Bangkok Reports

[LittleBigMan]

Did that lady ever say how she thought she got HIV in the first place? Was it from having unprotected anal sex with an HIV-Positive man? That would be, by far, the most likely scenario for a woman getting it through sex. A man who acquired HIV via unprotected receptive anal sex himself, through a tainted blood transfusion or sharing needles with someone who was HIV-Positive, that is. Unless she got it through some method other than sexual intercourse.

Thankfully, if her and her fellow HIV-Positive (?) prostitutes' plan was to go "bareback because they had lost hope didn't care since they felt they got it from foreigners now was going to give it back," a woman giving it to a man that way is so rare as to be virtually unheard of unless there is an extraordinary co-factor that generally wouldn't exist in most normal 2-3 time sexual encounters. Consequently, their plan didn't work. I know of no international study revealing a notable rate of HIV transmission from female to male acquired in the lower Sukhumvit area of Bangkok for the past 40+ years. Or even as many as a few.

Hey, I'm not here to debate with you about Stats because I have none. You and others are grown men will do or believe whatever to justify what is being done whether you go bareback or not I learned this first hand from my first wife and heard it from co-workers who I work with and die during my tenor.

As for Thailand the ladies you need to remember the education the ignorance and prejudice Thais show to others even their own is the reason they don't disclose to anyone.

Those even today they get shunned outcast. Two years ago, in Chon Buri there was a story a fight to save a home for orphan children who had aids passed on by their parents because neighbors felt they would get the transmission.

Just my conversation from the sister I have no idea what her sex habits were just that she was a Freelancer working in Bangkok like many got pregnant early the Thai kid left as soon as thing got tough. To feed her kid she went to work as far as I can tell had no other relation with another Thai man all her customers were foreigners that included Asian assumption she could have gotten from any one of those customers. The fact regardless of how she does have it and kept working so to feed and raise money for herself and her kid. What shock me was she never got any help until it was really bad and of course, at a local hospital, it was only a few weeks after diagnoses I met her.

You seem to forget and looking for some reason but it is a shame to have it they aren't going to announce it or go into some study to let others know. They are outcast from their own reason so many don't obtain their HIV medication in the province they live in and travel far like the sister to Chon Buri to obtain her meds so no one will know her.

I also don't know whether her continue working when she had HIV before or after diagnosed whether any of her customers got infected what I do know and I don't need to look up stats it is an easy choice for me whatever choice you make that is yours to make. I'm not here to change your mind or targeting you I think you have already made the decision all I can say is do what you have been doing that works for you. Stay safe and enjoy.

[Franciscass]

The conservative elements in Europe are strong and it would be very difficult for the advocates of P4P there to persuade the authorities to get back into the business of body to body contact. Again, I hope I am wrong.
How much of a decline in p4p in Asia there will be I find it hard to predict. However, Asians are much more prone to clamping down on p4p than Latin Americans. Look at Singapore, Malaysia and China, where p4p is just a shadow of what it once was. Who is to say that the same can't happen in Thailand, the Philippines and Indonesia?

I feel you can divide right wing ideologues into political and religious. The first bunch are no angels when it comes to paying for sex, the second lot however are different and no matter what their religion will always see sex outside of marriage as a moral aberration.

Fortunately outside of some whacky Islamic countries and some dysfunctional localities of advanced countries so called bible belts they really don't have a lot of influence.

My own opinion is that if there are to be changes arising from this pandemic they will be based not on moral issues more on health issues. After the aids crisis safe sex became the norm well it did for most people, after this I can see kissing becoming more of a no no. Personally for a while now I have ruled out kissing and being up close to a girls face making physical contact a little awkward but it works for me.

So a possible future, along with STD tests results punters and providers will have immunization certs or antibody results showing they have had the virus and are now safe to be with.

This could be all BS and in a couple of months or so it will be business as usual, "but me cola I go with you."

[EihTooms]

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Living here a number of years back I was seeing a regular older provider she was from Bangkok originally and tagged along once a week when I traveled from Pattaya to Bangkok to play some sports. One trip we met up with her younger sister for dinner through the dinner I was just told she is " mai Sabai " I know the signs so I spoke up and ask her the response was dead silence from both of them and then a reply how did I know?

