Bangkok Reports

[Gargano19]

When her Ladydrink arrives the mamasan comes over again and hits me up for a drink. I smile and say no, maybe later and gesture to the girl cuddling next to me. Did I break a rule here? I couldn't care less. She smiles, understands and tells the girl to "take care of him."

This is getting so common and it's annoying. Why would I buy mamasan a drink? Like you I've never shown any interest in buying a drink for mamasan, but still annoying. Bar is already making good money with overpriced drinks, lady drinks, hefty bar-fines and they still want to be greedy. It will only push away the expats and regulars.

"We boom boom no condom, 2,500 baht".

Yes, ok.

Wow this was too simple, and little scary. Is it this common for girls of gogo to do unprotected sex?

[Diglerni]

In circumstances where I want a good looking FL girl who is asking for money at the top end or even above the top end of the price range in her venue / location; I will offer her a price beneath her asking price, then add " and I will give you good tip if you make me happy. ".

For example, let's say I am in Spasso or Brix in Singapore or CJ;s in Jakarta on a Friday night (any high end 5 star hotel FL pick up bar will be about the same) and a very attractive girl offers her service to me for 5000 baht, 500 Sin Dollars, or 2,000,000rp respectively, which is near the top end of Spasso, Brix, CJ's FL pricing. I might say to her, "I will give you 4,000 baht,. 300 Sin Dollar, or 1,500,000 rp and a very good tip if you make me happy. To which the girl always asks, "how much tip you give me?" And I will repeat, "a very good tip. You make me happy. I make you happy. " And that usually seals the deal with minimal negotiation, which is my preference, and with a tip ,at my discretion depending on her service. But I never cheat them and I must say that I very seldom have a bad session when the arrangement is agreed to on those terms. So specifically, I get the hot girl I desire within the price range that I view as acceptable and she winds up with her full asking price composed of a reasonable service fee and a generous tip, but only if she has delivered on the implied level of service and made me happy..

So after doing all that, you could have easily said that you overpay. 5 k baht. Well now we know who is driving up prices. New folks reading his post, never pay more than 1500ST and 3000 LT. 5 k, you got to be kidding me.

[Franciscass]

"Will you make me cum inside your mouth (pointing inside my mouth), 2,000?"

Somewhat confused ET as to exactly how much you paid and did you get bb cip?

[Franciscass]

Isn't good service supposed to be included in the original agreed fee?

Service is not black or white I. E. Good or bad. Nor is it some mystical experience but it is nuanced with a myriad of sensitivities influenced by a multitude of variables. So yes when you pay you expect good service but your idea of good service may be personal and different from others. Recent posts have bemoaned the inability of Asian girls to take a good pounding whatever that means, others feel it's a dud unless the girl behaves like a girlfriend again whatever that means while still others give the session low marks unless it BB sex. For me it's important to have a chat beforehand call it foreplay if you will to know what her service profile is and if there is some semblance of that enigmatic chemistry going on. Back to the issue on hand, why give an incentive by way of an extra bonus? Simply put, most likely she will try harder.

[EihTooms]

I am not comfortable with offering more money if the girl "does a great job" or "makes me happy." I realize this works very well for many punters and good for them. But I have run up against too many sweet young things whose idea of "great" and "happy" are miles away from what I'm talking about. Especially if they only have their experiences with other, possibly much easier to please, punters from which to judge. Inevitably, there is a 99% chance what appears to work and work very well for most punters will NOT work for me. So I need to be a lot more specific than that. It isn't the easier or more comfortable way to go for sure. Far from it. But, like many things in life, it gets easier and the results more frequent the more you do it.

This is what I did last night in the one and only Nana Plaza go-go bar I went into around 10PM, Mandarin Bar.

I walked in, looked around and immediately spied a sweet young thing that did it for me for her face and body head to toe at first glance. I sat in the booth right under where she was dancing. Eye contact and smiles. Another girl comes over and plops herself next to me. "Buy me a drink?" No, honey, I just sat down and want to relax a few minutes. Ok, she gets up and leaves, pouting. Mamasan comes over and says Hi, I squeeze her hand and say "Sawadee khrup" (Hello).

I scan the room but my attention goes back to the one dancing on the table in front of me. More eye contact and smiles. She gestures that she is cold because she is dancing in front of the air-conditioner. I gesture for her to come down for a drink. She is happy. Small chit chat about our names, where you from, blah, blah, blah.

When her Ladydrink arrives the mamasan comes over again and hits me up for a drink. I smile and say no, maybe later and gesture to the girl cuddling next to me. Did I break a rule here? I couldn't care less. She smiles, understands and tells the girl to "take care of him."

As she finishes her Ladydrink I ask my girl how much for barfine. She calls over the mamasan who shows me a card that says "1,200 baht barfine, ST 3,000 baht" etc. I say thank you I will talk to my girl about it.

