Bangkok Reports

[EihTooms]

I am 29, and I've had the same experience in Manila. I agree, GF is the best way to go, because too many WGs are a waste. I haven't experienced Angeles though, yet, where I expect bareback and WG's being a waste to be minimal.

Your GF route, do you only keep one? Are they usually jealous or require being the only GF or about you not mongering on the side?

What are the compensation expectations of Thai GFs?

Answering for myself and I think my "regular girlfriend" style choices are different from RobertLong's, I do with my girlfriends all the things he stated in his post but I have a stable of "girlfriends" to choose from for doing it. I do not have just one or two special gfs that are like this with me in that way, that is. I never pledge fidelity to them when we first meet, never tell them I am not having sex with other girls, never work to make them think I sit home and twiddle my thumbs between our meetings. I don't rub their noses in it. I mean when they ask throughout the day on Line, "What are you doing? "Where are you?" "Is the friend you are with a man or a woman?" and so on, I respond to their, imo, unjustified intrusive monitoring of my behavior with innocuous responses and give them the one they want to hear. When I do bother to respond to those kinds of repeated questions.

Meanwhile, it is a rare occurrence that one of my Thai girlfriends bolts in anger because it becomes clear I am using my precious and well-earned freedom to see other women. Quite the opposite. I have found my return to them after an absence, sometimes by as much as 2-3 weeks, that can only be logically explained as my partaking of other female sexual delights, is to embrace me more ardently, fuck more enthusiastically, suck more eagerly. Seriously, it is more likely that these women will envy your ability to act on genuine masculine freedom exactly the way they are certain they would if they had been born with a penis instead of a vagina and want to be closer to it rather than run away from it. Not saying they won't pout and send head-exploding Line stickers when you put them off for an entire week or two. But they somehow manage to get over it pretty quickly and right back into girlfriend mode.

In terms of compensation, it depends on the need. If you expect to have a very, very needy girl hang with you often, I'd say politely slip her a couple of thousand baht every week or so "To help your family" or whatever the issue has been. But most of my girlfriends have decent jobs, can pay their own rent, do not have horror stories to share about dying grandpa and grandma and will push back almost any offer even to pay for their taxi ride to meet me. But that doesn't mean they won't start giving me big doe eyes when the next 30,000 baht Samsung smartphone hits the market. LOL. See, that is something they can show their co-workers and cousins as evidence of your love other than selfies of the two of you laying in bed together.

To others and RL. If there are so many options and girls, can't we just turn her away in the room, within 5 minutes, if she refuses bareback? I mean. That's my plan in Angeles is to say OK, no thanks, to any FL, and go back downstairs and find someone that will. I feel like this is a reasonable strategy, because it is just leveraging the truth, that you can just go back down and find someone else in 5 minutes.

I have a feeling that will work better in the Philippines than in Thailand. Oh, sure, you can put a Thai FL out for any reason. But I wouldn't expect many to just take your wasting their time and perhaps even getting a free nude show in the shower before finding out they won't provide BBFS as passively and with so much understanding and acceptance as Philippino FLs unless you meant that you would also be paying whatever amount you agreed to pay anyway. Despite the impression some newbies might have that Thai hookers are desperate to do anything with anyone for money and that a decision to wear a condom or not is generally up to the customer for his own reasons, the fact is a Thai hooker who says she will give you "EVERYTHING" only says that to convince you to take her and is very firm in her mind that "EVERYTHING" excludes anything she just doesn't feel like doing this time or with you ever. Wearing a condom is something many if not most Thai hookers think or at least want to convince anyone within earshot that they think everyone in this game does all the time with very, very rare exception.

Therefore, a Thai hooker who is put out without the agreed upon baht amount because she won't give you BBFS when she has NOT agreed to do it before walking to your room with you will not take kindly to it, will likely not keep her mouth shut about what you just did and why for anyone in the lobby of your hotel and outside the door to hear, any other FLs she stands near and on and on. If it really matters that you not spend a baht more than necessary getting BBFS with Thai hookers and aren't willing to "go with the flow" and take a chance that all might turn out well in the room, I would recommend you getting a clear and unambiguous affirmative response to the question before you take one to your room.

