Bangkok Reports

[Mogwai]

I know a lot of residents here who are using these apps almost exclusively. Yes, there is a lot of crap to wade through but this is where the gals are now. AR summed it up. Why should a gal sit in the BG Soi 7, Thermae, or any other place if she can sit at home or at a coffee shop and ply her trade? It is becoming the bottom of the barrel who are pounding the pavement so to speak.

Which brings me to my quandary. Back in the day the gals were not so "skilled' but the majority wanted to have fun and at least acted like they wanted to be there. Now the lookers get by on just being lookers. With the days of fun GFEs kind of a thing of the past I am faced with two options. Younger better looking gals who for the most part are not very skilled, not looking for fun, and wanting to grab that money and get out as fast as possible (amazing to pay 3 times what you used to for far less service), or much much older gals with very polished skill sets who just aren't that attractive. I am finding that even the younger gals in the PSE shops don't really have the repertoire to make a 90 minute session interesting. The approaching or over 40 set is quite different. Many have mastered the art of stimulation and even during a long protracted BBBJ they are still not out of tricks. They are in tune to a man's zones and know how to coax, how to tease, and how to give pleasure. Now truth be told in many ways I don't find either of these options to be optimal. Old well, is old. And unskilled is well, boring after 5 minutes. When I have either experience I leave kind of just thinking "meh. " So I really don't take that many gals these days. My three to four a week has dwindled to 3 a month and perhaps at some point it will be even less as the rotation of oily gals that I like is dwindling as they age. Old and skilled or young pretty and fairly useless. Not really great choices in my mind. Would love to see a place with amazingly well trained gals between the ages of 25-32.

So why don't you use these apps Goat? No offence but: you live in BKK, you speak Thai, you know the culture, you are literally surrounded by millions of girls, and yet you screw only 3 girls a month?
Even 'well trained gals between the ages of 25-32' shouldn't be too hard to find if you make clear in your profile what you're looking for.
The good old days will never come back. The times have changed and whether you like it or not it's time to explore new WoW's.

[The Pro]

I know a lot of residents here who are using these apps almost exclusively. Yes, there is a lot of crap to wade through but this is where the gals are now. AR summed it up. Why should a gal sit in the BG Soi 7, Thermae, or any other place if she can sit at home or at a coffee shop and ply her trade? It is becoming the bottom of the barrel who are pounding the pavement so to speak.

WeChat. The best, but lots of ladyboys on there, generally though they say they are in their status. (By the way the girls get a bit upset if you ask them if they are a ladyboy all the time, so don't ask). Great to use thanks to discovery of people near you function. All countries over Asia WeChat is the main one for finding pro's and part timers looking for some extra cash in exchange for fun. Downside lots of pimps use it in certain countries, always make sure the profile has lots of photos on it, of the same girl and at different dates.

Tinder. Good, used by Thai and Farang girls / ladies, generally more English speaking. Again discovery function to find people near you and uses just a photo of you from facebook. So totally discrete, no names. Quite a few horny farang women in Bangkok looking for dinner and dance in exchange for letting you get inside their panties. And they say they are not doing it for money. Hahahahahaha. Yes, of course free dinner and drinks is not like getting something for sex.

Line. Good for general chatting once you have made the initial connection and got their Line ID or phone to message with them.

I generally find on WeChat or Tinder and then move over to chat via Line.

As is the same for the girls, same for men. Why bother walking around the hot streets or wasting time and money sat in bars and disco's. Sometimes its easier to simply stay at home and search via WeChat. Or pop down for a foot massage at Sukhumvit and hunt on WeChat while relaxing getting your feet massaged in a nice cool salon.

[Goatscrot]

Have to wonder though how many bookings using facebook, wechate, Line etc end up in the dumpster? Years back I used to call escort agency's and more than half the time the girl didn't look anything like her photo's. You no longer need to be a computer wiz to master photoshop.

I know a lot of residents here who are using these apps almost exclusively. Yes, there is a lot of crap to wade through but this is where the gals are now. AR summed it up. Why should a gal sit in the BG Soi 7, Thermae, or any other place if she can sit at home or at a coffee shop and ply her trade? It is becoming the bottom of the barrel who are pounding the pavement so to speak.

