Bangkok Reports

[Nazgylg15]

In Pat there's still some action. Many girls have chosen not to go back home. Some bars still "half open" in typical Thai fashion.

What gets on my nerves is hotels on islands not giving discounts, at least not on the booking platforms. Hotels on Islands like Ko Chang and Ko Mak are priced the same as usual for this time of the year. How is that possible with no more flights coming in?

The hotel I'm staying in in Pattaya is three quarters empty. Yet when I show them the Agoda price in a bid to pay cash and avoid the credit card + Agoda fee they say no and quote me a walk-in rate 25% higher. I dont get it.

Its a question of who is desperate. If the customer is desperate for a holiday in these extraordinary situation, he needs to pay more. Both the girls and hotel may think, if they serve you in this crisis when others have shut shop, they might need extra remuneration. They run the risks. But on other hand, if the hotel / girl is in financial crisis and is extremely desperate, then we can see reducing in fee in normal / extraordinary situation. I see a lot of posts assuming the WG's are desperate and hence there would be price reduction. But till now I see only disappointment in most posts.

[RioHeart]

Shit just got real here!

https://covidtracker.5lab.co/en

[Somewhere15]

In Pat there's still some action. Many girls have chosen not to go back home. Some bars still "half open" in typical Thai fashion.

What gets on my nerves is hotels on islands not giving discounts, at least not on the booking platforms. Hotels on Islands like Ko Chang and Ko Mak are priced the same as usual for this time of the year. How is that possible with no more flights coming in?

The hotel I'm staying in in Pattaya is three quarters empty. Yet when I show them the Agoda price in a bid to pay cash and avoid the credit card + Agoda fee they say no and quote me a walk-in rate 25% higher. I dont get it.

Looks like the same as in 2009 when protesters blocked the airport for many weeks. On that time they also didn't give adjusted prices, not in hotel industry and not in the entertainment.

[Franciscass]

The entire P4 P industry is about to get live training on how to survive without farang, Chinese / Japanese / Korean money and customers.

https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand...f-all-visitors

Goes for the rest of the tourist industry.

Seems it extends to Thai citizens. Not untypical there is some confusion whether you require a negative test cert or just a not showing symptoms cert. Also a verification from your embassy is required. Kafka couldn't make this shit up.

[Catire]

The entire P4 P industry is about to get live training on how to survive without farang, Chinese / Japanese / Korean money and customers.

https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand...f-all-visitors

Goes for the rest of the tourist industry.

[XXL]

In Pat there's still some action. Many girls have chosen not to go back home. Some bars still "half open" in typical Thai fashion.

What gets on my nerves is hotels on islands not giving discounts, at least not on the booking platforms. Hotels on Islands like Ko Chang and Ko Mak are priced the same as usual for this time of the year. How is that possible with no more flights coming in?

The hotel I'm staying in in Pattaya is three quarters empty. Yet when I show them the Agoda price in a bid to pay cash and avoid the credit card + Agoda fee they say no and quote me a walk-in rate 25% higher. I dont get it.

[EihTooms]

My favorite destination in the world for our hobby, Germany, is now a p4p desert. The only country that seems to have a semblance of action right now is Thailand. However, no way I'm leaving home now. It is difficult to foretell when things will improve. Its a wait and see game.

Really? Then things must be horrifically bad in Germany. Unless you mean the Thai girls who might still be in town and on Tinder, ThaiCupid, ThaiFriendly, etc. Or maybe in Pattaya.

But these first two nights of closures in the red light districts of Bangkok have been like walking through a ghost town. Virtually no girls on the streets because there are virtually no customers on the streets either. Seriously, the only place I saw a small cluster of girls anywhere right after 9PM or so last night was in front of Thermae. And even in the most dire financial/low customer circumstances these girls have ever seen in their lives, it is highly unlikely any Thermae girl would deliver anything other than the most basic, boring, standard fare that wouldn't be worth near their going rate even at the popular height of the highest High Season.

In fact, the only reason those few Thermae girls still standing around out front are NOT concerned about getting a virus spread by droplet transmission is probably because they are already accustomed to making 2,500 - 3,000 baht without coming in contact with so much as one droplet of anything anyway.

[Franciscass]

LOL. Maybe it is all the crap that can and all too often does happen when there is no airtight negotiation and agreement that spells it all out that has inspired the fantasy of creating obedient robots for this purpose in the first place.

In my experience Thai people in most situations will answer yes instead of no as matter of course and odd as it may seem it is more a cultural norm than our definition of lying.

Just a thought but I wonder ET whether it would make sense for you to have a unambiguous written list in Thai / English of your needs instead of the a verbal exchange. Now visually it is almost comic to imagine doing the circuit in Thermae finding a cutie and handing her a piece of paper to read before the deal in done but it just might reduce the too often problem you seem to have back in the room.

[Turgid]

My favorite destination in the world for our hobby, Germany, is now a p4p desert. The only country that seems to have a semblance of action right now is Thailand. However, no way I'm leaving home now. It is difficult to foretell when things will improve. Its a wait and see game.

