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06-22-18 10:38 #41796
Posts: 666Return of Monkeypaw to BKK.
I've been hanging out in Pattaya, HK, and HCM more than BKK. Thursday night I came back to see if there is any new talent. Started my night at Baccara and got there around 7:45. Doors open at 7:00 but the girls trickle in from 7:20-8:00 for the first wave, second wave arrives before 9:00, and third and fourth waves are 10 and 11. I like to get there early to get a seat and watch them come in one by one. So after saying "Hi" to Sam (bald headed fat guy at the door), I walked in. By the way again. Don't bribe this guy with money. Just pay respect to him, so he notices you. Offer him a drink. He likes food and he likes coffee. Better he's your friend, than not. The owner is European, but has plenty of local Thai investors. So they are always keeping check on one another to any rules being broken. Baccara club runs like a well oiled machine, they know how to make money. There is no ping pong balls, no yee sip baht, and no bribes. None of that stuff is needed to keep their girls. Drinks, barfines, and use of that short time hotel is all they need. It's like a monopoly.
As soon as I walked in the mood in the club changed. The Baccara girls and I have this love and hate relationship. In other words, I'm not new to the game they play on other customers. I've been told by some of the girls that I'm the only guy that was able to play back. What game that is? Try going there and making a list of the top looking 60 or so trophy girls that work there over a span 4-5 years. And then banging each of them one by one and being able to get the best experience from as many as on that list as possible. You start breaking in circles of friends and then it gets much harder and harder, so after each and every time, I had to up my game with the next girl. Then to have girls spread rumors or pussy block one another because you ditched them for the next. Geesh. Doing this without over paying for below par service is not easy. The most I've paid for short time was 3,000 and long time was 10,000, but there are lots of in between depending on the services provided. And by now most everybody knows I like to tie these girls up and get them in vulnerable situations where they lose all sense of control and make them cum over and over again. I'm kinky, but not gross, not a sadist or try hurt the girls. These girls know at Baccara my reputation already. "Money is not and issue with him. And if he wants you, he will call you. Don't try to approach him with our fake smiles and games. " The kinkiness, I think they keep to themselves so they save face amongst each other. Many of the girls there are pissed that I've never barfined them after all these years because they have this tendency to want to compare themselves with each other and the best looking ones. Fortunately for me, I used to be the boyfriend of probably the most popular girl in the ALL the go go bar clubs in Bangkok. So that's how I got my start by playing with the devil. She was the #1 hustler in ALL of the Bangkok go go bars. Too bad the devil didn't know who I really was. I always win.
Thursday night, there was a handful of new talent, maybe only one new girl that I would add to my list. On the other hand, there was another girl, #299, that I need to get off that original list. If anyone has been with her and had success, share some intel. That way I can prepare my game with her. She's slim, has silicones, and bangs on her hair. Anyways, the rest of the girls that I wanted to be with, I have already done so. I need to make a quick point about Baccara. I sat there for about 45 minutes and I saw at least two Indians or Middle Easterns. They were well dressed and groomed and looked to be in their 40's. They sat at the bar, well behaved, and bought drinks and seemed to be enjoying their time. I also saw a black older man who was around 60, out of shape, and spoke with what sounded like a African accent. He sat right next to me, bought 1 beer and called down a very small and petite girl with short hair and no ass, no boobs (#421 or #412 I think). Her first drink was an orange juice big drink. In less than 15 minutes, he was barfining her. From the conversation I over heard, it was going to be a poor service job but at least he was able to get in and do so. She quoted him 3000 for 45 minutes across in the short time hotel and all money up front. I personally would have never barfined her (not my type). But he understood his limits. Get what you can get and the slowly build your reputation. So when Eih Tooms mentions that most of these members on here need to look at themselves, their mannerisms, hygiene, and how they are groomed BEFORE they scream racism, he is right. Just because you can't succeed, don't think that it's only about race, especially when there are others of the same race who can. With Baccara, come early before 8 pm. Pay respects to Sam. Make your presence known to staff by being friendly. Be respectful to the girls in the club. Buy drinks. Pay fair money for girls. And behind closed doors, don't do anything that gets you a bad reputation. They will talk to each other. The less you are known, the flashier you have to be to get the top talent. But be careful, the top trophy girls are very good at their game of taking all your money and giving back crap.
