Bangkok Reports

[Jsxyz]

Having been involved a lot more frequently on this board with posting reports etc, I can't help but notice how many guys discuss BBFS with girls as a prerequisite. Now I'm not here to judge anyone, that's not the point of this post. But I would like some enlightenment regarding how precautions are taken, how often are check ups done, the costs of these check ups, if anyone has honestly contracted any infections.

The reason I ask is, from my recent trip experience (Bkk but especially in Pattaya) I noticed that many girls had yeast infections or possibly an STD that caused the foul odor in their vag. So what do the guys who BBFS do if the girl has a funky smell downstairs?

I recall an ex GF who I use to BBFS with, had a case of thrush which caused a foul odor. She had a check up with gynae who prescribed the required antibiotics, ointments etc. After treatment was over and everything returned to normal, we continued to engage in BBFS, but she got it again. The doc then advised that I probably picked up the infection from her initially and after intercourse when her treatment was complete, she got it again. I had to go on treatment for a couple weeks to ensure that shit was cured. Ever since, I always monger with a cock sock.

When I was in Pattaya, 1 of the hot freelance girls that visited my hotel had forgotten the condom. She asked if I had 1 and just to test the waters, I said no. On her own accord she said it's okay, we can fuck, but don't CIP. She was obviously familiar with that request and showed no concern about a condom. I did end up throwing 1 on and fucked her solid, but again she had a nasty fishy smell that worsened the deeper I penetrated her.

Now I'm not sure if these foul smells are STD or UTI related, but I do know that a single test can't be carried out for all types of infections. Usually a specific STD test is required to test for the related symptoms.

Inputs from you guys will be appreciated.

I think you're quite mistaken assuming all the stinky pussies are from infections; maybe some are, but some girls just have stronger vag smells than others. Also where she's at in her cycle plays a huge role, if my S. O. Is any indication. Also with pick-ups in P4 P, chances are probably better than 50-50 you're not her first fuck of the evening, and maybe she just didn't clean up that well in between. I've personally had the experience of picking up a lovely lady, getting her back to the hotel, noticing a bit of funk, showering with her and hosing it down myself, and then bingo. It's fresh as a daisy, super sweet, and ready to eat!

[Syzygies]

Being on the far more problematic extreme of the industry in that way, frankly I am surprised to hear anyone having a problem getting "acceptable" ordinary basic Thai P4P fare of that nature. I mean, it seems to me practically all hurdles are eliminated, the punter is asking virtually nothing of the girl, no meaningful intimacy or personal effort is required of her, I might be reluctant to consider it "having sex" at all. And I would not be the least bit surprised if the girls felt the same way. It just seems like the only challenge for the punter is zeroing in on the best looking girls on view and negotiating the lowest price they will accept. .

I might be problematic in a different way to yourself. No I cannot expect a great repeat girl, even for just standard sex requirements, yet I am sure it was not so difficult to get great girls nearly all the time, 20+ years ago. So why did girls get so much less fun at sex than they used to be? (fortunately not all). We have to hunt where our success rates are better of course. We don't have the time to waste on shit sessions. Have to assume many girls like Japanese or young guys. I am not fat and still have hair, maybe face got a bit craggy with age.

My requirements:

1. I need girls that want to fuck farangs, and are reasonably enthusiastic about it, not too restrictive, not going for a quickie, and doing their best for the customer to have a good time. Not girls whose legs seize up stiffly with farang sized cock, a bit longer than average. I can make do with super hot girls that are very co-operative, if not orgasmic and wanting to get it off as well. Most of my repeat girls like DATY a lot. Most can orgasm if in the mood.

2. I need girls that look pretty and want hot slim bodies preferably all natural, not too saggy, no railway tracks, not girls well below the standard of my GF and regular girls I do. Can be mothers no problem (if tits, ass and belly still good), can be older in good shape. Repeating known girls is a lot easier. Success rate is nearly guaranteed.

3. Value for money, not just cheap. No repeat girls basically means the money was wasted. I will pay a significant premium for super looks if it is a fun time as well. BB is not mandatory for me but like it with special girls.

I am not finding that many MP girls to add to my regulars. Some may have great performance, but usually the looks are sub standard. Most MP girls that I really like, don't last that long. Maybe the requirements of MP work is largely for mechanical sex. Last 4 or 5 MP girls I put on the repeat list, all left the shop, for one reason or another. I can still contact 2 of them so that is good.

