Bangkok Reports

[EihTooms]

That's pretty much my price guideline also ET but some of our esteemed fellow co members feel this is way too much. They feel the girls, (hookers, WG) who take care of our needs are such worthless lazy illiterates that even the minimum wage of 300 baht a day is too much for their time. I also understand your consideration that service levels and delivery of what has been agreed should be a factor in what is paid. While we may not see eye to eye ET in what you need from the girls as best practice I agree with how you handle these situations. As always stay safe.

I guess what is happening in my circle now is pretty much an example of "what the market bill bear" and, in a related way, "building better customer relations to survive during difficult times." Although I suspect you might strongly disagree with that latter way of putting it, Franciscass. And I understand your feelings about it. But this is what is happening right now, try as I might to overcome my baser instincts on the matter:

I have gotten dozens of out of the blue Line messages from previous P4P and non P4P contacts lately. Seriously, I have more pussy and mouths being thrown at me now than at any time over the past several years. And several new ones as well, regular girls off the dating sites whose mall shops and restaurants have been shuttered. Girls who have never freelanced or step foot on lower Sukhumvit from Soi 4 to Soi Cowboy.

Well, it turns out I can help 4-5 different girls per week earn enough money for them to cover their rent, electric, phone, public transportation and food in a month.

Guess which girls get the highest priority for this great good luck of an ongoing monthly survival income during these difficult times. Yep. The ones who kept their pussy shaved and delivered BBFS+CIP and BBBJ+CIM+Swallow to me. And it's the same requirement with any new ladies who wants a spot in the dugout and a chance at bat now or down the road.

The ones who gave me shit about any of that? Sorry, I've got no time for them. And no money for them. I suppose they can go to the airport and wait for the next incoming flight full of compliant potential customers who don't care about those kinds of things to arrive. It has turned out at least for now that decision on their part in the past has come back to bite them hard. According to their reaction to my declining the offer to see them now, that is.

Yes, I understand many will think this is a tough, unsympathetic approach to deciding which ones I will help with my time and my (also not exactly thriving all that great) money these days. But I really can't think of a way for me to contribute to the general economic welfare in this regard that will keep me contributing for a very long and with a proper attitude about it.

[Chacal60]

Got kicked off the beach while eating my take away last night!

https://thet haiger.com/coronavirus/...thai-in-phuket

Wow, that's more than inconvenient. I will write to her and ask again. The new domestic travel restrictions might prevent me from going anyway.

[Allover]

Got kicked off the beach while eating my take away last night!

https://thet haiger.com/coronavirus/...thai-in-phuket

Rio, the link doesn't work.

[RioHeart]

A cute young friend I met on TF a few years ago told me her rather high end hotel is open, as are the beaches. But she's not a P4 P gal, amd considers me just a client for the hotel not for her. Perhaps if she hadn't met my wife already.

I'm reluctant to even fly domestically now because of the chance that the state of emergency shuts down flights.

Got kicked off the beach while eating my take away last night!

https://thet haiger.com/coronavirus/...thai-in-phuket

[Chacal60]

A cute young friend I met on TF a few years ago told me her rather high end hotel is open, as are the beaches. But she's not a P4 P gal, amd considers me just a client for the hotel not for her. Perhaps if she hadn't met my wife already.

I'm reluctant to even fly domestically now because of the chance that the state of emergency shuts down flights.

Over 1000 massage shops in Patong, 5 to 10 girls per shop, gone over night. Everything closed. You can find an FL and a sex massage if you look and ask. They take you to their room or yours.

Stay home don't come to Phuket.

RL.

[Steve 9696]

A bit off subject but still cool. I lived in BK during the Vietnam War. Lowly airman but did have cheap apartment that I shared with a buddy. There was a coffee shop (not very far from the Ewarwan Hotel (probably spelled wrong) where the TV personalities and models and upper class went after normal work hours. We didn't go there but very seldom, too expensive, but the scenery was fantastic! One night with a buddy, he saw this 10+++ girl and started talking to her. He was trying to take her home but she was joking with him and told him that he couldn't afford her! And he sure didn't have a months salary to give her. Finally he told her that he would give her everything he had and proceeded to empty his wallet and empty his pockets and put it all on the table in front of her. It wasn't anywhere close to want she was asking, but she grabbed his hand and led the poor guy away. He had stars in his eyes for days!

Anyway, if you have enough game you might get some real bargains and some great surprises!