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[Ggekko2009]

I don't know, I don't see many Asian men stopping to chat with or walking off with an African girl on the stroll in the Bangkok red light areas. It is almost always farang men doing that. Maybe it is different inside certain clubs and discos where I am not there to observe it.

Like most, I assumed the African girls were going for less money than their Thai counterparts and willing to do more for the money because they were not what most farang punters have travelled 20-36 hours to Thailand to get.

But the better looking African girls apparently don't see it that way and feel their exotic difference and the satisfaction of "curiosity" is worth more and can stand alone as a reason to hold firm at or near their quoted price even if the quality of service provided is way lower. And they must be right.

Just this past week a visiting friend of mine spied a better looking than most African girl standing among other hopefuls outside Thermae. We had both seen her on the stroll along Sukhumvit near Sois 4 and 3 before. This time he approached her, chatted with her quite a long time while I stood far off to the side and did get her to come down from 3,000 to 2,000 for ST, her stating she was up for "everything" except anal.

Turned out, very much in sync with many Thai girls' definition of "everything", she was very reluctant to engage in DFK and BBBJ even as mere foreplay, not going to provide a CIM finish much less truly finish it with a polite and proper swallow and there was not going to be any BBFS happening either. So much for any reasonable definition of "everything". He said it was so much work on his part and so not worth the effort he wouldn't repeat if she came down to 200 baht for the next one.

And one interesting side note is she told him she was playing hide and seek with the cops for possible visa violation. So if any girl should have been sweet as pie about accommodating the desires for a discounted rate of a pleasant, attractive gentleman who would and could have been a go-to port in her storm over and over again on repeat sessions and to keep her off the highly visible stroll as much as possible, this girl was it. Yet, none of that motivated her to do even the rock bottom minimum without a somewhat abrasive and dismissive attitude in the room with a whole new list of services not included in the term "everything."

If you happen to read my past reports on Pattaya and Bangkok, you can see that I did not have much luck with the Thai girls on the GFE front. Given that Thailand is infamous as the mongering destination and with so many tourists descending on the place, I believe it has contributed to all these lousy attitudes that I had encountered from these working girls. Cold, mechanical and purely transactional. Compared to them, I think a sex robot can provide better intimacy, LOL.

My recent Bangkok trip could have been an unmemorable one. Luckily, I was able to meet up with a CIS girl who had made this Bangkok trip the best one that I have had in years among all other destinations. What an irony! Anyway, I do so not see Bangkok as a repeat destination for me in the near future.

[Steve 9696]

Bareback AO is now outlawed in Germany as of July last year.

Yeah and so is BBBJ (OWOW). Wink wink. Seriously, go read the German FKK forums. There was a 6 month BBBJ lull and then right back at it- tho some girls are charging 50€ more. But CIM was always 50€ up charge, so moot for me. AO is still quite available at a handful of clubs (don't expect high optics tho).

[Ggekko2009]

If why want guaranteed bareback then Thailand may not be for you. Only place on the forums I see guarantees bareback is at Dietzenbach FKK near Frankfurt. Bareback is more common in Japan than other places from ehat I can tell tho clearly YMMV.

Bareback AO is now outlawed in Germany as of July last year.

[EihTooms]

The first thing that anyone would learn from ECON-101 is that price is always determined by supply and demand. I don't see demand for African girls especially among the Asian clienteles (it's a culture thing) and hard to ignore the fact that is where the bulk of the customers come from in Bangkok. That probably explains why they may not have pricing power when compared to CIS or even Vietnamese girls.

I don't know, I don't see many Asian men stopping to chat with or walking off with an African girl on the stroll in the Bangkok red light areas. It is almost always farang men doing that. Maybe it is different inside certain clubs and discos where I am not there to observe it.

Like most, I assumed the African girls were going for less money than their Thai counterparts and willing to do more for the money because they were not what most farang punters have travelled 20-36 hours to Thailand to get.

But the better looking African girls apparently don't see it that way and feel their exotic difference and the satisfaction of "curiosity" is worth more and can stand alone as a reason to hold firm at or near their quoted price even if the quality of service provided is way lower. And they must be right.

