Bangkok Reports

[Crocodilexp]

I have 5-6 hrs at DMK and would like to squeeze in some action. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

That's barely enough time. With limited time, I'd go for one of the the PSE massage places (Tulip, Snow White, Cherry) between Phrom Phong and Thong Lor BTS stations. They tend to be open from about 10 am-midnight. The BTS Sukhumvit line now goes all the way up to Kasetsart University, and a taxi from there to the airport should only take 10-20 min, plus about 40 min on the BTS.

There are probably places in Don Mueang or Rangsit (like a small full-serice massage shop or two), but it's bound to be limited, and I don't know the specifics.

[LineTwo]

Has anyone been to Thermae or soi cowboy recently? Are numbers way down with most of the Chinese tourists locked down?

[Asian Travels]

I have 5-6 hrs at DMK and would like to squeeze in some action. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

[Falcon 95]

Has anyone fucked this girl? Her name is Mea (pronounced May). Works at Hillary 4 on Soi 4. I only had a drink with her. She seemed to get a lot of drinks. Probably gets barfined every day.

[HorseTrader]

I'm sure others have seen this and I've probably read reports on this subject. Last night I bar fined a Nana Plaza girl. Just before we walked out of the bar, she went through a pile of Thai IDs and chose the one she wanted to use at my hotel. She showed me the ID and laughed about it. It was not her.

Otherwise, the session was pretty standard stuff. Bar fine was 1200 at about 2:00 AM. She wanted 3000, but mamasan was interpreter to get price to 2500 short time.

[Franciscass]

From Thai Visa.com.

https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/114..._campaign=news

[BlueBudgie]

We need a BJ bar directory.

Thanks for all the replies. I wasn't expecting much.

Here's my takeaway.

Quiet place to drink and talk: Billboard.

Gogo bar: baccara.

Avoid arab gogo bards: Rio etc.

BJ bar: star of light, duagporn's haven.

Most important, read the forum.

On my previous 2 visits, I had a good run. wechat worked. I was able to hook up within an hour. Climax club worked out too. Not to mention I got bbbj at snow white and angel without asking.
I also visited another one, where I got 2 shots with cim. stupid me can't remember the name.

[CoconutWater89]

I agree that the Chinese beauties are on the far end of the bell curve distribution. I am surprised that you find average Chines girls to be beautiful.

There are plenty of Thai girls that are of Chinese ancestry in Bangkok. I have rarely picked them in Soapies (if obviously Chinese), because they tend to be more voluptuous (overweight), or if skinny, very straight bodied non curvy, and not many of the obvious Chinese faces are pretty to me. Yet Thai men seem to go for them more than the normal Thai looks. I never could tell if Chinese girls had bigger tits really or just stuffed / padded bras..

No, quite the opposite. I mean more like the top 20% of Chinese girls are hotter than the top 20% of Thai girls, but the Thai girls who are around average are waayyyyy better than Chinese girls around average. Yeah I've also noticed that Thai bros in the soapies seem to love a more Chinese and East Asian ethnic look and dislike more SEA features. They also don't seem to care about curves as much.

Chinese girls, even seasoned WGs, are also complete starfish. I've had maybe 3 Chinese WGs and 1 civilian who had what I'd describe as good oral skills, with a lot flatly refusing to do it at all. A+? LOL, out of the question. Thais are amazing in bed, and I think many a man would prefer a 6/10 who knows how to please over an 8/10 who just lays there passively.

I don't have much experience with Vietnamese, but first impressions were very favorable. I got to get more time with them; there's a couple special bars they go to in Shanghai and of course they congregate at Soi 4 opposite the Hillary Bars near Nana.

[Giggsy838]

I am going to agree. Most of the go go bar girls I have liked have a preference for ST, and many are extremely reluctant to do LT, some saying they don't do LT at all (which may not be totally true). Money can buy anything but a very expensive LT is not going to be worthwhile.

One girl knocked me back late at night even for ST, saying why didn't I take her earlier while she still had the energy to a longer ST.

Some girls need their sleep, at least from 4 am onwards, and know they won't get a good night's sleep doing a LT. Others have to get home to the parents, the BF, the child or the baby.

