Bangkok Reports

[LookingLooking]

Anyone who have visited Bangkok (in the "before times") knows that BKK city traffic is / was notoriously bad. So bad, it impedes you ability to get around town.

How is traffic nowadays?

Bangkok sounds like it is opening up again; but it also seems like it is still not as congested as it was before. I might be tempted to visit before things get hectic again. (When I travel, I go for tourism first. I might hobby if I still have the energy.).

Thanks for the feedback.

Traffic is all right in Sukhumvit area. Just avoid rush hours between 6-8 pm for now.

[EihTooms]

Anyone who have visited Bangkok (in the "before times") knows that BKK city traffic is / was notoriously bad. So bad, it impedes you ability to get around town.

How is traffic nowadays?

Bangkok sounds like it is opening up again; but it also seems like it is still not as congested as it was before. I might be tempted to visit before things get hectic again. (When I travel, I go for tourism first. I might hobby if I still have the energy.).

Thanks for the feedback.

The lower Sukhumvit Road area traffic can be quite heavy and jammed during morning and evening rush hour times. Traveling along that road by car to and from the bars on Friday nights can be a pain. The same can often be said for the major streets that cross Sukhumvit like Asoke where Soi Cowboy is located, Wireless Road at Central Embassy mall and Ratchathewi where Central World mall is located.

But I don't think traffic is quite as bad as it was during pre Covid times.

[Qeast2]

Anyone who have visited Bangkok (in the "before times") knows that BKK city traffic is / was notoriously bad. So bad, it impedes you ability to get around town.

How is traffic nowadays?

Bangkok sounds like it is opening up again; but it also seems like it is still not as congested as it was before. I might be tempted to visit before things get hectic again. (When I travel, I go for tourism first. I might hobby if I still have the energy.).

Thanks for the feedback.

[IHeartIpa]

Best advice I got as a new tourist 10 years ago that still applies today if you're unsure she's working or not just leave 2000 near her bag in the morning, and don't say anything. Sometimes a girl will confirm its for her, some will just quietly take it. No one is complaining as a freelancer getting 2000 when no money was brought up beforehand. And of course none will just leave it there because 99% of the time if you're unsure that means they are in the game.

[Member #4753]

Agree. But on the off chance that some were not exactly freelancers but regular Thai girls hoping to find a husband or long term support boyfriend, slipping 300-500 baht into their hand as a token gift "for taxi" would also be evidence that the guy isn't just looking for a free fuck.

He did say some of his presumed non P4P first dates did not conclude with a fuck but did on a second date.

I don't think I would recommend slipping 2000-4000 baht into the purse or hand of a girl who just had dinner and a movie with me but refused or resisted having sex on that first date. I would assume those girls are not exactly freelancers.

You are probably right in that 2 to 4 k may be a bit much. It all depends on the type of girl is he generally finds he is with. My type would definitely want 3 k to 4 k long term, but I prefer quality over quantity.

Girls that did not put out on first date may lean towards more non P4 P group and would probably be ok for very little.

Girls that put out fairly easily on the first date and are younger and prettier are most likely freelances and expect a decent amount.

I would suggest that he asks the next 2 or 3 directly what they expect before he has sex with them. Then use that as a basis for moving forward. Once he works out a rate that his targeted group is happy with he would not need to mention rates going forward. Just slip that amount into the purse in the morning. The amount of call backs you get will go from 0 to 90%.

[EihTooms]

I think the post generalizes it. It probably is only for the same type of phones. Some apps are easy, some are difficult or not possible if you switch between Android and iPhone.

Yes, I would still take screenshots of important photos and conversation pages and send them to a photo storage app before I delete my Line account from a phone to transfer it to another phone, just to be sure. Imo, Line is not all that reliable about certain things. I know Thai girls who are whizzes at everything you can do on Line that still cry over lost photos and such whenever they get a new phone. Which some do every 6 months it seems.

