Bangkok Reports

[Blanquiceleste]

Honestly, I doubt working girls available to Thai punters are significantly better, at least not in the under 3 k for ST bracket. It's simply crappier for all of us.

In reality they may not be, but that is how psychology works. Men always covet something they don't have or cannot get.

[Syzygies]

I know some punters will ignore girls who do not fit their spec even to the point of seeming somewhat rude to them or, at the very least, seem themselves to be aloof and disinterested. If I have read your posts correctly, I believe that is often your approach as well. I understand that since I will often behave that way myself in many cases. Particularly in most P4P scenarios where paying the least bit of attention to unacceptable girls only encourages them to come over to you, pester you for Lady Drinks, to sit in your lap and so on.

But that is never going to be the case in Thermae. IMO, that kind of approach many of us employ in go-go bars or walking down the street is the opposite of what can work for us in Thermae. There is virtually zero risk of being hit on and pestered by unacceptable girls in there even if you walk through the crowd and circle the room with a big, welcoming smile and "sawatdee khrup" aimed at any and every girl in your normal line of sight until you settle into a spot to be a bit more specific about it.

I employ the latter approach in Thermae and it never means I am going to choose from among the ugliest girls my eyes and smile happened to land on during the course of the cruise. And they are never going to walk 5 steps out of line to grab my pecker and hit me up for a Lady Drink (there are none in Thermae. lol). However, I am guessing that by doing that a much higher percentage of decent to above average, pretty, often even very pretty girls are responding positively to me along the way than if I scowled on the stroll until I narrowed my gaze on just the 3-5 girls who might qualify as among the top 5% of lookers according to my spec. True, it also doesn't mean that a girl I approach from among those responsive prettier girls is going to say "Yes" to my BBBJ+CIM or BBFS-CIP expectations. But if I were happy to pay their going rate and get neither, which I am not, I think I could walk out of Thermae any night of the week with one of the top, oh let's say 10% lookers in the place. Almost certainly from among the top 20%.

As you alluded to, that is the only "survey" method we can use for this issue in Thermae. So that is the survey method I use. I see plenty of farangs walking in and around Thermae with a dour, deadpan expression or scowl on their face and they get near zero indication of interest from just about every girl in the room. Then they walk over to one of the top 5% lookers, get shut down and leave. I assume they will now tell anyone who asks that Thermae girls "only like Asians." Not saying that is your situation, Syzygies. And I understand that if the only girls in Thermae that look "decent" or better to a farang are among the top 5% lookers, then he could easily conclude there are no girls worth meeting in there since most of the decent ones are only interested in Asian customers. Because, in all probability, the top 5% lookers ARE only interested in Asian customers.

Ha ha. You are probably spot on. I can be very deadpan and aloof, if I am not spotting any girl that interests me. Years of bar training to absolutely ignore girls of no interest, to avoid being pestered. I am not like some guys that can sleaze up to girls even if he has no intention of buying whatsoever. I don't like to waste the girl's time, unless sure she has nothing better to do with her time. I don't like to occupy girls' time without intentions, since could cause them to miss a real customer prospect.

I always believed making eye contact only encourages girls, so I don't like to make eye contact for too long with girls unless they interest me, and avoid it completely for the uglies. Refusing to make eye contact with girls gives an immediate clear message I think and helps keep away lots of bar girls.

I can't be bothered talking to lots of girls, unless the girl is particularly interesting to talk to. After all I went there to get a hot fuck.

I am capable of showing clear interest in a girl though, once she really pulls my eye. Maybe not the biggest grin in the place, until a stunner wants me. Ha ha. Girls will know when I can't stop looking at them repeatedly. Sometimes they then give encouragement and sometimes the reverse. So often I will know a girl is not keen at all, before I even approach. I would still call that a knock back, if an indirect one. If I speak to them and they don't answer, that is also a knock back in my mind.

Yes I accept my demeanour can count against me. I am not grinning heaps when there is no funny joke happening. However I am actually quite relaxed and jovial, even when girls think I am deadpan. I find sometimes girls will knock me back if I took too long to decide on them, as though they were not seen as really good, but merely a last resort reluctant pick.

