Bangkok Reports

[LittleBigMan]

I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for LOS to have the Olympics, a widespread crackdown, make PFP illegal or become a first world nation. Unless you can hold it for at least a few decades.

Well before then I'll probably have advanced out of this world, so what happens in the business in the country will be of no concern to me. Even now my interest in returning is at an all time low, as IME personally the value in going there continues to diminish. Nothing to do with prices which in my area have not changed since 2007. Still, Siam remains a rock hard top of the world destination for single guys looking for the best bang for their buck. As solid as they come.

I agree, in my life time there will be no Olympics here! Too much corruption here the big difference the left hand has not idea what the right hand is doing? And there is the territory issue. But they do like to dream and talk! Recently because one of their cyclist won a medal at the Asian games? Some official claim they were holding next year Tour De France in Thailand. The can't even fix a road or understand how to direct traffic here! But of course if they knew and could we would be priced out?

[PinkPearl]

Most folks cannot afford to go to LOS, but as a Canadian you can go to Cuba! There is also the DR, Mexico, Costa Rica, and South America.

The folks who cannot afford to go to LOS are generally unable to afford to engage in the hobby either. Those who can afford to hobby can afford to go to LOS because it is so cheap to stay & partake there.

After a few days you've already saved so much from the cheap LOS poontang relative to Canada that it has covered the cost of your extra expenses like airfare. After that it's like getting sex for free. As a bonus, you also get no criminal record with disastrous consequences.

The average Canadian salary is about 45,000 dollars a year. How much is an economy class round trip to LOS from Canada these days, a mere 1000? Or the other places you mention?

LOS aside, the problem with the places you mention is not many mongers have an interest in going to most of them. Even the most popular of the group, South America, is quite far from Canada & several regular contributers here are not impressed with its present state of decline. They prefer Thailand.

Generally speaking Latin or Hispanic countries have issues like being relatively dangerous and a greater need for the punter to speak the lingo. Therefore, besides Thaksinland, I'd rather choose Australia, Singapore, Germany or the Netherlands.

Almost every pic or vid of Mexican PFP chicks I've seen I wouldn't do if they were paying me. I doubt DR, CR or Cubans would be much better. I prefer Thais, VN or PRC.

[Syzygies]

I won't pay it. Or pay 2500 for a gogo girl with the BF for as little time as they can get away with. I am slowly being priced out of the market. Guys have to get laid but they can get laid a lot less if necessary. At some price point when you factor in airline and hotel cost, it will be cheaper to get laid at home. But admittedly a lot less fun.

There are people like me who are half way in between an expat and a tourist. I am not retired and do not expect to be for at least another 10 years. However I live in Thailand approx. 4 months per year in total, flying in and out several times per year. Studied Thai Language over 20 years ago so pretty fluent now. Have a Thai GF (who doesn't speak English) for many years now and still stunning body, but not enough sex. So am probably looking for a liaison every 2nd day, on average. I rent by the month, but sometimes stay in Hotel just a few days to spend time with a regular "Gik".

Does not bother me to pay 3 K total for 2 hour session, when the quality is there. Its not that large an amount of money for someone in a well paid OS job. Okay I could get away with 2300 Baht maybe at an Oily including all fees, but the girls are generally too plain looking, so its difficult for me to find someone I really like a lot. All my major Oily favourites disappeared. Right now I am utilising mostly just a few regular girls that are known good performers for me, and far more pretty than average. Its possible to meet some outside and avoid shop fees or Bar Fines too (on occasions). Rock bottom prices are far less important to me than the quality of the girls looks. If I needed low prices, obviously I could try Pattaya, or Phnom Penh.

This stay in Thailand has been 2 weeks already, but only tonight did I finally try a new girl, not done before. Was a front of house PR girl at Crazy House. Pretty faced light skinned slim Laos girl. Others girls were quick to gossip to her about me, like what size is my dick, what I like doing, etc. This is very normal in all bars, Oilies etc. You don't get to have any secrets. If you get a bad reputation, many girls will shun you. Turned out she was quite reasonable fun on the bed, better than most CH girls. Was funny she did not want to kiss anymore after I had DATYed her pussy to fairly quick orgasm. Cost was well over 3 K if add up BF, girl and a few drinks. So its not economical of course. I am better off to with one of my regulars who is porn star quality and GFE on the bed and sends me to heaven and more.