Soi 4 is a possible hunting ground for me, but success rate for my requirements is not that good so far. I would pay more than going rate if I can get a good regular from there with good looks too. I expect more than the average service from girls there, not a 30 min quickie.

I even like black girls sometimes. Saw one incredible hottie in a pub in the last year or so. Unfortunately the general standard of the Africans is quite low here. So have not done any for a long time. Did not see any high standard Kazak / Uzbek girls really either (maybe was not looking for them).

[Siamsin]

Having been involved a lot more frequently on this board with posting reports etc, I can't help but notice how many guys discuss BBFS with girls as a prerequisite. Now I'm not here to judge anyone, that's not the point of this post. But I would like some enlightenment regarding how precautions are taken, how often are check ups done, the costs of these check ups, if anyone has honestly contracted any infections.

The reason I ask is, from my recent trip experience (Bkk but especially in Pattaya) I noticed that many girls had yeast infections or possibly an STD that caused the foul odor in their vag. So what do the guys who BBFS do if the girl has a funky smell downstairs?

I recall an ex GF who I use to BBFS with, had a case of thrush which caused a foul odor. She had a check up with gynae who prescribed the required antibiotics, ointments etc. After treatment was over and everything returned to normal, we continued to engage in BBFS, but she got it again. The doc then advised that I probably picked up the infection from her initially and after intercourse when her treatment was complete, she got it again. I had to go on treatment for a couple weeks to ensure that shit was cured. Ever since, I always monger with a cock sock.

When I was in Pattaya, 1 of the hot freelance girls that visited my hotel had forgotten the condom. She asked if I had 1 and just to test the waters, I said no. On her own accord she said it's okay, we can fuck, but don't CIP. She was obviously familiar with that request and showed no concern about a condom. I did end up throwing 1 on and fucked her solid, but again she had a nasty fishy smell that worsened the deeper I penetrated her.

Now I'm not sure if these foul smells are STD or UTI related, but I do know that a single test can't be carried out for all types of infections. Usually a specific STD test is required to test for the related symptoms.

Inputs from you guys will be appreciated.

[Siamsin]

Day 11.

With just a few more days left before my departure, I made it a priority to ascertain whether Kapoo clubs, as I had imagined it, were merely a waste of time or was there still a possibility that a pleasure palace oasis existed. I had ticked off 3 such establishments, and found 2 more in close proximity in the familiar Silom area, so off I went. Got to Zeed spa which was in a less than satisfactory maintained plaza, and went up stairs to have a look. Talent was so so, with only 4 young ladies aged 19-24 present. The mamasan looked Chinese, late 30's, slim, tall, nice smile and very helpful. After checking out the line up twice and finding out the cost of services, I wasn't very interested. But thought I'd make the mamasan's day by enquiring if she was available. She was shocked at first, then dropped her head shyly with a cute smile. I could hear the girls in the room giggling away, making the mamasan feel even more embarrassed. She said, sorry, she cannot. I just smiled, and said okay, maybe next time, as she laughed and let me out.

A short walk away was my final destination in the search for the elusive Kapoo club. Having been let down so many times, I wasn't very confident as I reached a neat and well maintained house, tucked away in the middle of busy Bangkok Silom district. As I entered, I noticed a couple of Japanese gents floating around in expectancy. Soon enough, they were escorted away into their rooms. The mamasan enquired if I had a booking, and I explained that I didn't, so she said it's fine, I can take a seat. The place was smart, and nicely decorated with comfortable couches. As I had a seat awaiting the lineup, another smartly dressed Jap chap walked in and took a seat next to me. The mamasan told us that there's only 2 girls available, but I had first preference. The girls made an entry, and I was instantly taken aback. The 1 chick was really beautiful, slim, tall, long black hair with a sexy figure. The other was taller, okay looking, and decent figure. As I was about to choose the prettier girl, a short cute girl wearing a tiny mini skirt and high heels walked downstairs to chat with the mamasan, she had such an amazing vibe about her, laughing, giggling and oh so jovial. She kept looking and smiling at me. At that point, my mind was made up, she was the 1. Told the Jap chap that he can choose first, and he obviously selected the prettier girl in the lineup. With a thumbs up from him as he was escorted away, I enquired with the mamasan about the availability of the short cute girl named Bonus. She said she'll be done in an hours time, so I booked her for 4:30 pm and headed out to grab a meal and a coffee across the road.

