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05-11-14 15:44 #27453
Posts: 670Thailand P4P issues hardly unique
Thailand's P4P decline is consistent with reports from other southeast asia locales for the most part, including Vietnam, Cambodia. Phillipines, and Burma among other areas.
On a worldwide basis obviously Kiev is in a war situation, so that's out but beyond that while individual reports can be positive, the P4P reports worldwide generally seem to be reporting (in macro P4P terms) markets in decline, the only exception I've noticed recently is "Cuba Dave" who has had some positive reports on San Jose, Costal Rica which he sees as improving, and note he basically recently had to abandon his core area Sosua (DR) beause the cruise industry (soon to be coming into nearby Puerto Plata) was to a large extent attempting to harass and limit the P4P industry in that venue
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05-11-14 15:27 #27452
Posts: 670Originally Posted by Goatscrot [View Original Post]
Thermae represents only 1/1000th of the Bangkok P4P market and while its dominated by Japanese, its possible a farang monger with a small dick and big wallet could probably compete with a lot of the Japanese mongers in there so long as he was discreet about meeting up with her, in case there is a need to save face among her friends. And that's only in regard to certain super cuties, sometimes numbering less than 10 or so in there at a time, if even that. Other fairly hot girls are going with Farang in there on a fairly regular basis. Yes, most get shot down if they pick the wrong girls, but the persistent guys (all ages in fact) dig up girls mostly toward the right side or ones hanging in the middle.
In other venues the Japs and Farangs are in direct competition, with Rainbow 4 and similar clubs just the tip of the iceberg. So the markets are not separate at all but intertwined, and Japanese mongers obviously influencing what Farangs end up paying.
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05-11-14 15:23 #27451
Posts: 3682Originally Posted by Western787 [View Original Post]
Even if the political unrest leads to a bit of a crash, it will not reverse this trend. The Golden Age is over.
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05-11-14 14:30 #27450
Posts: 670Thailand has exited Third World status
Thailand is not currently among those countries generally deemed "third world" and this is because birth rates are now low, vaccinations are given, low unemployment, not dependent per se on other states, and poverty to the degree it exists is generally not of the grinding and hopeless variety (with some variation by geographic region) and in fact the food supply is being generated internally and is plentiful, with a strong export market, including food and other goods.
20 years ago? Yes, third world, in 2014? No, and even the (declining) provider market itself reflects that as other options now abound for young women.
Anyone the doesn't notice the connection being increasing affluence and the declining P4P sector, has their eyes shut
Among the sources to confirm this http://www.nationsonline.org/oneworld/third_world.htm
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05-11-14 14:01 #27449
Posts: 670Originally Posted by TellAll [View Original Post]
Quoting GBaron "on stage was #66, Kip. Who was exactly what I wanted. Mamasan asked me what I wanted, I said a beer and pointed at Kip. She also wanted me to buy her (Mamasan) a drink. I declined that. She asked if I wanted a room, and I asked if I could take her back to the JW. OK. I asked about long time, and she said the girl doesn't do long times. Still, it was getting late (probably 12:45) and I knew I was only going to get one pop. And even that wasn't a guarantee based on my earlier undisciplined actions. Kip came over, I asked her if she would go to the JW. She said. 600 for bar fine and 2000 for her for short time. Reiterating that she didn't do long times. She said if it takes more than 1 hour, I could give extra, depending on how."
There is an overpay issue here, but I commend the OP for describing the transaction as it occurred, as he easily could have glossed over the issue to avoid the wrath of the Overpay Police in here. Plus the girl apparently didn't normally do Farangs, so perhaps he cleared the way for others.
The girl probably has a boyfriend whom she is in love with (which she pretends is her "Mom") and that could be part of the kissing issue. However at those prices, particularly the 2nd time when the girl knows the pay scale, I would think she might add some kissing because it does make things much more natural. With sex w / o kissing you really can't get into the fantasy IMHO because you are being reminded every second that its 100% P4P. However, some girls just don't kiss, and the OP believes he got his money's worth.