After Baccara, I went to Sharks. Lots of new coyotes dancers, who have no business even being on stage. I was appalled. However there was a new cute slim one that attracted my attention. Maybe not older than 21. Sometimes, I look at a girl and gauge very quickly how much I want play with this one and how much effort and how much money. To me she was equivalent to something I can get at Twisters. It was only around 9 pm about 15 customers, so I just wanted to play a quick game since many of these coyotes are drink hustlers and have no intention of going with customers. Pay attention, this is how it's done. I called the waitress over and pointed to the girl I wanted. Waitress asked if I wanted to buy her a drink? I told the waitress, "You must be new. Go tell the girl if she wants to boom boom me. If she says yes, she can come off stage to sit with me and I will get her 5 drinks. And if she says yes, I will get you (the waitress) a drink also. " The new waitress happily rushed over there and asked the new coyote. Her friends over heard and looked at her. I stood up, so she can look at me and spun around, and then waived her come over. I made a circle with one hand and repeatedly stuck in my finger in it with the other hand. That's the universal sign for boom boom. She shook her head to the waitress "No. " I did all this without fear of who was watching in the club. There were dancers, mamasans, waitresses all watching this scene. I don't consider myself unattractive by any means, so I know it's not my looks. And it's not definitely not a money issue either. So by her publicly not wanting to come sit with a customer like me, what revelation was just made to everybody including the 15 customers at Shark? This is how you get a coyote to show her true colors as a hustler to other customers. Saved me some time, money, and from a shitty experience. Some might be thinking, what if she did come off stage and agreed. Then it's a new game, 1 drink at a time and many questions asked, until I pay the barfine at the end, and the rest of the money after the session in my room. At anytime I could always send her back. Just getting them to come down and commit to you is the biggest hurdle. But make sure it's not to hustle you for drinks. You have to compete with so many other customers for the best talent. At any of the Man from Iran bars in Soi Cowboy and Cowboy 2. Ask the girls immediately"can you be barfined?" before allowing them to sit or even grab your arm as you are walking by outside of the clubs on the strip. Gauge their looks quickly and feel for fat, firmness, and flab all within that first drink that is ordered. Tell them to bring the barfine ticket and keep in it the bin with the drink bill. Anything fishy or if you feel she is going to be a bad experience, cancel the barfine and pay the drink tab and GTFO.
After this I walked into Nana Plaza and did a tour of Rainbow 2 (downstairs in back right corner next to London Calling) #72 looked cute with her new boobs. If anybody got to see how they looked let me know. I've only been with her when she had natural ones. Perhaps it's time to take a peek at her new body. Rainbow 5 (second floor next to Twisters) has the most girls #5, #56, and #11 looked pretty hot this night. #5 hates me, though I've been with her like 5 times, #56 (been with twice) adores me but I know she has a tomboy and she doesn't know I know, and #11 looks like she will be on my next to bang list. If anybody has intel on #11 please share. By the way feel free to ask me about certain girls at Rainbow 1, 2, 5, and Baccara. These are the clubs where I've done most of my damage in Bangkok besides Scratch Dog and Hanker Club.[Deleted by Admin]
Anyways, I just wanted to do a quick tour of my favorite clubs on my first night. My last stop was at Thermae and it was packed full of customers and girls, many new faces I haven't seen before. This was about 11:00. I bought my usual club soda and did one round the joint. I spotted a sexy girl with huge boobs (standing to the left as you walk in next to the cashier booth where the "elf looking girl" often stands) being chatted up by two Japanese guys in their 30's wearing what looks to be there work suits and carrying backpacks. Don't ask me why? I'm not Japanese, maybe it's for show and tell. Anyways, I gave them about 3 minutes to close the deal with her. She wouldn't look directly at them in these 3 minutes, so I swooped in for the kill. I walked over, told them, "domo arigato" while squeezing myself into the conversation. I can feel them staring at the side of my head, but I don't really care. I just smiled, said Hello, and asked how much for short time? She said 3000. I said I'll give you 3000 plus tip and my room was