Bangkok Reports

[Smoothy]

what it classically meant (BBFS).

That's what it classically meant? I must have missed that definition in all my years in Asia. I always thought GFE meant they acted like a girlfriend. To describe a girl who does BBFS, I simply say BBFS or raw. I'm not sure why you would want to cloud the issue by trying to mask it by lumping it into the GFE category. There are plenty of hard core mercenary hookers who allow BBFS but aren't GFE in any way. Since you use GFE to describe BBFS, how do you describe an actual girl friend experience?

[Syzygies]

LOL. Well, if we're no longer worried about coming right out and posting about no condom vaginal intercourse (BBFS) here for fear of rooting out the Safe Sex, This is the Wrong Forum, You're Boring Me, Why Did You Taunt The Safe Sex Scolds?, Viotaling Board Rules and Guidelines crowd in posts where that subject is broached, I can certainly be a lot more direct and less vague about it next time.

I am sorry. I like fairly straight forward talk that is understandable. Those who lecture on safe sex are clearly outside the rules, if in the wrong thread.

It is not illegal to mention BBFS sex if that is the intended meaning, however advisable to not taunt the safe sex preachers too much, by overdoing it or by being too smart ass about it (not implying anything about yourself here). So gloating is not a good idea, though not always easy to know what will rile the religious preachers.

I even liked some of your previous comments about having the test result certificates/prints, which also could be useful even in event of a condom accident.

I did not get the hint about BBFS, if there was one. Not that intuitive, myself. If you had mentioned it more directly, would not have upset me at all. I am not a safe sex preacher, and I recognise the rules do not permit it. I only dislike it when it becomes a battle in the wrong thread. I think every guy can make his own decision what things are too risky for him, or put the debates in the Safe Sex thread. For many it is a boring topic, done to death so many times.

I definitely think a CBJ would detract significantly from a GFE (LOL). I can't recall my last CBJ in Thailand. Too long ago, but may have been when the girl had a gum injury or just returned from dentist. If necessary, I promise not to CIM, and girls generally trust me.

[EihTooms]

I am sure Smoothy did not seek to imply he got BBFS with all Tilac girls, when he said GFE. I probably failed to grasp what ET may have been hinting at. I did struggle to understand ET's post, being rather indirect vague stuff.

LOL. Well, if we're no longer worried about coming right out and posting about no condom vaginal intercourse (BBFS) here for fear of rooting out the Safe Sex, This is the Wrong Forum, We're All Going To Die, You're Boring Me, Why Did You Taunt The Safe Sex Scolds?, Violating Board Rules and Guidelines crowd in posts where that subject is broached, I can certainly be a lot more direct and less vague about it next time.

But I had no idea what Smoothy meant by GFE either since it could well mean anything today and no longer means what it classically meant (BBFS). That is why I asked if he could elaborate on what he meant. As I mentioned in that long reply, based on what I have observed and experienced of late with regard to some bars "somewhat institutionalizing" a means to achieve the BBFS kind of GFE with certain girls, I believe he COULD have meant Tilac Bar is on that program. In which case, I would be quite a bit more interested in re-visiting Tilac Bar and giving it another chance. That is why I asked what he meant by GFE.

As an interesting aside, the reasonably higher 1,500 baht barfine vs the regular 700 baht issue at some bars I mentioned in my longer reply might very well also apply during holiday periods where they jack up the barfine rate to that amount. I stopped into Mandarin go-go bar (middle level) this Christmas Eve and after the first sip of her Lady Drink a cute, fit, young girl who probably was ordinarily a regular 700 baht barfine girl when it isn't a holiday said the barfine tonight is 1,500 baht instead of 700 because of Christmas. So I hit her with the question about what I would expect to happen if I paid 1,500 baht just to barfine her, including BBFS/no condom vaginal intercourse, and have never had that question answered in the affirmative so fast! "YES!" As I was trying to say previously, I believe many of these girls appreciate and understand there ought to be a good reason a customer pays 800 baht more just to the bar in order to take them out and are up for discussing the reasons early and often. True, there is no way for me to know if that is the way she would have replied even when the barfine hadn't been jacked up for the holiday, but just passing along that little tidbit anyway.