Just this past week a visiting friend of mine spied a better looking than most African girl standing among other hopefuls outside Thermae. We had both seen her on the stroll along Sukhumvit near Sois 4 and 3 before. This time he approached her, chatted with her quite a long time while I stood far off to the side and did get her to come down from 3,000 to 2,000 for ST, her stating she was up for "everything" except anal.

Turned out, very much in sync with many Thai girls' definition of "everything", she was very reluctant to engage in DFK and BBBJ even as mere foreplay, not going to provide a CIM finish much less truly finish it with a polite and proper swallow and there was not going to be any BBFS happening either. So much for any reasonable definition of "everything". He said it was so much work on his part and so not worth the effort he wouldn't repeat if she came down to 200 baht for the next one.

And one interesting side note is she told him she was playing hide and seek with the cops for possible visa violation. So if any girl should have been sweet as pie about accommodating the desires for a discounted rate of a pleasant, attractive gentleman who would and could have been a go-to port in her storm over and over again on repeat sessions and to keep her off the highly visible stroll as much as possible, this girl was it. Yet, none of that motivated her to do even the rock bottom minimum without a somewhat abrasive and dismissive attitude in the room with a whole new list of services not included in the term "everything."

[Dante702]

The best bet is to use a web site like ThaiCupid or one of the many and find a GF. This is the approach I have used for years. They never ask for a condom. Many advantages with a GF in Thailand. She will advise, protect, and negotiate prices for you so you do not overpay Taxis and street food etc.

I travel with her and enjoy the anywhere and anytime sex we have. At todays prices in anything offered and the shitty service that most Wg's are giving I feel the best way to go is the GF route. Some can't travel because they work so if you plan on more than one GF you set them up in the places you want to monger.

I've been thru the exercise of banging a different WG every night. 50% are a waste. I don't have the means to stay in Thailand for months like some of the seniors here so it is difficult to get a winner in each club that has proved great when you need her.

I have come to the conclusion that a GF is the best way to go for an old gizzer like me.

RL.

I am 29, and I've had the same experience in Manila. I agree, GF is the best way to go, because too many WGs are a waste. I haven't experienced Angeles though, yet, where I expect bareback and WG's being a waste to be minimal.

Your GF route, do you only keep one? Are they usually jealous or require being the only GF or about you not mongering on the side?

What are the compensation expectations of Thai GFs?

To others and RL. If there are so many options and girls, can't we just turn her away in the room, within 5 minutes, if she refuses bareback? I mean. That's my plan in Angeles is to say OK, no thanks, to any FL, and go back downstairs and find someone that will. I feel like this is a reasonable strategy, because it is just leveraging the truth, that you can just go back down and find someone else in 5 minutes.

[Ggekko2009]

My friends and I get approached quite often, separately, by the better looking African girls strolling around Sukhumvit area. Yes, there are very few really good looking ones, imo. They all seem to be quoting ridiculously high prices; 3,000 baht for ST, for example. Imo, that is high for a girl walking the streets in the rain or heat. I got the 3 that I have tried so far down to 2,000/2,500 by being quite ready to walk away. But I have not had one budge below that. And most seem very reluctant to agree to BBBJ+CIM. They are checking their phones a lot so I assume they are on Tinder all the time or whatever. The less attractive ones seem to be ok with 1,000-1,500, but I have never taken one of them.

Based on my limited experience with 3 better looking African girls walking the streets of Bangkok over the past couple of years and what my friends tell me of their experiences, none of us were impressed or even fairly well satisfied by what happened in the room and ongoing interest in trying more African girls is near zero. Seems in Thailand, "Once You Go Black" you quickly discover that once (or twice) is plenty to satisfy your curiosity and it is quite easy to go back.

The first thing that anyone would learn from ECON-101 is that price is always determined by supply and demand. I don't see demand for African girls especially among the Asian clienteles (it's a culture thing) and hard to ignore the fact that is where the bulk of the customers come from in Bangkok. That probably explains why they may not have pricing power when compared to CIS or even Vietnamese girls.

[Steve 9696]

If why want guaranteed bareback then Thailand may not be for you. Only place on the forums I see guarantees bareback is at Dietzenbach FKK near Frankfurt. Bareback is more common in Japan than other places from ehat I can tell tho clearly YMMV.

