Bangkok Reports

[NicFrenchy]

But are you saying not only is it not awkward to talk about no condom but much better than average looking P4 P girls all around the world are now agreeing to it quite readily upfront before you start pouring drinks down their throat?

If so, nice.

That reminds me of a high end girl I had at a Club (usually not my thing to go high end because of the starfish reputation), we clicked, I paid the fine and off we went.

She would not budge on condoms, not even a BBBJ. It was CBJ or nothing. No kissing, not much of anything. Perfect starfish.

I was already licking my wounds, swearing never to take "high nose" girls again. Until a bit of neck licking and pussy rubbing. Slow and gentle. She got so into it that everything was on the table: kissing, BBBJ, she would have jumped me bare also if I did not stop her.

I think YMMV, even a girl insisting on condoms upfront may change her mind mid-session (or for the morning round).

[EihTooms]

I agree nowadays BBFS is becoming standard all over the world, I travel everywhere and 15 years ago it was a much harder and awkward conversation to talk about no condom now, it is becoming norm.

I have not traveled outside of Thailand in about 10 years except for two weeks in Italy. For me, talking about no condom upfront with the girl IS the norm. The only awkward part is when the much better than average looking girks say No. LOL.

Sure, it has always been the case in most places around the world that if you wine and dine non pros and then get them to toss back a few more drinks in your room, bareback sex is going to happen fairly regularly.

But I much prefer to get all the converstaion about condoms, if any, way out of the way before we get to my room. And I hate sex with drunk women. So there you are.

But are you saying not only is it not awkward to talk about no condom but much better than average looking P4 P girls all around the world are now agreeing to it quite readily upfront before you start pouring drinks down their throat?

If so, nice.

[Banana Boi]

I agree nowadays BBFS is becoming standard all over the world, I travel everywhere

Ok maybe that poster was right and I do have very limited knowledge. I'll take the bait here. Other than some countries in SEA, Central America, and South America, I am not familiar with many other countries that "BBFS is becoming standard".

Your knowledge where "BBFS is becoming standard" in the following countries are helpful for me.

Germany.
Austria.
Switzerland.
Netherlands.
Sweden.
Norway.
Finland.
Iceland.
Denmark.
Czech Republic.
Poland.
Estonia.
Hungary.
Romania.
Serbia.
Croatia.
Ukraine.
USA.
Canada.
Cape Town, South Africa.
Vietnam.
South Korea.
Japan.
Taiwan.
Hong Kong.
Malaysia.
Singapore.
Australia.

Just some of the countries I have been to and I did not find "BBFS is becoming standard" or I plan to travel to soon as we can begin travel again.

[AddisDude]

Like you know, me I go Thailand and Cambodia especially for Barebacking! I hate condoms! I just try to be careful on the girl I choose.

Nowadays, I really think girls fuck everywhere bareback! They don't ask yo put condoms anymore! And when they ask, it's because they want you propose them more money to fuck them bareback! In Soi 6, Soi LK, in Gogos if you're nice, if pu pay them good you can fuck them easily bareback! Just a few ask to not come inside pussy.

I agree nowadays BBFS is becoming standard all over the world, I travel everywhere and 15 years ago it was a much harder and awkward conversation to talk about no condom now, it is becoming norm.

[NicFrenchy]

Like you know, me I go Thailand and Cambodia especially for Barebacking! I hate condoms! I just try to be careful on the girl I choose.

Nowadays, I really think girls fuck everywhere bareback! They don't ask yo put condoms anymore! And when they ask, it's because they want you propose them more money to fuck them bareback! In Soi 6, Soi LK, in Gogos if you're nice, if pu pay them good you can fuck them easily bareback! Just a few ask to not come inside pussy.

Sadly, this is true.

And your chances of "no condom" increase exponentially with repeat visits.

YMMV of course. I've been in the non P4 P scene for a long time now and I can tell you, 99.9% of the time you wine and dine the girl, she comes back with you to the room for a few drinks and will have sex any way you want it. 100% of them will not have a condom with them (why would they) and unless you pull out one, it will never be discussed. Unless there is a "smell" in your groin area, you're clean.