[EihTooms]

Well, that is certainly a long and roundabout way of saying you consider GFE = BBFS.

Um. That's not really the only thing that post was about. Much of it was in response to Syzy's wondering what I meant about some bars seeming to "somewhat institutionalize" a means for the customer to get whatever he might consider a more tangible and objective version of the more classically defined GFE.

[Smoothy]

I am sure Smoothy did not seek to imply he got BBFS with all Tilac girls, when he said GFE.

Of course not. It's all about attitude. It has nothing to do with BBFS.

[Syzygies]

Well, that is certainly a long and roundabout way of saying you consider GFE = BBFS.

I am sure Smoothy did not seek to imply he got BBFS with all Tilac girls, when he said GFE. I probably failed to grasp what ET may have been hinting at. I did struggle to understand ET's post, being rather indirect vague stuff.

[BionicMan]

Having had a bag stolen before, I can say you definitely do not want to have your passport with you. It is too valuable. Leave it somewhere safe. Also to carry only what you really need to carry with you. Imagine if you happened to somehow lose your wallet or similar.

Good advice to carry photocopies only.

When I say carry all in the pocket, I referred to MP visits where there is no locker.

The "all" means "what you carry daily", I. E. The minimum basic.

Keeping in the pocket means not forgetting it somewhere.

Just as much do in my hotel room even if alone. All grouped together.

Of course passport and most of valuables stay in the staff till when needed.

I have a light coloured bag to keep stuff in the safe, to avoid something stays behind.

Always have phone, iPad, passport covers or folders of a bright colour, I. E. Not black: more visible on a hotel room desk of shelf.

Leave them in a clear area, will be more visible to your eyes when leaving the room.

I wear a Rolex and never had an issue. They might think it is fake, LOL.

I leave it in the safe only in some places or if I plan to go to unknown environments.

Not a big target as cash or iPhone, LOL.

Also a passport is not a target, but can be list, of course.

[Syzygies]

You want best looking bar girls who will have fun with you and fuck you as you were their boyfriend. Good luck. Hopefully you are young and handsome, it helps.

Most of the best looking bar girls I take to my hotel room in Thailand don't really enjoy themselves. For them it is just a business transaction. I don't mind, I pay these hookers to fuck them and to play with their bodies, not to have fun with me.

No I am not young and handsome. Yet can find young girls really into it, certainly not all of them. Thai girls are a bit different to Western girls. They like nice men more than young arrogant men. Young and handsome would be just a bonus for them. Some young and beautiful girls that work part time, tell me they actually like sex a lot. The advantage of bar girls is that they are not getting far too many fucks per day. This can also be an advantage of very plain girls. They may not be getting too many fucks as well.

My freelancer repeated 4 times in total, was originally met on the street. Not stunning for looks but acceptable to me. She got 3 pops last session (in DATY, cowgirl and prone). She had been up country and no sex for at least 2 weeks. She was actually quite horny. She said this was the most pops she ever got single occasion as a street free lancer. Get the girl in the right mood and the right occasion, can be a cracker. I prefer to avoid girls taking 6 to 10 fucks per day, and just going through the motions. Stunning girls do not need to take so many fucks per day to make money too.

Ever since I first tried a Thai girl, maybe 30 years ago, I have always found Thai hookers were much more into it than western hookers of my home country, and particularly the Thai part time hookers. My early Thermae experiences were really great. It's a pity that Thermae is now dominated by presumably full time hookers, often looking for a quickie rather than all night.

Thai girls are far more likely to take a foreign boyfriend of significantly higher age, compared to age gaps western girls accept. Some girls really say they prefer older guys. One such Thai girl told me she started with western guys at the age of 16 and has not had Thai man ever in her life, nor been interested in one. A very exceptional case, no doubt. Other Thai girls got sick of very unreliable Thai men who make a baby and then just disappear. It is claimed that foreign men have a greater sense of responsibility, to look after their women and children.

