Bangkok Reports

[Montani]

Well, first time to Bangkok, and while I like the city, the people and culture, the Nana plaza area, for me, is a rat hole. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if fried rat is being served at some of the street vendor grills. Along with fried cockroaches. I wandered into the Nana Plaza proper a few times and couldn't believe the nasty, nasty atmosphere along with every two bit hustler trying to sell you sunglasses, beads, assorted bric-a-brac and other useless crap. Please. Anyway, wandered around the corner to buy a bottle of water to drink from the 7-11 for the equivalent of 50 cents rather than pay the equivalent of 7 dollars at one of the disgusting, crowded bars that play Rap music. Jesus, help me, effing Rap,. And then sat in dismay on a bench up the way from Hooters. While pondering this sad state of affairs, a nice Thai girl from up north, an older unit country girl, sat next to me and nervously eyed me. Finally, I broke the ice and asked her name, where she from, etc. After some chat, I offered to buy her something to eat further down the Suki at a 24 hour cafe / massage parlor. We passed the fat, chain smoking Russian girl on the way. Later, we went back to the Dynasty Inn (also disgusting) for a multi hour romp. She turned out to be the freak of the week, in a good way if one is into bent perversion, such as myself. She went home at daybreak with 2000 Baht and happy. No complaining.

[Zman429]

Regardless, they still want money.

Still a great catch when you find one. Ran into one at 5 am getting coffee at Holly's Coffee shop. Looked like her friend talked her into it.

And yes she wanted some money but she was totally dtf didn't leave till 11 am after several rounds of mayhem. Paid her 1500 baht. Took me a day to recover.

[ParkVille]

Regardless, they still want money.

Women. Can't live with them.

[Smoothy]

There are fun girls existing out there if they can be found. There are girls that like a good fucking.

Regardless, they still want money.

[Syzygies]

Yes, but I wouldn't put much stock in the part about it all depending on how you treat the girl and feeling sparks in the bar. Sure, it can be a memorable experience when the stars and moon line up, you treat her really well, she reciprocates accordingly, the sparks fly even more in the room than they did in the bar and they flew really well there. But more often than not all those factors have no more relationship one to another than the real stars and moon. It is just a pleasant coincidence we choose to believe had some causal connection. But really didn't.

Some of the worst P4P experiences I have had in Thailand followed me treating the girl really well and sparks flying so strong in the bar my eyebrows got burnt. The girl just had a different agenda in mind that night no matter what I brought to the party.

I think their are a few factors that show some correlation with a good time. It is not totally random. There are fun girls existing out there if they can be found. There are girls that like a good fucking. There are girls that get into the mood and get it off. Most of my girls can have an orgasm at least sometimes, if not every time. Those that cum very easily almost always cum. Those that cum with difficulty sometimes are in the mood and get there.

There are no universal recipes no guarantees.

I find that the shorter the amount of time you have known a girl for, the more you are trusting to shear luck. I have a better success rate with girls that I have sussed out over multiple visits before actually fucking her. Not all of us have that much time. Two of my regular bargirls I really knew for some time before first sex. Check out if the girl seems to have any regular customers and are they in any way similar to myself. Girls that have many regulars usually have them for a reason.

Next I believe you have to find girls where you are her preferred type. No use getting a girl that likes young spunky guys or Japanese. No use for me to get a girl that is used to small dicks. There are plenty of girls that prefer older Farangs. It is best to get a girl preferring Farangs for several years. I have much better success rate with mothers with low to unnoticeable damage. Only one of my regular girls is not a mother. Partly coincidence since several of my non-mothers disappeared off the radar in the last year. This is not for everyone, but know your preferred types. I don't like bad deterioration of the figure due to a child whether gross scars, medium stretching marks or sag bags. I do tolerate very small tits quite well, but not deflated bags.

Very inhibited girls are not likely to be good without a few drinks. Many girls need some level of intoxication. Sus out how a girl changes with a few drinks.

Very experienced girls are generally much better than newbies or girls with low experience. A virgin just does not know what to do. Has no skills, does not know how to give a decent BBBJ, etc. , is scared rather than relaxed.

