Bangkok Reports

[Paolo99]

Sounds like the Smooci program has leached into those TF girls' agenda; 1000 baht paid upfront on arrival and all that crap. Too bad.

We all know that you don't like Smooci but to be fair, this 1000 paid upfront (in Smooci, not from the TF girls as in the post below) is probably to protect themselves from the many "losers" that they might meet.

I used Smooci several times and had never been asked to pay upfront by any girls (but never met the "independent" ones).

And frankly if the girls from TF knew about Smooci, don't you think they would make an account on Smooci and charge these higher rates? These TF girls are the bottom of the barrel and are completely clueless to what happens around them.

[Paolo99]

I never use TF or sites like it but I've always wondered how many losers who can't get dates waste these girl's time by meeting them for coffee and dinner with zero intention of sex later or worst yet seeking free sex later.

There are probably a lot of shitty guys on TF but the vast majority of these girls are not better in my opinion.

Before my last trip I spent a lot of time trying to find decent girls (I'm not meaning stunners, just average girls that look actually decent), and I spotted only very few.

Most of them didn't even reply, the cutest ones are only for premium members, and every thing else are garbage, bottom of the barrels in what Bangkok has to offer.

Finally I had 2 girls gave me their Line ID. Once I was in Bkk, I texted both of them, the first one read the messages but didn't find it worth answering me and the other one didn't want to meet up. So who is wasting whose time?

I deleted both of them. Most of these girls are very below average girls that act as if they were stunners. TF is worth the pain only for guys living there and having a lot of time to waste. You're wrong if you think guys are wasting these girls time, they just open their app continuously and reply to message once in a while. If actually guys were wasting their time, I think it would be well deserved.

[EihTooms]

Was saying that guys are losers if they go on TF, Badoo, etc. Only wanting a free date for companionship or free sex rather than using the sites seeking girls for PAID sexual services.

Just my opinion. If some of you guys fall in to that boat sorry to offend you.

BB, I wasn't trying to turn around what you posted to mean anything other than that. As far as TF girls being victimized by "losers" wasting their time goes, I also meant that there are probably as many quick and effective safeguards against that happening with direct P4P girls, FLs, on TF as there are in other options, even go-go bars.

[EihTooms]

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I think guys that are unsure if their date is a hooker or not, should make an effort to find out, and have her refuse to take money, rather than assume she does not expect any.
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I have to say this is an issue that pops up every now and then on the dating sites; girls who come on a bit sexy and forward but don't make it clear upfront that they expect money for sex. And then it turns out they get VERY insulted to the point of blocking you if you so much as ask for clarification. It happens. Maybe girls like that are playing games.

But the uncertainty can go further. Case in point was a girl I met on Tinder last week. No mention of being a FL or needing support / money the way some Tinder girls will. She did mention she was unemployed and looking for a job. We carried on enthusiastic conversations right up until she accepted a date to meet for lunch or dinner and I dared to let her know I intended to take care of the costs of dinner, movie, whatever we do when we meet. Her being unemployed and all.

"Why you tell me that?! Why you pay for my meal?! Do you think I am bargirl? I not bargirl! Not every Thai lady is same!"

She immediately unMatched me. LOL.

And it has gone the other way a few times, too, where there is no mention of money, the girl insists on paying for her own meal and our taxi ride. Then on her way out after a night of sex I offer to pay for her transportation or anything else she needs and the girl says nothing except how she hopes we can meet again soon. LOL.

What do you do then? Hand her the going rate for ST or LT, depending on how long she was with you and risk her outrage for not seeing this night as the first on our long march to the marriage altar? Hand her enough for taxi and see if her facial expression fills in the blanks?

[Gargano19]

Many guys claim that girls met are happy to go fuck them for free. Its not clear to me to what extent they may have expected money and did not get it. However not all girls want to be hookers. It is possible for girls to be horny. One would have to do an extended survey of the girls to really understand the variety of their expectations, and even then they would not tell the truth. The smart ones that are hookers, will surely state their price for sex, and why waste time on a dinner, etc.