That night shock me to the core the stories I heard from her and other providers she knew had me shaking my head. She and friends of her felt lost outcast no money no resources and with their little education which breeds ignorance, she was working freelancing even going bareback because they had lost hope didn't care since they felt they got it from foreigners now was going to give it back. I was told there were girls from Pattaya coming to Bangkok to work and Bangkok to Pattaya and guess what she and some of her friends were working on Sukhumvit and T.

Thereafter I provided her sister with some resources in Chon Buri to obtain treatment and her meds, I still keep in touch with the older sister and her younger sister is back up the farm no one knows in her family or friends. Every two or three months because she doesn't want people to see her entering the local hospital where she lives comes down to Chon Buri to obtain them and while here she works Freelance to help pay for the meds and expenses.

Since that day I say never that is my choice.

Did that lady ever say how she thought she got HIV in the first place? Was it from having unprotected anal sex with an HIV-Positive man? That would be, by far, the most likely scenario for a woman getting it through sex. A man who acquired HIV via unprotected receptive anal sex himself, through a tainted blood transfusion or sharing needles with someone who was HIV-Positive, that is. Unless she got it through some method other than sexual intercourse.

Thankfully, if her and her fellow HIV-Positive (?) prostitutes' plan was to go "bareback because they had lost hope didn't care since they felt they got it from foreigners now was going to give it back," a woman giving it to a man that way is so rare as to be virtually unheard of unless there is an extraordinary co-factor that generally wouldn't exist in most normal 2-3 time sexual encounters. Consequently, their plan didn't work. I know of no international study revealing a notable rate of HIV transmission from female to male acquired in the lower Sukhumvit area of Bangkok for the past 40+ years. Or even as many as a few.

[LittleBigMan]

I've long stopped debating with people here or anywhere as to what they want to pay or whether they should or shouldn't go bareback. I've myself lost control and done it myself but that was a long long time ago.

My first wife was in the health and political industry in a major city on the west coast some consider it the epic center of Hiv / Aids, I remember my rank and file job in the early '80's being a seniority position I was shocked how fast I was moving up since many were just dying off or transferring out. During those early years through her, I met and saw the sign of Aids through education from her I never discriminated against any of my co-workers and I've heard it enough times if I catch it I catch it and when they did it wasn't pretty.

Living here a number of years back I was seeing a regular older provider she was from Bangkok originally and tagged along once a week when I traveled from Pattaya to Bangkok to play some sports. One trip we met up with her younger sister for dinner through the dinner I was just told she is " mai Sabai " I know the signs so I spoke up and ask her the response was dead silence from both of them and then a reply how did I know?

That night shock me to the core the stories I heard from her and other providers she knew had me shaking my head. She and friends of her felt lost outcast no money no resources and with their little education which breeds ignorance, she was working freelancing even going bareback because they had lost hope didn't care since they felt they got it from foreigners now was going to give it back. I was told there were girls from Pattaya coming to Bangkok to work and Bangkok to Pattaya and guess what she and some of her friends were working on Sukhumvit and T.

Thereafter I provided her sister with some resources in Chon Buri to obtain treatment and her meds, I still keep in touch with the older sister and her younger sister is back up the farm no one knows in her family or friends. Every two or three months because she doesn't want people to see her entering the local hospital where she lives comes down to Chon Buri to obtain them and while here she works Freelance to help pay for the meds and expenses.

Since that day I say never that is my choice.

[Mr Enternational]

I must admit Lee66, reading the posts by you and Mr. Real Sex gave me serious shivers straight down to my peehole! Imagine barebacking and swapping spit with desperate FLs (at heavily discounted prices or for a few bowls of noodles)

Where are you guys getting it from that people around here are desperate and starving? 500 baht ST was the normal price before tourists came fucking it up. Now that the tourists are gone, I see it as prices going back to normal.