We've all caught something at one time or the other, it's our responsibility to protect ourselves, or not. You can go to a P4 P place with the best of intentions, but sometimes you can also get carried in the moment and forget the rubber.

Most important is Have fun, pay what you can afford, rinse repeat.

[Gilolo]

Yes, a mention of wanting "real sex" or especially "real boyfriend-girlfriend sex" in so many words is only going to trigger a likely understanding that you mean something more intimate than hooker-customer sex with a condom with English fluent girls. But I don't think they need to be hardcore 10 year veterans of P4P with farangs to get the meaning of it.

Of course, I can and will sometimes just say "I want to fuck without a condom" or "boom boom no condom" directly. Simple.

The "real sex" bit isn't at all about using a term that is commonly used by Thai people or most anyone else as a conventional alternative for "BBFS+CIP", "boom boom no condom", "mai yaak sai tung" and so on. That has nothing to do with it. That was something another poster mistakenly assumed about it.

But sometimes I have other reasons to use the "real sex" or "boyfriend-girlfriend sex" or "real boyfriend-girlfriend sex" euphemism when I know I am talking to or Line messaging with a Thai girl fluent enough in English to grasp the meaning of those words. The point is to communicate something more about what kind of session and experience I am into than the basic, literal definition of "I want to fuck bareback."

I have found that telling a girl I want "real sex" or especially "real boyfriend-girlfriend sex" with her (assuming she understands the meaning of those words in English) can often cover a lot of ground in one go about really intending to have DFK, no rush, no stopping everything to talk about or put on a condom, a more romantic mood, no mechanical routine and so on.

Like you know, me I go Thailand and Cambodia especially for Barebacking! I hate condoms! I just try to be careful on the girl I choose.

Nowadays, I really think girls fuck everywhere bareback! They don't ask yo put condoms anymore! And when they ask, it's because they want you propose them more money to fuck them bareback! In Soi 6, Soi LK, in Gogos if you're nice, if pu pay them good you can fuck them easily bareback! Just a few ask to not come inside pussy.

[EihTooms]

"I don't see why that would even be difficult to believe, IF the girl is quite fluent in English."

I've lived in Thailand a long time and mongered in BKK, Patts, Phuket, Samui, etc Done 1 k at soi 6 and had 15 k VIP girls. Nowhere have I met a girl in the game that has fluent English. I do prefer younger hot girls so I'm assuming you're targeting girls who have been in the game a long time. With better English and they earn less so are more open to negotiations. This whole talk of "Real sex" goes over the head of all of them unless maybe its a soi 11 freelancer in BKK who has fucked white guys for 10 years+.

Just say "mai yaak sai tung" = I don't want to wear a condom.

Yes, a mention of wanting "real sex" or especially "real boyfriend-girlfriend sex" in so many words is only going to trigger a likely understanding that you mean something more intimate than hooker-customer sex with a condom with English fluent girls. But I don't think they need to be hardcore 10 year veterans of P4P with farangs to get the meaning of it.

Of course, I can and will sometimes just say "I want to fuck without a condom" or "boom boom no condom" directly. Simple.

The "real sex" bit isn't at all about using a term that is commonly used by Thai people or most anyone else as a conventional alternative for "BBFS+CIP", "boom boom no condom", "mai yaak sai tung" and so on. That has nothing to do with it. That was something another poster mistakenly assumed about it.

But sometimes I have other reasons to use the "real sex" or "boyfriend-girlfriend sex" or "real boyfriend-girlfriend sex" euphemism when I know I am talking to or Line messaging with a Thai girl fluent enough in English to grasp the meaning of those words. The point is to communicate something more about what kind of session and experience I am into than the basic, literal definition of "I want to fuck bareback."

I have found that telling a girl I want "real sex" or especially "real boyfriend-girlfriend sex" with her (assuming she understands the meaning of those words in English) can often cover a lot of ground in one go about really intending to have DFK, no rush, no stopping everything to talk about or put on a condom, a more romantic mood, no mechanical routine and so on.