"You like to kiss?" (similar to Natty's key question, as I recall!), pointing to my lips and her lips.

Yes.

We give it a try right there in the bar and she opens her mouth slightly for our tongues to touch.

"Do you sa-moke (smoke, blowjob) for me?"

What?

"Sa-moke. Not cigarettes. A blowjob. Sa-moke me (pointing to my dick)?"

Oh. Yes.

"How will you finish it for me?"

(confused look, understandably and not unexpectedly).

"Will you make me cum inside your mouth (pointing inside my mouth), 2,000?"

Yes.

She smiled when she said it as though she'd never heard of a girl finishing a blowjob any other way. But that was just my backup plan question before the next, far more important question. Her English and my Thai were too shaky to take a chance on this one. So I typed it out on Google Translate and showed it to her:

"We boom boom no condom, 2,500 baht".

Yes, ok. You want to pay bar now?

"Yep."

You want me to go change now (gesturing with both hands about changing into street clothes).

"Yes, honey." And there was no discussion about me prepaying in the bar. I only prepaid the barfine in the bar. I paid her the 2,500 after we were finished in my room.

All went very well in the room, no unpleasant surprises, no tricks. This method works about 60-70% of the time for me in Bangkok go-go bars and it way predates the coronavirus hysteria if that is in anyone's mind. Yeah, maybe I could have kept it at 2,000 baht. But doing that has triggered more back and forth in the past that I am too weary of after all these years. I like the element of surprise and disarming them by offering them MORE (just 500 baht) than they thought they had in their hand just a minute ago and that seems to diminish or even eliminate any argument regarding what I am now asking them to do for me instead of a mere blowjob with a real blowjob finish (BBFS+CIP). And if there IS any further balking about it in the room, at least I have a BBBJ+CIM agreement in the bank for less money. Not 100% guaranteed. Nothing is in this hobby. But pretty close.

She really was a lovely sweetheart. I will repeat. If I have time while cruising the scene for other fresh 19-20 year old cuties.

[Member #4698]

What I would suggest is, if it's a great session then I'll give you the 3 k you want, if it is not then I'll pay less. Also please keep in mind, the culture around pay and attitudes about money are different here.

In circumstances where I want a good looking FL girl who is asking for money at the top end or even above the top end of the price range in her venue / location; I will offer her a price beneath her asking price, then add " and I will give you good tip if you make me happy. ".

For example, let's say I am in Spasso or Brix in Singapore or CJ;s in Jakarta on a Friday night (any high end 5 star hotel FL pick up bar will be about the same) and a very attractive girl offers her service to me for 5000 baht, 500 Sin Dollars, or 2,000,000rp respectively, which is near the top end of Spasso, Brix, CJ's FL pricing. I might say to her, "I will give you 4,000 baht,. 300 Sin Dollar, or 1,500,000 rp and a very good tip if you make me happy. To which the girl always asks, "how much tip you give me?" And I will repeat, "a very good tip. You make me happy. I make you happy. " And that usually seals the deal with minimal negotiation, which is my preference, and with a tip ,at my discretion depending on her service. But I never cheat them and I must say that I very seldom have a bad session when the arrangement is agreed to on those terms. So specifically, I get the hot girl I desire within the price range that I view as acceptable and she winds up with her full asking price composed of a reasonable service fee and a generous tip, but only if she has delivered on the implied level of service and made me happy.

I have used this approach many times but solely in FL pick up bars in situations described above. I have never used this approach on Go Go girls. Honestly, I don't think it is needed. Go Go girls almost never quote above their price range and if one did I would take it as a huge Tell and pass on the girl unless she immediately lowered her offer. With Go Go girls I have my MO and that includes buying them a drink or two, getting friendly in the bar, and sizing them up. If a girl passes the audition it usually means we are going to have a good time in the loom and I don't need to provide her with any more incentive to perform other than the agreed upon fee and me! Yeah, 555, Me, because I am just what an honest, good looking, little Go Go girl is looking for ie a friendly, not too unsightly, courteous, ha ha ha, Farang with a decent size wallet, reasonable sexual abilities, and a lot of time on his hands in BKK or wherever we just met. And I do give reasonable tips to girls if I like them and they were nice and gave me what I wanted, and that is a good time. I know I don't have to, but I usually do anyway if the service was good. My point here is that the most rewarding thing I can do for a NEW Go Go girl I have not been with before or any new working girl, for that matter, is to see her again. Even now, at this late date, little Thai Go Go girls still appreciate friendly, steady customers and potential repeat customers do get benefits. Part of the initial conversation in the audition is always the part where the girls ask, "how long you stay in BKK (or wherever)." and when I tell them I am here for 2 months or 6 weeks or whatever time I have (I NEVER LIE), I usually see a discreet smile light up their charming faces. That is one of the reasons I think ex-pats have an amazing advantage over guys like me and can get better deals with the same girls. But as i have said before, everyone's mileage may vary.