[Syzygies]

I just carry a coloured photocopy of it in my wallet.

Sometime I do take a picture with my phone of the visa stamp page.

I have also a set of pictures of all my ID's in my phone, incl driving licence.

No lockers in MP. Lucky if they have a hanger. Just keep all un the pocket and go to known places.

Don't carry more than what is needed.

Having had a bag stolen before, I can say you definitely do not want to have your passport with you. It is too valuable. Leave it somewhere safe. Also to carry only what you really need to carry with you. Imagine if you happened to somehow lose your wallet or similar.

Good advice to carry photocopies only.

[BionicMan]

Hi all,

If traveling to Thailand and doing some mongering do you carry you passport at all times? Or locking in hotel safe?, and if visiting a massage place or soapy do the have lockers for your clothing and stuff?

Thanks,

Geano.

I just carry a coloured photocopy of it in my wallet.

Sometime I do take a picture with my phone of the visa stamp page.

I have also a set of pictures of all my ID's in my phone, incl driving licence.

No lockers in MP. Lucky if they have a hanger. Just keep all un the pocket and go to known places.

Don't carry more than what is needed.

[LA Guy 5]

See, I would consider what both you and Smoothy describe as GFE to you falls into the category of "demeanor" that appeals to you and therefore not really different from the "she was nice to me during the P4 P session" concept that I mentioned earlier. It is so subjective as to have virtually no meaning at all when it comes to the next punter looking for a tangible result in a P4 P session. A girl you'd want to take on vacation with you? The three of us might agree that a chatty, sociable lady with a great sense of humor fits the bill while the next guy would like nothing better than his "girlfriend" just STFU so he can hear the waves lapping on the shore. Act like she is genuinely into having sex with me? Good lord, imo that is about as basic a starting point for a P4 P girl earning her money as to be a total deal killer without it. Hardly worthy of touting a girl who at least tries that hard as offering something "extra" as in GFE. Moreover, since I cannot possibly know how shitty the past "girlfriends" of another punter treated him throughout his life, for him to now tell me a particular P4 P girl treated him like a million bucks and delivered wonderful GFE might only mean she didn't bark at him to stop slouching the moment he walked into the hotel room with her.

Asian Rain in his previous post is onto what I am talking about as the classically accepted notion of what those three letters, "GFE", used to mean in the P4 P world in terms of a tangible feature and result offered by a P4 P girl as objective and specific as if a girl said she would give you a BBBJ+CIM or A-Level service. Thankfully, we as punters have not over the years reduced and diluted the meaning of "BBBJ+CIM" to now allow that it could possibly mean a girl sits on the corner of the bed pointing to her mouth while the punter wanks himself off sitting on the opposite corner of the bed, but does so with a big, friendly smile on her face. No, we have stuck to our guns on what the term "BBBJ+CIM" means and what the result of it ought to be before we lay out the baht for it. But not so with "GFE". That now means virtually anything any punter wants it to mean.

As far as my alluding to some bars in Bangkok seeming to me to "somewhat institutionalize" a means for customers to get what GFE more classically meant in the past, I am talking about my fairly recent observation and experience with regard to go-go bars where there are "Special" girls on offer for a moderately higher barfine rate, not exactly Coyotes for whom the barfine rate is exorbitantly higher like the 3,000 baht barfine rate at Cowboy 2 on Soi Cowboy and therefore those Coyotes either never or almost never get barfined out by a customer (as intended by the bar that does not want them to go missing for so much as 2 hours from their decorative and Lady Drink hustling duties at their bar), but the places where the barfine for certain girls is, say, 1,000 baht or 1,500 baht vs 700 baht for the non "Special" girls working there. It seems to me of late that either by insinuation from management to the girls or simply a tacit understanding among the girls who want to remain on that "Special" girl list or who are simply motivated by a sense of competition to bag as many customers and especially repeat customers as possible, the set up, the "institution" is such that those girls are noticeably more inclined to say yes to providing that kind of GFE or whatever "special" service beyond the standard accepted one these days. That they will do so as though they genuinely want to have sex with me or at least as pleasantly as the kind of lady I wouldn't mind having spend a weekend with me on vacation would, in my humble opinion, be a rock bottom basic "given" in the transaction without which I probably wouldn't even bother.