Providers who can work the FS business while simultaneously being in love with a real life boyfriend is something not very common in the west, so IMHO we should deem it a plus these girls are still in the business.
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05-11-14 13:36 #27448
Posts: 670Beauties being skimmed off the P4P market
In regard to the always present and ongoing issue of great beauties being skimmed off the market for private harems by procurers or spotters barely days or weeks after starting in G Clubs, massage parlors, bars, agencies, or wherever, (though the extreme case to the larger trend) this guy and his brother might be among the clients. Personally its possible some girls are being skimmed off BEFORE their first day working P4P (or G club equivalent) and before any normal monger even lays eyes on them, and generous commissions are going to the finders. Perhaps the spotters test them out personally first.
As an eyewitness states "Most of the girls" are "Filipino or Thai"
Of course there is no way to know precisely the quality of girls these guys are skimming off, but the mere fact an ex Miss USA was part of the harem tells us these guys are likely dealing at the top end of the market
http://nypost.com/2014/05/10/inside-...rld-of-brunei/
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05-11-14 11:59 #27447
Posts: 173Originally Posted by Wolvenvacht [View Original Post]
To use the elevator you need a key card. I wonder how they got in. They could have used the stairs but it is not obvious where the stairs are. Also, did you tell them at which room you stayed?
Thanks
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05-11-14 10:41 #27446
Posts: 3682Originally Posted by Paul Kausch [View Original Post]
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05-11-14 10:39 #27445
Posts: 3682Originally Posted by Phordphan [View Original Post]
When I came to BKK P4P prices were half of what they were in any Mexican border town and the service was great. Now it is more and the service is quite lacking for the most part. 3 to 4 k an hour for an uneducated gal that has finished 6th grade who can rent her wet spot is nuts. We are not talking about a high class call girl with a bag of tricks that can make your toes curl. We are talking about the equivalent of a West Virginia hillbilly who just happens to be thin and have all her teeth. Now as you said, that was fine as long as it was fun and the price was right. One's expectations were not that high. But at US 150, hey I expect a lot more. For that money I would expect a highly developed skill set, the ability to seduce (which is really lacking here) , etc. Example, gal goes into the shower, comes out in a very sexy neglige and crawls across the room to me. 150 for a clock watching wham bam? Hell, I will stay home and whittle my own puppet.
At least for awhile we still have the oilies where service is still pretty good. Of course that is changing as well with some places being CBJ only.
We had a great thing here for a long time. BKK was a monger's paradise from the Vietnam War till a few years ago. A really good run. I am really grateful that I caught the tail end of the Golden Age here and in Cambo. It was more fun than you can imagine. Today pales in comparison on so many levels.
BTW. 60k baht a month is beyond reasonable income in Thailand. I know quite a few Thais who hold advanced degrees and have 10 years exp who make that.
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05-11-14 08:56 #27444
Posts: 2502Originally Posted by Lalake [View Original Post]
And now we even have a "Fourth World", being the poor in the Old and New World.
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05-11-14 08:49 #27443
Posts: 2502Originally Posted by Tits_Lover [View Original Post]
Originally Posted by Tits_Lover [View Original Post]
I would have a word with management about this. It is one thing to allow a guest to bring unregistered guests, but a whole other thing to have staff actively allow unaccompanied ladies go up to your room and even bypass the use of a room key to operate the elevator.
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05-11-14 08:03 #27442
Posts: 106Originally Posted by Goatscrot [View Original Post]
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05-11-14 06:37 #27441
Posts: 6079Originally Posted by Goatscrot [View Original Post]
The fact there is a Market for up scale prices doesn't mean a girl from nana car Park has to get the same as the circumstances are totally different. Otherwise an Ibis (offering, bed, shower, a bar downstairs, free Internet) should be entitled to ask for the same price as JW Marriott (offering bed, Schwaier, bar downstairs, paid internet).