Upon my return, I was advised by the mamasan that there's 2 options, 2200 bht for a topless massage and 2700 for shower and fully nude massage. I asked if FS was available, and she smirked stating I can discuss it with the girl. So I opted for the 2700 package and soon enough, Bonus arrived to escort me upstairs. She was really friendly, spoke decent enough English, and maintained a smile that was contagious. The room was spotless and extremely well kept, similar to a 4 star hotel level with a small shower cubicle at the one side. So far, so good was my thoughts, I just hoped she wasn't going to disappoint service wise. We undressed and got into the shower. She had a stunning enhanced rack on her, perfectly complimenting her slim, milk white body. She lathered me up with soap, and began a b2 be rub down, moving up and down my front and back, allowing any fondling I desired. I was impressed. Onto the bed and she began a very sensual oil massage. We chatted all the while and she revealed that she's a law student at university but working at the spa part time. She was also an 'Angel' at the spa. There were 5 'Angels' and the rest 'Models'. I enquired about sex and she said 'Angels' charge 2000 bht for 1 shot, 500 bht extra for BJ and I think 300 HJ. I asked if it was a BBBJ and she said no. So I agreed to pay 2000 thb.

She began with an arousal technique that was extremely pleasurable, ear lobe licking, neck kissing, nipple licking, belly kisses, DFK, all the while gently rubbing and stroking my cock with minimal pressure. I was hard as a rock, this 21 year old had experience and expertise beyond her years. I had been to a number of soapy's, MP's, BJ bars etc, and none of those compared to this Angel's ability to turn me on, she was that good. Before long, I flipped her over onto her back, and began my foreplay technique, leading down for DATY. She had smeared some strawberry flavoured edible lube around her pussy, which added to a most delicious pussy licking experience. I had her arching her back and thrusting her pelvis into my face in no time, sweet moans of ecstasy filled the room. Just before she came, she sat up and clawed her fingers into my back running all the way across my head as she landed flat on her back with a euphoric gaze in her eyes. This Angel had finally fallen. She must've felt the need to return the favour as she asked me to lay down, and she blew the condom onto my cock, and continued to blow me for a good few minutes. When she was done, she just said, it's okay, no charge and smiled as she began to mount me and begin a pleasurable riding session. A mere 20 minutes went by after exploring a few positions, and for some reason I lost control and popped in doggy. I was embarrassed as it wasn't my usual level of endurance, perhaps the whole Kapoo club fantasy becoming a reality had gotten to me. I just said to her, "I don't think I finished", as she looked down at the sagging sock of semen she asked "are you sure"? And we both just laughed. She removed the condom, and I had a quick dick rinse off. There was still 15 minutes on the clock, and she handed me another condom saying"you can"? Of fucking course I can! Jumped back on the bed, and she said it's okay, I'm her last customer for the day as she proceeded to tickle and caress my cock to his former glory. Soon enough, condom was on and I was pounding away like a man on a mission. I fucked her straight for another 25 minutes and finally blew mish inside her.

It was a fucking amazing experience, with a fucking amazing girl. Bonus is a pleasure pleasing professional. I paid her 2 k and 300 tip. Got her Line, but she doesn't meet outside work apparently. IMHO, If you guys want the best Kapoo Club experience, I can only recommended Homme Relax. They had stunning girls, wonderful location (near the bts), fantastic establishment and apparently been running for 10 years. I only saw 3 girls (the rest were busy), but they have many, and constantly have new girls every month which they keep you updated with on Line. If anyone is keen, send me a PM and I'll give you their Line, or just search them on google. It's costly at 4700 Bht for 90 minutes and no BBBJ (you could pay 2200, and discuss sex with the girl, bringing your bill to 4400), so it's not for everyone. But if you want young, educated, gorgeous girls who are very professional at their practice, this is a must. Certainly no tattooed, pierced up girls with baby scarring here. This spot is class and that's the reason that the business type Jap chaps were there. I did get a couple pics during the line up, so you can find them attached.

