Bangkok Reports

[Tomasb]

Generally full sex is available but does depend on the girl. I remember this one little hottie with short blond hair from a few years ago who enticed me to come inside for services. However, she specified beforehand that full sex was not on the menu. Whether that was due to the wrong time of month or she had a BF, I am not sure because I am "handsum man".

One other thing is I only recall uncomfortable and small Faux leather chairs and tiny couches with a curtain pulled over to cover the action. Not exactly all that comfortable for FS unless they have private rooms, which I did not see.

Over the years, I have visited Lolitas and Kasalong quite often, usually late at night. Sex was always available. I cannot come from a blowjob, so I always start with a BJ, followed by sex with the same girl.

[Lefeu]

...Both of these were not brothels, they were blowjob parlours, sex whilst available I was told, was rarely offered...

Over the years, I have visited Lolitas and Kasalong quite often, usually late at night. Sex was always available. I cannot come from a blowjob, so I always start with a BJ, followed by sex with the same girl.

[Pute Nut]

- Is the reason there is no evidence of PrEP offering any protection for exclusive "tops" such as me because there is already scant evidence of exclusive "tops" being infected with HIV sexually in the first place?

Perhaps yes. But absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. With many fornication events in HIV-dense areas the risk will of course add up.

There is no need to do daily PrEP, as it can be done as "Holiday Prep" (7 days before an event-packed period, daily during, plus 7 days post).

[EihTooms]

Maybe you should use common sense. Or read this: https://www.healthline.com/health/he...-prep-hiv-aids.

I prefer a combination of common sense informed by overwhelming empirical evidence surrounding you, me and everyone else for 40+ years and the research study conclusions available in all that time.

From your link:

Should I try PrEP?

It depends. PrEP is recommended for people who have known risk factors for HIV infection. Some known risk factors include:

- having an HIV-positive partner.

- being a person with a penis who has anal sex without a condom.

-using injectable drugs.

The CDCTrusted Source also recommends taking PrEP if you're heterosexual and you don't regularly use condoms during sex with people whose HIV status is unknown.

I can see why CDCTrusted Source among others would rather err on the side of caution and recommend PrEP for what effectively amounts to every barebacker on the planet who has not spent the previous month or so monitoring the comings and goings of their next sexual partner between a first HIV test and a second follow up test just so they will actually know their HIV status.

But since I have never used injectable drugs and the only specific sexual act cited in your link and in so many others I have researched over the decades does not apply to me and never has, I feel comfortable in concluding that I am using the same informed common sense and research the many Thai Red Cross HIV test counselors I've sat across the table from for the past 9+ years have used for never once suggesting I ought to start a daily PrEP regime.

[Redwing]

Does anyone know if the BJ bars such as Kasalong & Lolita's have reopened? I'm guessing that Wood bar is open as their website seems to be up & running, but I can't find much info on the rest.

[ThaiGoodTimes]

If you're thinking of the old time, you go to a rocking party bar and the chick blows you while you have a beer shooting the shit with your boys and everyone is laughing and partying, then no. There technically was like 1 or 2 "bars" on Soi Cowboy pre-covid where you could get a BJ / HJ in public from the girls there, but they are kinda weird and depressing little tiny places, and not like "real" bars, but they were little bar-like places that you could sit at the bar or table and have drink with just like another 1-2 guys there with a handful of thai girls around that will jerk you off in public for a a bit of baht.

When we're talking "BJ bars", they are just brothels, where the standard service is BJ not sex (you can get sex if you want for extra). Usually they have somewhat private small room or areas where you get it done in, but its a brothel. Wood bar (formerly Dr. BJs) on Soi 7/1 is a favorite and often had better looking girls and there are several other BJ bars around. Often the girls are, to say it lightly, at most BJ bars, not attractive. The BJs are nothing special that you can't get from any sex worker, they ain't magic BJ specialists in any possible way

You are quite the sour old man in your answer.

And in my opinion totally wrong as well in many ways.

Firstly, the best blowjob girls IMHO, of the ones I sampled frequently, where at Lolitas and Kasalong.

Both of these were not brothels, they were blowjob parlours, sex whilst available I was told, was rarely offered.

The girls there were often quite good looking and theri blowjob skills were right up there with the best.

The other area I differ in opinion on were the blowjob bars on Soi Cowbow.

No one can rightly call AfterSkool or Jungle Jims the two main places offending that service as depressing small places.

They were as lively as the many others of their soze along that strip, and the blowjobs given were legendary.

Either quietly secluded at the back of the bar whilst you watched other goings on, or out in the open if you were happy to do so.

