Bangkok Reports

[FarangB]

Driving home on the bike today I noticed a sign on a Japanese Karaoke advertising salaries from 20 k-50 k per month. If you are making that then there is no need to go with customers. P4 P used to be just that; P4 P. There was a small salary and some money from drinks, but the gals money was made from going with customers. In many instances, that is no longer the case now. And is exactly the problem for punters.

I've seen these signs before (never that high though) and I always thought the meaning was "Earn up to" that amount. Not that they were going to pay the girls that much but that they could earn that if they went with customers.

[FarangB]

I always assumed you had to be a senior member for the PM system as well, but lately I was corrected that this is not the case (anymore). Regular members can use the PM system too.

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...e_questions_01

"Regular Members may post reports, view and upload photographs, and use the private message system."

As a regular member, I can't view photos (though it looks like I am able to upload photos) or use the private message system (can't send, doesn't look like I can receive pm's either).

[Crocodilexp]

And every lady drink is presumably a prelude to possible bar fine. So it is totally unsurprising to most of us that your "look only" attitude was not met with much enthusiasm. And when you get very touchy feely with a girl and then neither tip nor bar fine, outrage may occur. They are not giving the lap dances for free- again, they hope to persuade you. You can of course say "well, they offered" but I think it's a bit of taking advantage honestly.

Sorry, but purpose of all such venues is to make money by providing what the customer wants. The customer is one holding the purse, be it for drinks, looking around, having a decent time with the girls or barfining. Their job is to entertain us, it's not the customer's job to be highly attuned to their needs and throw heaps money at them in return for rather mediocre, borderline unpleasant attitude. Drink prices are already high enough as it is, you can have a decent dinner for the price of just one or two drinks in some agogo bars. If they're rude or standoffish, they deserve no business.

[Blanquiceleste]

Driving home on the bike today I noticed a sign on a Japanese Karaoke advertising salaries from 20 k-50 k per month. If you are making that then there is no need to go with customers. P4 P used to be just that; P4 P. There was a small salary and some money from drinks, but the gals money was made from going with customers. In many instances, that is no longer the case now. And is exactly the problem for punters.

Question is how are they affording those salaries? Evidently a front for some other shady business proceeds!

[Goatscrot]

Driving home on the bike today I noticed a sign on a Japanese Karaoke advertising salaries from 20 k-50 k per month. If you are making that then there is no need to go with customers. P4 P used to be just that; P4 P. There was a small salary and some money from drinks, but the gals money was made from going with customers. In many instances, that is no longer the case now. And is exactly the problem for punters.

[Member #4591]

You are right. However in the FAQ it is stated that regular members can use the private message system. HyBuddy is a regular member so I don't get it.

Yes, regular members can use the PM system but they must buy a subscription to do so.

[Mogwai]

If in doubt just click on the poster's name.
If "Private Message" comes up in the drop-down list of items then you can send them a PM.
If it's not there, then the poster is not a "member". HyBuddy cannot send or receive PMs.

You are right. However in the FAQ it is stated that regular members can use the private message system. HyBuddy is a regular member so I don't get it.

[Bubba Boy]

I should point out that at RawHide, I specifically told the mamasan up front that it was for drinks only, not barfine. Why would they even bring the dancer over if she was only going for barfine? Maybe they would be disappointed in the end, but I don't see why they would be outraged when I told them upfront what I was doing.

I really did enjoyed your report, it was like being a fly on the wall during your hazy trip through Bangkok. Kudos to you. There are many reports on the bars here but I guess little on how they work in regards getting the most on the experience. Here is my 2 cents on your specific comment and mistake above.

A lot of guys think the gogo bars are like strip joints back home, this is not the case, they don't want people sitting there just drinking all night. Think of them more like brothels but where as you only have say 5 minutes to make a choice in most countries in a GoGo bar think of this window being extended to say 30 to 60 minutes They want you to buy a couple of drinks, buy a couple of lady drinks and then barfine the girl and get out of there, the mamasan will also try and gouge a tip. All part of the model. While you are drinking they will constantly check if you have any thing left in your glass, there is a non defined time limit on how long you can sit on your drink If you want to deviate from this model you will need to tip people along the way or at least be happy to buy lady drinks as you are going along.

By telling her that you were only going to have a few drinks was a signal to her that you are a customer that they don't want in the club, doesn't matter if the club was packed or empty. Hence she was pushing you to either change your mind or leave. They are quite brutal in enforcing this model. You got the message and left.

[Rob Jones]

In Korea its arond 3 to 4 dollar. Nothing brand named but still gets the job done.

I'm wondering if the costs is the same. Once again nothing brand named. Even the cheapest would do.

Thanks.

In my case it cost me about 24,000 Baht to visit Thailand and I can only go once if lucky twice a year. It is a big investment of time and money and the last thing I worry about is how much I pay for lube! I usually buy KY before I leave and I'm happy with the knowledge that I have when I need it. This is a little bit like travel insurance, if you can't afford it you really can't afford to go.

[Member #4591]

Jake,

First of all thanks for the posts. Good, interesting read. As you said, you are new to this. Understand that these places exist for one purpose only- to bar fine out as many girls as possible. And every lady drink is presumably a prelude to possible bar fine. So it is totally unsurprising to most of us that your "look only" attitude was not met with much enthusiasm. And when you get very touchy feely with a girl and then neither tip nor bar fine, outrage may occur. They are not giving the lap dances for free- again, they hope to persuade you. You can of course say "well, they offered" but I think it's a bit of taking advantage honestly.