Now, I don't mean to say ALL of those kind of "Special" girls will agree in the bar negotiation to providing whatever special service constitutes a GFE to every punter (btw, in these cases I believe that detail needs to be negotiated and agreed to by the girl in the bar beforehand. Not with a smile and a nod. Not even with an "ok" from the girl. Thai girls often are not committed to the idea that the word "ok" is the same as saying "yes" to something. A firm and unambiguous "yes" is the word we need to hear. Nothing else means "yes" to many Thai girls). Not at all. But it has been my impression of late that where the bar and the girl expects you to pay a reasonably higher barfine to the bar in order to take her out (1,000 or 1,500 vs the usual 700 baht), it is not UNexpected by her that you would naturally be inclined to ask for a higher level of service in exchange for it, more than the usual or standard service shall we say. She might still say no. I don't mean she will definitely say yes or that the bar is pressuring her to say yes or anything of the kind. But she at least will hear without recoiling in fake horror that your willingness to pay an 800 baht surcharge for her time and services ought naturally to be balanced by her willingness to deliver more for it. It isn't in writing. It doesn't appear on a menu. It won't be spelled out by a mamasan and there are no Coyotes standing outside the bar holding a sign telling customers that is the deal with the "Special" girls in this or that bar. But it is somewhat institutionalized by the understanding among most concerned that they are asking customers to pay that 800 baht surcharge over the usual barfine rate for certain ladies to deliver something tangibly and objectively more and not just for exhibiting a more pleasant demeanor while delivering the usual, standard level of service.

Well, that is certainly a long and roundabout way of saying you consider GFE = BBFS.

[Arn Poddict]

I am looking for a girl to have fun, enjoy herself as far as possible, but also to desire to get me off as well, I. E. Mutually good sex. The fact she gets paid does not matter to me. That is her fringe benefit that opens the door to a very hot young woman not normally available to me. If the girl is not into having a good time or seems bored by it all, I will detect that, and be unlikely to take her again.

I expect to get good looks, and GFE as well. I am not totally happy with just one or the other. All the average looking girls in the bar are unlikely to attract me, even if fab GFE is expected.

I am greedy. I want the pretty good looks (at least really cute) and the GFE. Young and good body is not enough for me.

You want best looking bar girls who will have fun with you and fuck you as you were their boyfriend. Good luck. Hopefully you are young and handsome, it helps.

Most of the best looking bar girls I take to my hotel room in Thailand don't really enjoy themselves. For them it is just a business transaction. I don't mind, I pay these hookers to fuck them and to play with their bodies, not to have fun with me.

[EihTooms]

I always thought GFE means that the girl performed in a way equal to or better than what has been experienced from a real GF or from a Gik. Hopefully girlfriends are doing sex in an enthusiastic way and trying to enjoy themselves rather than just going through the motions, because the guy wants a fuck. Enthusiastic DFK is basically assumed, but is not enough alone to imply GFE.

I don't like to get into negotiations with girls and make sure they agree to services, A, B, & C, since this is detracting from the GFE. Others will negotiate and agree to all the things to happen. Then it feels like merely a set of procedures. They don't care so much about GFE, because it is not real for them. They expect the girl won't really enjoy everything, merely perform her duty.

I am looking for a girl to have fun, enjoy herself as far as possible, but also to desire to get me off as well, I. E. Mutually good sex. The fact she gets paid does not matter to me. That is her fringe benefit that opens the door to a very hot young woman not normally available to me. If the girl is not into having a good time or seems bored by it all, I will detect that, and be unlikely to take her again.