[EihTooms]

I'm only interested in bareback. I've already had the shot in the butt and I don't care.

It seems bareback is harder to find these days, and for me, covered is a waste.

What are the best strategies for this? In Colombia and in the Philippines, I've found using agencies or bar girls is always a bust, as long as they have a boss, they always need covered, or they up the price.

If Thailand is the mongering capital of the world, I'm guessing if you want 24/7 bareback, then it's the easiest place to get it. But, I think there's an HIV craze there now, where all the girls are too scared to bareback now.

Any experienced mongers in Thailand that can advise me?

Thanks.

Making a case for how and why a Thai girl, be it a go-go dancer, a massage shop girl, a freelancer or a regular, non P4P dating site girl would go bareback with you can hinge on a hundred well-timed and presented approaches and responses. Too many to list here and now for each and every possible situation, of course. I wish it were as simple as saying some magic words or offering much more money. But it isn't. Yes, part of it is the HIV craze that isn't exactly currently in the air but the aftershocks from past decades are still being felt.

However, there are some basics that I would not leave home without regarding this subject. First of all, be conscientious and honorable about measures you DO take to be as safe as possible despite not wearing a condom; Get a vasectomy. If you are not circumcised already, get yourself circumcised. Always have a current (within a month or two is enough, imo) clean / normal / negative / non-reactive blood check document from a well-known reliable source in your possession to show the girl should she be interested in seeing it.

Committing to those conditions will automatically give you more confidence about making the offer or request to go bareback on the premise that you are as safe for them without a condom as many men they will meet who fully intend to wear a condom. I use the term "intend" intentionally and for a reason. After all, men "intending" to wear an intact condom can certainly produce more unwanted pregnancies, contract and transmit dangerous or deadly bugs than any circumcised man who has had a vasectomy and possesses a current negative blood check document.

Having done that, and assuming you are not the kind of guy willing to "go with the flow" and wait to see if nature just takes its course in the room (I am about half into this, half not into it since a "no" to bareback sex from the girl at any point means I will not be engaging in vaginal intercourse with her. End of story. No exceptions. It will simply not happen for me with a condom. Tried everything. I am old enough and experienced enough to know, for an absolute fact, that the outcome this time will not be different if I just give it one more try.), I suppose you could say there are some basic "approaches" to it:

You can make your agreeing to pay her first quoted price, or a bump up from it, contingent upon going bareback with the assurance that you are probably provably safer with your vasectomy and current blood check document than most of the men she might encounter "intending" to wear a condom.

As has been mentioned, you might choose to meet girls on the dating sites and become more or less their real boyfriend for a while. Can't say they "never ask for a condom". That certainly hasn't been my experience. But you can load up on enough first meetings in 2-3 days to meet some who will be fine with barebacking you. Or you can cover that issue with them through text and video chatting even before you meet them in person. That tends to be my general method. I also can send them a photo of my current blood check document while we're on the subject. Many, many times I have already tapped down any concerns and worries about going bareback with me well before that first coffee meeting.

I believe it also helps to be as sincere and honest about it as possible. It isn't easy to project an image of a sexual Superman while admitting to the girl that, unfortunately, you just can't get it up, keep it up and get it off while wearing a condom. But if that is the fact, tell her so. Some girls will chuckle in derision, huff and puff in disgust, launch into a lecture about how you are destroying the world and so on. Shrug if off and move on. There are others right behind those girls who will appreciate your honesty, your effort to be as safe as possible anyway and be happy to jump into bed with you for real skin-to-skin contact sex.

Ultimately, sheer numbers are in your favor. Don't let one, two, three or more rejections stop you. My experience is these things occur in clusters. It is just as likely that the next 4-5 will all say yes to it.

[EihTooms]

I never had a really great experience with an African in Thailand (based on the sample size of 4 over many years), though some of them were acceptable. Having the gall to quote 7000 LT by itself indicates she's way overpriced (or expecting you to negotiate down), but if she is really hot in your eyes, and if you don't care much about burning 3000, go for it. Yes, African FLs on Sukhumvit Soi 4 are around 1000ST, but they really aren't much to look at, to put it mildly. I'm sure a hot one would ask more, but I personally wouldn't pay more than 2000ST given the low likelihood of good service.