In the 90's, there were none of these problems. I guess I was younger and more handsome (ha ha. Joke - rather average I think) and possibly seen as one of the most desirable guys on offer at the time. Not any more, yet I am not fat (not quite slim but okay). And still have hair (not even much white hairs) which probably counts for zero.

Maybe a big smile could help me. I notice Natty Bumpo can put on a more encouraging face than I probably manage. So I guess important for us to try to act much younger than our actual age.

Some of my regular girls are young and pretty and quite orgasmic, very into the sex, love DATY and cowgirl etc. , and don't seem to give a shit about my age. However the difference is they know my character already.

Some girls respond very well to me indeed. In a bar, it merely needs a wink or nod to show interest and call a girl over. Always have fond memories of an extremely lovey-dovey girl I met in Billboard, who was quite intimate after just a few minutes and a couple of pink tequilas. Yet I assume she turned it on for all the customers. She soon found a Farang BF sponsor and quit there very promptly. She certainly knew how to catch a big fish, pretty, good body and a good fuck too. Too good for me (sort of). I would have repeated her forever.

Early 2000s I used to get knockbacks from some bargirls and still did sometimes in Crazy House. The main reason had to be they wanted Asians or young spunky guys. We got used to it. They still had plenty of girls that preferred older farangs. They can lie back, close the eyes and really get into DATY, they can dim the lights for sex, to better ignore that the man is a bit old. If I offer girls the chance to skip the DATY, very few of them want to skip it. That might be the best part for them.

[BkkVistor77]

And the decent lookers will not go with western dudes for the most part.

Not so sure if that's true, I'd say over half seemed willing to go with me. Maybe the thing is that most of the Asian punters are younger, look like they are having a good time, look like they have money, and are a little less creepy that us farang middle aged mongers (me included).

[Nyezhov]

And the decent lookers will not go with western dudes for the most part.

They do with me.

[EihTooms]

I think you just proposed that opinions on decent, and extra pretty vary widely, unless customers are deliberately selecting the ugly girls thinking they will perform better.

Perhaps that is my problem. I am not will to choose ugly in order to get a good service. So I usually get a poor session from the Thermae girls. Restrictions for sure, dick scared too. Have not had a girl worth repeating from there for years!

I never specified your requirements for CIM, CIP, or BBFS, yet I still got girls not at all interested. So certainly not 95% willing to go with me. Obviously one can't know the exact percentage. I suspect much lower. Maybe my problem is I am certainly choosing from the top 5% of lookers (for my taste) which excludes bad surgeries cases, fat thighs and rounded faces. Actually I usually had at most 3 possible target girls in there (maybe less than 5%). Even if a girl goes with me, its of little use if she is not going to give an enthusiastic GFE, at least for me, and yeh I don't want a CBJ either. Some start with an "attitude" and want a Farang surcharge.

Yeh there are girls trying to grab me mainly from the right side, but I rarely am interested in them. They aren't in the top 5%, often not slim enough.
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I know some punters will ignore girls who do not fit their spec even to the point of seeming somewhat rude to them or, at the very least, seem themselves to be aloof and disinterested. If I have read your posts correctly, I believe that is often your approach as well. I understand that since I will often behave that way myself in many cases. Particularly in most P4P scenarios where paying the least bit of attention to unacceptable girls only encourages them to come over to you, pester you for Lady Drinks, to sit in your lap and so on.

But that is never going to be the case in Thermae. IMO, that kind of approach many of us employ in go-go bars or walking down the street is the opposite of what can work for us in Thermae. There is virtually zero risk of being hit on and pestered by unacceptable girls in there even if you walk through the crowd and circle the room with a big, welcoming smile and "sawatdee khrup" aimed at any and every girl in your normal line of sight until you settle into a spot to be a bit more specific about it.

I employ the latter approach in Thermae and it never means I am going to choose from among the ugliest girls my eyes and smile happened to land on during the course of the cruise. And they are never going to walk 5 steps out of line to grab my pecker and hit me up for a Lady Drink (there are none in Thermae. lol). However, I am guessing that by doing that a much higher percentage of decent to above average, pretty, often even very pretty girls are responding positively to me along the way than if I scowled on the stroll until I narrowed my gaze on just the 3-5 girls who might qualify as among the top 5% of lookers according to my spec. True, it also doesn't mean that a girl I approach from among those responsive prettier girls is going to say "Yes" to my BBBJ+CIM or BBFS-CIP expectations. But if I were happy to pay their going rate and get neither, which I am not, I think I could walk out of Thermae any night of the week with one of the top, oh let's say 10% lookers in the place. Almost certainly from among the top 20%.