So simply the GFE should be as close as possible to what you expect from a real GF or better. Some girlfriends are not that expert at certain things or don't like certain things, so if the GFE girl gives more, or is more enthusiastic, no problem. I never had a girlfriend that wanted anal, but if a GFE P4 P girl suggests it, no problem.

I expect to get good looks, and GFE as well. I am not totally happy with just one or the other. All the average looking girls in the bar are unlikely to attract me, even if fab GFE is expected.

In a bar, yes the music does not have to be the best (but it helps), the drinks service only has to be just tolerable, the atmosphere does not have to be best, but above all they have to have girls that attract me (not many needed), and bar has to be tolerable in terms of level of hassles created by the staff.

So last time BFed at Billboard, as example, watched girls on the rotating stage, selected a girl with pretty face and apparently good figure in Coyote type outfit to come over for a drink or two. She acted very lovey dovey with me pretty quickly, so very GFE even before we got to the bedroom. A few kisses got stolen in the bar. Followed by GFE on the bed. Did not even negotiate a price. Everything went right. Was repeated at a later date. She was probably looking for a Farang boyfriend. I think she may no longer be available. Dropped on my LINE contacts recently. May have hooked a boyfriend (or two) to support her already. LOL (not me). The bar work may have been only temporary for her.

I don't really understand what you are getting at about the bar " institutionalizing" GFE. Seems to me it is a lot more about firstly chemistry between girl and customer, and her attitude and purpose. She may be trying hard to hook regular customers that will bring a steady money supply. I don't see how a bar can turn every girl into a GFE provider for all customers. Maybe I have misunderstood you.

Just like Smoothy reports very few less than GFE performances from Tilac, I had very few less than GFE sessions from Suzie Wong, but no stunners in there. I think I may have had 3 girls from Tilac ever and two out of 3 were good (and GFE), one already known to me (previously in Baccara). I believe the third wasn't much good but it is many years ago. Yet I might attend other bars, simply because I am looking for prettier girls, and willing to take the risk of choosing the wrong girls sometimes. Yes I understand others will put guaranteed service levels, or guaranteed GFE ahead of having a really pretty face. I am greedy. I want the pretty good looks (at least really cute) and the GFE. Young and good body is not enough for me.

See, I would consider what both you and Smoothy describe as GFE to you falls into the category of "demeanor" that appeals to you and therefore not really different from the "she was nice to me during the P4 P session" concept that I mentioned earlier. It is so subjective as to have virtually no meaning at all when it comes to the next punter looking for a tangible result in a P4 P session. A girl you'd want to take on vacation with you? The three of us might agree that a chatty, sociable lady with a great sense of humor fits the bill while the next guy would like nothing better than his "girlfriend" just STFU so he can hear the waves lapping on the shore. Act like she is genuinely into having sex with me? Good lord, imo that is about as basic a starting point for a P4 P girl earning her money as to be a total deal killer without it. Hardly worthy of touting a girl who at least tries that hard as offering something "extra" as in GFE. Moreover, since I cannot possibly know how shitty the past "girlfriends" of another punter treated him throughout his life, for him to now tell me a particular P4 P girl treated him like a million bucks and delivered wonderful GFE might only mean she didn't bark at him to stop slouching the moment he walked into the hotel room with her.

Asian Rain in his previous post is onto what I am talking about as the classically accepted notion of what those three letters, "GFE", used to mean in the P4 P world in terms of a tangible feature and result offered by a P4 P girl as objective and specific as if a girl said she would give you a BBBJ+CIM or A-Level service. Thankfully, we as punters have not over the years reduced and diluted the meaning of "BBBJ+CIM" to now allow that it could possibly mean a girl sits on the corner of the bed pointing to her mouth while the punter wanks himself off sitting on the opposite corner of the bed, but does so with a big, friendly smile on her face. No, we have stuck to our guns on what the term "BBBJ+CIM" means and what the result of it ought to be before we lay out the baht for it. But not so with "GFE". That now means virtually anything any punter wants it to mean.

