Bangkok Reports

[Goatscrot]

So, what's the deal? Are any of you guys getting really memorable or at least somewhat worthwhile sexual activities from Beer Garden ladies in exchange for them being older and, usually, less attractive than most go-go dancers? Because I can't say I have. And I have given it plenty of time and effort, imo.

I've found the BG to be complete crap since the flood of '11. Before the flood it was quite a fun place, and many gals on their way to the discos would stop in at 9 or 10 pm to make a quick 1 k before heading out to dance and party. During the flood many gals could not make it in from the 'burbs to work. Most never returned. It's been dismal ever since and gets worse by the year. I don't even bother.

[EihTooms]

PrinceMV2 - thanks, you answered a major question I've had prior to my BKK return visit. And I think age is relative. Old to you might be young to me, and probably is. Myself, I prefer experience, eagerness for business, and someone who is not mesmerized by their mobile.

You're not alone Gannaton48, I too enjoy the Bier Garten. So glad to hear it's not closed, though each year it seems the developers get closer and closer. Usually spend an hour or two there most afternoons. Grab a drink, take a look at the Bangkok Post from Foodland. If someone's around, fine. If not, off to a 24/1 MP, or 1 of the BJ bars. Have to admit, last year, over a month, only found 1, and she always seemed to be "engaged", so no success. Others mildly interesting, but nothing to overcome the gravitational pull of 24/1. But that's what I like about the BG: it's Forest Gump's box of chocolate. You never know what you're going to pull.

I tend to agree with you on the strange and occasional appeal of Beer Garden Soi 7 (Yeah, I realize that is not the German spelling, but I'm going with the way the name of it appears on virtually every large sign outside and inside the restaurant. hehe). I go there to eat sometimes or go with a friend who is into it, am fine to see who's there and do see ladies who are generally older but some are not the least bit objectionably so or ugly.

But is anyone really finding ladies there lately who, in exchange for their older age / lower level of attractiveness, try harder, work harder, are more agreeable, more accommodating, more skilled and willing to please than what one can find in most other venue options? I don't mean some handful of very long time regular ladies one has known for years and can always rely upon to deliver the goods as desired. I mean a take out of a lady someone has met recently for the first time in Beer Garden Soi 7.

I ask you guys this question because I most definitely have not found ladies in Beer Garden Soi 7 who are up for sexual favors with me that I would consider something worth my time, money and ejaculate. Full disclosure and down to the nitty gritty of it, I have little to no use for a P4 P experience that does not include at least a closely trimmed, preferably shaved pussy for pleasant DATY and the lady being willing and able to finish a blowjob like a blowjob (CIM) instead of like a handjob and / or provide BBFS. Maybe those three personal requirements (well, actually only two since the last ones are "and / or" options I am usually fine with leaving up to the lady) are standards way, way too high for most ladies who find themselves sitting on a bar stool looking for customers in Beer Garden. Or maybe there is something particularly repugnant about me that Beer Garden ladies like to look at, apparently are attracted to visually and physically enough to come around when I am in there and drape themselves all over me, try to kiss me over and over, profess profound undying "love" and "lust" for (LOL) but who just cannot imagine ever engaging in either one of those latter requirements for any sum of money in the 1,000-2,000+ baht range.

I am sometimes ok with taking an older lady, let's say well in her 30's or very early 40's, as long as she is relatively fit and not fat, in shape, and has an attractive face and demeanor. And I have seen and met many ladies who meet that standard of attractiveness in the place. But after living here for more than 5 years, visiting Beer Garden possibly 100 times over those years, meeting and chatting up what must now be around 20-25 ladies there leading to some form of take out request (from the lady) and negotiation on terms, I can count on exactly three fingers the number of ladies who actually agreed to EITHER of those "and / or" terms above. And two of those three ladies lied, in fact they did NOT finish a blowjob like a blowjob (CIM) instead of a handjob once we were back in my room. LOL. I'm going to call that an abysmal record of success in getting what I want sexually from the P4 P ladies of Beer Garden.