As you alluded to, that is the only "survey" method we can use for this issue in Thermae. So that is the survey method I use. I see plenty of farangs walking in and around Thermae with a dour, deadpan expression or scowl on their face and they get near zero indication of interest from just about every girl in the room. Then they walk over to one of the top 5% lookers, get shut down and leave. I assume they will now tell anyone who asks that Thermae girls "only like Asians." Not saying that is your situation, Syzygies. And I understand that if the only girls in Thermae that look "decent" or better to a farang are among the top 5% lookers, then he could easily conclude there are no girls worth meeting in there since most of the decent ones are only interested in Asian customers. Because, in all probability, the top 5% lookers ARE only interested in Asian customers.

[Syzygies]

On FinFin there are plenty of OK looking photos, but most faces are blurred and it's heavily photoshopped, so you can't really tell. Moreover, the process from site to bang it is a hassle (even on a good day) and more importantly, none of the online apps will ever offer the experience of choosing among eager hookers the real world used to. The site targets Thais, but if you speak Thai it's OK, even doable with typing in English (as long as you keep it very simple).

A few times I've done FinFin, the experience was browsing 300 profiles, picking 10, sending Line, 5 of them reply within a reasonable timeframe, the hottest one doesn't like Farang and quotes a high price (no, I don't want you for 3 k if the website clearly says 1. 5 k), the next two stop replying just as I'm about to arrange to meet, and the last one is somewhere far out like Ramkhamaeng, so I take an hour to get there. The session is ok, the few girls I had were reasonably friendly and unrushed, though no beauty queens. However, during the long ride back, I'm thinking I should have jacked off and gone about my day, so that's exactly what I do next time.

Honestly, I doubt working girls available to Thai punters are significantly better, at least not in the under 3 k for ST bracket. It's simply crappier for all of us.

Great report man. It shows the realities of the hassles with meeting Thai girls that can be very unreliable.

While I can speak Thai and even type Thai well, I am not looking for the so called thrill of the hunt. I just can't be bothered to go through what you describe. Maybe I would make an exception and go to Ram Kham Haeng for a stunner, if I was sure about her face and figure. However girls that normally have Thai customers, may not be really at ease and horny with Farangs.

Hence I much prefer to do girls that normally fuck Farangs or at least greatly prefer Farangs. Far more likely to have a good experience that way. No point me going to an Asian dominated bar, MP, Soapy or web hook up site.

On a slight tangent:

One day went to Emanuelle Soapy and chose a slim absolute stunner for my taste. She had restrictions, dick scared, did not like to do a BJ, and in the end could not really fuck her. A disaster. She said that her normal young Asian customers had no issues with her. They were happy with her poor service, I guess because she was so pretty and nice body. Yet her skills and service were pathetic. Previously I did have some good girls from Emannuelle, that performed fine even if not used to Farangs, but it gets worse and worse, I suppose as I get older.

I don't really understand it, but back in the 90s I could go to a Soapy like Chao Praya 2, where probably the majority of customers were Thai, with some Farangs. Yet back then I had few bad experiences. Could the girls have had a much different attitude because I was younger? I don't think that can be the full story. Girls needed repeat customers. They seemed to try to make the service very good. Hardly met dick scared girls back then. Maybe it helped I had a good mamasan to consult with, not taking her recommended girls necessarily but more so asking her about my targets. She could easily rule out any terrible girls. In those days "body slide" girls tended to be reliable for service. Was never a hassle to be at Chao Praya 2 Soapy for hours, sit eating and drinking. When spot a desirable girl in a large line up, go do a session. Some times more than one session in same day, without even leaving the premises.

[Syzygies]

Aside from perhaps the top 5% best lookers in Thermae, my observation is every other girl in the place will go with any customer of almost any ethnicity as long as he is willing to pay her acceptable going rate and will settle for covered everything. At least, I have never felt a lack of either blatant or muted enthusiasm to be approached and taken from virtually all but that top 5% in there. And my fellow 50+ year old farangs would report the same personal experience.