It is definitely more likely to do well with girls that give a great DFK. Excellent DFK in the bar is definitely a positive sign even if this is hard to come by.

Despite finding any ways to get an advantage at all, there is still a significant risk. They is still the problem of finding girls with the right looks. It is still a lot easier just to repeat the known good performers. The number of new girls I tried this year was quite low, and those that were somewhat rushed decisions were almost all mistakes or not worth repeating. I definitely had more shear luck with new girls tried last year. I also recognise that I am going downhill. I was happy with a higher proportion of girls when I was younger, or more tolerant of difficulties and lack of skills. It is much more easy for me to lose the interest in the modern day.

Very lovey dovey and kissy girls still rarely are bad. Just did not find enough of those this year.

A girl just met that appears to be very keen, is not a great sign at all, since as ET and others point out, she can be just very keen to get your money. A girl could see you glance at her (e.g. in the Thermae) and give a very big inviting smile back, but means nothing to me. O.K. She does not hate me (yet). However me liking to take huge time to get to know girls before making a decision is probably not very compatible with the way Thermae works. Also I don't like how the girl is so surrounded by her girlfriends. I can't ask the girl to come and sit on my lap for a while, and to show me her tits. LOL Plenty of girls there are hooking their fish within a couple of minutes.

[GreenBud]

The tour is full of hits and misses. It is what makes it fun.

Fun? I wouldn't go that far. LOL!

So guys there is no guarantee and so just play the odds. Some hits and misses are all part of P4 P so accept it and move on to the next hit.

Definitely a good advice!

In my earlier days, I would get angry, and my day would be ruined. A few times I reacted negatively to the girl, "forcing" the girl to react back, resulting in bad vibes for all.

[Axiata]

Unfortunately this is too true in my experience too. Some of the girls are great marketeers. As ET says the sparks are flying! And then, in the room a complete starfish. Or not even accept the offer to barfine as they were just in it for the drinks. I even had that experience in a beer bar. This is one more reason the guys are pining for "the good old days".

The tour is full of hits and misses. It is what makes it fun. You never really know what you will get and sometimes the ones you think will be duds end up being stars. I have an MO (works for me) to try and reduce the odds of a starfish or waste of drinks. When they ask to be barfined or taken home from clubs I am pretty direct. I ask can they perform and what will they do for the money. It sounds very transactional but remember that you are a walking ATM so if you are going to dispense cash you need to know what you are buying (renting in this case). I also promise a tip if they perform to what they claim. It does not always guarantee a result but I have more hits than misses these days. My last trip the BKK I was being marketed to in a bar by a stunning girl and I usually leave the really attractive ones as they are usually the worst performers. However I was keen to taste so we spent about 15 minutes agreeing to terms and conditions. Yes there was little chemistry initially and it was all about the money. But once the deal was set (LT) we then proceeded to have a fun night that included bar hoping and dancing. Complete GFE who stayed well into the late afternoon. It was a total surprise and money well spent (IMHO).

So guys there is no guarantee and so just play the odds. Some hits and misses are all part of P4 P so accept it and move on to the next hit.

Happy Hunting.

[Crazy4Thai]

Some of the worst P4P experiences I have had in Thailand followed me treating the girl really well and sparks flying so strong in the bar my eyebrows got burnt. The girl just had a different agenda in mind that night no matter what I brought to the party.

Unfortunately this is too true in my experience too. Some of the girls are great marketeers. As ET says the sparks are flying! And then, in the room a complete starfish. Or not even accept the offer to barfine as they were just in it for the drinks. I even had that experience in a beer bar. This is one more reason the guys are pining for "the good old days".

[EihTooms]

I can understand that clients do buy a drink for the mamasan or a waitress just like any other customer who would drink a beverage in a regular bar and buy a drink for the waitress or bartender due to some good interaction and that they have provided good service. I can also imagine that there are customers that are nervous, drunk or want to be popular for some reason and buy drinks or tip whether or not generous to mamasans / waitresses. The most logical reason of buying a drink or perhaps even tipping the mamasan to me is that when you are a regular.