With a great afternoon completed, I couldn't wait to meet my Holly's coffee girl that night. Having pulled the trigger twice earlier, I knew she'd be in for a long lasting love making experience, if she would finally succumb. Met her at Thong Lor BTS, and headed to Octave rooftop bar at the Marriot hotel which was a short stroll away. She looked absolutely stunning in a thigh high black miniskirt with matching black heels which accentuated her smooth, shapely honey-skin legs with every stride. I lost count of the number of guys that turned and strained their necks to catch a glimpse as we walked down Sukhumvit road holding hands. She was sexy, without appearing slutty, I was smiling, without appearing too smug. Got to the rooftop bar and ordered some drinks. Music was cool with some deep house beats jamming, and the place had a nice vibe without being too crowded. Again, she got a lot of stares from the mostly foreign guys that were there. I just lapped it up and played my part by rubbing her ass and thighs while receiving pecks on the cheek as we took in the incredible Bangkok city view from 48 floors high in the sky. It was a surreal moment for me, everything paused for a while, nothing else mattered, just her and I and the polluted Bangkok sky. As she put her arm around my waist and pointed at the passing planes, I felt a real connection with this girl. The chemistry was amazing, her words and emotions were real, the look in her eyes were pure and undefiled. This was all new to me. I had grown accustomed to the superficial 2 hour pay and play affairs, the love you short time routine, the few thousand baht and depart goodbye's. Was she my solace in a city filled with sex and sins? It was obvious, she was falling for me, catching feelings, or was the opposite true. As I pondered these thoughts, she grabbed the railings and leaned forward. I took a step back and gazed in admiration at her perfectly shaped legs, well rounded ass and sexy hips. At that point I snapped out of my delusional dilemma, what the fuck was I thinking, I was going to tap that ass hard. With that in mind, I hurriedly finished up my drink and urged her to do so too. Got the bill and headed to the exit. Back on Sukhumvit road, she enquired "where to now", and I replied, "my apartment". She just bit her lip and said okay.

Back at my pad we chilled for a while with lot's of kissing and caressing on the couch. She felt a bit sticky, so asked if she could shower. I got her a towel and allowed her to go ahead. I knew this routine all too well, so I undressed completely, neatened the bed and lay down in anticipation. Soon enough, the bathroom door opened and she walked out. The smile on her face capitulated in mere seconds and transformed into that of shock and surprise. Talk about awkward, there I was, butt naked on the bed, willy waving in excitement and she was fully dressed in her original clothes. She burst out laughing as I struggled to grab a towel in embarrassment. It was fucking funny. She was cool though, and eased the situation by coming over and sitting next to me. I was all over her in seconds, kissing, biting, licking and undressing her all the while. Soon we were both naked and I finally got a look at her incredible body. She was sexy personified with a perfect boob job, cute round ass and well trimmed Bush. With my boy fully erect, she became quite concerned as she had never seen a cock that big. She kept trying to convince me that a BJ is all she could offer as she was too afraid, so I let her blow me for a good while, and we changed over to 69 so I could finally taste her too. After a while I decided to give her a real DATY session and got her on her back for a 20 minute orgasmic treat. With her pussy craving more and leaking in hope, I whipped out a rubber and suited up. She struggled initially with the size, so it was a slow passionate build up into some real hard and fast fucking. We covered multiple positions, but reverted to mish as it was the most pleasurable and heartfelt position for us both. The CIP was the perfect ending with a girl I had fantasized about bedding for months. If I had fucked only her on my entire trip, I would've been satisfied. Well, if my trip was only 2 days long that is.

We showered and chilled for a while. She had work the next day, so couldn't stay the night. I had slipped 3 k into her purse earlier but asked her how much she needed for a taxi. She didn't want anything, but I gave her an extra 300. We kissed goodnight as she jumped into a taxi and headed off. I wanted to see her again before I left, but it didn't work out. She's definitely GF material and a relationship type so no action shots on this report.

[EihTooms]

Yes I was more interested in overall success rate, not specifically getting a BBFS, but getting a good experience on Soi 4. So horribly mechanical sounds like a miss to me. Success to me means would repeat it. I did not find a girl worth repeating that often on Soi 4. Thanks for the overall info. A useful post.

They day I wanted a signing girl, there were about 5 or 6 of them I think, certainly more than 2, so I think some were not the usual ones I have seen more regularly.