There is no serious challenge for non Asian guys like us to get 95% of the girls in Thermae to go with us. The only real challenge is getting one to go with us while agreeing to either BBBJ+CIM or BBFS+CIP. That's the only thing that replaces fairly obvious interest in me approaching a girl there with a "No" and "No", I mean. I don't have any survey info on Anal since neither I nor other guys I know who sometimes take Thermae girls negotiate for that.

But I am guessing Asian guys would also be stumped and stymied in taking many or any Thermae girls if BBBJ+CIM or BBFS+CIP were the genuine upfront sticking points between the girl's interest in being approached and "Yes".

I think you just proposed that opinions on decent, and extra pretty vary widely, unless customers are deliberately selecting the ugly girls thinking they will perform better.

Perhaps that is my problem. I am not will to choose ugly in order to get a good service. So I usually get a poor session from the Thermae girls. Restrictions for sure, dick scared too. Have not had a girl worth repeating from there for years!

I never specified your requirements for CIM, CIP, or BBFS, yet I still got girls not at all interested. So certainly not 95% willing to go with me. Obviously one can't know the exact percentage. I suspect much lower. Maybe my problem is I am certainly choosing from the top 5% of lookers (for my taste) which excludes bad surgeries cases, fat thighs and rounded faces. Actually I usually had at most 3 possible target girls in there (maybe less than 5%). Even if a girl goes with me, its of little use if she is not going to give an enthusiastic GFE, at least for me, and yeh I don't want a CBJ either. Some start with an "attitude" and want a Farang surcharge.

Yeh there are girls trying to grab me mainly from the right side, but I rarely am interested in them. They aren't in the top 5%, often not slim enough.

Way back in 1991, the Thermae was Farang guy dominated, many much older than me. In those days it was very common to see guys approach girls, have a discussion (very basic I assume), and move on. Either the girl knocked them back, or guy was asking for things that the girl did not want, or money offer was too poor. Yet in that year I did not get refusals, even from girls that had refused several other guys. I don't know the reason. Was it because I was only 35, or not stingy, or had a small amount of Thai language, I don't know. In that year the girls would stay all night. Fantastic GFEs were had with seemingly horny girls, needing a bit of extra pocket money outside their regular job. Seems so different now. I got a lot of Thai language practice with these girls too, even I struggled a lot in that year. Most Thermae girls had very low English. Would love to go back and repeat.

Girls in the Thermae always had the right to choose what they wanted too. In old days they seemed choosy and seemed to look for a good time for night as well as some money. Back then they were only part time hookers, mostly.

[EihTooms]

And the decent lookers will not go with western dudes for the most part.

Bearing in mind we will often have a different opinion on which girls are pretty, very pretty, beautiful or stunning, I think most of us would agree on who is decent / average looking, above average, doable or more than doable. Maybe I am wrong in assuming decent is essentially the same as average in this regard.

But if it can be taken as essentially the same, I have seen many decent/average (and above) girls walking out of Thermae with non Asians. I have also seen many pretty+ girls in there passed up by every man of every ethnicity and not taken now matter how crowded it is with customers. And I have seen many Asian men walking out with girls who barely qualify as doable. All variations on the theme really.

Aside from perhaps the top 5% best lookers in Thermae, my observation is every other girl in the place will go with any customer of almost any ethnicity as long as he is willing to pay her acceptable going rate and will settle for covered everything. At least, I have never felt a lack of either blatant or muted enthusiasm to be approached and taken from virtually all but that top 5% in there. And my fellow 50+ year old farangs would report the same personal experience.

There is no serious challenge for non Asian guys like us to get 95% of the girls in Thermae to go with us. The only real challenge is getting one to go with us while agreeing to either BBBJ+CIM or BBFS+CIP. That's the only thing that replaces fairly obvious interest in me approaching a girl there with a "No" and "No", I mean. I don't have any survey info on Anal since neither I nor other guys I know who sometimes take Thermae girls negotiate for that.

But I am guessing Asian guys would also be stumped and stymied in taking many or any Thermae girls if BBBJ+CIM or BBFS+CIP were the genuine upfront sticking points between the girl's interest in being approached and "Yes".