As far as my alluding to some bars in Bangkok seeming to me to "somewhat institutionalize" a means for customers to get what GFE more classically meant in the past, I am talking about my fairly recent observation and experience with regard to go-go bars where there are "Special" girls on offer for a moderately higher barfine rate, not exactly Coyotes for whom the barfine rate is exorbitantly higher like the 3,000 baht barfine rate at Cowboy 2 on Soi Cowboy and therefore those Coyotes either never or almost never get barfined out by a customer (as intended by the bar that does not want them to go missing for so much as 2 hours from their decorative and Lady Drink hustling duties at their bar), but the places where the barfine for certain girls is, say, 1,000 baht or 1,500 baht vs 700 baht for the non "Special" girls working there. It seems to me of late that either by insinuation from management to the girls or simply a tacit understanding among the girls who want to remain on that "Special" girl list or who are simply motivated by a sense of competition to bag as many customers and especially repeat customers as possible, the set up, the "institution" is such that those girls are noticeably more inclined to say yes to providing that kind of GFE or whatever "special" service beyond the standard accepted one these days. That they will do so as though they genuinely want to have sex with me or at least as pleasantly as the kind of lady I wouldn't mind having spend a weekend with me on vacation would, in my humble opinion, be a rock bottom basic "given" in the transaction without which I probably wouldn't even bother.

Now, I don't mean to say ALL of those kind of "Special" girls will agree in the bar negotiation to providing whatever special service constitutes a GFE to every punter (btw, in these cases I believe that detail needs to be negotiated and agreed to by the girl in the bar beforehand. Not with a smile and a nod. Not even with an "ok" from the girl. Thai girls often are not committed to the idea that the word "ok" is the same as saying "yes" to something. A firm and unambiguous "yes" is the word we need to hear. Nothing else means "yes" to many Thai girls). Not at all. But it has been my impression of late that where the bar and the girl expects you to pay a reasonably higher barfine to the bar in order to take her out (1,000 or 1,500 vs the usual 700 baht), it is not UNexpected by her that you would naturally be inclined to ask for a higher level of service in exchange for it, more than the usual or standard service shall we say. She might still say no. I don't mean she will definitely say yes or that the bar is pressuring her to say yes or anything of the kind. But she at least will hear without recoiling in fake horror that your willingness to pay an 800 baht surcharge for her time and services ought naturally to be balanced by her willingness to deliver more for it. It isn't in writing. It doesn't appear on a menu. It won't be spelled out by a mamasan and there are no Coyotes standing outside the bar holding a sign telling customers that is the deal with the "Special" girls in this or that bar. But it is somewhat institutionalized by the understanding among most concerned that they are asking customers to pay that 800 baht surcharge over the usual barfine rate for certain ladies to deliver something tangibly and objectively more and not just for exhibiting a more pleasant demeanor while delivering the usual, standard level of service.

[Geano]

Hi all,

If traveling to Thailand and doing some mongering do you carry you passport at all times? Or locking in hotel safe?, and if visiting a massage place or soapy do the have lockers for your clothing and stuff?

Thanks,

Geano.

[Pony Boy]

Hi folks,

Just a quick update (or a question).

Is it now a standard or I was just super lucky that the girls in soapy or oil massage places provide second release without asking for extra money? I've been in Bangkok for the past a few days, I've visited 3 soapy venues and 1 massage parlor, all the girls asked me if I want a second shot without me even asking for it (one even asked a third time)! I have to admit that I'm a fast shooter (that also means that I am definitely not on the side which making the girls super satisfied), when I finish, there is usually plenty of time left (if consider 1.5 hour as standard). Even though, during my several visits to Bangkok in the past a few years, I only experienced once that the girl gave me second try, which is under the situation that the previous girl refused to serve me and the manager tried to calm me down and sent me "the best service" girl.

I can only imagine that if it is not the standard, it is probably because recently the number of customers has been declined significantly. Two girls out of the four told me that I was her first customer today, but I visited them at 9 pm and 11 pm! (And believe me or not, they are not bad looking at all.).

No matter what, it is a good news for all of us!! Please tell me if you have any information or updates.

And Merry Christmas!