Yeah, I would be a bad source to determine probable success rates for more or less ordinary basic Thai P4P fare of covered vaginal intercourse and possibly BBBJ only as foreplay but no genuine CIM finish. I have simply never searched for, approached for, negotiated for nor accepted such a thing from a P4P girl of any age, weight, height, shape or level of attractiveness. It would be a total waste of my time to accept such a thing from even the most beautiful 19 year old Thai girl in Bangkok even for as little as 100 baht.

Being on the far more problematic extreme of the industry in that way, frankly I am surprised to hear anyone having a problem getting "acceptable" ordinary basic Thai P4P fare of that nature. I mean, it seems to me practically all hurdles are eliminated, the punter is asking virtually nothing of the girl, no meaningful intimacy or personal effort is required of her, I might be reluctant to consider it "having sex" at all. And I would not be the least bit surprised if the girls felt the same way. It just seems like the only challenge for the punter is zeroing in on the best looking girls on view and negotiating the lowest price they will accept. At most, maybe you have to wait an hour or two for your first or second choice to be available.

And, again from MY perspective, I can't imagine all but a very few among the top 1-2% lookers refusing to make a quick few thousand baht in that way with any punter of any age, weight, height or appearance as well. I would think getting covered everything, no finish to a BBBJ and perhaps even chucking any expectations of a BJ at all has to be the easiest thing for practically any punter to accomplish with even the best looking hookers anywhere in Thailand.

[Syzygies]

I find cumming inside a girl to be anti-climactic. I need a grand finish for full satisfaction.

Quirky what turns guys on. While I have cum on the girl's body many times, it does absolutely zero for my satisfaction levels. It is just messy muck to be cleaned up to me. Like ET, I would enjoy CIP more so. Never wanted to COF at all. It shows a need to degrade the girl.

[Syzygies]

And on the Soi 4/Nana Hotel parking lot deaf girls option you mentioned, both of the two deaf girls I have approached and requested BBFS+CIP from in the past few months agreed to it for a higher fee. One agreed for 1,500 baht vs her opening quote of 1,000 baht. Another agreed for 2,500 baht! LOL. But I did not negotiate a better price with that one because I was so tickled and pleased with how quickly she changed her written starting point of 1,500 baht to 2,500 baht practically before I finished typing out the words "no condom" on my phone. I just laughed and mimed ok let's go.

However, I am not so interested in doing a deaf girl again. They're just too deep in another world and the sex was horribly mechanical. Maybe just two bad experiences. But they were enough to satisfy my curiosity.

Yes I was more interested in overall success rate, not specifically getting a BBFS, but getting a good experience on Soi 4. So horribly mechanical sounds like a miss to me. Success to me means would repeat it. I did not find a girl worth repeating that often on Soi 4. Thanks for the overall info. A useful post.

They day I wanted a signing girl, there were about 5 or 6 of them I think, certainly more than 2, so I think some were not the usual ones I have seen more regularly.

[EihTooms]

I often prefer a girl to suck my balls and tongue my ass while I jerk off, then cum in her face, over a straight BJ. Is it only masterbation if you also have a girl sucking your balls and sticking her tongue in you ass at the same time? I think not.

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I would say yes, unless you can get off with just the ball sucking and rimming and your hand on your dick is only to keep it out of the way or something. Also, I'm guessing the girl has to stop sucking your balls and rimming your ass at the point of your orgasm in order to move into position to take the face shot you're going to give her from masturbating, right? Or you do the moving into position and thereby pull away from her mouth on your balls or anus. In which case, imo it is definitely masturbation but with some oral foreplay on adjacent areas thrown in.

See, I am a stickler for the sex act being defined by the way it ends exactly at the point of your orgasm, not by what happens before the end. Pretty much the way virtually all P4P girls define and charge for it.

Mandarin bar in Nana Square. The girls there have always provided BBFS. The other bar is Sexy Nights in Nana Square.

Yes to both. But I have not pulled from Sexy Nights in ages. And I have had considerable success in Billboard, Twister BKK, Enter, Butterflies and Exotica in Nana Plaza, Long Gun, Suzie Wong and Cactus Bar on Soi Cowboy. Although I would not go so far as to suggest ALL the girls in any of those bars you and I mentioned will agree to it with me. Not even close. Only some.

