Bangkok Reports

[11Bravo]

I'll still probably end up getting very lost and I'm sure that'll mark me out to the scammers on Patpong.

Ignore the touts. You have your target, maintain heading (pun intended).

I had thought about Thermae too, but the thought of negotiating with a free lancer gives me a touch of anxiety, especially with the reports of them favoring the Japanese.

WTF? You're a boxer, right? So you won't climb in the ring unless you know you can win? Like the bg's who instantly ask for a lady drink, this, for me, is one of those "it never hurts to ask" situations. What's the worst that can happen? My self-esteem is not so endangered that a few "NO's!!!!" with contorted faces will crush me. Been there, done that. It's just entertainment, check out the scene, can't hurt, and at least you can say you've been there. And who knows ... Like Rush says, "Roll the Bones, if the dice are hot, take a shot".

I was under the impression that the Coyotes would be easily distinguishable from the rest, but I guess I was wrong about that. It's a pretty smart idea tbh.

Why I hate coyotes so much, they're just clutter / chaff, obscuring the real targets.

You have a valid point about the shower. For me it's just not built into my sexual escalation ladder, so I'll have to squeeze it in. I suppose it could also help make her feel comfortable for me to bring it up.

NO need to bring it up. I might offer her a drink first, some chatter, but before ANY romantics, you just say "Shower?" as YOU head towards the shower. Some girls will shower in parallel, others sequential. But it's just a GIVEN BEFORE, my experience anyway.

I did this with the coyote at King's Castle since she was smelling her hair a lot. I just didn't know the Thai word, but I don't think she bought it. Her hair just smelled like her hair, but maybe she prefers the smell of perfume.

Subtle difference, it's not the hair, it's skin. Sniff her cheek, neck, etc, not hair, then "hom".

The PIMP is pretty pricey BTW. For daytime massage parlors would be your best bet. Smooci, sideline, any other escort and MPs where you choose from photos will likely leave you disappointed. Try to go to an MP and see the lineup in person. There are BJ bars as an alternative option.

I certainly prefer an MP LIVE line-up, but a few seem to streamline the process using tablets not a live lineup. I did find the web photos of Kokoro to be accurate. Don Quixote uses a tablet but I already had someone in mind given a previous FR. As mentioned previously, a stroll down Soi 23 CAN be productive. Soi 24/1 can be worth a look (seems Snow White will be resurrected, another INSTITUTION, but like Annies, I'll wait and see), there is always Soi 26's jill-in-a-box for a cheap thrill (walk away from Sukhumvit, right hand side of Soi 26).

(Lady drink for a mamasan) True, but it can help get her attention more quickly if I'm going to be spending some time there.

Fine, if she gets me into the lifeboat faster, OK. But for ME, the cost is usually not worth any advantage unless I'm a frequent visitor, and then, she should recognize me anyway.

I agree about the attitude. Perhaps I should try that, but so far all the girls and all the mamasians immediately ask if I'll buy the lady drink. I thought it was standard practice since there might be some punters trying to get something for free. I read some emails on Stickman about brown people (colored in the original email) who split a single beer and a single woman amongst a large group of men. I wouldn't be surprised if there are other brown people who try and get a little company without having to buy the lady drink. Since I'm aware of the stereotype, I don't know what the effect of trying to postpone the First Lady drink a little bit would be.

OK, full disclosure: I'm Aryan: blonde hair, blue eyes, BAD attitude; nobody mistakes me for anyone else. I'm there as a single, order MY drink (full disclosure, I'm selfish, I don't like to share). But an INSTANT request for a lady drink is one of those "it never hurts to ask" questions. Knowing a FEW words of Thai is a big advantage as it marks you as "experienced". On the street, a "my pie" keeps the tuk-tuks and street touts away. In the bar, a "shaw shaw" (slowly slowly), MY interpretation, is "I know the scene, I'm interested, so convince me I'm correct". A lady drink is not a given UNLESS there seems to be some potential and SHE has to convince ME of that. Her MERE presence is NOT sufficient. Granted, I might lose a number (that's number plural, not a specific number pin), but, fine. It's an audition for that night's starring role. I do understand it's business, and what the business model is NOW (unfortunately). If she is entertaining, has a great attitude, there is potential, fine, I will buy a lady drink for her, and continue the audition. But pretty quickly, I'll bring up the potential of a bar fine to cut my losses, financial and time, in case it's a not. You can bar fine, and if she bar fines, then check willingness (there I expect an honest answer, coyote, period, not-with-you, etc). And I do understand that too many of your refusals will mark you as a "waste of time". Might be a fine line, but I know I can always reset the scale by changing bars.