[EihTooms]

All this discussion of trying to negotiate an air tight agreement that spells out every last detail of the session between the sheets reminds me of the 1987 movie classic "Cherry 2000."

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0092746/

For those who haven't seen it, the movie takes place in a dystopian future where robots have largely replaced humans as sexual partners. The few old-fashioned types who still frequent singles' bars are so adversarial that they negotiate a written contract right there in the club before leaving with each other.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urS8GmwmeWQ

Yes, that's Laurence Fishburne playing the draftsman.

LOL. Maybe it is all the crap that can and all too often does happen when there is no airtight negotiation and agreement that spells it all out that has inspired the fantasy of creating obedient robots for this purpose in the first place.

[EihTooms]

Sorry Streetwalker I must have picked you up wrong. I thought your modus operandi was to offer a 1000 and stick to it. It's true pussy can be had for a 1000 more likely in Pattaya than Bangkok but I thought you were talking about Thermae where the going rate for short time is 2500 maybe 2000 and even possible on occasion as low as 1500 but 1000, market value it is not!

Also may I say I find your argument nobody is forcing them to do anything they don't want to do somewhat specious, why? Because it doesn't take into account whether there is choice or not I. E. Take what's on offer or go without. I know that sounds a tad OTP but sometimes Streetwalker that's exactly how it is and whether it's our fault they are poor is not the point. I'm not talking overpaying or an NGO attitude just a good man with a good heart paying what is a fair price.

I put a very cute Thermae girl out of my room earlier tonight with 1,500 baht and I am sure I way overpaid for what she did. Wish I had only given her 1,000, maybe 500.

Thermae is closed but a few hopefuls still hang out at the door and steps. And by hopefuls I mean the only people standing outside of Thermae at about 9PM tonight were females. No customers other than me and an old Asian dude. Not even ladyboys as I recall. This very cute girl reached out when she saw me and said, "Take me with you. I like you." Hey, I liked her too. We had both seen each other there a few times before and a good vibe had passed between us.

There was no mention of how much, to do what or for how long. And, sorry, but I don't buy this "everybody knows what we're supposed to pay Thermae girls," thing. My opinion is when no money is discussed upfront OR what we will do in the room for her to earn any money at all, whether it's Thermae, on the street, in a go-go bar or in the fanciest, most expensive club in Bangkok, everybody is playing the cards as dealt to them and has no standing to whine about what winds up in their hand, figuratively and literally, in the hope of getting restitution.

A few steps away from the front of Thermae she asked me if I had a condom. I said I might have one in my room but if we must use a condom I will not be a good customer for you because I cannot use a condom, so, nice to meet you, bye. She said oh we can do something else, a blowjob (she was very fluent in English). I asked will she finish me inside her mouth. She said yes.

In the room, she had a beer and after we both showered, I gave her DATY, which she seemed to really enjoy. So much so that after she came a couple of times she moved around to give me a BJ as oral foreplay, smiled and said, "What do you want to do now? Up to you." Great. I said, "Well if it's up to me we boom boom right now." "Ok", she said with an even bigger smile, rolled over onto her back and opened her legs. Lovely. As I moved up to enter her she yelped, "NO! You must put CONDOM!"

As an aside, I don't get this move. So many Thai girls do this. They just heard me say and fully understood that I cannot use a condom and won't use one. We are naked on the bed licking and sucking each other. Nobody has produced a condom, set one aside, has one in his or her teeth, laid one on the bed, on the side table, nothing. They are a all hot and ready, say something like, "Ok, do what you want. Up to you." Then the moment my dick is within 2 inches of their pussy, they remember their supposed to say "NO! Must put CONDOM!" and we lurch into what would most certainly be another of the thousands of 15 minute conversations I've had about condoms while my erection leaves the room if I didn't quickly change the subject. WTF.

Anyway, so I say "Oh, sorry, you said "Do what I want, up to me." So that is what I wanted." "No problem," I said, "we can do that blowjob instead."

She started out ok but then quickly moved into another truly bizarre Thai girl phenomenon of suddenly not understanding what these simple English words mean: "Please don't go so fast. Please go slower."

I swear I must have gently told her, reminded her, repeated and repeated it for her 10-15 times over the course of about 10 minutes to please go slow, don't go fast. At one point early on I even stopped her to specifically clarify that I am not asking her to go slow to make her do this longer, since I suspect they go fast because their past experience tells them the guy cums faster the faster they do it. "I will finish quickly, within 3-4 minutes, if you go slow. But I might never finish even if you do this for 5 hours if you go that fast." You would think that would put the fear of god into them about going fast, which is always much more work for them anyway, instead of slow, which is very easy work for them.

But no.

It didn't make any difference to her. She was on cruise control to go jack hammer fast and not do it slowly. Five more minutes of her grimacing and struggling against fatigue because she was doing it so damn fast while any hope for my having an orgasm was being chased away in terror and I stopped her and said, "Ok, that's all. We're finished. I don't know how else to tell you to go slow and not fast. So, as I said, I will never finish like this. We might as well just stop now." She had been in my room about 30 minutes total.