Whatever the mamasan tells you, when you bring the WG home there's a possibility that she sucks your pink poodle so hard that the bed sheet start to go up your ass. There's also the possibility the WG bites Mr Sniffles in half. I think that it all depends on how you treat the girl and whether there's a spark you could catch during the interaction with the WG before deciding to take her out for action.

Yes, but I wouldn't put much stock in the part about it all depending on how you treat the girl and feeling sparks in the bar. Sure, it can be a memorable experience when the stars and moon line up, you treat her really well, she reciprocates accordingly, the sparks fly even more in the room than they did in the bar and they flew really well there. But more often than not all those factors have no more relationship one to another than the real stars and moon. It is just a pleasant coincidence we choose to believe had some causal connection. But really didn't.

Some of the worst P4P experiences I have had in Thailand followed me treating the girl really well and sparks flying so strong in the bar my eyebrows got burnt. The girl just had a different agenda in mind that night no matter what I brought to the party.

[Hiete]

I am with you on this. Nobody who has never been in a hotel room with a girl and her customer knows a damn thing about what that girl does or doesn't do unless you can actually get a waitress or a mamasan to tell you this or that girl gets tons of complaints from customers who return to the bar asking for refunds often or something. I doubt anyone would tell you such a thing even if they knew it to be true, which they probably don't since I don't even believe they pay all that much attention to anything like that. I used to ask mamasans which girls tend to get a lot of repeat customers, thinking that would certainly tell me something about the girl's work ethic. First reaction from a mamasan to a question like that is to screw up her face and wonder why on earth anyone would want to know such a thing and they have no idea which girls get a lot of repeat customers. Or they will say EVERY girl you ask about gets a lot of repeat customers. Total waste of time.

The two biggest, most ridiculous waste of time go-go dancers I have paid a barfine for and taken out in the past year were the result of foolishly taking the mamasan's word for it that they were good girls who really take care of their customers. lol.

I have often wondered if there is some magical advantage to asking a mamasan to call down a certain girl for me rather than do what you (and I) do; just make eye contact from the stage and gesture for her to come over now or after her set. I see other guys doing chatting with the mamasan and gesturing to this or that girl, then the mamasan shines her pin light on the girl and call her down for the guy. But I don't see those guys establishing wonderful chemistry, closing deals with girls and walking out with them after a LD or two any more often than if they had just done what I do.

On the mamasan tip or Lady Drink, I must have done it 2-3 times early in my time living in Bangkok. I can't say I never do it anymore but it is very rare. Not even sure what makes me ok with doing it now unless there is just something cute or clever about the way the mamasan asks for it. That has happened. But most of the time I just level my gaze back at the mamasan, smile and simply say, "Next time." But that next time never comes. They all know what "Next time" means. It means no. And they seem to accept it just fine. I have never noticed my not tipping or not buying a mamasan a LD having anything to do with how successful my time is with the girl back in my room. If anything, I feel like my not falling for it but just playfully shrugging off the mamasan's request shows the girl sitting next to me that I am not a chump willing to just throw away money for nothing.

I can understand that clients do buy a drink for the mamasan or a waitress just like any other customer who would drink a beverage in a regular bar and buy a drink for the waitress or bartender due to some good interaction and that they have provided good service. I can also imagine that there are customers that are nervous, drunk or want to be popular for some reason and buy drinks or tip whether or not generous to mamasans / waitresses. The most logical reason of buying a drink or perhaps even tipping the mamasan to me is that when you are a regular.

Whatever the mamasan tells you, when you bring the WG home there's a possibility that she sucks your pink poodle so hard that the bed sheet start to go up your ass. There's also the possibility the WG bites Mr Sniffles in half. I think that it all depends on how you treat the girl and whether there's a spark you could catch during the interaction with the WG before deciding to take her out for action.

[Deeepster]

Interesting. Didn't know that.

On a side note: I've seen some really crazy fake IDs out there. I even met a guy who said he can fabricate an LAPD badge and showed me photos too. Cray city this BKK.