Some bargirls will refuse LT but agree to return to your room in the morning for another ST round. The problem is not a very good percentage will actually show up. Depends how much they need the money..

You seem very experienced sir!

Seems many of the "old timers" always mention how much more value there was in Bangkok back in the day. Nowadays I suppose the rise of the Asian middle class has pushed prices much higher and lets not forget that Thailand is rapidly becoming a wealthier nation with more opportunities for Women.

Nowadays a LT will set you back at least 5 k at the minimum if not more for a stunner from a soapie or gogobar.

I guess your best shot at LT is to negotiate with the street FLs but that is always hit and miss in my opinion. You don't really have a chance to get to know them and of course safety is an issue sometimes.

Even Thermae girls are starting to turn down LT unless you offer a ridiculous price or wait till late in the night.

[Nyezhov]

You must have been out of the west for a long time, the prices for anything resembling the quality or ease of even a somewhat bad deal in BKK are a massive bargain and ease compared to most places in the west. Sure, some specific exceptions or good luck spots apply, but go to most places in the west and good fucking luck with anything like the BKK scene. Hell even stuff like partytreffs are getting priced up big for bad service with an angry romanian girl.

No dude I travel a lot. The Poor schnooks that go to Go-Go bars and drop $300 would be better off in an FKK. Just remember that if they say they're Italian, they're really Romanian.

But hey, even though I'm relaxing here in Cambodia, I'll help you guys out when you're done with all the philosophy. There's a new BJ bar I am told on soy 33 named Tokyo. Somebody needs to go take one for the team so I know if it's worth while for me to stop in when I roll into Bangkok next.

[Syzygies]

I'd say I still prefer the far right tail of the Chinese girl distribution, but in terms of the more average girls, Thai girls kick their asses for several reasons. They are actually not that much whiter than Thais, on average, imo.

I'd put it this way with regard to average girls: Chinese girls are very beautiful but not very sexy. Thai girls are extremely sexy, but not very beautiful. I'm talking about averages, not the exceptions.

I found large breasted Thais easier to find than large boobed Chinese.

Never had a proper Thai GF, but Chinese GF as a foreigner (or even as a Chinese) can be absolutely nightmarish. They become incredibly demanding after you're about 9 months in, but alas this is the Bangkok thread so I won't write out another novel about that.

Lastly, as you say, it's a huge country so there's a big amount of regional variation. Locals seem to exalt the Sichuan women; but I've found northern Chinese women the most attractive, despite their more masculine behaviour.

I agree that the Chinese beauties are on the far end of the bell curve distribution. I am surprised that you find average Chines girls to be beautiful.

There are plenty of Thai girls that are of Chinese ancestry in Bangkok. I have rarely picked them in Soapies (if obviously Chinese), because they tend to be more voluptuous (overweight), or if skinny, very straight bodied non curvy, and not many of the obvious Chinese faces are pretty to me. Yet Thai men seem to go for them more than the normal Thai looks. I never could tell if Chinese girls had bigger tits really or just stuffed / padded bras.

Thailand may have less regional variation in looks than China, but not sure. Some southern Thais don't look Thai at all. I hardly count them all as Thais. Other Southern Thailand girls can look quite similar to Issan girls. Just depends if they have any Malay ancestry or not. Northern Thai beauties is a bit of a myth to me. Some nice ones. Many can have broad faces.

Since I like slim girls, I don't find that many have big tits, but manage a natural Cee-Cup sometimes without going to fat girls. I like exotic girls and black girls too (although too few black girls are very pretty especially in Bangkok). Miss Chile and Miss S Africa attached, and a pic of 3 pretty Japanese girls (I like them all), Indonesian and a Kenyan (quite similar look to my favourite Lao girl but darker). So I can do a wide variety of nationalities but just the average China girl standard is a bit low. I suppose we could say the same for Viets, Thai, Philipinas, Indonesian, Indian, etc. I suppose one can see from the attached pics that my style tends to be far from a typical Chinese look, liking the more exotic and don't need white skin.

Are Japanese girls better than Chinese on average? Which country in Asia has the best looking girls on average? Hard to say, and very dependent on personal taste, especially as I like slim faces. Java, Thai, and Philipina might be my preference based on past experiences with Indian girls last.

