girls.

LOL. I think you are still missing the point. Getting the best (looking?) girls to go with you, me or just about anyone reading this in Thailand is one of the easiest challenges to meet in the P4P World. As long as you are willing to pay her going rate and accept the level of service such girls will almost certainly deliver.

For some of us, maybe because we are older and have been there and done that so often already, that likely level of service is not enough for us to fall for it again just to take pride in being seen walking off with the best looker in the room.

[EihTooms]

Might be good advice to me, since the ones I approach usually don't want me (or are clueless on the bed), and the ones who obviously want me, are usually not my choice. Easier for me not to waste time visiting the Thermae.
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My P4P source preferences generally revolve around online Booty Call/FL/Dating sites (I maintain long term paid subscriptions to ThaiCupid, ThaiFriendly and Tinder), FLs on the street or in bars, go-go bar girls and beer bar girls. I am not generally a soapy, massage shop, PSE shop or disco club guy.

I should add that it does not serve my ultimate service level goals and requirements well (mostly BBFS+CIP, secondarily a BBBJ+CIM, preferably and ideally with a Swallow finish but acceptable without on first encounter) to zero in on the best looker in the room or among the top 5% best lookers in the room in order to regularly acheive those goals in a relatively logical, practical, sane and finacially viable way. Not just in Thermae. Anywhere. I am happy to draw from the top 6% - 20% best lookers in the room for that. LOL.

So my ongoing observations and experiences on the ground during this extraordinary time are drawn mostly from any changes I might detect from those above mentioned options.

With those parameters in place, here are some changes I have already noticed as an expat living here these days and as I make my rounds as usual:

1. I am getting a LOT more than normal hits from very good looking FLs on Tinder. Ordinarily, I might be lucky to get 3-4 unsolicited hits from real female lookers per week on Tinder. I am getting that many every other day now. I am getting a couple more than usual such unsolicited hits on ThaiFriendly but not as dramatic a jump as on Tinder. No real noticeable change on ThaiCupid.

2. I get more lingering stares and smiles from presumably regular, non P4P girls working or shopping in the malls, at restaurants, etc.

3. I am seeing new and imo much better looking than usual FLs walking on Sukhumvit and standing in Soi 4. And they are far more demonstrably smiling, speaking to me and lobbying for my attention when I pass by, something the best lookers on those strolls rarely did more than a cursory smile in response to my smiling and speaking to them.

4. Not much noticable change for me in the welcome or, most importantly, the service level negotiation results in the go-go bars and beer bars, except in the below #5 way.

5. I am getting swamped by out of the blue Line message requests from girls I'd been with only 1-2 times from the dating sites and go-go bars needing to see me again because they "miss me so much." I am talking about better looking than most girls I had BBFS+CIP with but whose overall chemistry with me was too lacking for me to go for seconds or more. Apparently, some of them have realized they should have expressed their genuine love and appreciation for me more fully and sincerely at the time and would really like another opportunity to do so as soon as possible 😉.

There are definite changes occuring during this time. I will update more where it applies as time goes on.

[Franciscass]

While chances of catching the virus are still minimal I now insist girls wash their hands thoroughly whether it's just a normal massage or full service.

Kissing is out and any hint of coughing or sneezing and I'm nowhere her face, think doggy style, reverse cowboy flat on her stomach upside down whatever. All a bit OTT I know but it works for me. Also important letting her believe this is exactly how you like it to avoid any negative vibe for her.

[Banana Boi]

News reports 5000 hookers about to return from South Korea. Might not be a great time for mongering.

Are they voluntarily returning to Thailand because of the coronavirus or are their visas not being renewed after 90 days? I know quite a few gogo girls currently working in Seoul, Busan, and Daegu.

there is a thing I do to be sure the girl will love and to have great session with her! Usually I take only very sexy girl, even if she's a fucking ***** or not! Of course I pay them 1 or 2 drinks, so she has to speak. And then I start to play the very good guy! Each time I go in new gogo, and I say each time that I just arrive today, that it's my first time in Thailand, that I visit all Thailand for 1 month! I start to say that I love Thai people, that everybody is very nice with me! I say that I never make love before with a Thai woman! I play the boy who single, for 6 months because bad girl in my country let me alone! I say that I didn't have sex more than 1 year!

I say that I just would like meet a nice girl, that I would be very happy to invite her for shopping, restaurant. And you know what? It works very well!

This is the total opposite of what I would do especially with gogo girls. Once they smell you out as a newbie and they know you like them they will take you for everything you have. imo better to say you have been to Thailand before and talk like you know what you are doing. But if your technique works for you keep at it. We all do things differently.

most of the Asian threads seems like it sucks to be a middle aged white male, can't even get a smile from a attractive Asian girl under 30

That's because most of the Farang here are well above what I would consider middle aged and they never take it in to consideration that being in their late 50's and above may have something to do with the reason why they can't get the best girls.