I paid 40 baht for a bowl of chicken and noodles at a noodle restaurant the other day. So 500 baht would get a person 12 meals. 2 nights ago I stayed at a chick's place in Pattaya where they had a sign up, "Monthly Rental 2,500 baht". Keep things in perspective. Living here is not nearly expensive as it is where we are from, yet somehow P4P prices get jacked up.

Like ET, all the messages I am receiving from chicks are saying they are bored. I have not received 1 message from a chick saying they were on the street starving.

[EihTooms]

I must admit Lee66, reading the posts by you and Mr. Real Sex gave me serious shivers straight down to my peehole! Imagine barebacking and swapping spit with desperate FLs (at heavily discounted prices or for a few bowls of noodles) while a terrifying global pandemic rages exponentially all around you. Hmmm, this must be what the pundits refer to thinking with your little (dick) heads! You guys are real certified corona studs. Need I add: Stay safe??

If you were here on the scene I don't think you would find any FLs who appear underfed or truly desperate. Just smiley (unless they rate 6+ in looks) and reaching out or speaking as usual. Even the one(s) who claim to be offering whatever because they are hungry seem to be able to find a meal ticket somewhere without my forcing them to do anything at all. Nobody is a bowl of noodles away from starvation here. But I think some are really annoyed that they don't have a spare 200 baht for a Line top up at 7-11 as handy as they're used to having it. And, believe it or not, some of my past regulars are just lonely and bored sitting in their room with no place to go and no reason to go out unless it is to come over and stay with me.

As far as your post subject title goes, I don't think anyone dodges exposure to Coronovirus in the least by wearing a condom once you are naked in the same room and rolling around in the same bed 10 other punters and/or P4P girls used in the past few days. I am not aware that it even enters your body through a peehole or endangers you that way, does it? Isn't it a respiratory system ailment? Ah, maybe if she touches her vagina with a contaminated hand or clothing before I DATY or if she gives me a BJ under those same circumstances.

[Bigstud]

In daytime there are some talen on sukumvit around mcdonald"s want about 500 to 1000 bht st. No balloon. In evening up to thermea want 1000 bht but nicer looking, more need balloon. Soi 4 has some girls now in late afternoon. The ones there at night are low quality as far as I am conserned, but go for 500 to 1000st. I am going to see what China town is like.

I must admit Lee66, reading the posts by you and Mr. Real Sex gave me serious shivers straight down to my peehole! Imagine barebacking and swapping spit with desperate FLs (at heavily discounted prices or for a few bowls of noodles) while a terrifying global pandemic rages exponentially all around you. Hmmm, this must be what the pundits refer to thinking with your little (dick) heads! You guys are real certified corona studs. Need I add: Stay safe??

[Lee66]

In daytime there are some talen on sukumvit around mcdonald"s want about 500 to 1000 bht st. No balloon. In evening up to thermea want 1000 bht but nicer looking, more need balloon. Soi 4 has some girls now in late afternoon. The ones there at night are low quality as far as I am conserned, but go for 500 to 1000st. I am going to see what China town is like.

[EihTooms]

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Can anyone update me on current prices in Bangkok and Pattaya?

1. In the club (some room in the back or upstairs).

2. at your hotel.
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By "current prices", are you talking about during this Covid-19 lockdown? If so, there are no clubs, go-go bars, beer bars or happy ending massage shops open currently in Bangkok that I know of. However, the guys with the color brochures showing a soapie or fish tank venue they want to take you to are still present at certain times during the day. So maybe some of those are still operating, secretly or otherwise.

As for "at your hotel", if you mean freelancers, I can only report some FLs on the dating sites are still starting out at 3,000 baht for ST. LOL. I have not hit up those for a real appointment for Real Sex, but I assume I can talk them down from that rate these days.