(Line contact) This is a good guide on how to approach it, thanks! My intent was primarily for the convenience and perhaps instead of spending time in a noisy, smoky bar, I could arrange a slower paced lunch date or something. I guess that's off the table unless she's freelance then.

I've never tried for a "lunch date". Might be possible, but I realize my own limitations, and my "hansum man" days were decades ago, if ever. For an MP, it eases booking; you know she will be there and available. For a bar, you know which bar (if it's a return visit), she'll be there, and if you arrive early, a good shot (pun intended) with her. Gives her something to think about when she gets another offer. I certainly don't expect her to wait all night, and I don't expect her to turn down all offers, it is business, AND I am NOT a safety net. It should be a mutual advantage. One miss, OK, two misses ... the ole "fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me". It just might give you a slight edge in HER evening's plans. YMMV.

[Nyezhov]

Where should I watch the Manchester you nited match tonight?

[Philosophus]

Thanks for the nice report.

[11Bravo]

Absolutely. For anything more than a one-off ST, the girl's personality, attitude, and fun-factor is as important, if not more important than her looks alone.

Agree 100%.

Been with my girl for nearly 14 years, dunno what you are talking about.

Spending an hour with a girl, then thinking that same rapport will last a week ... Not saying it can't happen, my travel companion I've known 16+ years. All I'm saying is, I'd take her for a couple of sequential LT's in town BEFORE taking off for a week. That way, if EITHER wants to bail, it's easy.

I've done this and so has my buddy. If taking a non-P4P Thai girl on a long trip, we pay them whatever they lost from missing time at work. My buddy paid his government worker girlfriend the 30,000 per month that she claimed she earned, later I learned that she earned 20,000 baht per month. He also paid an airport worker the 18,000 for the month she missed work. I did similar with girls that I've taken away from work for a long period of time.

Likewise, I pay my companion her monthly salary when she takes off of work (shop clerk). Food, travel costs, some souvenirs, clothes for her (what she SAVES me in my souvenirs worth the cost of hers), etc., covered, plus a red envelope at the end. She doesn't lose any money, makes a little extra, and has a (mostly) nice holiday (she does have to put up with me, good thing she has a sense of humor).

[11Bravo]

Duagporn (not) MP

Anyone have an address for Duagporn massage parlor is? I cannot find it on google. Thanks MG.

I believe it was a misquote about MP. For me, Duagporn (Haven) is the real, but little used, name for the moved Som's Haven. Som's was originally off of Soi (8-12 somewhere in there), next to a POPULAR restaurant. A NUMBER of years ago, changed name, and it moved to a small Soi near Asoke, 1st small Soi on Ratchadaphisek (continuation of Asoke road) past Sukhumvit, walking towards Queen Srikit Convention Center, right hand side when walking away from Sukhumvit, across the soi from the City Point hotel. Google Maps, street view (still has the Manikin Pis, see attached)


Gems

Later on I went strolling soi 23 and saw some cuties in front of MP. I went to the one with most young and fit ladies, and picked a young 22 yo spinner. Perfect body, petite, silicon boobs but great tattoos all over! I could not resist so fucked her right away in a great session, enjoyed so much that fit body and her funny smile. The massage afterward was light, but I was not expecting much on that front. I took her number and definitely will invite her to my premises.

I've certainly found a number on an afternoon's stroll down Soi 23. It might be someone else's slag heap, but for me, sifting through the tailings, some nuggets can be found.


Bier Garten

Hi guys, can anyone tell me me the biergarden is still open? I had some good luck there a few years ago. Thanks for any replies.