[Smoothy]

For what I term True GFE, particularly BBFS, I have had success on Soi 4, Sukhumvit, go-go bars, Thermae, on dating sites, beer bars and just meeting regular girls in restaurants and shopping malls.

Mandarin bar in Nana Square. The girls there have always provided BBFS. The other bar is Sexy Nights in Nana Square.

[Smoothy]

I have to essentially jerk myself off to and through the finish in order to shoot it wherever my chosen target is this time. No matter how you look at it and where the cum lands, that's masturbation.

I often prefer a girl to suck my balls and tongue my ass while I jerk off, then cum in her face, over a straight BJ. Is it only masterbation if you also have a girl sucking your balls and sticking her tongue in you ass at the same time? I think not.

As far as pulling out just before cumming, it takes about 2 seconds after I pull out before I cum on the girl. That's far from masterbation.

I find cumming inside a girl to be anti-climactic. I need a grand finish for full satisfaction.

[EihTooms]

In my opinion, CIP and/or CIM is a wasted effort. I like to video. If I don't cum on the girl's body or face, I don't even consider it to have been a sexual encounter. It's a turn on to see my jizz on the chick, why would I waste it in a place I can't see it?

I can't get past the fact that in order to cum on a girl's body or face, I not only have to pull out of the very warm, wet, snug, wrap-around orifice that GOT me to the point of cumming in the first place and at the worst possible moment, but now I have to essentially jerk myself off to and through the finish in order to shoot it wherever my chosen target is this time. No matter how you look at it and where the cum lands, that's masturbation. And that is aside from the fact that I don't get a thrill out of seeing my cum ON a girl. Am even bored by the images of it in porn.

LOL. Hell, I hated and resented having to masturbate when there were few other financially viable and agreeable options back in the USA. No way will I settle for that now that I have uprooted my life, divested myself of most worldly possessions and separated myself from my old friends and relatives to live out this last quarter at best of my life in Bangkok!

However, different strokes for different folks, of course. Enjoy.

[EihTooms]

Just out of curiosity, I have taken girls from street in Soi 4 and outside bars in Soi 4 so considered them better talent than beer Garden. However not great success rates with girls on the street in Soi 4 for getting a great GFE, but possible. So I wondered if you also had bad success rates on Soi 4 or better than beer garden? I did not try to get BBFS there so far, but had thought about it as an option, perhaps a risky one. I have got BB from more reliable sources who get tested for certain.

The risk is not my intended topic, but more like if get girls who give a really good time and possibly BBFS there.

My last attempt on Soi 4, the girl was skinny, quite stunning, very hot ass, and I think a deaf mute (signing), but she knocked me back and tried to push me onto her friend who was 2 or 3 points lower score for looks. Not sure why. My age maybe? Or perhaps she was not yet 18. I don't know. Could have been the bait and switch strategy. She could have communicated easy by typing Thai on her phone. When I can't get the best girl, I rarely settle on another inferior one.

For what I term True GFE, particularly BBFS, I have had success on Soi 4, Sukhumvit, go-go bars, Thermae, on dating sites, beer bars and just meeting regular girls in restaurants and shopping malls. Where I have failed miserably is in massage shops (although I can improve my success rate if I take them OUT of the shop and bring them back to my room), Beer Garden Soi 7 and almost anywhere in Pattaya. LOL.

Mind you, my style is to get a BBFS+CIP agreement from the girl upfront or, as a possible fall back, a BBBJ+CIM agreement, before paying the barfine or taking the girl. I do not "go with the flow and see what happens in the room", although I am occasionally testing a new "go with the flow" method for just one venue; Thermae. But I'll save that for a different post. And, bear in mind, I have indeed had a vasectomy and will always have a recent HIV blood test document on hand to show IF the conversation goes there. It does on occasion.