Strangely Thailand wins all the beauty competitions for Ladyboys, but not so much for the real girls. Meanwhile the girls like to have surgeries to try to look like LBs, ha ha.

[Syzygies]

I'm just going to say that your point about gogo girls being happy to getting taken out for LT is probably not true most of the time.

These gogo girls (even the freelancers / Thermae bar girls) are actually looking for ST especially early in the night. They want to go as many rounds of ST as possible and hence would quote you a much higher price for LT these days.

You might have more luck if its later in the night or if you are a "handsome young man".

I am going to agree. Most of the go go bar girls I have liked have a preference for ST, and many are extremely reluctant to do LT, some saying they don't do LT at all (which may not be totally true). Money can buy anything but a very expensive LT is not going to be worthwhile.

One girl knocked me back late at night even for ST, saying why didn't I take her earlier while she still had the energy to a longer ST.

Some girls need their sleep, at least from 4 am onwards, and know they won't get a good night's sleep doing a LT. Others have to get home to the parents, the BF, the child or the baby.

Some bargirls will refuse LT but agree to return to your room in the morning for another ST round. The problem is not a very good percentage will actually show up. Depends how much they need the money.

I have done rather few LTs in the last few years, yet way back when I was 35 YO, it was all long time bookings with bargirls or Thermae girls, and was ridiculously cheap for all night. So you could really get your monies worth with multiple fucks. Girls were so cheap that one would be stupid to sleep alone. I did not do many massage girls in those days as they were more expensive. Ha ha. However used to take a Thermae Soapy MP girl all night, and even for multiple day holidays, separate from her employ. Some tit jobs in those days but not many nose jobs, and all my girls were all natural. 20 years later, I think she would have been happy to marry me, but she had gone downhill too much. Not slim enough any more and a little crazy.

[Giggsy838]

Thailand impressions from a younger guy:

It seems like all the youtube videos on do's and don'ts advice on Thailand girls are directed at the physically unattractive middle aged portly English gentleman or his Desi equivalent. I saw the bar girl ten commandments and a bunch of other youtube videos from a guy called Simon on the land of smiles youtube channel and got the impression that these ladies should detest a young visibly strong strong well endowed fella on a western middle class income and lives in a different third world Asian country; they go too hard on that p making it more difficult to work, they don't buy gifts, they generally take more effort and work, they take longer to pop, they want more pops. All these videos seem to paint a picture that the 45+ year old fat "gentle hearted" wealthy guy they can beguile into bringing them to the UK was the Thai girl's favorite customer. Maybe this is true; one can't ask and expect a truthful answer. Furthermore, these videos are talking about BAR girls; the type of girl who goes to work in a soapy / oily is going to be quite different from the type who works at a gogo bar / beer bar and it's not unreasonable to assume they have different preferences..

I'm just going to say that your point about gogo girls being happy to getting taken out for LT is probably not true most of the time.

These gogo girls (even the freelancers / Thermae bar girls) are actually looking for ST especially early in the night. They want to go as many rounds of ST as possible and hence would quote you a much higher price for LT these days.

You might have more luck if its later in the night or if you are a "handsome young man".

[CoconutWater89]

Yes while typical Chinese round faces don't suit me, nor do the overly straight bodies with flat asses. I guess the good looking Chinese girls are less than 1%. I do find Indonesian girls to have good bodies. I used to do a 9 out of 10 Java girl in my home country. She got deported back to Indonesia when her relationship with boyfriend went bad. I was sad. She was so hot with great face and body. Unfortunately I don't even have a pic of her.

Fortunately the Chinese population is huge, so plenty of Chinese beauties do exist. I think it varies by location. A 4 day visit to a friend in Guangzhou, I hardly saw a Chinese girl that impressed me for the whole visit. Even I met "Miss China" winner of a beauty competition at the golf club, she was very tall, very straight body, looked just like a lady boy to me, face nothing special for me.

Even I find very few famous Chinese movie stars to be that specially beautiful. Shu Qi was to my taste. Just a few on this list really appeal to me (even if do have the upside down triangle shaped face):

http://www.chinawhisper.com/top-20-h...ese-actresses/

Its just personal taste. Others much prefer Chinese over Thai, especially if big tits and white skin. In fact Thai men prefer Chinese girls with big tits and white skin over real Thai look girls, generally. I see how Thai men choose at Soapy MPs.