[Crazy4Thai]

Sounds like are rotating the go-go girls. Tonight they do the service jobs tomorrow they get to hustle. Same hurry up attitude to get back to the floor for the next John.

Someone will get smart and change the atmosphere. Get away from the stage and pole and into something like a mellow Jazz club. Stop the dam loud music and the boring pole dance. Kind of a hostess club setting. Girls in Bikinis as waitress that can sit down a squeeze your second head. There is nothing of interest in Nana that is worth my time.

RL.

I can see why you might think "rotation" but it does not work that way. The service staff can be bar fined if they want to go but the wgs are not going to "step down" to service level. And just to clarify, I've never actually done this in a gogo. Only beer bars and a couple of hotel receptionists. But I know the service staff is often available in the gogos.

[Breadman]

AR, Very well stated and I could not agree more. Your point about technology is spot on. Even some of the oily gals are working WeChat while they are sitting in the parlor. It's the way the business is done now. And in some ways so much more impersonal. You are right; those days are not coming back and I for one sure miss them.

Have to wonder though how many bookings using facebook, wechate, Line etc end up in the dumpster? Years back I used to call escort agency's and more than half the time the girl didn't look anything like her photo's. You no longer need to be a computer wiz to master photoshop.

[Danton1789]

Hello guys,

Benn at Nataree, two times in January and each time with the same girl, Jean. She's quite easy to spot: white-skinned, big boobs and red hair. At this time she wore a charming green dress.

I may had that fishbowl girls were mainly below average, but still better-looking than the sideline girls? Man, given that rooms surely need some refreshing, I would greatly recommend other locations in the same price range, even from the same owner like Alaina.

What to say? Well I was hooked by the first encounter. Don't know why really because she didn't kiss, no anal, no DATY, no 69. Hmm HM, I see some of you smiling already; o) But she spoke very good English, we had quite a nice chat and I sympathized with her.

So a couple of days and a dozen of girls later, I minded to see her again, spotted her immediately and to the chat again because she didn't wen any further. OK I had my doses of all-you-can-eat sex this week so I really enjoyed this moment and we exchanged email addresses.

Sadly the girl started asking for money, invoking difficulties in life ranging from her father cancer to car reimbursement, not talking about the chores of getting an iPhone 6 plus.

In brief the girl wasn't hot at bed, but finally lost the sole interest I had which was our nice chat.

So guys, avoid this girl and save 2000 bath.

[Goatscrot]

Completely sympathize and have been wanting to write a bit on this topic as I have seen it told similarly in several other threads. What a difference 15 years makes. My first trip to BKK and second P4 P experience (massage girl from Sabai Sabai at Ambassador Hotel) was in BKK in '99. I never got much into the Cowboy or Nana scenes and always preferred Soi Zero (eradicated) and the four beer bar areas between Nana and Cowboy, which have all been long bulldozed to make way for the underground, Chuvit Park and something else. Not to mention the lovelies that used to be available in the wee hours at Thermae and Nana Disco.

The reality is that the economic, social and technological models have all changed. Especially on Sukhimvit, the whole area has been under extreme gentrification. Does somebody who has just bought a condo for USD250 k in the development in what was the Ambassador parking lot want to look down at a bunch of beer bars or the lovely manicured Chuvit Park? Extend this thinking down the sois and that is the story of our beloved beer bars with their regular supply of Isaan freshies. The government didn't much care for the eyesore of these establishments and was happy to pull out the morality card and progress the gentrification.

But even more substantial has been the blitz of technology. 15 years ago girls were lucky enough to have a phone capable of SMS. It was a struggle for her to communicate outside of the bar. The bar as a location was key. The money (punters) went to the honey (working girls). Now any girl fresh from the rice paddies will make her first purchase a smartphone with data, easily accessible for a couple see-notes. And since Line, Facebook, WeChat, Twitter, etc. Are all free and don't need any education to use (think of all the apps that come with translation software embedded too! Working girls have little barriers to moving their business into cyberspace. Why spend your nights doing a lethargic version of the Bangkok two-step or deal with strict rules of the mamasan when you can get your contacts online and wait for business to come to you? And this is where a lot of those cute University girls are going as well. Remember the droves of lower class uni girls that used to go to Nana Disco and other venues on weekends? Again, why bother when you can just broadcast on WeChat and wait for somebody within 2 km to hit on you? This is why we see less and less talented lovelies in the bars and gogos. With mobile technology being where it is, if you are an elementary-educated girl with a good body and face, you just have a better option than hanging out in Nana parking lot or worse working nights in a beer bar or gogo. The bar owners are feeling this as well as high quality girls are harder and harder to keep given that customers can virtually poach them or the girls themselves will find these better options once they learn the enabling technology. And this is working from another angle. Pimps are getting much better with using this. Why open a bar when you can just keep a virtual stable of girls and pimp them as demand comes (there is a guy who seems to be working 3-4 younger girls on CraigsList BKK this way).