I had estimated a few years ago that my success rate in getting EITHER a BBFS+CIP or a BBBJ+CIM with a suitably attractive girl by "going with the flow and see what happens in the room" and not getting an upfront agreement was no better than a dismal 20-25%. Which means a whopping 75%+ of the time I was going to wind up with no intercourse at all since engaging and finishing an act of vaginal intercourse wearing a condom has been impossible for me except for one time when I was about 20 years old, 45 years ago. Yet, not having confirmed anything upfront, I never felt I was entitled to withhold or drastically reduce payment of the going rate. After all, if I had not gotten an upfront agreement, I had no right to expect her to provide anything more than the general standard basic fare of lick around the edges, if that, cap on and proceed. I also had no right to think she'd misled me and withhold or reduce payment for that. She hadn't misled me if I hadn't told her the only two ways she could earn any money from me this night and held out for a clear agreement from her for it.

Anyway, I would say my success rate in getting girls to whom I am attracted and with whom I feel some essential sexual chemistry in those above venues to agree upfront to a True GFE (by far, mostly BBFS+CIP) and for a cost no more than, say, 500-1000 baht more than the going rate, is about 65-70%. 1000 baht more would be rare, but has happened. Most of the time it happens for no additional cost than the going rate. That is pretty much the exact OPPOSITE of my "go with the flow and see what happens in the room" rate of success.

Here are a few things I have learned about getting a Thai P4P girl to agree upfront to BBFS+CIP with me (impossible for me to know how it is for others); Contrary to almost everything I'd heard and thought, it is EASIER to get it from younger, slimmer, better looking girls than from dumpy, older ladies. Contrary to almost everything I'd heard and thought, it is EASIER to get it from go-go dancers than from Freelancers on the street, girls in beer bars or those who work in massage shops, even the so-called PSE ones touted so highly for supposedly sex-crazed girls on these forums. Contrary to almost everything I'd heard and thought, it is EASIER to get it from better educated, more English-fluent girls than from the opposite types.

And on the Soi 4/Nana Hotel parking lot deaf girls option you mentioned, both of the two deaf girls I have approached and requested BBFS+CIP from in the past few months agreed to it for a higher fee. One agreed for 1,500 baht vs her opening quote of 1,000 baht. Another agreed for 2,500 baht! LOL. But I did not negotiate a better price with that one because I was so tickled and pleased with how quickly she changed her written starting point of 1,500 baht to 2,500 baht practically before I finished typing out the words "no condom" on my phone. I just laughed and mimed ok let's go.

However, I am not so interested in doing a deaf girl again. They're just too deep in another world and the sex was horribly mechanical. Maybe just two bad experiences. But they were enough to satisfy my curiosity.

[Turgid]

I grew up spending many parts of my summer in Hong Kong in mid 60's after I had got my cherry popped and made it a regular vacation spot.............

No f..king way!! You vacationed in World of Suzy Wong Hong Kong? The mongering there was reputed to have been the pinnacle of world 20th century mongering second possibly only to 1920's Berlin which was probably only raunchier. Ever since I was a lad in the 60's I had fantasized about being in early 60's Hong Kong, with loads of money of course.

[Catire]

Again I find humor in what you are saying. Example: "I don't like sloppy seconds, not even from myself." That is an instant classic. So rock on my friend! It's all good.

I too find it very hard to pull out of a pussy even when I promised a girl I would do so beforehand. One sweet little Pinay I knew smiled and said I was a "bad boy" when I failed to pull out of her the 1st time we were together. She apparently forgave me, however. We had several bareback sessions over the course of following week.

Thai girl are not so forgiving. I had this "accident" happen to me once, and it was honestly a complete accident.

The girl got seriously pissed at me (and I don't blame her). It took me some time to regain her trust, but we had known each other beforehand, so she could more readily accept my apologies and explanation that it was a complete accident.

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I may have been conditioned by those pornos, I admit I have watched a few over the years.

The CIM thing I consider the biggest waste. You can easily pull out and shoot all over her face.

It's a little more effort to pull out of her pussy and cum on her face or body, but not that much. The videos I have where I cum inside the girl, I just delete them because I find them boring. It's extremely sexy to see a girl coated in cum.

Another reason it's better to finish outside is if you want a 2nd round. I don't like sloppy seconds, not even from myself.

Again I find humor in what you are saying. Example: "I don't like sloppy seconds, not even from myself." That is an instant classic. So rock on my friend! It's all good.

I too find it very hard to pull out of a pussy even when I promised a girl I would do so beforehand. One sweet little Pinay I knew smiled and said I was a "bad boy" when I failed to pull out of her the 1st time we were together. She apparently forgave me, however. We had several bareback sessions over the course of following week.