[Syzygies]

Interesting observation. I have always had a problem with the service of Asian providers much unlike many other punters who seem to have no problem. From my experience Asian girls just can't seem to take a good pounding. I have had way too many complaints of pain, etc. in Asia compared to other destinations in Latin America, Europe and even the States. I like the look of Asians but not the service which is why I have not made more trips to that part of the world.

You have to allow for Asian girls not being used to taking a good pounding nor a big cock. However there do exist Thai girls who like big, deep, and heavy fucking. Some Asian girls in the modern day are even taking black guys as BFs (big and strong).

Many years ago I was totally sick of hookers in my own Country, and so moved to Asian girls since they had a much better attitude, and gave better service by miles, and on average better looking. However that was late 80's, early 90's. Back then most Thai girls were fun in the room. Times have changed. European hookers can give really good service if you find the right ones. I have to agree though that latin and black hookers have always been better for average service levels than Thais. Not that many dud Latinas, in my experience, despite never having been to south America.

[Goatscrot]

Isn't good service supposed to be included in the original agreed fee?

Exactly my point. Boy, what a place we have come to. Next thing you know I'm going to have to tip the clerk at 7 for ringing up my cookies.

[Goatscrot]

My strategy for motivating the girls to treat me well is to explain my tipping policy in advance: "Good service, good tip. Great service, great tip. Fantastic service, fantastic tip! But: bad service, no tip!" Even if she doesn't know much English she will usually understand those simple words. If she doesn't get it, it may be the word "tip" she doesn't know, in which case I change it to "money". Sometimes I include actual sums, thus "incredible tip" might mean that I double her pay (in practice I rarely (but sometimes!) pay that much). I find this approach often works wonders, and usually I end up with good service. It's almost as if they enjoy the clarity and the challenge of trying to reach as high as possible on a reasonably clear linear scale. Every now and then one of them will be hell-bent on achieving the grade "fantastic", and that can lead to some nice things. My system reduces risk for them, as sometimes they will give a guy fantastic service and he will give them a mediocre tip. With me, they know what the options are (both the good and the bad). I also find we usually end up with a reasonably good understanding between us after the deed, in the sense that they often seem to agree with the level of tip I end up giving within that framework. This is basically new public management. Many people hate it, but those are often people who don't really want to work hard and therefore dislike things that make them work hard. But many working girls are more than happy to work hard if they know that they will be rewarded fairly.

And so you are pushing up the cost more and more. Double her pay? No wonder attitudes are so poor. Sorry, when a Isaan GoGo girl is wanting 3 k for ST, good service should come along with that. That is already a more than "fair reward. " That is is what you are agreeing to pay her for in the first place. Do you tip the person that cleans your aircon or the people that deliver your new washing machine in order to get them to do their job properly? No, it is part of the service. What I would suggest is, if it's a great session then I'll give you the 3 k you want, if it is not then I'll pay less. Also please keep in mind, the culture around pay and attitudes about money are different here. There is face involved. If you pay an egregious amount, then all of the sudden that is her "worth" and she will not be happy with anything less as that is a loss of face for her, even if just in her own mind. Don't fool yourself, these girls for the most part make quite a bit more than the average Thai. Salaries are about 30 k per month without drinks and not including what they make ST and LT. That being said, if she chooses to stay LT on her own volition and services you more that night and in the morning, then a little more might be in order.

I'm addition, check sites like finfinfan. That is where the local Thai men find their gals. The girls are much better looking than what you see in GoGos and the average per hour for their company (including room) is 1600 - 2000 Baht.

[Jimmy Boy 99]

My strategy for motivating the girls to treat me well is to explain my tipping policy in advance: "Good service, good tip. Great service, great tip. Fantastic service, fantastic tip! But: bad service, no tip!" Even if she doesn't know much English she will usually understand those simple words. If she doesn't get it, it may be the word "tip" she doesn't know, in which case I change it to "money". Sometimes I include actual sums, thus "incredible tip" might mean that I double her pay (in practice I rarely (but sometimes!) pay that much). I find this approach often works wonders, and usually I end up with good service. It's almost as if they enjoy the clarity and the challenge of trying to reach as high as possible on a reasonably clear linear scale. Every now and then one of them will be hell-bent on achieving the grade "fantastic", and that can lead to some nice things. My system reduces risk for them, as sometimes they will give a guy fantastic service and he will give them a mediocre tip. With me, they know what the options are (both the good and the bad). I also find we usually end up with a reasonably good understanding between us after the deed, in the sense that they often seem to agree with the level of tip I end up giving within that framework. This is basically new public management. Many people hate it, but those are often people who don't really want to work hard and therefore dislike things that make them work hard. But many working girls are more than happy to work hard if they know that they will be rewarded fairly.