And mongers used to (or worse, dependent upon) the old bricks-and-mortar shopping methods are struggling with these changes. Having been to Saigon, Jakarta, Bangkok and Manila in the last 2 years, I can say that the old industrialized model where any Joe Monger could fly in unannounced and go pick a girl off the rack at a bargain price at a wide variety of venues is truly on its way out. Particularly in Asia, the economy doesn't need it, the locals don't want it and the girls don't prefer it. Yes, there are still some sputtering remains, most namely in BKK, MNL and Jakarta, but they are a shadow of their former selves. And it won't get any better as time goes on and it definitely won't ever go back to the way it was. Just my observation over the same period. Enjoy it all, AsianRain.

AR, Very well stated and I could not agree more. Your point about technology is spot on. Even some of the oily gals are working WeChat while they are sitting in the parlor. It's the way the business is done now. And in some ways so much more impersonal. You are right; those days are not coming back and I for one sure miss them.

[Sunlover2]

But even more substantial has been the blitz of technology. 15 years ago girls were lucky enough to have a phone capable of SMS. It was a struggle for her to communicate outside of the bar. The bar as a location was key. The money (punters) went to the honey (working girls). Now any girl fresh from the rice paddies will make her first purchase a smartphone with data, easily accessible for a couple see-notes. And since Line, Facebook, WeChat, Twitter, etc. Are all free and don't need any education to use (think of all the apps that come with translation software embedded too! Working girls have little barriers to moving their business into cyberspace. Why spend your nights doing a lethargic version of the Bangkok two-step or deal with strict rules of the mamasan when you can get your contacts online and wait for business to come to you? And this is where a lot of those cute University girls are going as well. Remember the droves of lower class uni girls that used to go to Nana Disco and other venues on weekends? Again, why bother when you can just broadcast on WeChat and wait for somebody within 2 km to hit on you? This is why we see less and less talented lovelies in the bars and gogos. With mobile technology being where it is, if you are an elementary-educated girl with a good body and face, you just have a better option than hanging out in Nana parking lot or worse working nights in a beer bar or gogo. The bar owners are feeling this as well as high quality girls are harder and harder to keep given that customers can virtually poach them or the girls themselves will find these better options once they learn the enabling technology. And this is working from another angle. Pimps are getting much better with using this. Why open a bar when you can just keep a virtual stable of girls and pimp them as demand comes (there is a guy who seems to be working 3-4 younger girls on CraigsList BKK this way).

And the prices these technology savvy ladies are asking seems to be more in line with the on-line escort agencies rather than the Beergarden / NPL pricing levels.

SL.

[Asian Rain]

Moving to Bangkok as a spry thirty four year old in 99, I was overwhelmed at the sheer volume of P4 P gals available in the many venues on and around Lower Sukhumvit Road.

Completely sympathize and have been wanting to write a bit on this topic as I have seen it told similarly in several other threads. What a difference 15 years makes. My first trip to BKK and second P4 P experience (massage girl from Sabai Sabai at Ambassador Hotel) was in BKK in '99. I never got much into the Cowboy or Nana scenes and always preferred Soi Zero (eradicated) and the four beer bar areas between Nana and Cowboy, which have all been long bulldozed to make way for the underground, Chuvit Park and something else. Not to mention the lovelies that used to be available in the wee hours at Thermae and Nana Disco.

The reality is that the economic, social and technological models have all changed. Especially on Sukhimvit, the whole area has been under extreme gentrification. Does somebody who has just bought a condo for USD250 k in the development in what was the Ambassador parking lot want to look down at a bunch of beer bars or the lovely manicured Chuvit Park? Extend this thinking down the sois and that is the story of our beloved beer bars with their regular supply of Isaan freshies. The government didn't much care for the eyesore of these establishments and was happy to pull out the morality card and progress the gentrification.