In Nov 2022, an absolute SHELL of its former self. First visit around noon, literally EMPTY, seems like it was just opening, 3 waitresses, NO customers. Another visit, mid-afternoon, maybe a dozen old farts like me, a bit less WOMEN looking for company. Did not see the cute waitress I've seen there for a decade. It was like the end of the world. HOPEFULLY, it will pick up, especially with the beer bar area next to it. Otherwise, perhaps to be on the auction block for another hotel.


BC Pills

In my experience over the years most wg's who have been at it for any length of time will be using birth control pills, however, a frequent problem seems to be her forgetting to take it some nights, often due to too much alcohol, so even if she says she is "on the pill' it can't be 100% relied upon. The "morning after" pills are easily available here and often used too as a back up.

That's what I would surmise, along with the forgetful attitude, along with a it won't happen attitude after the fact.


Its not the same as it was.

Thank you for sharing this info with us.
I kept on reading conflicting information about availability of freelancers in Bangkok and Pattaya. Many posters on this forum said it is almost back to pre pendamic levels but whenever I tried to analyze the beach road videos on you tube, I could easily figure out that the numbers are barely 20% of what they used to be.
For the first time in my mongering life, I had to cancel a ticket to Thailand. No use flying to the other side of world just to see mongering world hit by bombs. Its pretty bad in other countries as well.
Looks like we will have to wait few more months for scene to pick up a bit.

My feeling on this always reminds me of the last scene in the The Wild Bunch: "It ain't like it used to be, but, uh, it'll do."

[Tlito]

Anyone have an address for Duagporn massage parlor is? I cannot find it on google. Thanks MG.

Is just off Ratchadapisek Road it is the first Soi when coming from Asok Sukhumvit intersection. Opposite city.

Point hotel.

Don't worry the girls will not let you walk past without letting you know they are around.

[MamaGuevos]

Following the wise suggestion today I went and looks for gems! I started in Duagporn MP and had a nice session with a lady big tits and big smile. She definitely was a pro in the BJ, so I see the recruitment department is doing great on that front! 1200 bath in the small room.

Later on I went strolling soi 23 and saw some cuties in front of MP. I went to the one with most young and fit ladies, and picked a young 22 yo spinner. Perfect body, petite, silicon boobs but great tattoos all over! I could not resist so fucked her right away in a great session, enjoyed so much that fit body and her funny smile. The massage afterward was light, but I was not expecting much on that front. I took her number and definitely will invite her to my premises.

I stopped for a beer in Baccara where I also offered a lady drink and groped a bit a smiling lady that was offering her services. BF was 800 and she asked 3 k, LOL, I declined.

I headed back home to go to sleep, and passing by Nana Plaza my mind (or dick?) changed the plan. In the deluge of ladyboys, I spotted two young ladies sitting on a scooter. I stopped to talk to them, they were cute and actually sisters, lookalike. Slim, smiling, one speaking more English. I asked how much and said 1500ST, so I asked for both and was 3 k, for which I said 1 h and I want to come two times! They laughed, and said yes. Off we go to my place. What a session! The one speaking less English was very accommodating in terms of kissing, sucking, fucking. They were both petite and slim as I like, smiling, having fun. In the first round I shagged one, in the second round the second one, but all the time I was interacting with both. I did a threesome time ago but was a failure, but today was such a success that I'll repeat with them for sure!

BKK is harder than in the past, but there's still a lot to enjoy hidden among the turisty stuff.

Anyone have an address for Duagporn massage parlor is? I cannot find it on google. Thanks MG.

[Bbbsjjjmi]

Hey Kaiser. Thanks for the great reports.

Thinking about going to the Pimp with the missus. Did you see any couples there? Wondering if they're fine with it or a bit offish?

[Martin00]

Following the wise suggestion today I went and looks for gems! I started in Duagporn MP and had a nice session with a lady big tits and big smile. She definitely was a pro in the BJ, so I see the recruitment department is doing great on that front! 1200 bath in the small room.