I use TF a lot. I prefer to meet semi-pros, who do it for extra buck and TF is one of a good place to find them (and I just don't like Thermae, so that's not an option for me). I had few of my best fucks, with the girls I met on TF. They are not the ones who do it 5 times a day like massage girls, and every night like gogo girls. And it's pretty easy to tell which girl is ready to accept money for sex, but don't do it often.

And I agree with you, the regular freelancers don't waste time with dates, and tell the price upfront, which saves everyone's time.

I only met one girl on TF, who I fucked for free, because she never asked and she has a lot of money, I think more than me. She was just looking for a fuck-buddy, and luckily I was her type. We meet every week, and she stays for night and leave in morning. Won't have met her, if it wasn't for TF.

P.S. : I agree with bb's comment that TF has many "losers" who wastes girl's times, but TF is still a great place for those who can invest some time.

[ChicoBarca]

Just a few words on my own experience with social media. Last year in February I was for the first time in Thailand (BKK) and a total newbie and I still consider myself as such even though I have had 4 trips there since all with different experiences. The first time in BKK I used Tinder before my travel and had some good conversation with quite a few. Since I was travelling solo I found it to be an excellent way to meet Thai girls for the first time. A typical first meeting would be for a drink, the reason for this is if there is no chemistry it's a quick retreat. That didn't happen though. Then we could go for something to eat and to a bar afterwards. I have no issues about spending money for a good time, even if it should not end up with a happy ending. This was never the case though. And after the bedroom drill normally now late morning, I took the money up and was declined. All they wanted was taxi money since they have stayed later than expected and was in a hurry. For those of you senior guys here, you would probably say rookie mistake and I was lucky, and I would not disagree. My experience is from South America and the monger scene there, so here I'm a rookie learning to swim again.

The last experience I had was from Jomtien where I met up with some friends. Since this was a work related trip and only for a couple of days I didn't collect a lot of experience there. Well, we met up in a bar there and while I sat down with them I could sense that the bar girls could smell rookie blood. It's a long time since I have got this much attention from like 8-10 girls (only 2 of them that I found doable). Then out from no where a quite stunning girl came up, looked at all the girls and said, "he's mine". My friends looked at me and said with disbelief, what the F% just happen? They said this was the mamasan, and they have tried for a week to get her. Well, the drinking continued and the other girls still tried to get me, but could not get the mamasan out of my head. But she didn't show any interest at all, rather seemed quite cold. So by closing time I thought, well I wasted that night, nothing is going to happen. So we all left and since my hotel was in an other direction than the others we split up. I went around the corner and to the back side of the bar. And while I was walking up the street I heard a voice "Hi, did you forget me already? I looked up and there she was, the mamasan. We talked for some minutes and then she asked, where do you stay and can I see your room? Of course, I was like a kid on Christmas. Well, she was a firework and she stayed to late morning. And when I tried to sneak some money to her, she just looked at me and said. The only thing I want is that when you come here next time you promise to choose a hotel further away from the bar, I don't want the girls to discover this. So, my point is that even when you want to pay, some girls just don't want it. And just to make it clear, I'm pretty sure I'm not a 10 for the girls. Hehehehe. So that's definitely not the reason.

BB your post was a little difficult to understand, especially as a non TF or similar user. Maybe you were commenting on what other guys write about meeting girls via "dating" apps, who maybe trying to take advantage of girls rather than be taken advantage of, using the so called "dating".

I don't think we can put all guys in a box, the behaviour varies a lot.

I don't think ET's response was unreasonable, once I thought I understood it. The "losers" part could be just considered sending you up since you started that phrase. We are well use to ET having slightly exaggerated responses or takes on some issues, but not especially so this time.

[Syzygies]

Was saying that guys are losers if they go on TF, Badoo, etc. Only wanting a free date for companionship or free sex rather than seeking girls for PAID sexual services.

