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06-30-20 05:25 #48146
Posts: 666Originally Posted by Kazeu [View Original Post]
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06-30-20 02:30 #48145
Posts: 68Originally Posted by MichaelSamuel [View Original Post]
It's like a greek play at this point, despite all of us isolating ourselves in our countries, provences / states, and homes we are still reliant and interconnected throughout so much that unless you want to stay in that hole we are all going to subject to the decisions made by those far away from where we reside. Reminds me of the scene in Armageddon when Billie Bob says there is a place on earth where you can hide from it.
These are educated people with full access to information. Causes and consequences.
As you put it, we are all subject to the fallout from their actions.
Bill Gates recently opined that until a vaccine is developed and administered to at least 70% of the population of the planet, travel and tourism is unlikely to return to anywhere resembling pre-pandemic levels. And he believes, as does Fauci, that the US is still in the midst of the first wave. The election of 2016 is turning out to be far more costly for the entire world than imagined.
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06-30-20 02:02 #48144
Posts: 68Originally Posted by Allover [View Original Post]
To be sure some Thai deaths were misidentified as see-19 (or not) especially early on as Thailand learned about the disease. But that happened in every country.
Post pandemic, the pressure to misclassify intentionally escalated in a variety of countries. China was flagrant about this. But the UK, Iran, Egypt Florida in the US, India, much of Africa have been reported as engaged in this. I am sure statistical comparisions will, in the future, uncover a lot of this malarkey.
I only wish the USA had things under control like Thailand. I happen to live in Los Angeles county where the virus is running wild. I heard we were #1 (worst) in the USA recently.
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06-30-20 01:04 #48143
Posts: 280I concur with that assessment. It's possible to hide a lot but as the writer of TV show The Wire (David Simon) said, "you can't hide a body". His reference was to police statistics that changed violent crimes to lesser offenses to make the crime look better, and I fully expect the same to happen worldwide with corona. However in the end in societies with open internet, I. E. Not China, if the hospitals, morgues, and slums were full of bodies it would be on facebook, twitter, and a dozen other places and that just never happened. In the end the only worldwide reliable statistic is going to be a comparison of death rates over the previous periods and even that will be shaded by some countries. I still think given Thailand's international travel exposure it's a miracle they haven't seen the outbreak everyone expected. Unfortunately unless they wait out the year or more it's going to take to get a vaccine it's going to make it's way back and they will be stuck with the same dilemma of closing down again. The inability of the UK, US, South America and others to get it under control at all means it's going to continue to incubate and spread. Some places may be able to operate with an effective 14 day quarantine system, but it's still to early to tell on that and in reality if that is in place is there enough demand for air travel that any airline is flying across borders?
It's like a greek play at this point, despite all of us isolating ourselves in our countries, provences / states, and homes we are still reliant and interconnected throughout so much that unless you want to stay in that hole we are all going to subject to the decisions made by those far away from where we reside. Reminds me of the scene in Armageddon when Billie Bob says there is a place on earth where you can hide from it.
Originally Posted by GettingFedUp [View Original Post]
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06-29-20 18:37 #48142
Posts: 1232Originally Posted by RacShack [View Original Post]
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06-29-20 18:28 #48141
Posts: 516Huh?
Regarding the situation in the USA. I truly believe we have some of the smartest people in world. As well as most of the stupidest. How hard is it to wear a mask?
Originally Posted by Allover [View Original Post]
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06-29-20 17:35 #48140
Posts: 991Accurate C19 Numbers
Originally Posted by Smoothy [View Original Post]
I only wish the USA had things under control like Thailand. I happen to live in Los Angeles county where the virus is running wild. I heard we were #1 (worst) in the USA recently.
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06-29-20 17:14 #48139
Posts: 798All countries massage their numbers
Originally Posted by RunMann [View Original Post]
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06-29-20 10:23 #48138
Posts: 178Originally Posted by Smoothy [View Original Post]
No one is saying they have identified every case during the last 6 months or that there are definitely no undetected cases left in Thailand. However, from my experience being here and looking into the available data with a critical eye I certainly believe they provide a realistic indication of the true picture. I had a lot of scepticism back in March but the harder I looked the less likely significant rigging of the numbers seemed likely.
There are lots of conspiracy theorists who denounce the information as being manipulated to allow the Government to use the situation to justify the rule by emergency decree. They conveniently overlook that if the Government were manipulating data for this purpose they would be announcing higher numbers to justify the ongoing emergency decree.
If the information was going to be manipulated, then surely the cluster from Lumpini Boxing Stadium, which is the largest to date, would have been hushed up? Given the Boxing Stadium is owned by the Army and the event went ahead even though all such places had been ordered shut this was where a cover up would have happened if anywhere.
I have not seen a single whistle blower on any of the platforms shouting "my hospital is overwhelmed", "the mortuaries are overflowing" or "the Government covered up my husband's death". There was one gentleman on here who questioned that a friend of his had passed away and not been reported, but a look at the available data identified a probable match which he subsequently verified.
There was a piece on National Geographic a few days ago https://www.nationalgeographic.com/h...ning-foothold/ from a Thai photo journalist. "Expecting the worst, I began photographing Bangkok in the early days of the pandemic. I was especially afraid of a runaway outbreak in the city's slums and that our healthcare facilities would be overrun. It didn't turn out that way. The work has been frustrating at times, not because there've been so many cases but because there've been so few. Much to my relief, I am gradually running out of things to shoot. " Now the nay sayers cry that he couldn't write bad news because it would be against the decree, but had he had bad news to tell then it would have appeared without his byline and probably been syndicated to far more outlets and for far more money than National Geographic paid. I almost get a sense of the guy's disappointment at not getting the scoop of the year.
One recurring theme from a lot of the stuff I've seen about "how it was done" is the network of 1 million health volunteers, which allowed both contact tracing and preliminary screening in "at risk" areas (so temperature check and any symptoms) to be rolled out quickly to the rural masses. Simply put you cannot swab test nearly 70 million people, and you cannot test even 5% of them given the resources available and their geographic dispersal.
Finally, I usually avoid commenting on politics in general and Thai politics in particular, and I am certainly not going to enter into a discussion about the state of Thai democracy (or lack thereof depending on viewpoint), the use of emergency decree to govern in the situation or any of that kerfuffle. But I would pose the question "Has not having to worry about approval ratings or re-election freed the politicians to chose the right decision rather than the popular decision?" I am not picking on any country or political party, but some of the restrictions here have been hugely unpopular with Thais but, fingers crossed, thus far effective.
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06-29-20 01:43 #48137
Posts: 1762Originally Posted by PlushTiger [View Original Post]
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06-29-20 00:00 #48136
Posts: 3497Originally Posted by PlushTiger [View Original Post]
Those numbers sound reasonable to you?
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06-28-20 16:56 #48135
Posts: 411I hear short time rooms are going to be mandated to install see thru windows. Police need to make sure masks are being worn during intimate relations.
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06-28-20 16:08 #48134
Posts: 798Here are the exact covid number
Originally Posted by RunMann [View Original Post]
With 3,162 cases and 58 deaths Thailand has been spared by the pandemic. Even if these are self reported numbers, there's a minimum of cross checking and they seem reliable.
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06-28-20 15:32 #48133
Posts: 1762Originally Posted by RobertLong [View Original Post]
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06-28-20 14:51 #48132
Posts: 641Originally Posted by DannyDuck [View Original Post]
Chock dee kop my friend.
RL.