The junta government trying to clean up, have a look at MBK now, its been raided several times and the Gucci, Chanel, Prada, Rayban and Oakleys aint easy to find.

Several stall have closed.

About the badge, it might be real one, a thing in a photo is kind of useless, its nothing but a photo. Not saying that the guy couldn't provide you with one, but for sure it won't be cheap.

I was offered to buy a Fake Thai ID card and one Thai drivers license for Motorbike and one for car for 6000 Baht, it was a security guard at Kings castle Patpong, that needed Christmas money.

[Kerrstar]

On the mamasan tip or Lady Drink, I must have done it 2-3 times early in my time living in Bangkok. I can't say I never do it anymore but it is very rare.

I buy the mamasan a drink in After Skool if I go there, whether I take a girl out or get a BJ there. I've been going there for many, many years so I don't mind. I don't go there often these days, maybe every 6 months, so it's not costing me a lot. I do it more out of habit.

[Bad Duck]

Its not that easy anymore, if its temporary or not I don't know for sure though.

About six months ago it was 6-8 diffrent ones that would make a descent fake idcard (not the fake Student or Presscard ID) for about 500-700 baht at Kh. San road.

Nowadays you would be lucky to find 2 since there been numerous of crackdowns by The Royal Thai police officers that demands higher "teamoney" fines.

And for sure the prices have gone up to at least 1500 baht or more and also longer waiting time to collect your card / s.

Interesting. Didn't know that.

On a side note: I've seen some really crazy fake IDs out there. I even met a guy who said he can fabricate an LAPD badge and showed me photos too. Cray city this BKK.

[EihTooms]

As my trip to Bangkok is getting nearer I was wondering about the differences between the mamasans and waitresses working in go-go bars and how to treat them right.

I have been going to BKK a few times now and of all choices (Oily and Soapy MP's, FL, Beer bars, Dating sites, .) I have to say that the Go-Go bars are my favorite place to look for WG). Even though I spend most of my time in the gogo's and having read some posts here on this forum, I can't even see the difference between the mamasan and the waitresses in all places. Places like in Crazy House I have noticed the Mamasan but in other places such as Shark and Billboard which are two of the other places I like to spend time in I might have overlooked the mamasan. Perhaps I'm not paying too much attention what's going on in the bars except for what's happening on stage.

Usually I lay my eyes on a girl that I like on stage and wait until she comes over without asking anybody to bring her to me. I usually let the girl understand to come over to me while she's on stage. I believe that I have asked a waiter once to get somebody off the stage only as I couldn't wait any longer as she kept on dancing!

I personally don't think that there are advantages to ask the mamasan or other personnel anything about the girls who are on stage.

I think that at the end, we have a pair of eyes and we can ask the girl anything we want her to ask while offering her a LD. After some small talk you can conclude whether there's chemistry between the girl and you or not prior to taking her out for a good time.

I have never left a tip in the cases I took a girl out or it must be the change of the bill that I leave behind.

I don't consider myself as a stingy person. I just don't see the use to tip a waiter / mamasan if they haven't provided me any services (Except for bringing me my order) in order to choose the girl. I'm a conversationalist but in such venues I'm not the type of person that needs to chat with anybody else but the WG. At the end I'm paying my BF plus the ST / LT fee. It happens that from time to time I may order a drink to the waitress as well. Usually it doesn't happen often that waitresses or mamasans or whoever they are are pushy with me. The ones who are pushy I simply ignore.

I must say that I have never felt any discontent of anybody in the bar when I took a girl out but reading some stories I see people paying 300 bath or more to the mamasan or waitress.

Perhaps I might be wrong in the way I'm dealing with it and if there is some sort of etiquette then I'm interested to hear about it. I think that most probably every single one of us has their own way of dealing with it and perhaps the need to have a chat with others as well which is course is totally fine.