I had also had similar open view blowjob services at times in Five Star on Soi Cowboy.

If anything I found Wood to be the most disappointing of all the blowjob bar styles, far too clinical and disinterested.

In fact, it was worse than the hot tocs in Saigon!

[MomoFarang]

Perhaps I found the answer to my question here:

https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/basics/prep/...ctiveness.html

Apparently, there is no evidence that taking PrEP does anything to prevent HIV transmission to "tops", people who only engage in insertive vaginal or anal sex and not receptive vaginal or anal sex. I would land exclusively in the former group minus the anal sex part and adding the presumably non issue oral sex activities.

Again, unless these reports and surveys really get into the pertinent details, we are left without answers to potentially critical questions such as:

- Were the married couple and the 26 cited new cases of heterosexual male HIV infection said to be acquired from engaging in sex with prostitutes in South East Asia all, mostly or at all about the people also engaging in some form of receptive anal sexual activity, particularly as regards to the husband and wife or just vaginal sex for the wife and no anal sex activity for her or the husband?

- Is PrEP increasingly being prescribed to men who are suggesting some receptive anal sexual activity like rimming or (unsanitary) strap-ONS even though they are heterosexual and do not engage in receptive penis-anal sex?.

Maybe you should use common sense. Or read this: https://www.healthline.com/health/he...-prep-hiv-aids.

[GrapeMan]

I am new Thailand and just heard about the BJ bar but I have never been to one. I am very curious about them and I have several questions for the veterans here. First one is, how good are the BJ compared to a average Batgirl / free lancer? Does the bar look like a normal bar? Do you have to go to a private room or will they service you in the main room?

Thank you for answering my questions.

If you're thinking of the old time, you go to a rocking party bar and the chick blows you while you have a beer shooting the shit with your boys and everyone is laughing and partying, then no. There technically was like 1 or 2 "bars" on Soi Cowboy pre-covid where you could get a BJ / HJ in public from the girls there, but they are kinda weird and depressing little tiny places, and not like "real" bars, but they were little bar-like places that you could sit at the bar or table and have drink with just like another 1-2 guys there with a handful of thai girls around that will jerk you off in public for a a bit of baht.

When we're talking "BJ bars", they are just brothels, where the standard service is BJ not sex (you can get sex if you want for extra). Usually they have somewhat private small room or areas where you get it done in, but its a brothel. Wood bar (formerly Dr. BJs) on Soi 7/1 is a favorite and often had better looking girls and there are several other BJ bars around. Often the girls are, to say it lightly, at most BJ bars, not attractive. The BJs are nothing special that you can't get from any sex worker, they ain't magic BJ specialists in any possible way

[PrimusThai]

I am new Thailand and just heard about the BJ bar but I have never been to one. I am very curious about them and I have several questions for the veterans here. First one is, how good are the BJ compared to a average Batgirl / free lancer? Does the bar look like a normal bar? Do you have to go to a private room or will they service you in the main room?

Thank you for answering my questions.

[IHeartIpa]

This one, and you could find more articles of the sort.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-...n-gay/11752598

And that one.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23512512/#text=Overall%20 HIV%20 prevalence%20 was%2020.2,%2 Dbased%20 FSW%20 (2. 5%25).

No one is saying that people a dying in droves, but the risk is real. I BB with PREP and I wouldn't touch any of the girls in front of Nana, while I could be tempted by so of the Thermea gals. So far it got me out of trouble. And for what its worth I got most of my BB from Soi 26 shops, some Online hookers and some Nana Gogos where there was a BB culture.

I've always found it interesting how many punters think thermae girls are higher quality + cleaner when they are getting fucked as often or more often than any streetwalker. Just because a girl charges more does not = less likely to have anything. Both have fucked many hundreds if not thousands of guys.

[GuyBrusg1957]

Is the content on thaimassagemodel.com actually still up to date?

[EihTooms]

On your first link, it certainly makes a case for taking PrEP. So I wonder why my taking it has never once been recommended by any of the counselors who hand me my negative HIV test result document at Thai Red Cross every month or two for the past 9 years despite my telling them during the brief interview that I have multiple female partners and never wear a condom?

You would think I am a likely candidate for it and I believe it can be purchased there. But in all these years, no mention of it being something I ought to so much as consider taking.

Perhaps I found the answer to my question here:

https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/basics/prep/...ctiveness.html

Apparently, there is no evidence that taking PrEP does anything to prevent HIV transmission to "tops", people who only engage in insertive vaginal or anal sex and not receptive vaginal or anal sex. I would land exclusively in the former group minus the anal sex part and adding the presumably non issue oral sex activities.