Isn't good service supposed to be included in the original agreed fee?

[Jsing]

Can anyone recommend providers who will do ass to mouth in BKK? I tried to RTFF but searching ATM doesn't return any results, and searching ass to mouth seems to return the wrong results.

The venue doesn't really matter to me (I'll do smooci, or an agency, or go to a massage parlor).

It's just sort of a bucket list thing for me. Appreciated.

[Cucumber]

Of course there are exceptions, but for the most part I agree with you. Different flavors of Asians tend to be different. I've found Indo gals to be about the best and Cambodians to be among the worst. But for the most part the gals I was with in the US and Latin America before I moved to Asia were far better, nastier, and a lot more fun. I think men in the West are just more demanding than Asian dudes. Thailand's appeal was the gals were plentiful and cheap. Can't beat a ST for 12.50 to 25 USD, which is what it was when I moved over. And for the most part, that is what many are still worth in my mind because the service overall has not improved. As I mentioned, I have had a few exceptions, most in oilies 5-10 years ago and some freelancers and the odd GoGo gal 15 plus years ago. And that was probably due to the fact back then all wanted a boyfriend and were giving a sales pitch with their ST. The current crop are making way to much money in the scene to want a BF. So it's wham bam, the less service they can get away with the better. When they encounter an old hand like myself; they want nothing to do with me as they know I'm going to want to put them through their paces.

My strategy for motivating the girls to treat me well is to explain my tipping policy in advance: "Good service, good tip. Great service, great tip. Fantastic service, fantastic tip! But: bad service, no tip!" Even if she doesn't know much English she will usually understand those simple words. If she doesn't get it, it may be the word "tip" she doesn't know, in which case I change it to "money". Sometimes I include actual sums, thus "incredible tip" might mean that I double her pay (in practice I rarely (but sometimes!) pay that much). I find this approach often works wonders, and usually I end up with good service. It's almost as if they enjoy the clarity and the challenge of trying to reach as high as possible on a reasonably clear linear scale. Every now and then one of them will be hell-bent on achieving the grade "fantastic", and that can lead to some nice things. My system reduces risk for them, as sometimes they will give a guy fantastic service and he will give them a mediocre tip. With me, they know what the options are (both the good and the bad). I also find we usually end up with a reasonably good understanding between us after the deed, in the sense that they often seem to agree with the level of tip I end up giving within that framework. This is basically new public management. Many people hate it, but those are often people who don't really want to work hard and therefore dislike things that make them work hard. But many working girls are more than happy to work hard if they know that they will be rewarded fairly.

[Rodwint2]

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[Goatscrot]

Interesting observation. I have always had a problem with the service of Asian providers much unlike many other punters who seem to have no problem. From my experience Asian girls just can't seem to take a good pounding. I have had way too many complaints of pain, etc. in Asia compared to other destinations in Latin America, Europe and even the States. I like the look of Asians but not the service which is why I have not made more trips to that part of the world.

Of course there are exceptions, but for the most part I agree with you. Different flavors of Asians tend to be different. I've found Indo gals to be about the best and Cambodians to be among the worst. But for the most part the gals I was with in the US and Latin America before I moved to Asia were far better, nastier, and a lot more fun. I think men in the West are just more demanding than Asian dudes. Thailand's appeal was the gals were plentiful and cheap. Can't beat a ST for 12.50 to 25 USD, which is what it was when I moved over. And for the most part, that is what many are still worth in my mind because the service overall has not improved. As I mentioned, I have had a few exceptions, most in oilies 5-10 years ago and some freelancers and the odd GoGo gal 15 plus years ago. And that was probably due to the fact back then all wanted a boyfriend and were giving a sales pitch with their ST. The current crop are making way to much money in the scene to want a BF. So it's wham bam, the less service they can get away with the better. When they encounter an old hand like myself; they want nothing to do with me as they know I'm going to want to put them through their paces.

[Turgid]

........... Now I'm beginning to dislike Thai hookers. What can you expect from lazy and stubborn Southeast Asian girls? Thailand might be the No. 1 destination in sex tourism. But it doesn't make the country the right destination for most. They are No. 1 in terms of quantity but not quality.

Interesting observation. I have always had a problem with the service of Asian providers much unlike many other punters who seem to have no problem. From my experience Asian girls just can't seem to take a good pounding. I have had way too many complaints of pain, etc. in Asia compared to other destinations in Latin America, Europe and even the States. I like the look of Asians but not the service which is why I have not made more trips to that part of the world.