I had to laugh when I saw Japanese guy walking with a "girl" who looked like a plastic alien to me (actually a LB I guess). Don't know where she came from. Perhaps Cockatoo. It amazes me how different is my taste to some Asian customers. They probably would not even consider my Laos girl, even though very pretty face. On the other hand Crazy House is popular with Japanese and Koreans too. I guess its a different group to the ones that visit Baccarat, Shark, and Cockatoo.

I see myself as gradually visiting sex establishments less and less, certainly not daily, and just meeting up with known girls. Very stuck on one favourite right now. When one girl is really just too good, it makes it hard to build the enthusiasm to keep trying others. She makes me think seriously if I have the wrong GF of course. I have also dropped off one semi-favourite who was very good on the bed but whose looks and personality were just a bit behind others. Girls have to be very special now to hold my long term interest, but I don't get bored with super girls. I prefer older girls in age group 26 to 35, with just a bit more maturity and experience, and not too silly hopefully, and still with nice slim body. Doesn't bother me if they have a child, as long as has not wrecked their body completely.

I seriously think there is a big mismatch between expats on a very tight budget and sex tourists. I feel closer to the tourist types, as not penny pinching, however know where things are and don't have immense time to waste looking for girls. I also don't quite understand when some guys want to spend big money on Hotels of course, just to lie in a bed. Discos are virtually out of the question for me, and I really hate discos like Spicey (as a very bad music quality example).

There should be separate forums ideally for tourists and expats. There was an expats forum created and unfortunately no one wants to use it I believe.

[Goatscrot]

This may be partly true but I don't know a guy who lives here who hasn't cut back on going to the gogos because the prices have and continue to rise. People have budgets for girls like everything else and if you have to decide between eating and paying the rent or decreasing the number of girls you have per month the choice is a pretty obvious one. Now for guys who fly half way around the world and have saved up for their vacation this may be more true but I also know a bunch of guys who refused to pay more than 1000 baht for FL's and have been priced out of the market and go to the Philippines or Cambodia now. For me the idea of paying 3000 baht for a FL at Climax is crazy but that is what a lot of the girls are asking. I won't pay it. Or pay 2500 for a gogo girl with the BF for as little time as they can get away with. I am slowly being priced out of the market. Guys have to get laid but they can get laid a lot less if necessary. At some price point when you factor in airline and hotel cost, it will be cheaper to get laid at home. But admittedly a lot less fun.

Back in the early 90's I used to go to Brazil a lot where the price for a girl in Help disco was about $30. Then they got their currency under control and the next time I went the price had gone up to between $80 and $100. I stopped going. I discovered the Dominican Republic where girls were $30. So as I found out did a lot of other guys who used to go to Brazil. People do find other options when they feel the price of getting laid has gotten too high.

I have no data other than what a few girls have told me but since the depreciation of the Yen a lot of Japanese are getting much more price sensitive and beginning to bargain. One Japanese friend has complained to me that it is getting expensive for him to go to gogos where he is also hit by large bar tabs. He is no longer coming every month like he did before.

With you DRRonin. No way I am paying that kind of money in Climax or anywhere. Yep, I have cut back for sure. I hit the oilies once a week these days. Used to hit the FL scene three or four times a week. Price was 1 k baht and that was 25 USD back then. Now 2500? Forget it. That was almost 3ST a few years back. Yep, the Japs are a bit more reluctant to spend these days.

Most of us moved over here to live well on a modest sum. And to have great gals for very little. Sad that both are disappearing. Funny how the "fun" factor decreases as the price increases. I don't know a any guys who think it is more fun now than it was 10-15 years ago. None.

[Goatscrot]

It must be tough for undesirable Canadian ladies these days, with buying sex becoming illegal on December 6 of this year. Canada followed a number of other Western nations that enacted similar laws not long ago. Which means cha ching for LOS.

Most folks cannot afford to go to LOS, but as a Canadian you can go to Cuba! There is also the DR, Mexico, Costa Rica, and South America.

[PinkPearl]

Dude, most of those are folks seeking a cheap beach holiday, not mongers. Have you seen all the fat Western women here these days?