On that factor, I definitely have MUCH better success with young, hot go-go bar girls than older, once hot but now only passably acceptable Beer Garden ladies. Case in point: About 2 weeks ago I stopped in Beer Garden around 11 PM for a drink and saw an uncharacteristically lovely (for Beer Garden) lady of about 30 with a great shape and sweet face. She could not stop smiling across the bar at me so I stopped by to introduce myself on the way out. She seemed delighted by the move. Deciding that this time I won't "negotiate" or mention anything about what I need and want sexually, a method I try every now and then in these situations just to mix it up and see if the results improve, I asked if she would like to go with me tonight and she eagerly agreed. But, as is as predictable from my experience with Beer Garden ladies as night following day, in the room her position was NO blowjob of any kind, most definitely not to a CIM completion and NO BBFS. Fine, that is the ladies choice, I didn't screen beforehand, I still pay up something reasonable and, in fact, even leave it up to her if she wants to make this a ST or a LT. She chose to make it a LT and we cuddled until we fell asleep and I gave her 2,000 the next morning. For nothing, I know. Nothing sexually for me, I mean, except for her company all night. But, again, the no condom thing is my problem, not hers and I had not screened for any particular act before we left the bar so it is on me to make good on the very long time all night and into mid-morning she spent with me. And I liked her.

I happened to go back to Beer Garden again just a few nights ago because a friend wanted to eat there and a fairly attractive 40-ish year old lady, actually looking pretty good for her age in a cleavage-revealing tight-fitting outfit, is all over me. She can't take her hands and lips off me while I sit as non-committal as I can on a bar stool and wait for my friend to finish his meal. This was around 11 PM and there were hardly any other customers in there but plenty of ladies. After her umpteenth promise to "love" me forever since she had never met anyone so sexy and good-looking as me (LOL) along with an assurance that if I took her tonight she would do "Everything. Up to you", I decided to put that classic pitch to a test, this time discretely between her and I at the bar and no waiting to find out what happens back in the room. Trimmed or shaved for pleasant DATY? Yep, no problem there. Will she finish a blowjob for me like a blowjob (CIM) or will she turn it into a handjob before the finish? Nope, cannot do. Ok with BBFS? Nope, cannot do. So much for "Everything. Up to you". My friend and I left soon after. I paid for my drink and the pineapple juice she ordered.

The very next night I go into Bangkok Bunnies go-go bar in Nana Plaza, call over a slender, sexy, mid-20's island girl type with an ass as sweet as a peach, flat stomach, and perky firm natural tits I had seen in there a couple of weeks ago but this was our first meeting. Within 15 minutes and during the first and only Lady Drink I bought her, she has happily agreed to my requirements in exchange for me paying the 850 baht barfine and agreeing to pay her 2,500 baht after. We wound up with BBFS after lovely, extended preliminary BBBJ oral foreplay. The difference in what I paid her and what I paid the first Beer Garden lady I mentioned above was WELL worth it to me considering the massive difference in sexual results and rewards. And that is the typical difference between my experience with Beer Garden ladies and girls in almost any go-go bar in the city. But I would also like to try and solve this great Beer Garden mystery for me and might enjoy a rewarding romp with an older but still attractive lady for less money than a go-go dancer usually requires every now and then. Why not.

So, what's the deal? Are any of you guys getting really memorable or at least somewhat worthwhile sexual activities from Beer Garden ladies in exchange for them being older and, usually, less attractive than most go-go dancers? Because I can't say I have. And I have given it plenty of time and effort, imo.

[Wimble]

VeloDots, I tend to agree with Robert Long. They have a bad reputation, most likely well earned. You can't always see the pimp but they tend to be within eye sight. There are also reports of them rolling punters. Because of that and other problems, they are often not allowed into some of the regular FL bars. The other problem is the high HIV rates in the nations from whence they come, like Kenya.

I have not seen any acceptable African WG in Bkk. And where are the reports on secessions with African WG's? I do not remember reading any in this forum. That should tell you something.

The expertise that is shared here by many seniors says a lot to the sport we all share. If any of those have experiences with AWG's please post.

I have heard rumors while in Bkk that the AWG's will rip you off in a New York minute. They are from a very difficult life and are controlled by some group that keep tight lines on each lady and that have demands that the ladies must answer too.

I witnessed 2 AWG's fighting in the morning around Soi7/1 below Nana bts. A Black man was the boss and he let them fight. The Thai police just watched and did nothing.

Good luck in your hunting just be alert.

RL.