I ran into a past favorite FL in one of the malls that was still open for limited take-out food from a few of their little restaurants and the Gourmet Market a couple of days ago. In the past, as recently as less than 2 years ago, she never budged from 2,000 ST, 5,000 LT. This time she said, "1,000 ST or LT, up to you, whatever you want." On the way to my room, I got a Line message from a better than average looking FL I met for the first time a few weeks ago but did not take because she was adamant about No bareback sex. Fine. Otherwise, at that time she was stuck on 1,500 baht for basic, standard fare of covered FS, which was of no interest to me at all. But this time her Line message was, "I'm hungry. 500 baht, anything you want. Or free, just for dinner. Can we meet?"

I haven't had time to get back to that one except to ask hours later if she ever did get something to eat. She did.

Anyway, those are some of the "current prices" I have been quoted from girls in Bangkok who would go to your hotel room without meeting them in a bar or club that isn't open these days.

As an aside, the principle that the better looking girls in any group or venue are the ones most likely to give you a Thermae-style cold shoulder and even more likely to give you lousy service prevails during these times as well. Yesterday, I was walking back to my room, perhaps one of the only potential customers on the scene for as far as the eye can see, and passed by 7-8 street girls. All but the 2-3 girls who might rate higher than a 6 in looks reached out, smiled, said something or responded to my smile and "Hello/Sawatdee Khrup."

The 2-3 better looking ones who might actually be (closed) Thermae refugees desperate to see it they can scrounge up a customer on the street these days, totally ignored me as I passed by, did not smile back at me after I smiled at them, did not utter a word of response to my Hello, nothing. LOL. Just as if they were still standing in Thermae waiting for a stray Asian customer to pass by on these otherwise desolate streets. Amazing. Well, I suppose it is comforting to know certain traditions never fade.

[The Cane]

Really it's not so much about the girls of even price (for me). For a day of fun and relaxation FKK cannot be beat. Fuck, sauna, fuck, massage, fuck, eat, fuck, sleep, fuck. Nothing worldwide comes close for a complete body experience. Want to feel true GFE where you believe it? Or see 150 7-9's in one club? Can't beat Sao Paulo Brazil. Epic neon and more girls per square mile than anywhere else on earth then Thailand. Want to not only fuck the Gogo girls but also the waitress, barmaids, and hostesses? Moscow! Want to fuck a Romanian stunner in her own bed in her studio apt? London baby!

To me you can get pretty girls anywhere in the world. It's the variety of formats and venues that are so fun for me.

I don't like all the constant pressure to buy drinks, drinks, drinks at some of the go-go clubs in places like Thailand and the Philippines. Don't get me wrong, I like to toss a few back. But, I typically don't like to drink to drunkenness. Can happen easily in those damn go-go bars! I don't like getting drunk, and I don't want the girl to be drunk either when I fuck her. Makes for a "lesser fuck".

[Steve 9696]

I prefer FKK more than gogos, and like you said food plus multiple shots in a day are good perks. If someone is going to have just one shot, it might not be that different from gogos money wise. But I like having multiple shots over a day with different type of girls and then it becomes lot less expensive.

Really it's not so much about the girls of even price (for me). For a day of fun and relaxation FKK cannot be beat. Fuck, sauna, fuck, massage, fuck, eat, fuck, sleep, fuck. Nothing worldwide comes close for a complete body experience. Want to feel true GFE where you believe it? Or see 150 7-9's in one club? Can't beat Sao Paulo Brazil. Epic neon and more girls per square mile than anywhere else on earth then Thailand. Want to not only fuck the Gogo girls but also the waitress, barmaids, and hostesses? Moscow! Want to fuck a Romanian stunner in her own bed in her studio apt? London baby!

To me you can get pretty girls anywhere in the world. It's the variety of formats and venues that are so fun for me.

[Smoothy]

Try 2000 BF plus 3000ST in top Pattaya gogo bars.

What a rip off.

[Gargano19]

Try 2000 BF plus 3000ST in top Pattaya gogo bars. Cheaper in BKK gogo bars but I still don't think top gogo bars are as low as 600 baht BF. 3600 baht would be 100 euro. Cheaper than Germany FKK? Not really if you count the 70 euro to get in to a FKK like Oase, then 50 euro for half the time with no BBBJ or DFK or a 50 euro upcharge. That is still for 1 shot in most cases. What FKK has going for it is drinks and half decent food are free and you can spend on entire day there from noon til well beyond midnight.