[IHeartIpa]

"I don't see why that would even be difficult to believe, IF the girl is quite fluent in English."

I've lived in Thailand a long time and mongered in BKK, Patts, Phuket, Samui, etc Done 1 k at soi 6 and had 15 k VIP girls. Nowhere have I met a girl in the game that has fluent English. I do prefer younger hot girls so I'm assuming you're targeting girls who have been in the game a long time. With better English and they earn less so are more open to negotiations. This whole talk of "Real sex" goes over the head of all of them unless maybe its a soi 11 freelancer in BKK who has fucked white guys for 10 years+.

Just say "mai yaak sai tung" = I don't want to wear a condom.

[EihTooms]

Real sex is good. One can also say natural sex. Dang it! I really miss AC!

I like the term "natural" for it, too and maybe there is some version of that in a Thai language euphemistic expression for no condom sexual intercourse. I don't know. Maybe I should know it. But then there would be side discussions and push back about an inference that every other sex act mentioned here is "unnatural."

Btw, did you mention how much you miss AC in this particular discussion in the Bangkok Reports thread because, unlike in Thailand for now, BBFS+CIP is commonly accepted as the norm without discussion in AC and elsewhere in the Philippines?

[Franciscass]

Then if you never or rarely get the kind of response I mentioned then maybe there is just something special about the girls I choose, the way I lead up to it, say it or write it and you can come back here to happily report that you finally found a gotch'a to hang on ET's head, your longest and most fervent dream and wish come true!.

A not unsurprising if a somewhat long winded convoluted no to the bet. ET In my autumn years there are still a few fervent dreams and wishes whirling around my mind but believe me trying to get a gotcha on you is most assuredly not one of them. To think it is displays a staggering sense of self-importance and perhaps even a slight hint of paranoia on your part. Reading and posting on ISG is for me and I imagine for most members no more no less than an enjoyable but insignificant trivial pursuit.

[ConquerorVal]

Real sex is good. One can also say natural sex. Dang it! I really miss AC!

[EihTooms]

Are you sure about this ET. I'll wager an even 20 K if we randomly called in at any massage shop, talked to any girl at a bar or disco, at a soapie or on the street and asked "I want real sex" no one would immediately know what you talking about. The winner pays for the booze and a session with a lady of his choosing. Budget 5 K.

On top If you google "real sex" you will be hard pressed to find a connection that references it to BB sex.

Me thinks ET the truth is in reality you use the term because for you if it's not BB it's not real sex and that's fine but you're really stretching credulity if you believe "real sex" is a commonly used synonym for BB sex or for that matter protected sex is "fake sex". But hey no big deal a rose by any other name etc etc.

I didn't say it is a commonly used term in Thailand or anywhere for BBFS+CIP. And, naturally, I am only talking about the times I am conversing with English fluent girls, not someone with little or no English fluency or someone relying on Google Translate. And I have no idea what happens with random P4P girls because I don't choose girls randomly to engage in these negotiations.

However, of the girls I do choose to negotiate this with, after we have discussed DFK, shaved pussy or not shaved, LT or ST, money, etc, I might say, for example, "Ok, I can pay this much but I am only interested in real sex." Or "if it is real sex."

Not 100% of the time. As I stipulated. But almost every time I do it that way I'll count to 5 if it is an in person negotiation or 30 seconds if it is on Line, more time than the previous replies required, and the very next statement from the girl will be "Must have condom" or "Condom" or some other reply that imo clearly indicates they got the message about what I meant without my uttering or typing the word "condom."

I don't see why that would even be difficult to believe, IF the girl is quite fluent in English.

I don't know what the Thai language version of it would be. But I'm guessing there is a euphemistic way of saying it without saying "no condom" directly that also comes fairly close to the concept of real, genuine, as god created it to make babies or whatever.

If they don't say anything about it in their next response then I will, just to make sure they understand what I mean. If they are English fluent enough to understand the nuances of the word "real", they at least suspect I am talking about sex without a barrier and will respond about it in some way.