only 1 minute on Soi 13. She said okay, and we left the two Japanese guys looking a bit bewildered to what just happened, but there is plenty on talent there. It will be okay for them. It's been awhile since I reviewed a girl. Pretty much because it's a different girl everyday, but I kind of get lazy and bored of writing the same thing. So this will be quick. The 3000 became 4000 baht plus 200 taxi for her to go home because she could barely walk afterwards. Now good experience with me starts with a decent girl and ends in with BBBJ CIM. However, a great experience is like with this one, a 23 year old girl with a hot body, big boobs, involves sex toys, restraints, some light electro shocking of the boobs, squirting, multiple orgasms, BBBJ, 69 ing, sex in multiple positions, and finish with CIM. Of course the LINE IDs are swapped to cap it all off. Meet Bam Bam a 23 year old from Thermae. Enjoy.
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06-22-18 08:48 #41795
Posts: 3682Originally Posted by BlazeJohnny03 [View Original Post]
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06-22-18 06:38 #41794
Posts: 6316Originally Posted by MonkeyPaw [View Original Post]
Eihtooms, do you need us to quote all of MP's posts so you can read them?
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06-22-18 06:11 #41793
Posts: 303I can afford one drink even if I don't actually finish the drink. So it is no big deal for me to buy one at a busy place with lots of prospects. It is an admission fee. If I am getting special attention, I usually get a lot more drinks.
It is like going to the Porsche dealer to test drive a car. If they figure you have no intention of buying, you won't get to test the car. The bottom line is money talks and the bars are there to make money. Show them you are willing to pay a fair price and not seeking a freebie.
Originally Posted by MonkeyPaw [View Original Post]
Originally Posted by Smoothy [View Original Post]
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06-22-18 04:41 #41792
Posts: 5465Originally Posted by RobJones [View Original Post]
The other thing I think he gets right is in piling up volumes of options and choices among the girls in several bars, discos, FLs, wherever so there is never a time when 1, 2 or 5 of them matters so much on a given night and all of them have an incentive to up their game or be left behind. I always thought that was an aspect of his and any other punter's game he got right.
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06-21-18 22:24 #41791
Posts: 621Originally Posted by MonkeyPaw [View Original Post]
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06-21-18 22:00 #41790
Posts: 244A bit puzzled.
Now I have been about 10 times in Baccara. Not very much compared to others. For what I have seen, the info of MonkeyPaw is very accurate. There are a few differences. First, you don't need to give Sam anything. Just pay your respect. When I go in I look at him with a face that asks whether he will let me in. Never a problem. No matter how crowded Baccara got that night. One time nobody got in (just before Songkran) without buying a drink. I looked at Sam but he looked away. An Asian (the owner, manager whatever) was there and he did not let anybody in without a drink. I really disliked that, but went on like usual: drinking lots of Cola and not buying any lady drinks and certainly not barfining anybody. I just sit there and loads of girls try to get my attention. Sometimes in a more Western way, sometimes they approach me, sometimes they keep smiling just next to my place, whoever is there. At Baccara nobody complains. They are happy with my drinking tab and hope for more. Nothing going on like many of you write her but mostly just like MP wrote. When I am in Baccara there is something that really annoys me and it is not the bar, not the girls, not the mamasans (they are good or very good to me). No it is Western costumers. They often act disrespectful to the Asian customers. Frowning at them, not moving to the side when somebody wants to pass etc etc. I do that differently. For example when I am sitting at the bar and there are three Asians coming in and two bar stools to my left and two to my left are free, I simply move up one or two places, depending on the view that will give that to me. The Asians thank me shortly. Just as it should be. It doesn't get unnoticed. I have seen quite different things from other Westerners and I don't understand that. Another thing is that Baccara is really not after your money like is stated here. For example at March 2017 they had several nights they cleared the dancing floor and four strippers started dancing. Nobody had any interest in the barfineable girls anymore.