It must be tough for undesirable Canadian ladies these days, with buying sex becoming illegal on December 6 of this year. Canada followed a number of other Western nations that enacted similar laws not long ago. Which means cha ching for LOS.

[PinkPearl]

Korea's P4 P was very open to foreigners before the olympics. It was the foreign scene they cracked down upon, not the local scene. If a widespread crackdown occurs here, I suspect it will be the same. Korea was a developing country at one point as well.

I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for LOS to have the Olympics, a widespread crackdown, make PFP illegal or become a first world nation. Unless you can hold it for at least a few decades.

Well before then I'll probably have advanced out of this world, so what happens in the business in the country will be of no concern to me. Even now my interest in returning is at an all time low, as IME personally the value in going there continues to diminish. Nothing to do with prices which in my area have not changed since 2007. Still, Siam remains a rock hard top of the world destination for single guys looking for the best bang for their buck. As solid as they come.

[Samui69]

He is French and he is a good friend of the French owner.

He is kind of a door ***** (but maybe more in a positive way).

If he think you are OK and will buy a drink inside he will say you are good to go. Most of the the time he will try to get you a drink before entering.

Probably because a lot of guys go inside and only look for some minutes and go away. It's a business thing I guess.

The guy is actually quite nice if you get to know him a little bit.

I do agree with you that observing people is more interesting than interacting with sometimes very boring girls.

Bangkok what a place! I agree to.

Have a good time!

He tried to get me to buy a beer once before so that I could go in. I wonder if he is some kind of man waitress who gets tips when people buy drinks. Saw him there the other day.

I sat outside on purpose to observe his actions while I had some beers. Seems as though he approves the guest going to the bouncer at the door. They both got some scam going.

On. Sometimes observing other people is more interesting than listen to the girls try to hustle you. Anyway. Bangkok what a place.

I have often found myself going to afterskool on Soi cowboy. Beers are not bad compared to other GoGo's and you can have alot of finger play with the girls.

[DRRonin]

The laws of economics dictate that at some point higher prices will affect demand, but of all the labor markets in the world, P4 P is the most ineleastic because it offers few substitutes and men NEED to get laid. Thus, "if the labor demand curve is very inelastic (steep), an increase in wages (prices) will have a very small negative effect on the quantity of labor employed (demand for girls) and will have a very large positive effect on total labour income. The elasticity of the labor demand curve depends on the size of the substitution and scale effects. ".

In other words, where you going to go? Prices for play are going up in every Asian and South American watering hole. Thailand is not unique in this. I believe the price increase is mainly due to increased demand and because the suppliers understand they can get away with it. The supply of girls is also a factor in Thailand for sure, but I don't think it is the dominant one. Prices are on the rise in AC, Philippines and Jakarta, Indonesia too for example. The question is: how high can prices go before it has a dramatic impact on demand? And the answer is I do not know. So far demand for girls in Thailand AND the Philippines has continued to increase despite the increases in prices and in the case of the PI the continued increase in supply of girls into the P4 P labor market. This is a clear sign of inelastic demand. Do you want to see the future? Take a look at Macau. Sauna prices are sky high. A session with a model category Chinese girl at Rio costs just under $300 US and yet there are still plenty of mostly Northern Asian customers. I firmly believe only a world wide depression will change the dynamics at play here and around the world. Price is going up everywhere. Save your money and pay up or marry a local beeitch in your home country and be unhappy.

This may be partly true but I don't know a guy who lives here who hasn't cut back on going to the gogos because the prices have and continue to rise. People have budgets for girls like everything else and if you have to decide between eating and paying the rent or decreasing the number of girls you have per month the choice is a pretty obvious one. Now for guys who fly half way around the world and have saved up for their vacation this may be more true but I also know a bunch of guys who refused to pay more than 1000 baht for FL's and have been priced out of the market and go to the Philippines or Cambodia now. For me the idea of paying 3000 baht for a FL at Climax is crazy but that is what a lot of the girls are asking. I won't pay it. Or pay 2500 for a gogo girl with the BF for as little time as they can get away with. I am slowly being priced out of the market. Guys have to get laid but they can get laid a lot less if necessary. At some price point when you factor in airline and hotel cost, it will be cheaper to get laid at home. But admittedly a lot less fun.