Later on I went strolling soi 23 and saw some cuties in front of MP. I went to the one with most young and fit ladies, and picked a young 22 yo spinner. Perfect body, petite, silicon boobs but great tattoos all over! I could not resist so fucked her right away in a great session, enjoyed so much that fit body and her funny smile. The massage afterward was light, but I was not expecting much on that front. I took her number and definitely will invite her to my premises.

I stopped for a beer in Baccara where I also offered a lady drink and groped a bit a smiling lady that was offering her services. BF was 800 and she asked 3 k, LOL, I declined.

I headed back home to go to sleep, and passing by Nana Plaza my mind (or dick?) changed the plan. In the deluge of ladyboys, I spotted two young ladies sitting on a scooter. I stopped to talk to them, they were cute and actually sisters, lookalike. Slim, smiling, one speaking more English. I asked how much and said 1500ST, so I asked for both and was 3 k, for which I said 1 h and I want to come two times! They laughed, and said yes. Off we go to my place. What a session! The one speaking less English was very accommodating in terms of kissing, sucking, fucking. They were both petite and slim as I like, smiling, having fun. In the first round I shagged one, in the second round the second one, but all the time I was interacting with both. I did a threesome time ago but was a failure, but today was such a success that I'll repeat with them for sure!

BKK is harder than in the past, but there's still a lot to enjoy hidden among the turisty stuff.

You are correct. Lady Boys are proliferating all over lower Suk from Soi 1-28, especially around Sofitel and Hyatt to Soi 11. If you see a cute looking "girl", she is probably not a GG but LB. The only GG's I see in this area are woeful looking Milfs.
I don't know the going rate at Thermae as its pointless for farangs to go but not surprised to hear these prices and only Japanese punters appear willing to pay. NEP is even worse when you factor in bar fine, Lady drinks etc.

You have to now have some game and street smarts to be successful in BKK. Go to alternate locations, small bars, coffee shops, etc. And look for gems. They are around but it's a bit like sifting for gold in a stream. Patience and hard work now required.

[HorseTrader]

I've done this and so has my buddy. If taking a non-P4P Thai girl on a long trip, we pay them whatever they lost from missing time at work. My buddy paid his government worker girlfriend the 30,000 per month that she claimed she earned, later I learned that she earned 20,000 baht per month. He also paid an airport worker the 18,000 for the month she missed work. I did similar with girls that I've taken away from work for a long period of time.

My buddy actually found a wonderful wife with that process. They have now been happily married for 4 years and living in USA. None of these girls were P4P, they all had jobs unrelated to sex industry. Probably even better if their jobs are unrelated to the tourist industry.

[MomoFarang]

The first day, everything's fine, it's an amazing adventure. The next day, he wants to do this, but she's tired, she wants to check her phone, catch up with her friends, sleep, post her adventure. But she goes along. The 3rd day, he's bored, her glow has dissipated, and she's tired of his annoying habits (we all have them). I'm amazed that there aren't more homicides, one way or the other ... Money is a glue for awhile, but to put up with another person, any person, MY experience, has to be more than just a romp in bed or cash in hand. All those originally unseen imperfections start to become apparent on both sides. Fantasy is fine, but then reality sets in. Even LT, excluding sleep, how many hours are you really interacting with the other, and then having to do that sequentially for a number of days ... One of those ideas that seemed like a good idea at the time. But maybe I'm just a grump. Personally, in Thailand, I have my regulars, once a week sufficient for several, but for the other days, always looking for different. I'm sure they're happy with that arrangement too.

Been with my girl for nearly 14 years, dunno what you are talking about.

[SiamMan]

I no longer commit to any one girl for more than a ST date unless I first know her pretty well. For a week together, think more than a month of daily video chats. I'm really old and I have lower standards than most regarding physical appearance. But I'm very demanding when it comes to a girl's personality and her ability to hold a conversation.

Absolutely. For anything more than a one-off ST, the girl's personality, attitude, and fun-factor is as important, if not more important than her looks alone.

[SiamMan]

My thoughts too. I don't need any more squad members at my age. Condoms are far from fullproof, but certainly better than the rhythm method. I'm not all that familiar with the commonality of birth control pills with the wg's, but even if she said she was, I would have my doubts. Any comments from residents?