Again, unless these reports and surveys really get into the pertinent details, we are left without answers to potentially critical questions such as:

- Were the married couple and the 26 cited new cases of heterosexual male HIV infection said to be acquired from engaging in sex with prostitutes in South East Asia all, mostly or at all about the people also engaging in some form of receptive anal sexual activity, particularly as regards to the husband and wife or just vaginal sex for the wife and no anal sex activity for her or the husband?

- Is PrEP increasingly being prescribed to men who are suggesting some receptive anal sexual activity like rimming or (unsanitary) strap-ONS even though they are heterosexual and do not engage in receptive penis-anal sex?

- Is the reason there is no evidence of PrEP offering any protection for exclusive "tops" such as me because there is already scant evidence of exclusive "tops" being infected with HIV sexually in the first place?

Among others.

[EihTooms]

This one, and you could find more articles of the sort.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-...n-gay/11752598

And that one.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23512512/#text=Overall%20 HIV%20 prevalence%20 was%2020.2,%2 Dbased%20 FSW%20 (2. 5%25).

No one is saying that people a dying in droves, but the risk is real. I BB with PREP and I wouldn't touch any of the girls in front of Nana, while I could be tempted by so of the Thermea gals. So far it got me out of trouble. And for what its worth I got most of my BB from Soi 26 shops, some Online hookers and some Nana Gogos where there was a BB culture.

Yes, your second link is for that 2007 Respondent-Driven Survey I was thinking about. Going deeper into the Full Text and methodology, I do wish they had filtered for non needle drug using prostitutes, anal vs vaginal / oral sex practices, etc. Although they do admit to the natural limitations of such a survey where "seed" respondents already seeking treatment are sent out to recruit others, a saliva test vs a blood test and so on.

Also, not to quibble too much on this point, but in Thailand post-op transgenders insist they are "female" and apparently many in their circle go along with it. Should I trust the people conducting that 2007 survey to have filtered out resondents on that basis despite there being no mention (unless I missed it) of them doing so? Again, that is where the type of sexual services most commonly offered, anal vs vaginal / oral, would be most pertinent yet goes unmentioned.

I wonder, has there been no similar survey taken with as alarming a "25% infection rate" result worth publishing since 2007? That one is the only one I ever see referenced. I would think that result would trigger an interest in conducting one every year since. But apparently not.

On your first link, it certainly makes a case for taking PrEP. So I wonder why my taking it has never once been recommended by any of the counselors who hand me my negative HIV test result document at Thai Red Cross every month or two for the past 9 years despite my telling them during the brief interview that I have multiple female partners and never wear a condom?

You would think I am a likely candidate for it and I believe it can be purchased there. But in all these years, no mention of it being something I ought to so much as consider taking.

[IHeartIpa]

Hope you are aware that the HIV prevalence amongst Bangkok streetwalker is about 25%. I add especially so for girls charging CIP 1000 Bahts. Venue based girls are much safer, my guts feeling would be that some of the TF girls could be too.

FYI there are streetwalkers cheaper than that in BKK, aimed at Thai customers. I'd assume riddled with disease since Thai guys don't like wrapping it up. Also got a bunch of ladyboys walking lower suck as well.

[MomoFarang]

Do you have a link to your source for that 25% figure?

There was a "survey" of sorts several years ago where they did not seem to differentiate between female and male / ladyboy street workers and it was far from a random sampling in that hookers who went to a clinic for HIV treatment were paid to go out and find more "respondents" for the survey from among their circle with promises of free treatment for them.

I would be quite surprised if 1 out of 4 female FLs we see on the street in the lower Sukhumvit area tested positive for HIV now or, frankly, ever.

And even if they did, transmission from a female streetwalker to a male customer must be somewhere between none and zero.

Seriously. There has been plenty of bareback going on all over the place every day and night for the past 40+ years but has anyone even met a punter or seen one interviewed who got HIV from a girl he had sex with without a hint of suggestion that the dude was also a wee bit into needle-related drug use and sometimes shared and just might have forgotten about those bb receptive anal sex parties he used to have with a LB or two or that irresistible male temp he met at the office a while back?.

This one, and you could find more articles of the sort.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-...n-gay/11752598

And that one.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23512512/#text=Overall%20 HIV%20 prevalence%20 was%2020.2,%2 Dbased%20 FSW%20 (2. 5%25).

No one is saying that people a dying in droves, but the risk is real. I BB with PREP and I wouldn't touch any of the girls in front of Nana, while I could be tempted by so of the Thermea gals. So far it got me out of trouble. And for what its worth I got most of my BB from Soi 26 shops, some Online hookers and some Nana Gogos where there was a BB culture.