Unfortunately for your little challenge, Franciscass, I have no idea what happens when you talk to massage shop girls on the phone or randomly in a go-go bar or randomly on the street or randomly on ThaiFriendly. I can only say what happens almost every time with the girls I zero in on as someone I would even bother to negotiate with.

There is no way am I burning a chance for a girl I might actually want to take or meet to say, "l'm ok about that" regarding BBFS+CIP forever by having you standing next to me to verify a bet. LOL. A negotiation for Real Sex/BBFS+CIP is a solitary journey. As I have advised bareback punters who inquired about it here and elsewhere, never, never, never do it in Thailand if there is any chance the girl thinks you have a friend nearby or listening in or if another person, friend or not, is near enough to hear. Or if she thinks you could take her Yes reply to your friend over there to boast about it and point to her. The answer will always be No.

Why don't you just run a few tests on this yourself, chat it up about a few other items you want, hit the girl with your expectation of real sex and she how she responds? Remember, English fluent girls.

Then if you never or rarely get the kind of response I mentioned then maybe there is just something special about the girls I choose, the way I lead up to it, say it or write it and you can come back here to happily report that you finally found a gotch'a to hang on ET's head, your longest and most fervent dream and wish come true!

I suspect that will be worth much more to you than 20,000 baht and a night of free drinks.

[Franciscass]

And it might shock some to find out that whenever I am negotiating the terms of sex with a Thai girl in person or online and I tell them I am only interested in "real sex", using exactly those words for the first time with them, almost always the girl's very next immediate response is on the topic of requiring a condom or not despite the fact that I had not uttered or written the word "condom" yet.

So I have little doubt the vast majority of Thai girls, P4P or not, consider BBFS+CIP to be Real Sex, already know what that means and that covered sex could be regarded as something else even if a few posters on ISG choose not to see it that way..

Are you sure about this ET. I'll wager an even 20 K if we randomly called in at any massage shop, talked to any girl at a bar or disco, at a soapie or on the street and asked "I want real sex" no one would immediately know what you talking about. The winner pays for the booze and a session with a lady of his choosing. Budget 5 K.

On top If you google "real sex" you will be hard pressed to find a connection that references it to BB sex.

Me thinks ET the truth is in reality you use the term because for you if it's not BB it's not real sex and that's fine but you're really stretching credulity if you believe "real sex" is a commonly used synonym for BB sex or for that matter protected sex is "fake sex". But hey no big deal a rose by any other name etc etc.

[Banana Boi]

I'd say well over 50 percent of gals are willing to let punters go bareback, especially on repeat performances.

If you exclude gogo bars and Thermae, I'm going to say the number is higher than 50% on repeat.

In my experience about 25% don't make a single move for the condom on the first session.

I find most Thai girls pull out a condom for first timers but my numbers are likely very skewed since I am mainly going with gogo girls.

In Jakarta for example if a girl asks you for a condom she is really asking you if you want BBFS or not. If you want BBFS simply say no condom and she will hop on. Like Thailand gogo bars, this will not apply to the the more mainstream tourist places like Classic and Travel.

[Franciscass]

I'll respectfully disagree. I'd say well over 50 percent of gals are willing to let punters go bareback, especially on repeat performances. But of course to the guys who are really worried about safety they will contend they are always 100 percent condom.

On how many girl go BB, I admit I don't know what would happen if I said no condom. I was commenting on what in my experience normally happens. Perhaps lots as you say will go BB if asked for it.

Also Goat not obvious to me how the girl will know a customer is worried about safety and contend she is always 100% condom. How would that go? The punter for some unknown reason says "if you're thinking of not using a condom don't because I worry about my heath" to which she replies "don't worry I never do boom boom without a condom". Again in my experience the condom is usually in her purse or handily accessible and is introduced when the preliminaries are over and it's onto the "main event".

I will agree with you that it is more likely she will go BB with somebody who becomes a regular if this is what he wants.