I don't know about others, but with all the doom and gloom and lack of anything happening IRL, I personally welcome old war stories about girls of the past or recent conquests. Beats the fuck out of silence and corona virus updates! 😋.

[MrClen]

I never monger the Thermae anymore. I know I am not going to get anything below 2000 there. The girls have been over priced there for 15 yrs at least. I offer the price of the shop I am shopping in. My 1000 offer goes to the Nana sign and the odd Soi side of suk street girls and I get at least a 75% turn down rate. BUT its ok I am not bothered by a rejection. Eventually I find a doable girl that will take the offer. I only offer to girls that fit my looks preference also. I see some oldies and uglies out there that I am sure would take my 1000 offer, BUT I don't stop for them. When you are talking Force I am saying I personally am not forcing a girl to take my offer. IF she is forced by another (her Pimp) to take only a set amount that's not on me. She simply turns me down and I move on pretty easy.

A bit off subject but still cool. I lived in BK during the Vietnam War. Lowly airman but did have cheap apartment that I shared with a buddy. There was a coffee shop (not very far from the Ewarwan Hotel (probably spelled wrong) where the TV personalities and models and upper class went after normal work hours. We didn't go there but very seldom, too expensive, but the scenery was fantastic! One night with a buddy, he saw this 10+++ girl and started talking to her. He was trying to take her home but she was joking with him and told him that he couldn't afford her! And he sure didn't have a months salary to give her. Finally he told her that he would give her everything he had and proceeded to empty his wallet and empty his pockets and put it all on the table in front of her. It wasn't anywhere close to want she was asking, but she grabbed his hand and led the poor guy away. He had stars in his eyes for days!

Anyway, if you have enough game you might get some real bargains and some great surprises!

[Robert Long]

1) Girls are leaving town in their thousands.

2) Soi 7/1 best place to find some action and a beer.

3) Most dangerous place on the planet is an immigration office.

Over 1000 massage shops in Patong, 5 to 10 girls per shop, gone over night. Everything closed. You can find an FL and a sex massage if you look and ask. They take you to their room or yours.

Stay home don't come to Phuket.

RL.

[Mr Enternational]

Please don't use the ridiculous argument about minimum wage.

Why else do so many attractive girls around the world suck dick? Most will tell you "EAZY money" they are lazy and it is easy, I won't dare call it work.

Many guys choose to ignore that truth. Talking to a chick I know here in Pattaya yesterday. She said she was tired of doing freelance. I suggested she do something else then. She said like what. I said any other normal job that people do.

She said no that is okay. I like doing this. She didn't say anything about how poor she was, anything about any circumstances she was in, anything about other jobs don't pay enough. She basically said I am not going to stop doing this easy ass shit.

I knew one chick working at the gogo and she told me she was doing it for the fast money. She said she already bought land back home and she was saving up to put a house on the land. She said as soon as she got that money she was going to move back home and start a business and chill. She finally did it and has not been back to Pattaya. I have met several chicks that have done the exact same thing. Again, nothing about circumstances.

Being here over the years I have seen chicks go from normal jobs to being hookers, and from hookers to doing normal jobs, and doing both at the same time. But I never see the girls making the excuses for themselves that some mongers make for them.

[EihTooms]

I just got a panicky Line message from a regular GF about this. So I did a Google Search and this came up:

Thailand to impose curfew, declare state of emergency after cabinet meeting; government sources say.
March 24, 2020
https://www.thaienquirer.com/9957/th...binet-meeting/

For whatever reason, every link I found for it was glitchy and unstable. TIT

[Franciscass]

I agree with most of what you write here, although I would not characterize promoting the alternative approach as childish. Maybe as too soft a touch for girls who think they have us by the balls and might be right. LOL. Literally.

Good looking women willing to trade sex for support have always and will always find a way, with or without my help. And whatever they do for that kind of money, you can bet they see it as a lot easier than what their unattractive sisters do for a living.

Unless we're talking about approaching grisly, destitute street beggars for 500 baht Long Times. My greater concern then would be one might take me up on it.

But I am definitely not inclined to pay FLs more (or less) based on the ambience of the venue I happened to meet them in. I prefer to pay them based on the level and quality of service they gave me. For me, a True GFE/Real Sex with an above average looking Thai girl whether I meet her in Insanity, Thermae or the dark downside of Soi 4 is worth around 2,000 - 2,500. I would feel I got a pretty good deal with such a girl for 1,500 baht and that I'd overpaid for 3,000 baht, both of which have happened off and on, of course.