But even more substantial has been the blitz of technology. 15 years ago girls were lucky enough to have a phone capable of SMS. It was a struggle for her to communicate outside of the bar. The bar as a location was key. The money (punters) went to the honey (working girls). Now any girl fresh from the rice paddies will make her first purchase a smartphone with data, easily accessible for a couple see-notes. And since Line, Facebook, WeChat, Twitter, etc. Are all free and don't need any education to use (think of all the apps that come with translation software embedded too! Working girls have little barriers to moving their business into cyberspace. Why spend your nights doing a lethargic version of the Bangkok two-step or deal with strict rules of the mamasan when you can get your contacts online and wait for business to come to you? And this is where a lot of those cute University girls are going as well. Remember the droves of lower class uni girls that used to go to Nana Disco and other venues on weekends? Again, why bother when you can just broadcast on WeChat and wait for somebody within 2 km to hit on you? This is why we see less and less talented lovelies in the bars and gogos. With mobile technology being where it is, if you are an elementary-educated girl with a good body and face, you just have a better option than hanging out in Nana parking lot or worse working nights in a beer bar or gogo. The bar owners are feeling this as well as high quality girls are harder and harder to keep given that customers can virtually poach them or the girls themselves will find these better options once they learn the enabling technology. And this is working from another angle. Pimps are getting much better with using this. Why open a bar when you can just keep a virtual stable of girls and pimp them as demand comes (there is a guy who seems to be working 3-4 younger girls on CraigsList BKK this way).

And mongers used to (or worse, dependent upon) the old bricks-and-mortar shopping methods are struggling with these changes. Having been to Saigon, Jakarta, Bangkok and Manila in the last 2 years, I can say that the old industrialized model where any Joe Monger could fly in unannounced and go pick a girl off the rack at a bargain price at a wide variety of venues is truly on its way out. Particularly in Asia, the economy doesn't need it, the locals don't want it and the girls don't prefer it. Yes, there are still some sputtering remains, most namely in BKK, MNL and Jakarta, but they are a shadow of their former selves. And it won't get any better as time goes on and it definitely won't ever go back to the way it was. Just my observation over the same period. Enjoy it all, AsianRain.

[Syzygies]

IMHO it is actually a complex picture and I will describe what I think is ONE factor. The short version of this is that the players on both sides of the game have simply become callused. Even new talent becomes callused in a short time. Here is my example. Like many others here I like the experience with part timers. One version of a part timer is the service staff in gogos or beer bars. I have had some very good experiences with some of these ladies. They can seem to be surprised and flattered when I invite them to go with me instead of the "pros" and the experience in the room has been remarkable. Lately I've had a different experience. 3 times now, the service lady has been eager to go but has been a non performer in the room. As a result I pay a minimal amount and they squawk demanding the price of gogo talent. The last one offered a HJ for 2,000 baht! She's obviously dreaming of big money for minimal effort. It's all about what they've heard and it's all about the money. Unlike when the money and the fun were on at least equal footing. Callused.

I think depends a lot on level of experience of the girl and if she ever had good sex before, or how often.

I remember 20 years ago a young newbie at Nana Plaza. She liked the sex so much, she kept waking me up for more through the night. I guess Thai boys previously had been slam bam thankyou mam types. Can't say I have had an experience like that in recent years, with a girl clearly of so limited experience, but loving sex. I have had some very experienced older semi-nymphos LOL. Very few semi-virgins around any more. LOL.

Many customers don't care if the girl likes the sex or not. So girls get bored with it, if they get too much. Girls getting only the occasional fuck, can be quite horny in my experience.

I always prefer to be a girl's early customer, if she will have multiple for the day. Fresh girls are definitely better.

[Syzygies]

So far so good, except this older American guy who was talking to our translator interjected himself into the conversation by telling me that my friend did not speak English and the going rate was 3000 bt LT. I told him I knew about her lack of English and that she had just accepted my offer for 2000 bt. Then this guy has the audacity to say that I am cheap and the girl has a 'family to support' and should pay the higher rate. WTF!! I told him the going rate was 2000 bt for LT here (at midnight). In actuality, the going rate is whatever the buyer and seller agree is a fair exchange for goods and services wherever you might be. Frankly, it was none of this guys business and he had his head up his ass by even talking to me about it. To top it off, he looked at me disapprovingly as I left with my friend.