She took a shower and got dressed. When she saw the overly generous 1,500 baht I left on the table next to her purse, she seemed quite puzzled and confused. She picked it up and examined the two notes at arms distance like they were loaded with coronavirus, looked at me and said, "What is this?" I said, "Honey, if we are ever together again and you give me a slow blowjob like I asked you to do it 10 or 15 times, which will make me finish in just 3-4 minutes, I will be happy to give you 2,500 baht. Or if we boom boom the way I said. But since you only did it too fast and not slow when I asked you so many times to please do it slow, I can only think you didn't WANT me to finish. And I won't pay 2,500 baht for that."

She understood, but she wasn't very happy about it. She must be used to doing the opposite of what her customers want and still getting 2,500, 3,000 or maybe more. But not with me. Typical Thermae girl way of thinking I guess. I opened the door and out she went. Of course, I seriously doubt that girl would ever go with me again. No great loss to me or to her, I suppose.

[Bunky]

All this discussion of trying to negotiate an air tight agreement that spells out every last detail of the session between the sheets reminds me of the 1987 movie classic "Cherry 2000."

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0092746/

For those who haven't seen it, the movie takes place in a dystopian future where robots have largely replaced humans as sexual partners. The few old-fashioned types who still frequent singles' bars are so adversarial that they negotiate a written contract right there in the club before leaving with each other.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urS8GmwmeWQ

Yes, that's Laurence Fishburne playing the draftsman.

[Franciscass]

I don't take advantage of the poor. I pay them a fair price for their services. Most times it is market value. They have the option to decline my offer and some do. I never put pressure on a girl to take my offer. I offer it they say yes or no and that's that. Whats not understood is how I have the right to refuse her offer also. There is no deal without both party agreements. I have no problems with them saying no to the offer, I just walk away and ask another girl pretty simple. When I say I don't care I mean I can't be held responsible for the state of this world and everyone in it. I am not responsible for the why a girl has to sell herself on the streets to feed her family in the 1st place. I don't have that kind of power to fix all the worlds poverty problems so I remain apathetic to it all. Now If given the power to influence things I could fix it all. BUT of course nobody gives a rats ass what I think so it is what it is.

Sorry Streetwalker I must have picked you up wrong. I thought your modus operandi was to offer a 1000 and stick to it. It's true pussy can be had for a 1000 more likely in Pattaya than Bangkok but I thought you were talking about Thermae where the going rate for short time is 2500 maybe 2000 and even possible on occasion as low as 1500 but 1000, market value it is not!

Also may I say I find your argument nobody is forcing them to do anything they don't want to do somewhat specious, why? Because it doesn't take into account whether there is choice or not I. E. Take what's on offer or go without. I know that sounds a tad OTP but sometimes Streetwalker that's exactly how it is and whether it's our fault they are poor is not the point. I'm not talking overpaying or an NGO attitude just a good man with a good heart paying what is a fair price.

[Streetlooker]

Yeah but, don't you think if you've given them that offer, they'll give you a lackluster performance in the bedroom?. Mind you, I 100% agree with what you've said. I would never and have not paid no more than 1000. My thing is, it just screws up the whole ambiance for a piece of pussy when it turns into a cringy business proposition.

I have had good low priced performances, and bad low priced performances. I have also had good High priced performances and I have had some very bad High price performances. Performance is not a price thing Its a individual girl thing. Besides If I am unfortunate to have picked a Bad Performance girl from the street, Gogo bar, massage parlor, or a escort agent. I am a bit less upset about it if I didn't pay to much.

[Streetlooker]

You may be on a tight budget but with respect, doesn't it just bother you a little bit that you take advantage of their circumstances. Using that value system some unfortunate wench who hasn't eaten for 3 days should be happy to blow you for a bowl of noodles. I agree what's appropriate varies on circumstances and who and where you venture but why not pay the going rate and not make the girl feel like sad she has to fuck for so little because she needs the money so badly. And please and I am not suggesting you do but please don't use the ridiculous argument about minimum wage I. E. Because she is a poor farm girl from Essan she should be happy to fuck for 8 hours 4 hours whatever for 500 baht because its 200 baht above the minimum wage.

I don't take advantage of the poor. I pay them a fair price for their services. Most times it is market value. They have the option to decline my offer and some do. I never put pressure on a girl to take my offer. I offer it they say yes or no and that's that. Whats not understood is how I have the right to refuse her offer also. There is no deal without both party agreements. I have no problems with them saying no to the offer, I just walk away and ask another girl pretty simple. When I say I don't care I mean I can't be held responsible for the state of this world and everyone in it. I am not responsible for the why a girl has to sell herself on the streets to feed her family in the 1st place. I don't have that kind of power to fix all the worlds poverty problems so I remain apathetic to it all. Now If given the power to influence things I could fix it all. BUT of course nobody gives a rats ass what I think so it is what it is.