[Smoothy]

And the decent lookers will not go with western dudes for the most part.

They will if word of mouth has spread that you have a small cock, pay big money, and cum quickly.

[Goatscrot]

I have to say the opposite, I just got back from Thermae, and after walking around the place 3 times I saw a lot of very very attractive girls, many of them early / mid 20's, and hot!

Tonight I didn't partake as that place is just not my scene, and find it all a little too overwhelming, however I was impressed by the quality.

And the decent lookers will not go with western dudes for the most part.

[V Lenin]

I've been to BKK a few times and am reasonably familiar with the scene and various offerings around lower Sukhumvit. I wouldn't say I'm the most experienced or knowledgeable guy of such things, but I get by on what I do know and places I have been, experiences I've had etc.

I'll be back in BKK in a couple of months and will celebrate a milestone birthday while I'm there. Obviously, I'm keen to make it memorable in more ways than one, and am looking for suggestions and ideas. Budget, say, 10,000 B for this one night (not including accommodation).

[Nyezhov]

I have to say the opposite, I just got back from Thermae, and after walking around the place 3 times I saw a lot of very very attractive girls, many of them early / mid 20's, and hot!

Tonight I didn't partake as that place is just not my scene, and find it all a little too overwhelming, however I was impressed by the quality.

Yes there were some cuties in there last night (Friday). On both sides of the bar.

[Crocodilexp]

The working girls that are available to non-Thai men are not that desirable. On sites like FinFin there are lots of really amazing looking gals, but it is directed towards Thais and most gals have long sets of rules. Gone are the days when you could go into Thermae the last week of the month and pull a great looking office gal looking to supplement her income.

On FinFin there are plenty of OK looking photos, but most faces are blurred and it's heavily photoshopped, so you can't really tell. Moreover, the process from site to bang it is a hassle (even on a good day) and more importantly, none of the online apps will ever offer the experience of choosing among eager hookers the real world used to. The site targets Thais, but if you speak Thai it's OK, even doable with typing in English (as long as you keep it very simple).

A few times I've done FinFin, the experience was browsing 300 profiles, picking 10, sending Line, 5 of them reply within a reasonable timeframe, the hottest one doesn't like Farang and quotes a high price (no, I don't want you for 3 k if the website clearly says 1. 5 k), the next two stop replying just as I'm about to arrange to meet, and the last one is somewhere far out like Ramkhamaeng, so I take an hour to get there. The session is ok, the few girls I had were reasonably friendly and unrushed, though no beauty queens. However, during the long ride back, I'm thinking I should have jacked off and gone about my day, so that's exactly what I do next time.

Honestly, I doubt working girls available to Thai punters are significantly better, at least not in the under 3 k for ST bracket. It's simply crappier for all of us.

[BkkVistor77]

Could not agree more. When I go to a mall I see a lot of very attractive Thai gals. Also in the area I live in. I'm a bit out on the blue line. There are many amazing looking Chinese and Korean tourist gals that put all the local gals to shame as well. The working girls that are available to non-Thai men are not that desirable. On sites like FinFin there are lots of really amazing looking gals, but it is directed towards Thais and most gals have long sets of rules. Gone are the days when you could go into Thermae the last week of the month and pull a great looking office gal looking to supplement her income.

I have to say the opposite, I just got back from Thermae, and after walking around the place 3 times I saw a lot of very very attractive girls, many of them early / mid 20's, and hot!

Tonight I didn't partake as that place is just not my scene, and find it all a little too overwhelming, however I was impressed by the quality.

[BlueBudgie]

Perfect my dude. I'll be taking 3 up LOL wife plus 2! Anyways sounds like its going to be a solid week.

I have stayed many times only at JW Marriott (4 Sukhumvit Rd) and they have never checked in / out any girl I have taken to my room. Even two girls together. Nevertheless, I think that they have people standing / sitting in the lobby, near the elevators, that are discretely checking all the people coming in and out. But this is a plus for me: I feel safer.

I consider JW Marriott (4 Sukhumvit Rd) one of the best (if not the best) hotel in Bangkok, not only for mongering, but also for the superb breakfast served.