Just like there are ISGers who want to 2nd guess someone's posted experience (and never game to post their own experience), there are those who can't mind their own business. He could be helpful and warn BB customers which ones are lady boys, but certainly has no business in price deals, even if you offered a lousy price (by modern standards). The girl may have been happy to get anything at all. To me there is no going rate. Different girls have different prices and can vary depending on the customer too.

[Simian]

I went to Bangkok Beat last night as it is one of my favorite haunts. As usual, plenty of girls there, though almost all P4 P but there are the occassional part timers and / or freebies, which is what I am on the lookout for. While walking about, I spied a cute and attractive girl with a nice perky figure about 22 yo. She was standing in the corner of the bar next to another girl who definitly looked like a P4 P. I exchanged glances with the cutie and she smiled back so decided to slip next to her.

Within a minute we were dancing on this spot and within two, we were kissing and fondling each other. I asked her a question and she immediately asked her friend what I said. Her friend then told me that my cutie did not speak English. However, she offered her translation services and said her friend would go with me for 3000 bt LT. Not sure if they were really friends or just met at the club but, nevertheless, I countered with 2000 bt for LT whereupon my new girl enthusiastically agreed.

So far so good, except this older American guy who was talking to our translator interjected himself into the conversation by telling me that my friend did not speak English and the going rate was 3000 bt LT. I told him I knew about her lack of English and that she had just accepted my offer for 2000 bt. Then this guy has the audacity to say that I am cheap and the girl has a 'family to support' and should pay the higher rate. WTF!! I told him the going rate was 2000 bt for LT here (at midnight). In actuality, the going rate is whatever the buyer and seller agree is a fair exchange for goods and services wherever you might be. Frankly, it was none of this guys business and he had his head up his ass by even talking to me about it. To top it off, he looked at me disapprovingly as I left with my friend..

Don't you hate it when some guy butts in like that to tell you your business. What a jerk! Most likely he was jealous. You never know what transpired earlier before you arrived. Maybe she turned him down even at 3,000 Bt because of his attitude. It proves the old saying, "There is no fool like an old fool. " Glad that your night turned out so well, T.

[Dan San]

I got in to BKK at 2300 Friday and was expecting a hour waiting on immigration, customs and luggage like my last visit. But that hour later I was checking into my room on Soi 8 (see Bangkok Hotels post for that report). After getting rid of the travel funk I went to the Soi 7 Beer Garden (0030-Sat). I had read that it was a decent place to find a friend for the night. Was about 20 ladies there but half were already occupied and of the remainder only a couple appealed to me. Am (think that was her name) came over and we talked a bit and drank. She's 29 with dark skin, BS and nice little ass. Has a rose tat on her upper right arm. She lives in Issan but comes to Bangkok to work the weekends, stays with her sister here. Went dancing at Bangkok Beat for awhile along with couple more drinks. Then off to climax. BTW you can get a 3-pack of Durex from the bathroom attendant. After some kissing and light fondling took her back to the hotel.

Great body when I got her clothes off. We started with taking a shower together which included a BBBJ and more kissing (tongue included). When I got her to the bed we kissed and I sucked on her erect nipples with a combo of FIV play, then moved on to DATY. After she came she grabbed my hair and rolled me over and went straight for junior. Took him in one hand while she licked and sucked my balls. Kissed up the shaft and took me all in and no gagging. I'm average size not porn star; if I was then be a series of Dan San vs. The LBFM movies. After a great BBBJ moved onto mish (where the bathroom purchase came in handy), doggy, both cow girls and finally mish again. Finally came after 30 minutes (not normal for me, too drunk so no feeling). She cleaned me up and since I was still drunk-hard and she wasn't done playing cowgirl went for another ride, bare back this time. I was getting real into it before realized there was no protection so had her finish me off with BBBJCIM. Both tired at this point so went to sleep.

Saturday morning about 0730 she said she had to go. After she got dressed laid next to me in bed and we kissed some more while she played with junior. I fondled her through her clothes while she did another BBBJ. She took her panties off and we did another round of mish and doggie. I was still hungover this morning and was tired from long trip too. But she was a determined girl and rode cowgirl until CIV.