I prefer FKK more than gogos, and like you said food plus multiple shots in a day are good perks. If someone is going to have just one shot, it might not be that different from gogos money wise. But I like having multiple shots over a day with different type of girls and then it becomes lot less expensive.

[Banana Boi]

There was a room in the back of the gogo club where we spent about 30 minutes.

I am not aware of any Pattaya gogo bar that still has rooms in the club. The last ones I knew were a well known dirty gogo but the rooms got shut down after a bust around 3 years ago. There was another very popular gogo bar right on Walking Street that had rooms upstairs that very few knew about. Both gogo bars still popular and open but neither has rooms any more. A BKK expert can chime in about BKK gogo bars.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4223280/British-tourist-caught-bed-prostitute.html

I just watched a couple of Youtube vids and the mamason was quoting 600 Baht for takeout and another 3000 Baht for 1 shot!

Is this for real, more than Germany FKK?.

Try 2000 BF plus 3000ST in top Pattaya gogo bars. Cheaper in BKK gogo bars but I still don't think top gogo bars are as low as 600 baht BF. 3600 baht would be 100 euro. Cheaper than Germany FKK? Not really if you count the 70 euro to get in to a FKK like Oase, then 50 euro for half the time with no BBBJ or DFK or a 50 euro upcharge. That is still for 1 shot in most cases. What FKK has going for it is drinks and half decent food are free and you can spend on entire day there from noon til well beyond midnight.

[Turgid]

Where we are on the curve and what the shape of the curve is or will be is different for different countries. For the US the expected 100,000 to 200,000 deaths is accepted now even by dragged to the alter Trump compared to just thousands at present. This shows what's ahead. Its just beginning. Same in the UK. China, South Korea are further along the curve with a return to a semblance of normality already happening.

Thailand? . So hard to know with any certainty where we are. Have we been incredibly fortunate to have avoided high incidences of infection and deaths or is it something else. Lets hope it's the former.

In my opinion the future equilibrium of P4P will change with more on line connections and fewer punters for the foreseeable future.

Those girls that went off the grid going back home will soon start getting bored with life in the villages and small towns and slowly restrictions notwithstanding start returning to the where there might be some action. It is said there is no supply and demand pricing in the P4P world. Umm lets wait and see.

Lots of venues will change hands, get sold cheaply to operators with cash which will create a more concentrated ownership structure where possibly prices will go up. The go go segment most notably in Cowboy and Soi 6 are examples of how this was already happening.

Its interesting to see we still have science deniers about what this pandemic is all about and with what will be in time although I wouldn't be around to see it more disastrous and destructive I. E. Climate change.

You have a somewhat optimistic perspective. I hope you are right.

I have a different view. I believe the impact of covid 19 will affect different regions differently.

I believe that the scene in Europe will be changed forever. I love pursuing our hobby in Germany and I am so happy that I decided to do winter punting there for the first time ever in that time of year as I doubt we will ever see FKKs again and at least I have fond memories of January, February, March, 2020. The conservative elements in Europe are strong and it would be very difficult for the advocates of P4P there to persuade the authorities to get back into the business of body to body contact. Again, I hope I am wrong.

I see things taking a different route in Latin America. Our favorite destinations there, Mexico, Colombia, the Dominican Republic and Brazil depend heavily on tourism and their economies will take a severe hit by the onslaught of the virus. I think as soon as there is a let up in the casualties those countries will want to open up as soon as possible with activities that encourage tourism back in full swing. As a matter of fact blokes are still mongering in Mexico as I am typing this.

Asia will be different from the aforementioned. It will lie somewhere in between in not closing down entirely like Europe but not as 'back to business' as Latin America. How much of a decline in p4p in Asia there will be I find it hard to predict. However, Asians are much more prone to clamping down on p4p than Latin Americans. Look at Singapore, Malaysia and China, where p4p is just a shadow of what it once was. Who is to say that the same can't happen in Thailand, the Philippines and Indonesia?