Back in the early 90's I used to go to Brazil a lot where the price for a girl in Help disco was about $30. Then they got their currency under control and the next time I went the price had gone up to between $80 and $100. I stopped going. I discovered the Dominican Republic where girls were $30. So as I found out did a lot of other guys who used to go to Brazil. People do find other options when they feel the price of getting laid has gotten too high.

I have no data other than what a few girls have told me but since the depreciation of the Yen a lot of Japanese are getting much more price sensitive and beginning to bargain. One Japanese friend has complained to me that it is getting expensive for him to go to gogos where he is also hit by large bar tabs. He is no longer coming every month like he did before.

[Syzygies]

Has anyone tried the Bangkok Gold escort service? They seem to have pretty girls in their lineup atleast on their gallery page. I am thinking of trying one. In case anyone has a better suggestion please let me know. I am looking for overnight option.

Cheers. MG.

There is an Escorts thread.

[Mumbai Guy]

Has anyone tried the Bangkok Gold escort service? They seem to have pretty girls in their lineup atleast on their gallery page. I am thinking of trying one. In case anyone has a better suggestion please let me know. I am looking for overnight option.

Cheers. MG.

[LittleBigMan]

Last year China cracked down on Chong Ping and Dongguan. Very little left there. Wonder why these nations have become so anti-woman?

I remember going to Shenzhen (Lo Wu?) from H. K. On the Train late 80's - 90's and when I got off there barely was a station. Going through Immigration it was scary the soldiers stared at us and when the guy saw my passport he threw it back at me. I stuck to my cousin from H. K. Who spoke the language like white on rice. The roads weren't even paved instead it was all dirt and mud. The buses were all run down no A/C there were cars on the road you could see were stolen from the States they still had California plates on them. We basically went there to find girls who register with Marriage agencies for foreigner. We pick them out of a book a few minutes later they showed up and we go out for dinner and had sex later it was cheap and easy. Today you get the same thing on the computer. Each year I went back the place got bigger and bigger so we move to the next town called something like Bogut? It was a small town that my cousin knew the Governor, Mayor, Chief of police, etc. They had one hotel only and we went to hair salons to pick up girls and told them to meet us for dinner with the Governor, Mayor etc. After we went drinking and back to the hotel. Once a girl came back to the hotel and said she couldn't stay she was all nervous and stuff I couldn't understand but found out later the Hotel was to be raided? But then when leaving she ran into the Chief of Police who we had dinner earlier and he told her nothing to worry about. First time, the Chief picked us up with a old Volks Fox. Year after year I visited his car got better and the last time it was a Benz. Year after year it got better those were the good old days not sure what it is like now?

[JokerInter]

I have wondered that as well. I have seen the fat dude every time I have visited, he sits near the entrance having beer and chatting up the waitresses and the security guy, never seen him inside Bacarra though. Perhaps he has got bored with time.

He tried to get me to buy a beer once before so that I could go in. I wonder if he is some kind of man waitress who gets tips when people buy drinks. Saw him there the other day.

I sat outside on purpose to observe his actions while I had some beers. Seems as though he approves the guest going to the bouncer at the door. They both got some scam going.

On. Sometimes observing other people is more interesting than listen to the girls try to hustle you. Anyway. Bangkok what a place.

I have often found myself going to afterskool on Soi cowboy. Beers are not bad compared to other GoGo's and you can have alot of finger play with the girls.

[Goatscrot]

Yea that was the good old days before the O Games! I took my last trip in May of 1986, because my cousin from H. K. Said it will never be the same. But I never miss Korea, I never really care for the women or men in particular and that is in general.

I had much better times in China before it open up and haven't been inside China since the O-Games but I heard in general too that after the O-games it is not the same?

Last year China cracked down on Chong Ping and Dongguan. Very little left there. Wonder why these nations have become so anti-woman?

[ActionOriented]

Anyone know who the fat guy is that sits just before the entrance.

I have wondered that as well. I have seen the fat dude every time I have visited, he sits near the entrance having beer and chatting up the waitresses and the security guy, never seen him inside Bacarra though. Perhaps he has got bored with time.