I brought the remaining baht from my last trip and just exchanged $100 at the airport. So after our night of drinking / eating ( 1000 baht) I didn't have enough baht. Had spent rest on taxi and unexpected hotel deposit. So gave her a $100 bill and she was happy. Also at no time did she mention price and even bought some of our rounds and food.

Would I repeat=very much yes but use condom. Biggest con was since she's a true freelancer and does bareback without much thought increased chance for disease.

I'm in Bangkok for another few days then move on to Patong. So time to go eat and sample more ladies so I have something to report on tomorrow.

DS

[Tomasb]

I went to Bangkok Beat last night as it is one of my favorite haunts. As usual, plenty of girls there, though almost all P4 P but there are the occassional part timers and / or freebies, which is what I am on the lookout for. While walking about, I spied a cute and attractive girl with a nice perky figure about 22 yo. She was standing in the corner of the bar next to another girl who definitly looked like a P4 P. I exchanged glances with the cutie and she smiled back so decided to slip next to her.

Within a minute we were dancing on this spot and within two, we were kissing and fondling each other. I asked her a question and she immediately asked her friend what I said. Her friend then told me that my cutie did not speak English. However, she offered her translation services and said her friend would go with me for 3000 bt LT. Not sure if they were really friends or just met at the club but, nevertheless, I countered with 2000 bt for LT whereupon my new girl enthusiastically agreed.

So far so good, except this older American guy who was talking to our translator interjected himself into the conversation by telling me that my friend did not speak English and the going rate was 3000 bt LT. I told him I knew about her lack of English and that she had just accepted my offer for 2000 bt. Then this guy has the audacity to say that I am cheap and the girl has a 'family to support' and should pay the higher rate. WTF!! I told him the going rate was 2000 bt for LT here (at midnight). In actuality, the going rate is whatever the buyer and seller agree is a fair exchange for goods and services wherever you might be. Frankly, it was none of this guys business and he had his head up his ass by even talking to me about it. To top it off, he looked at me disapprovingly as I left with my friend.

When we arrived back at my apartment, I immediately noticed she had an outstanding body; not disturbed by child birth further confirming this guy had no idea what he was talking about. She was quite fun and wanted to get down to action right away even skipping the usual mandatory shower. As her friend had put a language app translator on her phone I was able to communicate with her in Thai vs. English. At this point, she told me that she had her very first orgasm with me and loved me (LOL). Ah. Its a many splendid thing! This was thanks, in part, to lots of liberal DATY on my part. The sheets were absolutely soaked when I was done and she had came quite a lot. I suspected that she had never gone with a farang before and not gone for P4 P based on her overall comments, behavoir in bar (most P4 P girls loath kissing a guy in a public place), and her overall mien. Also, she was not shaved, which is not my favorite when dining at the why but, at times, exceptions have to be made.

She did leave at 4:30 am as she said that she had an early work day. Since I had a good time with her, I had no problem giving her the 2000 bhat plus 100 for taxi. So not fully LT but we made another date for Sunday. Overall, just a yummie time not withstanding the price moderator in the bar.

[Robert Long]

IMHO it is actually a complex picture and I will describe what I think is ONE factor. The short version of this is that the players on both sides of the game have simply become callused. Even new talent becomes callused in a short time. Here is my example. Like many others here I like the experience with part timers. One version of a part timer is the service staff in gogos or beer bars. I have had some very good experiences with some of these ladies. They can seem to be surprised and flattered when I invite them to go with me instead of the "pros" and the experience in the room has been remarkable. Lately I've had a different experience. 3 times now, the service lady has been eager to go but has been a non performer in the room. As a result I pay a minimal amount and they squawk demanding the price of gogo talent. The last one offered a HJ for 2,000 baht! She's obviously dreaming of big money for minimal effort. It's all about what they've heard and it's all about the money. Unlike when the money and the fun were on at least equal footing. Callused.

Sounds like are rotating the go-go girls. Tonight they do the service jobs tomorrow they get to hustle. Same hurry up attitude to get back to the floor for the next John.

Someone will get smart and change the atmosphere. Get away from the stage and pole and into something like a mellow Jazz club. Stop the dam loud music and the boring pole dance. Kind of a hostess club setting. Girls in Bikinis as waitress that can sit down a squeeze your second head. There is nothing of interest in Nana that is worth my time.

RL.