What puzzles me even more is that this is all about Baccara while CH is just showing awful behaviour. I drink the same, give away an occasional ladydrink and barfine but that is still met with rudeness. Once I ordered my second drink and then one of the mamasans came to me and insisted that I should order a next drink. Well, I just ordered one. It is on its way. She insisted and I didn't give in. Result was that the girl that I had payed a ladydrink sat with another customer. CH is fine for nude dancers but pretty awful for anything else. They show all the behaviour that is ascribed to Baccara and worse.
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06-21-18 21:10 #41789
Posts: 5465Originally Posted by Franciscass [View Original Post]
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06-21-18 19:36 #41788
Posts: 133Originally Posted by MonkeyPaw [View Original Post]
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06-21-18 15:32 #41787
Posts: 1360Be a happy guy.
Food and drink work wonders. I walked into a NP gogo once on a lark eating a candy bar. I had another and when the Mamasan came over, offered it to her. She took it and munched with me. Girls started coming over then looking for candy LOL.
One time I was going past Crazy House only way home. I was undecided about going in so figured I would contemplate over a Moo on a stick, conveniently being grilled outside. Bought three, handed two to the bouncers, then took off home. Never had a problem getting a seat.
When I would leave my apartment, sometimes I would buy a Coke for the security guy and hand it to him with the following conversation.
Hot. Wipe brow, here. For you.
Kop khun kop, where you go?
Find nice lady. Make boom boom. Accompanied by pelvic thrusts.
Ehhhh. Laughter. No LadyBoys.
May ow khop, look shocked, laugh.
See you later, wais and fist bump.
No hassles bringing girls back.
Moral. Be happy. Treat staff like friends.
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06-21-18 10:10 #41786
Posts: 1364Originally Posted by MonkeyPaw [View Original Post]
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06-21-18 05:14 #41785
Posts: 1222My Two Cents.
I get it. Go go's are businesses who have limited time to rack up a daily gross. I get it dickheads who visit a go go, suck forever on a single beer while abusing the situation to feel up the girls with no intention of either bar fining or buying ladies drinks should be asked to leave and barred from reentry. I get it when limited seating is completely occupied customers who nurse single drinks for inordinate lengths of time can be told they need to either finish up and leave or order another drink.
I don't get the practice of the bad mannered hustle of aggressively asking for tips, girls accepting lady drinks and disappearing, mamasans hustling customers who are drinking at a reasonable pace to buy another drink before they have finished the one they are on, mamasans hustling customers to barfine girls, the two drink single lady drink scam, girls hustling customers to buy drinks for their friends, girls giving an impression of being available for sex then several lady drinks later telling the customer they are not available. I fail to understand how any of these practices can be justified by any understanding of what a business should be about.
On the issue of customer profiling this is a difficult perhaps intractable problem. For sure some groupings are known for disproportional unreasonable behavior. Should they be all refused entry? No but finding an acceptable alternative is not straightforward. Everybody owners and customers both behaving with good intention mutual respect would go a long way towards owners making money and customers having a good time.
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06-21-18 04:24 #41784
Posts: 666The barfine bill at Baccara Bangkok
Originally Posted by BananaBoi [View Original Post]
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06-21-18 02:53 #41783
Posts: 666Originally Posted by BubbaBoy [View Original Post]
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06-21-18 02:46 #41782
Posts: 1364Originally Posted by Blanquiceleste [View Original Post]