Many guys claim that girls met are happy to go fuck them for free. Its not clear to me to what extent they may have expected money and did not get it. However not all girls want to be hookers. It is possible for girls to be horny. One would have to do an extended survey of the girls to really understand the variety of their expectations, and even then they would not tell the truth. The smart ones that are hookers, will surely state their price for sex, and why waste time on a dinner, etc.

I suppose there must still be extremely shy girls that cannot say how much money they want, but I don't know the percentage. I still get bar girls that never negotiated a price, but I still pay them very fairly or better if performance, attitude and work rate was above normal.

I think guys that are unsure if their date is a hooker or not, should make an effort to find out, and have her refuse to take money, rather than assume she does not expect any.

One of my regular girls seems to like dick, stamina and oral sex. She doesn't get paid exactly on a per session basis. I am sure she has had many guys pick her up from a club for free and she would be looking for a great fuck. Her type would be typically a lot younger, handsome and more muscly than myself. Would love to have met her 15 years earlier in her prime. She keeps coming back, for multiple reasons, sometimes short of money, sometimes short of a good fuck.

[Banana Boi]

BB your post was a little difficult to understand, especially as a non TF or similar user. Maybe you were commenting on what other guys write about meeting girls via "dating" apps, who maybe trying to take advantage of girls rather than be taken advantage of, using the so called "dating".

Was saying that guys are losers if they go on TF, Badoo, etc. Only wanting a free date for companionship or free sex rather than using the sites seeking girls for PAID sexual services.

Just my opinion. If some of you guys fall in to that boat sorry to offend you.

[XRatedBangkok]

Stambled on this video
https://xhamster.com/videos/go-go-ba...icone-11094327

[Syzygies]

I never use TF or sites like it but I've always wondered how many losers who can't get dates waste these girl's time by meeting them for coffee and dinner with zero intention of sex later or worst yet seeking free sex later.

BB your post was a little difficult to understand, especially as a non TF or similar user. Maybe you were commenting on what other guys write about meeting girls via "dating" apps, who maybe trying to take advantage of girls rather than be taken advantage of, using the so called "dating".

I don't think we can put all guys in a box, the behaviour varies a lot.

It can't be many. The girls see the man's profile and photos. He sees hers. They can also video chat soon enough. Girls who are primarily interested in money for sex make it known upfront and very quickly so the man will know about it and a deal can and will be struck ASAP before a time and place to meet is set.

Oh, it isn't known and understood by both sides as quickly as for losers who can't get dates walking into a go-go bar. But quickly.

I don't think ET's response was unreasonable, once I thought I understood it. The "losers" part could be just considered sending you up since you started that phrase. We are well use to ET having slightly exaggerated responses or takes on some issues, but not especially so this time.

So don't be too sensitive, is my advice. Argumentative discussions are quite normal. You are make a provocative post, you have to get responses.

Do any of us post a lot of particular girl experience reports lately? I would if I did any new girls, and had something to offer whether the girl was fun or pathetic.

I have posted on almost all new bargirls and MP girls I tried in the last few years. Sadly some are not available any more. The good ones often don't last long.

[EihTooms]

You tell me. You're much more a Bangkok gogo bar expert than I am. I only assume this because I NEVER actually see you writing any 'Reports' in the 'Reports' threads. Just bickering, complaining, repetitively whining. I gave my opinion about TF yet you decided to turn what I said all around. You seem to do that a lot with a lot of different people on this board.

Maybe you just need to go out more often and get laid. Really helps Anger Management.

I have written reports. Even about go-go bars, barfining go-go girls, etc. So you're wrong about that. I have never claimed to be a better go-go bar expert than anyone else. But maybe you're not wrong about you not actually "seeing" them. How can I control that?

If what I posted turned what you said about TF all around, why not simply correct and clarify it instead of angrily bickering, complaining and whining about it?

[Banana Boi]

Oh, it isn't known and understood by both sides as quickly as for losers who can't get dates walking into a go-go bar. But quickly.