Cool, thanks. True, that encounter did get me thinking about how unpleasant it would be to sleep next to someone who'd feel trapped in my hotel room for the night. I disagree that the African FLs aren't good-looking thoughobviously some are hotter than others, but I wouldn't paint them with so broad a brush. What did kill the buzz a bit, though, besides the surly attitude of the one I approached, was that her English wasn't as good as I was expecting (or was led to believe by some blog posts floating around). Oh well, the prospect of banging one of those girls was good fantasy fodder for 8 or 9 months, ha.

I'm on my 3rd visit to Bangkok at the moment and 2nd one in which I'm "indulging. " I prefer black girls (with very dark skin) and big asses, so while I don't mind hanging out at Crazy House for a bit to watch (when there are girls who actually do more than stand there), I mostly prefer hunting elsewhere.

Anyway, what is the going rate for the African FLs? I didn't approach any on my previous trip because I came down with a bad cold and it put a damper on my mongering plans. I have spent a few evenings strolling along Soi 4 and along the odd-numbered side of Sukhumvit, so I've seen who's around lately. Last night, I was a little late getting out (around 10 PM) and, unusually, it took me a while to come across any of the lookers on Soi 4.

[MonkeyPaw]

I sat for almost an hour last evening... Could find only aged ugly ladies... Lastly am too surprised to see many very good looking western guys romancing the ugliest, out of shape, ladies who can easily find roles in horror movies. I wished I could tell those guys common buddy see your personality and see the lady you are lip kissing with.

Cheers.

This might rank as the best post of the year! Don't ever believe that beauty is in the eye of the beholder crap. Beauty is always the majority opinion rules. Glad we got to hang out in Pattaya for a bit.

[11Bravo]

I sat for almost an hour last evening. Had a sandwich and a beer. Could find only aged ugly ladies.

PrinceMV2 - thanks, you answered a major question I've had prior to my BKK return visit. And I think age is relative. Old to you might be young to me, and probably is. Myself, I prefer experience, eagerness for business, and someone who is not mesmerized by their mobile.

Thanks really for this contribution. Like you, adn even if many laugh about that on this forum, I like soi7 beergarden. ...And this is, to me, the unique advantage of beergarden: you can discuss with any of these MILFs for long time, they will not be angry if finanly you say non and go to another one, etc.

You're not alone Gannaton48, I too enjoy the Bier Garten. So glad to hear it's not closed, though each year it seems the developers get closer and closer. Usually spend an hour or two there most afternoons. Grab a drink, take a look at the Bangkok Post from Foodland. If someone's around, fine. If not, off to a 24/1 MP, or 1 of the BJ bars. Have to admit, last year, over a month, only found 1, and she always seemed to be "engaged", so no success. Others mildly interesting, but nothing to overcome the gravitational pull of 24/1. But that's what I like about the BG: it's Forest Gump's box of chocolate. You never know what you're going to pull.

[EihTooms]

In my experience, short time from a free lancer is much shorter than short time from a go-go girl. Go-go girls might average about 2 hours with me. Free lancers might average 1 hour.

Same for me in my experience. I posted something about this in the Pattaya Reports thread a few days ago. Many go-go girls manage their time spent away from the bar with a customer mindful of whether or not they can get done with you and back to the bar in time to perhaps meet, charm and maneuver a second barfine for the night with a second customer. I believe most go-go girls aren't trying to get nor want to work more than 2 barfines per night, night after night, anyway, so it is generally based on possibly getting 2 per evening if they can swing it. Time it right based on what time the bar closes and she might calculate that she doesn't really have enough time to return to the bar and bank another barfine for the night even if she rushes you through it anyway, so no hurry, might as well relax and go with the flow.

However, a freelancer's number of sessions in an evening isn't connected to a barfine system or the time a bar closes. The sooner she gets done with you, the faster she gets back out on the street to meet another customer, no changing of clothes, shuffling on stage and so on required. And if she burns through 5 STs in a single night, she can just skip tomorrow, stay home and rest up the next night or two or three without penalty.

[HorseTrader]

Went back a lot of pages but saw little in rates that punters are paying for free lancers and also bar girls in bar fine and money to the girl.

Understand that it will differ from area to area and bars. Any help and ranges would be appreciated. Will be staying around Nana Plaza and will also visit soi Cowboy. Regards.