In my experience over the years most wg's who have been at it for any length of time will be using birth control pills, however, a frequent problem seems to be her forgetting to take it some nights, often due to too much alcohol, so even if she says she is "on the pill' it can't be 100% relied upon. The "morning after" pills are easily available here and often used too as a back up.

[Tomasb]

I looked for the pricing report under your name but could not find it. Do you know the number of the report? Nevertheless, it appears that given this particular SYT just started working at a local bar, not a go go, that between $1 k to $1500 might work. I don't know about the comment from the OP about no reason to pay a BF. This girl just started working there and they might take a dim view of her taking off for a week and returning tan and rested and the bar, where I met her, getting no compensation for her absence. But perhaps, the BF can be negotiated a bit.

As it is, I am not sure she would be the best company but it depends on how my daytime and early evening dates goes with her tomorrow. The other reason I was thinking of doing this is because I have read PhiPhi and AO Nong only have moderate nightlife and may not have a lot of spare girls around. Don't know about that since I have never been to either location. Also, like someone below noted, six days could be an eternity if things go south. Three days most couples could endure but after that…Maybe just take her to Ao Nong for three days, the flight for that location leaves and departs from Krabi to BKK.

I am also an older guy too so the idea of hanging in the bars on the beaches every night looking for a prospect does not sound all that appealing. I remember once going to Ko Samui and being quite disappointed about Lamang area. The talent was abysmal. A total waste of time. But for me, if the girl is fun and reasonably attractive and also does not bore easily then I might consider this option.

About 6 weeks ago I had two detailed discussions about vacation girlfriend rates. One girl was a very well preserved older girl (49, she claimed) and said she gets 2000 per day, but when I balked at the price she said for me it would be 1000 per day. A couple days later I talked to one of my ST Nana Plaza girls who claimed to be 21 and I was her first ever boom boom customer (555), she said 20,000 per week for her plus a week of bar fines at 800 per day. Neither of these girls had a personality that I could tolerate for a week. Probably couldn't tolerate either for an overnight date.

I no longer commit to any one girl for more than a ST date unless I first know her pretty well. For a week together, think more than a month of daily video chats. I'm really old and I have lower standards than most regarding physical appearance. But I'm very demanding when it comes to a girl's personality and her ability to hold a conversation.

[11Bravo]

Agree. I am amazed at guys who come to Thailand and go out with a girl for an hour then want to take her away for a week. Then by the end of the week they are so bored with that girl and tell me how there were so many nice girls at the destination they went to. Happens all the time.

For me to spend a week with a girl she better be able to make me laugh a lot and speak English extremely well.

Ah, the ignorance of youth, unable to distinguish between fantasy and reality. For relatively very little money, you'll have this subservient Asian beauty at your every beck and call, every whim, hanging on your every nuance, no will of her own.

The first day, everything's fine, it's an amazing adventure. The next day, he wants to do this, but she's tired, she wants to check her phone, catch up with her friends, sleep, post her adventure. But she goes along. The 3rd day, he's bored, her glow has dissipated, and she's tired of his annoying habits (we all have them). I'm amazed that there aren't more homicides, one way or the other ... Money is a glue for awhile, but to put up with another person, any person, MY experience, has to be more than just a romp in bed or cash in hand. All those originally unseen imperfections start to become apparent on both sides. Fantasy is fine, but then reality sets in. Even LT, excluding sleep, how many hours are you really interacting with the other, and then having to do that sequentially for a number of days ... One of those ideas that seemed like a good idea at the time. But maybe I'm just a grump. Personally, in Thailand, I have my regulars, once a week sufficient for several, but for the other days, always looking for different. I'm sure they're happy with that arrangement too.

Not saying it can't be done. Not Thailand, I travel with a friend in her country for weeks at a time. But we knew each other for almost a year, 1 night a week, beforehand, and she tolerates me quite well, which I truly admire. She enjoys seeing her own country (common interests), she speaks the language, I don't, and I set the itinerary and she handles the logistics. It works, but it's not something that happens instantaneously. You have to build up an immunity against the other person's irks ....