You tell me. You're much more a Bangkok gogo bar expert than I am. I only assume this because I NEVER actually see you writing any 'Reports' in the 'Reports' threads. Just bickering, complaining, repetitively whining. I gave my opinion about TF yet you decided to turn what I said all around. You seem to do that a lot with a lot of different people on this board.

Maybe you just need to go out more often and get laid. Really helps Anger Management.

[EihTooms]

I never use TF or sites like it but I've always wondered how many losers who can't get dates waste these girl's time by meeting them for coffee and dinner with zero intention of sex later or worst yet seeking free sex later.

It can't be many. The girls see the man's profile and photos. He sees hers. They can also video chat soon enough. Girls who are primarily interested in money for sex make it known upfront and very quickly so the man will know about it and a deal can and will be struck ASAP before a time and place to meet is set.

Oh, it isn't known and understood by both sides as quickly as for losers who can't get dates walking into a go-go bar. But quickly.

[Syzygies]

But, no doubt about it, having a live-in gal is a BIG mistake in Thailand, imo, unless you have really settled down in outlying farm country areas away from larger cities and red light districts. I even told the 30 year old I mentioned in my previous post NOT to plan on staying over 3 nights. Two nights in a row is my limit with any one female with the possible exception of my regular main gf. I might be willing to go for a third night in a row with her every few months. Reluctantly.

There are some exceptional girls that do not bore me after fucking them 3 days running. A good option though is to meet a girl on alternate days with something else in between.

So I am not burned out by sex. Never got quite enough. Farm / country life far away from the red-lights is not too bad though. Holidays from the Mongering. Have "leg-openers" to make her horny often.

In Bangkok guys get a chance to slip away from the GF and do an MP or ST Hotel meet. However could agree that full time live in girls is not a great idea, unless she is non-jealous type and allowing for possibility the guy might play up a bit.

Once took a Tulip girl on 4 or 5 day holiday, can't remember but was not bored by her at all. Works with very special girls.

[EihTooms]

This is crazy. Twice now in 2 weeks concerning ladies I have met on TF, have asked for 1000 thb just to meet them? I ask to join me for coffee or lunch and I assumed we could take it from there.

One lady said ok 1000 thb to meet and if you want sex then an additional 3000 thb. Also you must pay for my taxi 400 thb, or I could come to her soi and pay her 4000 thb and a cheap hotel room for 1 hour. She gave the excuse that the only reason she is selling her body is that, "her mother is very sick". And that is the only reason she would ever sell herself.

The second lady wanted to come direct to my room for 3000 thb and taxi of 250 thb. I told her I would like to meet first and check her out before I bought the package. She said fine 1000 thb to meet and then if I wanted her an additional 3000 thb, and her taxi.

I remember one situation a couple of years ago when I required the services of a lady from Craig's list. She agreed on the price and time. When I told her my hotel, The Ambassador, she didn't show. I texted her asking where are you. She responded that to many bad people at my hotel and always not there when she arrived. Too many Indians she said.

So I went out last night and pulled an FL off of soi 7. 1500 thb and she's still here. Fucking in the shower, no condum, she cums every 5 minutes. I should tell her Charlie's rule. " I pay you to leave not for sex. ".

RL.

Sounds like the Smooci program has leached into those TF girls' agenda; 1000 baht paid upfront on arrival and all that crap. Too bad. Smooci's originally stated program seemed like it might actually serve to ripple out and positively influence the entire Thai P4P scene. Talking about the rating system as originally framed.

But then they lost the plot (and, frankly, were allowed to do so by too many passive, meek and weak punters) and began to chip away at anything and everything that might have provided more necessary leverage for their customers to ensure a great time for a fair price, shifted the leverage to the girls instead and now it is the girls who are calling all the important shots from the moment a customer clicks on the booking button. While many white knight Smooci patrons and supporters applauded the changes. haha.

Now it seems the latter incarnations of the Smooci program have indeed rippled out to influence other P4P options. But in a negative way.