My experience in prices is similar to what Eih Tooms wrote. Of course, prices are highly variable. Of about 25 sessions in Bangkok in 2017, my very best experience was with a girl from Butterflys (3rd floor Nana Plaza), and she only asked for 2000 baht; the first session was about 3 hours and the 2nd session was about 10 hours.

In my experience, short time from a free lancer is much shorter than short time from a go-go girl. Go-go girls might average about 2 hours with me. Free lancers might average 1 hour.

I only have a couple of sessions with the variety of bar girls you find at places such as Stumble Inn and many others. Those sessions were a bit less than 2,000 baht and lasted about 2 hours. These girls were not as attractive as the go-go girls that I picked for ST.

[EihTooms]

Went back a lot of pages but saw little in rates that punters are paying for free lancers and also bar girls in bar fine and money to the girl.

Understand that it will differ from area to area and bars. Any help and ranges would be appreciated. Will be staying around Nana Plaza and will also visit soi Cowboy. Regards.

I assume what I experienced tonight was about average for a go-go bargirl in Nana Plaza.

I just had a ST with a go-go dancer from Bangkok Bunnies in Nana Plaza; 850 baht barfine to the bar (it can be almost double that for certain girls in some Nana Plaza go-go bars) plus 2,500 baht to her. I hadn't asked her about "How much?" for her but there was a clumsy moment when the mamasan came over to tell me the barfine was 850 and asked if I was going to take her for ST or LT. That is when the girl interjected (noisy go-go bar, you know) that it is 3,000 baht to her for ST. Well, my rule is the moment a girl talks money with "How much", I immediately comeback with "For what", meaning I tell her what I would be willing to pay that much for. And I do that no matter what the amount is stated. "How much" goes hand-in-hand with "For what" for me in terms of a couple of details I want to make sure are on the table before I just say "ok" to any baht amount. So I hesitated and somewhat waved off the mamasan waiting for me to give her the barfine money in order to discuss that with the girl. It was during that hesitation that the girl leaned in closer and told me "2,500 ok for ST", coming down 500 baht from what she had just said 10 seconds ago. LOL. Some great negotiation skills from me, right?

Still, I covered what I wanted from her in terms of FS if I paid that amount, if you forgive the pun, she agreed and off we went to my nearby apartment. There were no unpleasant surprises in the room, all was well and worth it to me. I would say this particular girl, mid-20's, kids but no apparent baby damage, not a tight little spinner but a nicely proportioned full grown woman neither fat nor chubby, has one of the better bodies in the place.

My only recent experience with freelancers has been with a couple of better looking girls around the Sukhumvit/Soi 4 area and that has been 1,000-1,500 for ST and FS my way.

[Robert Long]

Some guys just need to buy that fine bottle of wine at 7-11.

Kind of like, Military Intelligence or Jumbo Shrimp. 555 but oh so true. I have seen European guys with AWG's so I assume that they see thru different eyes. A lady I knew in Bkk just mailed me that she just married a man from Denmark. She is all of 80 lbs wet and he is almost 300 lbs. You got to love these matches.

Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. I'll stick to Thai ladies that are 48 k and 150 cm. Just rambling here.

RL.

[Reaper78]

Last night, around 10.30 pm, I was passing by Lumpini park on Wireless road. Saw at least 10 to 15 streetwalkers along the park's fence trying to drum up business. They were really nicely dress in tight tops and miniskirts. Would have tried to pick one up for a test run, but it is kind of hard to pick up a short time shag while you are in a road bike, cycling back home after doing a 40 km ride aross the Chao Phraya river.

Anyway, I had read about these working girls years ago in the papers and thought this setup had died out years ago. Apparently I was wrong. Just wondering if any forum member had tried this recently. If so, would it be worth it? Thanks.

[LifeIsABeach]

Went back a lot of pages but saw little in rates that punters are paying for free lancers and also bar girls in bar fine and money to the girl.

Understand that it will differ from area to area and bars. Any help and ranges would be appreciated. Will be staying around Nana Plaza and will also visit soi Cowboy. Regards.

[Breadman]

I saw one a few years ago. Definite stunner. But that's the only one I ever saw. The selection of African girls in BKK is pathetic. I can hardly believe anyone ever takes them given that there are so many hot Thai girls to choose from.

Some guys just need to buy that fine bottle of wine at 7-11.

[Smoothy]

I have not seen any acceptable African WG in Bkk.