I am with you on this. Nobody who has never been in a hotel room with a girl and her customer knows a damn thing about what that girl does or doesn't do unless you can actually get a waitress or a mamasan to tell you this or that girl gets tons of complaints from customers who return to the bar asking for refunds often or something. I doubt anyone would tell you such a thing even if they knew it to be true, which they probably don't since I don't even believe they pay all that much attention to anything like that. I used to ask mamasans which girls tend to get a lot of repeat customers, thinking that would certainly tell me something about the girl's work ethic. First reaction from a mamasan to a question like that is to screw up her face and wonder why on earth anyone would want to know such a thing and they have no idea which girls get a lot of repeat customers. Or they will say EVERY girl you ask about gets a lot of repeat customers. Total waste of time.

The two biggest, most ridiculous waste of time go-go dancers I have paid a barfine for and taken out in the past year were the result of foolishly taking the mamasan's word for it that they were good girls who really take care of their customers. lol.

I have often wondered if there is some magical advantage to asking a mamasan to call down a certain girl for me rather than do what you (and I) do; just make eye contact from the stage and gesture for her to come over now or after her set. I see other guys doing chatting with the mamasan and gesturing to this or that girl, then the mamasan shines her pin light on the girl and call her down for the guy. But I don't see those guys establishing wonderful chemistry, closing deals with girls and walking out with them after a LD or two any more often than if they had just done what I do.

On the mamasan tip or Lady Drink, I must have done it 2-3 times early in my time living in Bangkok. I can't say I never do it anymore but it is very rare. Not even sure what makes me ok with doing it now unless there is just something cute or clever about the way the mamasan asks for it. That has happened. But most of the time I just level my gaze back at the mamasan, smile and simply say, "Next time." But that next time never comes. They all know what "Next time" means. It means no. And they seem to accept it just fine. I have never noticed my not tipping or not buying a mamasan a LD having anything to do with how successful my time is with the girl back in my room. If anything, I feel like my not falling for it but just playfully shrugging off the mamasan's request shows the girl sitting next to me that I am not a chump willing to just throw away money for nothing.

[Hiete]

As my trip to Bangkok is getting nearer I was wondering about the differences between the mamasans and waitresses working in go-go bars and how to treat them right.

I have been going to BKK a few times now and of all choices (Oily and Soapy MP's, FL, Beer bars, Dating sites, .) I have to say that the Go-Go bars are my favorite place to look for WG). Even though I spend most of my time in the gogo's and having read some posts here on this forum, I can't even see the difference between the mamasan and the waitresses in all places. Places like in Crazy House I have noticed the Mamasan but in other places such as Shark and Billboard which are two of the other places I like to spend time in I might have overlooked the mamasan. Perhaps I'm not paying too much attention what's going on in the bars except for what's happening on stage.

Usually I lay my eyes on a girl that I like on stage and wait until she comes over without asking anybody to bring her to me. I usually let the girl understand to come over to me while she's on stage. I believe that I have asked a waiter once to get somebody off the stage only as I couldn't wait any longer as she kept on dancing!

I personally don't think that there are advantages to ask the mamasan or other personnel anything about the girls who are on stage.

I think that at the end, we have a pair of eyes and we can ask the girl anything we want her to ask while offering her a LD. After some small talk you can conclude whether there's chemistry between the girl and you or not prior to taking her out for a good time.

I have never left a tip in the cases I took a girl out or it must be the change of the bill that I leave behind.

I don't consider myself as a stingy person. I just don't see the use to tip a waiter / mamasan if they haven't provided me any services (Except for bringing me my order) in order to choose the girl. I'm a conversationalist but in such venues I'm not the type of person that needs to chat with anybody else but the WG. At the end I'm paying my BF plus the ST / LT fee. It happens that from time to time I may order a drink to the waitress as well. Usually it doesn't happen often that waitresses or mamasans or whoever they are are pushy with me. The ones who are pushy I simply ignore.

I must say that I have never felt any discontent of anybody in the bar when I took a girl out but reading some stories I see people paying 300 bath or more to the mamasan or waitress.

Perhaps I might be wrong in the way I'm dealing with it and if there is some sort of etiquette then I'm interested to hear about it. I think that most probably every single one of us has their own way of dealing with it and perhaps the need to have a chat with others as well which is course is totally fine.