[Nounce]

Hey,

Thanks. I don't recall seeing that Chats-Back Up and Restore option in Line Settings the last time I changed phones and transferred my Line account. But that has been a few years.

I think the post generalizes it. It probably is only for the same type of phones. Some apps are easy, some are difficult or not possible if you switch between Android and iPhone.

[IHeartIpa]

This is a question about non-pay-for-play Thai girls in BKK. I like to source a nice girl from TF and take her on a date which almost always leads to sex. I like Thai girls because they are pretty enthusiastic to fuck by the second or even the first date. On several occasions after a first date fuck, the girl leaves happy and I message her the morning to check in, and seek to set up another date. This is when she turns cold as ice. The cheerful attitude is replaced with a cold tone, complaining and few details about what the problem might be! To be clear, this is not due to some ungentlemanly behaviour on my part!

Has anyone encountered this, and if so, what explains the chance of heart? Usually Thai girls are keep to discuss a long term relationship and, of course, "my rent is due", but sometimes, I get the cold shoulder the next day.

Thaifriendly has become 95%+ working girls. They may be nice girls but they are working. While yes she should be upfront about it, you also should know better.

[EihTooms]

My guess is that the girls you are going on a date with are freelance girls and although no money was mentioned they expected something to be given to them when they left.

If you had slipped 2000 (average to older girls) to 3000/4000 (younger prettier girls) in their purse when they were leaving I am sure you will get a positively cheerful response and they will be willing to come back anytime.

Agree. But on the off chance that some were not exactly freelancers but regular Thai girls hoping to find a husband or long term support boyfriend, slipping 300-500 baht into their hand as a token gift "for taxi" would also be evidence that the guy isn't just looking for a free fuck.

He did say some of his presumed non P4P first dates did not conclude with a fuck but did on a second date.

I don't think I would recommend slipping 2000-4000 baht into the purse or hand of a girl who just had dinner and a movie with me but refused or resisted having sex on that first date. I would assume those girls are not exactly freelancers.

[Member #4753]

This is a question about non-pay-for-play Thai girls in BKK. I like to source a nice girl from TF and take her on a date which almost always leads to sex. I like Thai girls because they are pretty enthusiastic to fuck by the second or even the first date. On several occasions after a first date fuck, the girl leaves happy and I message her the morning to check in, and seek to set up another date. This is when she turns cold as ice. The cheerful attitude is replaced with a cold tone, complaining and few details about what the problem might be! To be clear, this is not due to some ungentlemanly behaviour on my part!

Has anyone encountered this, and if so, what explains the chance of heart? Usually Thai girls are keep to discuss a long term relationship and, of course, "my rent is due", but sometimes, I get the cold shoulder the next day.

My guess is that the girls you are going on a date with are freelance girls and although no money was mentioned they expected something to be given to them when they left.

If you had slipped 2000 (average to older girls) to 3000/4000 (younger prettier girls) in their purse when they were leaving I am sure you will get a positively cheerful response and they will be willing to come back anytime.

[EihTooms]

This is a question about non-pay-for-play Thai girls in BKK. I like to source a nice girl from TF and take her on a date which almost always leads to sex. I like Thai girls because they are pretty enthusiastic to fuck by the second or even the first date. On several occasions after a first date fuck, the girl leaves happy and I message her the morning to check in, and seek to set up another date. This is when she turns cold as ice. The cheerful attitude is replaced with a cold tone, complaining and few details about what the problem might be! To be clear, this is not due to some ungentlemanly behaviour on my part!

Has anyone encountered this, and if so, what explains the chance of heart? Usually Thai girls are keep to discuss a long term relationship and, of course, "my rent is due", but sometimes, I get the cold shoulder the next day.

I will have to go there and ask if you casually offered your P4P date any money at all at the end of that first date and fuck; for travel, taxi fare, to buy her lunch at work the next day, anything?