I saw one a few years ago. Definite stunner. But that's the only one I ever saw. The selection of African girls in BKK is pathetic. I can hardly believe anyone ever takes them given that there are so many hot Thai girls to choose from.

[Robert Long]

I'm on my 3rd visit to Bangkok at the moment and 2nd one in which I'm "indulging. " I prefer black girls (with very dark skin) and big asses, so while I don't mind hanging out at Crazy House for a bit to watch (when there are girls who actually do more than stand there), I mostly prefer hunting elsewhere.

I should contribute a short report before I get to my question. I did have a body-to-body massage with Linda at Honey Bee last week, which was excellent. Pear-shaped body type, big boobs and amazing ass to squeeze. Pretty rare for an Asian girl of any ethnicity, apart from the freakishly-proportioned ones you sometimes see in Japanese pornos! She was quite funny (called me a "ladyboy" for being "so beautiful" did DFK, and "liked" me enough to "forget" that I had ordered a BJ and not FS. She let me pleasure her, and in the end wanted more than I could deliver. WIR? Absolutely!

Anyway, what is the going rate for the African FLs? I didn't approach any on my previous trip because I came down with a bad cold and it put a damper on my mongering plans. I have spent a few evenings strolling along Soi 4 and along the odd-numbered side of Sukhumvit, so I've seen who's around lately. Last night, I was a little late getting out (around 10 PM) and, unusually, it took me a while to come across any of the lookers on Soi 4. Finally, I found a few who were sitting outside one of the convenience stores for a phone break. I approached them, but they seemed to be more into their phones and not really very friendly. One named Joanne quoted 2000 for 1 hour and 7000 for long time. I thought I had read somewhere that they would throw out ridiculous numbers just to bait you, but in reality you could go long time for 1500. So I tried 1500, after which she completely ignored me and went back to her phone. Maybe it was a lowball offer, but you could at least play the game of haggling, right? I have heard mixed things about their attitudes / personalities, but they can't all be so surly. Right?

Also, I see a couple people mentioned the cart bar (s) on Soi 23. Does that refer to the one at the end of the soi? I'm staying close by and I often see the same two black girls hanging out there. One is thick, the other is not really my type. Any experiences?

I have not seen any acceptable African WG in Bkk. And where are the reports on secessions with African WG's? I do not remember reading any in this forum. That should tell you something.

The expertise that is shared here by many seniors says a lot to the sport we all share. If any of those have experiences with AWG's please post.

I have heard rumors while in Bkk that the AWG's will rip you off in a New York minute. They are from a very difficult life and are controlled by some group that keep tight lines on each lady and that have demands that the ladies must answer too.

I witnessed 2 AWG's fighting in the morning around Soi7/1 below Nana bts. A Black man was the boss and he let them fight. The Thai police just watched and did nothing.

Good luck in your hunting just be alert.

RL.

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They'll quote you 2000, but usually come down to 1000 for ST, or maybe 1500 if you're unlucky. Lower Suk streetwalkers are not exactly upmarket, and Africans there are neither especially exotic (there are dozens of them), nor good looking. Africans seem hardcore, out to maximize earnings by turning as many tricks as possible, rather than just to earn enough for the night and go home as some Thai freelancers do. I doubt LT is what many Africans are after. Maybe if it's getting late, but even then, it won't be cheap.

In recent years, I've been reluctant to do LT in Thailand. Service is too much of a hit-and-miss these days, and I'd hate to either pay the LT price for ST or worse, sleep next to someone who'd rather not be there. Maybe negotiate both an ST and LT rate, and extend the ST if it goes well.

Now its up to each individual to decide but. I would recommend. Always go ST unless repeating (and no guarantees here either) I always demand min 2 hrs min 2 pops. I always offer base price plus tip if good performance and I do honour my agreed incentives tips. I also offer them to stay if they wish (some do, some don't) but no more money will be exchanged, I make that quite clear. And I say we will be sleeping. My usual is to kick them out. I prefer to sleep alone. This MO allows you to control the situation, as the point was made not overpay for poor performance, gives you the option to extend or pay more if you wish and every so often they stay and you get a pleasant surprise next morning which I may reward but not at "usual" FT rate. This is my MO everywhere I monger. I get very few knock backs. I must say I am eager to go black too but the standard in Thailand is well below what will get me hard.