I would not consider living in Hong Kong or Guangzhou. I hated the culture and the girls did not appeal. I assume Shianghai is much better.

To be fair, out in the Issan village where my GF comes from, I find her to be the only hot adult female in town (some children are good looking and have not yet left for the big city). I know some other reasonably sexy girls from same province, but different villages. So a fairly low portion of the Issan girls are really hot for me too. Maybe its not much different to chinese proportions. I am very happy my small GF still has a great curvy body at 40 years old. Still a hot ass. However it causes me to be too fussy when mongering I think.

Interesting perspective, thank you for sharing this. I have lived in China 4. 5 years and after a cumulative 25 days in Thailand across two visits; I think my preferences are shifting. I'd say I still prefer the far right tail of the Chinese girl distribution, but in terms of the more average girls, Thai girls kick their asses for several reasons. They are actually not that much whiter than Thais, on average, ime. You might get that impression from pictures because they are notorious for filtering / photoshopping their pictures until they barely resemble their real life images. There's a lot more national / ethnic pride, and whether its WGs or civilians, that right tail is largely inaccessible for non Chinese in China, whereas the right tail seems very accessible for foreigners with Thai women. I've been flatly refused service countless times from girls who make less than 1 k usd / month in China; I can't imagine this ever happening in Thailand.

I'd put it this way with regard to average girls: Chinese girls are very beautiful but not very sexy. Thai girls are extremely sexy, but not very beautiful. I'm talking about averages, not the exceptions. I feel like even among civilians and not WGs, I can find tons of Thai girls I'd love to just bang the bejesus out of, but they wouldn't exactly look great in a photograph. I can find tons of Chinese girls who look gorgeous and like they should be painted or in a photoshoot for a magazine, but weirdly are only slightly boner inducing. Chinese girls also dress abysmally; they have some of the worst fashion ever and seem to be in collective denial about what men find attractive, causing them to often conceal their more salacious and stimulating features. All the Chinese women I work with look far better in their formal work uniforms (medium length skirt+women's dress blouse+medium heels) than when they are allowed to dress themselves; I feel like this would never happen in any other country. I got to give credit to American women; they may be super fat and unattractive on average, but at least the attractive minority know how to dress and present themselves probably better than anyone else in the world. Thais do well on this as well, however.

Chinese WGs generally have awful attitudes and you'd be shocked at how poorly they treat customers; plenty of shit they do and say to customers on a routine basis would be grounds for being fired instantly if they worked in Thailand. There's been a huge crackdown since 2017 so finding full services as a foreigner requires pre-existing connections from before the crackdown unless you can read fluently.

I found large breasted Thais easier to find than large boobed Chinese. Again it's partly the collective delusion Chinese women have about what men find attractive and a desire not to look "trashy" for facing scorn from female friends / colleagues, breast surgery is extremely rare even among financially successful WGs (I've met 4 out of maybe 60 ish) and the ones with big naturals seem to go out of their way to hide them to avoid the judgement of women or to attract "the wrong kind of man".

Never had a proper Thai GF, but Chinese GF as a foreigner (or even as a Chinese) can be absolutely nightmarish. They become incredibly demanding after you're about 9 months in, but alas this is the Bangkok thread so I won't write out another novel about that.

Lastly, as you say, it's a huge country so there's a big amount of regional variation. Locals seem to exalt the Sichuan women; but I've found northern Chinese women the most attractive, despite their more masculine behaviour.