The fact that she didn't indicate upfront that she expected some kind of money gift for the time and effort she made to meet you or didn't expect something slipped into her hand at your goodbye or didn't raise the issue of it the next day might only mean she was too shy to broach the subject or too worried about losing face if your reaction to the idea of giving her money for her time, effort and fuck (or not, on the first date) was negative.

I suppose some of what I'm talking about depends on how wide the disparity is between your ages and financial conditions. If you are both in your early 20's, or both much older than that but she has a great job, a car, her own very nice condo and so on, you offering her money for the date and fuck might not be much of a consideration. Yet.

But if you are 50, she is 25, you're staying in a luxury hotel or condo, she works at a coffee shop and shares a single 4500 baht apartment with two other girls, well, you can do the math on that one. She likely felt very much that your not offering and insisting on some money for her time, effort and especially a fuck to be with you was in Thai terms "ungentlemanly" behavior.

This is not like we're meeting peers working at an office back home and both of us going out for some food, drink and a casual fuck, no strings, no harm, no foul, see you next time. Thai girls don't see it that way.

[TKOman]

This is a question about non-pay-for-play Thai girls in BKK. I like to source a nice girl from TF and take her on a date which almost always leads to sex. I like Thai girls because they are pretty enthusiastic to fuck by the second or even the first date. On several occasions after a first date fuck, the girl leaves happy and I message her the morning to check in, and seek to set up another date. This is when she turns cold as ice. The cheerful attitude is replaced with a cold tone, complaining and few details about what the problem might be! To be clear, this is not due to some ungentlemanly behaviour on my part!

Has anyone encountered this, and if so, what explains the chance of heart? Usually Thai girls are keep to discuss a long term relationship and, of course, "my rent is due", but sometimes, I get the cold shoulder the next day.

[FunMan13]

Thanks Seeko. I'm going to do it tonight.

Funman13.

[EihTooms]

Nowadays, most chat apps have online / cloud backup functionality, along with email registration / linking.

The first process allows restoration and / or transfer of chat history between mobile devices.

The second procedure ensures that you will still have access to your chat account, if and when you lose your phone, or the SIM card expires.

To answer your question: first of all, update your LINE app to latest version. Then, register your email, preferably Gmail (under Settings-Account). Next, back up your chat history (under Settings-Chats-Back Up and Restore). Install LINE on new mobile. Login to new LINE with linked email. Confirm migration, which will disable LINE on previous phone.

This process is almost same for WA & WC. For proof of concept, my LINE history goes back to 2014, WeChat to 2015, and WhatsApp to 2016, and I've upgraded smartphone every 2 years since..

Hey,

Thanks. I don't recall seeing that Chats-Back Up and Restore option in Line Settings the last time I changed phones and transferred my Line account. But that has been a few years.

[Seeko]

Ha, I bet I met you back then: the good old days of Stickman and the old Sanuk forum, the beer bars down by the tracks, the Russian girls at the Grace, 40 baht to the dollar, ah memories, memories. Back then, you could even eat at Yong Lee (is it still there?

Maybe. I'm not so sure, as my memory has been failing as years wear on. Sigh.

Yes, Yong Lee is still open. The old thin frail guy finally passed on. A decent place for quality roast duck and curry frog legs.

I do remember the shacks under the expressway, infamous Clinton Plaza (Sofitel now), Soi 10 beer bars (replaced by Chuvit Garden, an oasis amongst this concrete jungle, soon to be another high-rise tower), Siam Hotel Coffee Shop on Petchaburi, and Makkasan streetwalkers on back side.

Too bad that CM2 & Nana Disco changed format, and Climax had shutdown. ND was an easy hunting ground for independent FLs before Nana Plaza closes, and then, for desperate gogo dancers hoping to catch a punter before calling the night or rather morning. Nowadays, they just stream out quick and onto taxi / bus without a glance at any potential monger on the sidewalk.

We really do need an after-hour playground with FLs and for BGs. (I've been pushing the head honcho at Thermae to open later, but he doesn't seem to have any pull left at Lumphini.).

Seeko.