I would not be at all surprised if the large cover at CH had nothing to do with your race (other than you are easy to identify) but rather the word getting around that you are going to waste girls time for little money. Sorry to be a bit harsh, because you are a newbie, but voyeurs who are maximizing the stretch of a baht are indeed not favored.

I really doubt that girls from the others bars in Soi Cowboy warned the door guys at CH to not let him in without paying a cover. In fact, many of the bars in Soi Cowboy are geared towards the lady drink model only with few to no barfines hapenning. Jake fits the type of customer that business model applies to and as we just read, he had good times in Soi Cowboy but in Nana where the barfine is key, he didn't have a good time. From my field data, only CH, Baccara, Sharks, amd Suzy Wong, are almost 100% Bar fine bars, and the rest are about 50/50.

[Jake251]

First of all thanks for the posts. Good, interesting read. As you said, you are new to this. Understand that these places exist for one purpose only- to bar fine out as many girls as possible. And every lady drink is presumably a prelude to possible bar fine. So it is totally unsurprising to most of us that your "look only" attitude was not met with much enthusiasm. And when you get very touchy feely with a girl and then neither tip nor bar fine, outrage may occur. They are not giving the lap dances for free- again, they hope to persuade you. You can of course say "well, they offered" but I think it's a bit of taking advantage honestly.

I would not be at all surprised if the large cover at CH had nothing to do with your race (other than you are easy to identify) but rather the word getting around that you are going to waste girls time for little money. Sorry to be a bit harsh, because you are a newbie, but voyeurs who are maximizing the stretch of a baht are indeed not favored.

At Steve.

Thanks for your comments.

I should point out that at RawHide, I specifically told the mamasan up front that it was for drinks only, not barfine. Why would they even bring the dancer over if she was only going for barfine? Maybe they would be disappointed in the end, but I don't see why they would be outraged when I told them upfront what I was doing.

Regardless, I admit it was a mistake to not tip her. And as I figured things out in the following days, I did tip many other dancers, bar staff, etc.

As for Crazy House, if you look at their reviews on Google Maps, there are many other reports of selective race-based 500 THB cover charges. I'm quite sure I was a victim of having the 'wrong' skin colour.

This is not high season. Most of the venues I visited were *not* packed, so they should at least let in customers to buy drinks. (In high season, I understand they don't want "drinks only" customers.) In low season, why not just keep the customers, as long as they're buying drinks? It's revenue.

[Steve 9696]

This was my first time visiting Bangkok, with several trips to Soi Cowboy.

RawHide

I was recommended by a friend (a Thailand vet) to go in here, and it was my first time ever in a GoGo bar. I was still kind of shy about going into this kind of establishment.

It was only around 8 PM, and I allowed the front door ladies to coax me in. To my shock I was the only guy in the place! The mamasan talked to me and I stated that I was interested in drinks and no barfine. The mamasan immediately brought a lady over to sit with me (even though I didn't request or call a number).

I guess this was the top lady in there as she was super-hot. I probably would have picked her anyway. I'd say 10/10 face and 7.5/10 body. I bought her a drink. She immediately got on top of me and was, ahem, extremely persuasive with her body. All this time, the whole contingent of dancers was gyrating right in front of shy little me.

The lady on my lap kept trying to talk me into going 'upstairs' with her, even though I had said drinks only to the mamasan. The dancers were also yelling at me, cheering me on. This lady was an expert at being persuasive with her body, and it seemed like there were no limits on where I could put my hands. Let's just say I was extremely tempted, but I am only a drinks guy.

Jake,

First of all thanks for the posts. Good, interesting read. As you said, you are new to this. Understand that these places exist for one purpose only- to bar fine out as many girls as possible. And every lady drink is presumably a prelude to possible bar fine. So it is totally unsurprising to most of us that your "look only" attitude was not met with much enthusiasm. And when you get very touchy feely with a girl and then neither tip nor bar fine, outrage may occur. They are not giving the lap dances for free- again, they hope to persuade you. You can of course say "well, they offered" but I think it's a bit of taking advantage honestly.

I would not be at all surprised if the large cover at CH had nothing to do with your race (other than you are easy to identify) but rather the word getting around that you are going to waste girls time for little money. Sorry to be a bit harsh, because you are a newbie, but voyeurs who are maximizing the stretch of a baht are indeed not favored.

[Jake251]

The guy, evidently, thinks a bar provides all that for a mere 100 baht return from the mark up of a couple of drinks.

I am wondering what these guys do in their working life.

It was my first time in a GoGo Bar and I was in way over my head. I had no idea what are the norms.

Knowing what I know now, I would have tipped her.

But she should not have kicked me in any eventuality.

And yes, as I got accustomed to how it all works, I did tip various other GoGo ladies and other staff at other bars.

[BionicMan]

While I in no way condone the girl's behavior towards you outside the bar, if it had been me enjoying a particular bar girl's attention and getting randy with her in the bar; I would have tipped her 100 or 200 baht during check bin time and told her I would be seeing her again in the near future. That is if she really was as hot as you say and I liked her. Then everything would have remained friendly and set up nicely for my next visit and eventual barfine. Meeting sexy girls and shagging them is the primary reason I go to Go Go's. I don't visit Go Go's to listen to the music or to imbibe quality drinks. 555. There are other much better bars for that. Do as you please, but in this case, I think you qualify as a cheap Charlie. Remember going forward, you reap what you sow in BKK.

The guy, evidently, thinks a bar provides all that for a mere 100 baht return from the mark up of a couple of drinks.

I am wondering what these guys do in their working life.

[BionicMan]

How can you control yourself after feeling up a 10/10 Jake?

Your reports offer a different perspective of a voyeur, quite interesting feedback on all the clubs.

He must be immune to the "blue balls syndrome".