The coma prison with back home should be an incentive "to spend less" as the rate is cheaper.
Apart the holiday atmosphere, why should I pay a girl in BKK (where we do know prices are different) same as back home.
It is not same as back home because you need to add the air ticket and the hotel.
Of course I do not calculate this in what I spend for mongering, but I am expecting to pay much less, ie a decent price for the locals.
I do not want to keep this people or area of the work under the stick so they cannot aspire to more income. But I am pretty sure that in a country where an average salary for office people is between 10 and 15k baht, a girl earning 30k (1 ST per day at 1/1. 5k each) is fair for all parities.
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05-11-14 06:35 #27440
Posts: 1617Sex toys
Last time I was in town I brought a nice toy with me. Unfortunately Cheer over at Bamboo was more than it could handle. It succumbed to cardiac arrest. A battery transplant could not revive it. This forced me to look for a replacement toy. To my dismay all I could find were a few cheap vibrators and dildos in a couple of the sidewalk stalls.
This prompts a few questions.
1. Did I miss something? Is there a sex toy super store anywhere in the mongering district, or elsewhere in Bangkok?
2. If there isn't, does anyone have any thoughts on why there is this glaring retail gap in the sex capital of the world?
Any thoughts or speculations, intelligent or otherwise, would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
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05-11-14 05:12 #27439
Posts: 3192Originally Posted by Goatscrot [View Original Post]
People have a tendency to try to fine one "culprit" as the cause of a problem. The Japs are too free-spending. Idiots pay too much. Yes, those are all issues. But I wonder if other things are at play here.
First, the laws of supply and demand are immutable. I think the supply of pretty, and willing, damsels is far smaller than it used to be. The Thai birth rate is proof of that. (It's a damned shame that the best looking ladies at NEP these days aren't!) I think the supply of "sex tourists" is still pretty high, as Thailand is still famous as a P4P destination. So, prices are bound to rise even as overall quality falls.
Next, the "new generation" of guys coming to LOS are so unbelievably pussy-whipped by feminism that it's scary. They will put up with an unbelievable amount of shit from a woman. Generally speaking, if the guy is weak the girl will walk all over him. Ten years ago, can you imagine watching some guy and bar girl scamper out of the bar, off to the ST hotel, and then she's back, $100 richer, in 30 minutes? Nobody would've put up with that. Now, if some guy won't put up with a bar girl's shit, there are 10 more behind him who will, who won't complain, and who will pay through nose for the privilege."Gee, it's a lot cheaper than back home."
Then, of course, you have the 2-week millionaires who will pay any price because it's their vacation. Not much you can do about that, but I wonder if they are the main problem. It may not be an issue (yet) in Farang Gulch, but the Chinese are running around with money falling out of their asses. If anybody's pushing up prices (at least outside of BKK) it's got to be them.
It seems to me that this witch's brew has yielded the results we see in BKK today. One poster is irritated that his $150 / hr date won't kiss. Another poor bastard had a nice time at $100 / hr. Dayum! These at or above Tijuana prices! There a pretty lady will come to your hotel for between $60 and $100 for a minimum of an hour. Even the girls in the gringo-centric go-go bars can easily be had for $80 to $100 for an hour, and no bar fine. The entire scene isn't an apples-to-apples comparison, but obviously BKK is no longer the bargain it once was.
So, I guess the days of sanuk for sanuk's sake are over? Gone are the days when ST was 2 or 3 hours, LT was actually preferred by many girls, and GFE was GFE in every sense of the word. Now it seems these ladies have been replaced by clock-watching mercenaries. In a place where 60, 000 baht per month is a reasonably decent income. 3,000. 4,000 per HOUR is idiotic, IMHO. The scene has changed. The ship has sailed and it's not coming back. So, we adapt. I think the anachronistic go-go concept is dying. I'm unconvinced that a multi-tiered pricing approach will work, but I don't care. I, and others, have moved on to more "traditional" entertainment, like oilies, soapies, free-lancers, etc.