What I pay, if anything, when things go badly whether because I'd been obviously scammed or it falls in that grey area where it could simply have been her ineptitude has to be determined on a case by case basis. I'd put a girl out with no more than 200 baht taxi fare who got naked in my room then started changing the agreement to something unacceptable to me in an obvious scam attempt even if she was the hottest, most popular FL in Mixx or whatever.

That's pretty much my price guideline also ET but some of our esteemed fellow co members feel this is way too much. They feel the girls, (hookers, WG) who take care of our needs are such worthless lazy illiterates that even the minimum wage of 300 baht a day is too much for their time. I also understand your consideration that service levels and delivery of what has been agreed should be a factor in what is paid. While we may not see eye to eye ET in what you need from the girls as best practice I agree with how you handle these situations. As always stay safe.

[EihTooms]

Please don't use the ridiculous argument about minimum wage.

You can't take the most reasonable reference point reasonable people could use and dismiss it as ridiculous.

I will posit that hooking is a much easier "job" than say standing on ones feet as a mall clerk or fast food or being a maid cleaning shitty toilets all day, changing jizz soaked sheets etc.

Why else do so many attractive girls around the world suck dick? Most will tell you "EAZY money" they are lazy and it is easy, I won't dare call it work.

I think hookers should make much less than other low skill occupations, not more.

There are many countries where illiterate girls are making more than many physicians or dds or attorneys.

I agree with most of what you write here, although I would not characterize promoting the alternative approach as childish. Maybe as too soft a touch for girls who think they have us by the balls and might be right. LOL. Literally.

Good looking women willing to trade sex for support have always and will always find a way, with or without my help. And whatever they do for that kind of money, you can bet they see it as a lot easier than what their unattractive sisters do for a living.

Unless we're talking about approaching grisly, destitute street beggars for 500 baht Long Times. My greater concern then would be one might take me up on it.

But I am definitely not inclined to pay FLs more (or less) based on the ambience of the venue I happened to meet them in. I prefer to pay them based on the level and quality of service they gave me. For me, a True GFE/Real Sex with an above average looking Thai girl whether I meet her in Insanity, Thermae or the dark downside of Soi 4 is worth around 2,000 - 2,500. I would feel I got a pretty good deal with such a girl for 1,500 baht and that I'd overpaid for 3,000 baht, both of which have happened off and on, of course.

What I pay, if anything, when things go badly whether because I'd been obviously scammed or it falls in that grey area where it could simply have been her ineptitude has to be determined on a case by case basis. I'd put a girl out with no more than 200 baht taxi fare who got naked in my room then started changing the agreement to something unacceptable to me in an obvious scam attempt even if she was the hottest, most popular FL in Mixx or whatever.

[Pinaypounder]

I have had good low priced performances, and bad low priced performances. I have also had good High priced performances and I have had some very bad High price performances. Performance is not a price thing Its a individual girl thing. Besides If I am unfortunate to have picked a Bad Performance girl from the street, Gogo bar, massage parlor, or a escort agent. I am a bit less upset about it if I didn't pay to much.

Truer words have rarely been spoken always easier to tip UP than fight down for a shit show!

PP.

[Franciscass]

1) Girls are leaving town in their thousands.

2) Soi 7/1 best place to find some action and a beer.

3) Most dangerous place on the planet is an immigration office.

[CzarNicholas]

You may be on a tight budget but with respect, doesn't it just bother you a little bit that you take advantage of their circumstances. Using that value system some unfortunate wench who hasn't eaten for 3 days should be happy to blow you for a bowl of noodles. I agree what's appropriate varies on circumstances and who and where you venture but why not pay the going rate and not make the girl feel like sad she has to fuck for so little because she needs the money so badly. And please and I am not suggesting you do but please don't use the ridiculous argument about minimum wage I. E. Because she is a poor farm girl from Essan she should be happy to fuck for 8 hours 4 hours whatever for 500 baht because its 200 baht above the minimum wage.

Please don't use the ridiculous argument about minimum wage.

You can't take the most reasonable reference point reasonable people could use and dismiss it as ridiculous.

I will posit that hooking is a much easier "job" than say standing on ones feet as a mall clerk or fast food or being a maid cleaning shitty toilets all day, changing jizz soaked sheets etc.

Why else do so many attractive girls around the world suck dick? Most will tell you "EAZY money" they are lazy and it is easy, I won't dare call it work.

I think hookers should make much less than other low skill occupations, not more.

There are many countries where illiterate girls are making more than many physicians or dds or attorneys.