[CoconutWater89]

Thailand impressions from a younger guy:

It seems like all the youtube videos on do's and don'ts advice on Thailand girls are directed at the physically unattractive middle aged portly English gentleman or his Desi equivalent. I saw the bar girl ten commandments and a bunch of other youtube videos from a guy called Simon on the land of smiles youtube channel and got the impression that these ladies should detest a young visibly strong strong well endowed fella on a western middle class income and lives in a different third world Asian country; they go too hard on that p making it more difficult to work, they don't buy gifts, they generally take more effort and work, they take longer to pop, they want more pops. All these videos seem to paint a picture that the 45+ year old fat "gentle hearted" wealthy guy they can beguile into bringing them to the UK was the Thai girl's favorite customer. Maybe this is true; one can't ask and expect a truthful answer. Furthermore, these videos are talking about BAR girls; the type of girl who goes to work in a soapy / oily is going to be quite different from the type who works at a gogo bar / beer bar and it's not unreasonable to assume they have different preferences. But the fact is, they are still women with needs and their clientele are fairly unattractive overall, particularly at the more western catering massage places. And I should emphasize I say that in reference to massage places; I did notice quite a lot of handsome younger guys in the gogo bars but not in the beer bars. There's a lot of good looking and younger men at the Asian catering places, though. When a handsome younger guy walks in, a non-trivial portion of these girls are actually pretty excited about it to the extent they want to meet you outside of work just for recreation and not for work without a house fee. Two, in my case, with others offering to meet at the hotel for a discounted rate. Another was somewhat mercenary and suggested that if I pay for hotel+food and take her to hua hin on a holiday, her services would be free.

I'm a guy who can't avoid thinking about maximizing value. In my perspective, strictly in terms of a "per baht" efficiency, it goes like this: 1. Freelancer 2. Oily Massage, 3. Soapy Massage (quite variable, some are even cheaper than Oily massage), 4. Gogo. I don't have enough experience with beer bars to place them, but I'm guessing it's maybe just slightly less cost efficient than freelancers. The prices at these gogos when you consider drink minimums is crazy. I can see it being very worthwhile, however, if you've got a really nice hotel and are going for long time. You could have a lot of awesome experiences for a relatively low price per pop going this way. Problem to me is, in a gogo environment it's going to be so hard to figure out which girls you have the right chemistry for that to happen with. I can "feel out" a massage girl in that 1-on-1 private environment, "test drive", and figure out if that chemistry is there that would justify dropping barfine+longtime, but with a gogo bar this kind of screening is impossible. What if you get longtime with a girl who just isn't that into it? Maybe the Thailand vets have a system down for this. Maybe if you say you want long time they sort of automatically provide good service because they're relieved to be excused from the gogo for many hours. The girls in there honestly seem soulless, bored, impatient, and restless. It was an understandable contrast from the soapy and oily girls; the gogo ones have to move around, have a hard time chatting with friends / coworkers, can't use phones, got to be in a noisy and boozey crowded environment. The massage girls have a nice quiet relaxing environment, can sit outside if it's an oily, seem to have a lot of camaraderie with their coworkers, and generally gave off the impression that they were not at all unhappy with the job, whereas I got that vibe from gogo girls. The only ones that seemed not miserable were at Baccarra.

Beer bars seem promising; there's something nice about seeing girls in more "normal" but still sexy clothes rather than gogo uniforms which can range from awesome to atrocious. A lot of the beer bars were more relaxed and not too noisy like gogos and generally felt more pleasant to be in. It felt like every time I went, there were 0-2 women who were my type, 5 who were okay, and 20 who should be paying me not the other way around. I'd walk in and immediately be swarmed by these 20 ladies aged 35+ while the ones I was interested in were busy with other customers. IDK, maybe my standards have just been set too high by living in China so long. I don't know much about beer bars and only visited the handful outside Nana; I will investigate this further on my next visit if I can avoid spending all of my time with the one from Boss Massage. Although I'm sure ISG readers are well aware, it seems a lot of western tourists are totally unaware that the massage scene exists and is so robust. I saw very few in these massage shops. The vast majority in Nancy and Angelina were Thai local men; most of the time I was the only foreigner all day in those places!

I don't get the Tulip hype. I went in 3 times asking for Golf and she was never present. Most of the women were very ugly and into their 40's, although some had some nice fake boobs and dammit a man loves A+ with a small waist fake boobed Asian woman. Some of the women were literally obese! Is golf really much more attractive than most of the ladies in here?

Overall Thailand is a god damn paradise. I could never live here or I would get even less done with my life in terms of advancing career, making money, savings etc and would just spend all time / money on mongering. My next trip will be in June or August, I've yet to choose. I could choose not to work over the summer and spend a full 7 weeks there, but I don't think I could handle the temptation.