However, watch out for fake or enhanced pictures. I wouldn't be able to decide an African working girl is hot without seeing her in person.

My friends and I get approached quite often, separately, by the better looking African girls strolling around Sukhumvit area. Yes, there are very few really good looking ones, imo. They all seem to be quoting ridiculously high prices; 3,000 baht for ST, for example. Imo, that is high for a girl walking the streets in the rain or heat. I got the 3 that I have tried so far down to 2,000/2,500 by being quite ready to walk away. But I have not had one budge below that. And most seem very reluctant to agree to BBBJ+CIM. They are checking their phones a lot so I assume they are on Tinder all the time or whatever. The less attractive ones seem to be ok with 1,000-1,500, but I have never taken one of them.

Based on my limited experience with 3 better looking African girls walking the streets of Bangkok over the past couple of years and what my friends tell me of their experiences, none of us were impressed or even fairly well satisfied by what happened in the room and ongoing interest in trying more African girls is near zero. Seems in Thailand, "Once You Go Black" you quickly discover that once (or twice) is plenty to satisfy your curiosity and it is quite easy to go back.

[Robert Long]

I'm only interested in bareback. I've already had the shot in the butt and I don't care.

It seems bareback is harder to find these days, and for me, covered is a waste.

What are the best strategies for this? In Colombia and in the Philippines, I've found using agencies or bar girls is always a bust, as long as they have a boss, they always need covered, or they up the price.

If Thailand is the mongering capital of the world, I'm guessing if you want 24/7 bareback, then it's the easiest place to get it. But, I think there's an HIV craze there now, where all the girls are too scared to bareback now.

Any experienced mongers in Thailand that can advise me?

Thanks.

The best bet is to use a web site like ThaiCupid or one of the many and find a GF. This is the approach I have used for years. They never ask for a condom. Many advantages with a GF in Thailand. She will advise, protect, and negotiate prices for you so you do not overpay Taxis and street food etc.

I travel with her and enjoy the anywhere and anytime sex we have. At todays prices in anything offered and the shitty service that most Wg's are giving I feel the best way to go is the GF route. Some can't travel because they work so if you plan on more than one GF you set them up in the places you want to monger.

I've been thru the exercise of banging a different WG every night. 50% are a waste. I don't have the means to stay in Thailand for months like some of the seniors here so it is difficult to get a winner in each club that has proved great when you need her.

I have come to the conclusion that a GF is the best way to go for an old gizzer like me.

RL.

[Eszpresszo]

The reason I ask, is that I've read various Bangkok guides that mention African FLs on the street go for somewhere in the range of 800-1000 for ST, and 1500 to 2000 for LT. Like I said before, she's hot. But I have a hard time believing she's not one of those FLs that hangs out on in the street near Soi 13.

I encountered a girl from Ghana near soi 7 on my first night who offered herself to me for 1000. She was pleasant to to look at, which is saying a lot coming from me, since I'm not too attracted to her race. I had just popped in a Thai girl, so I had to pass.

That said, you need not pay a premium for Africans, who don't seem to be that popular in Thailand (and probably not anywhere else that I know of). I think the price you were quoted was the "Tinder" premium that applies to punters who are too lazy to hit the streets, look at the ample inventory and negotiate.

[Dante702]

On a side note, for all the occasional suggestions that my interest in achieving a true GFE as in BBFS or BBBJ+CIM+(preferably) Swallow finish as being extreme, out of the main stream, not something many or most other punters care much about, should not justify tweaking any, say, escort-related business model to accommodate a discrete arrangement of same and so on, Neigung's report and my experience right here reminds me that I don't recall ever reading a Field Report on this or any similar site listing either outcome with their lady on the "negative" side of her rating score card rather than squarely on the "positive" side. Just mentioning that observation in passing.

Girls from Thai Friendly, or at least the GFE experience type of girls like this, I assume don't simply live right next to Soi Cowboy and aren't girls working that area waiting for a text. If this assumption is true, and you are pulling awesome GFE experience girls, more non-pro kind of girls, from other areas, is it better to book a hotel that is more central or less in-the-middle of Soi Cowboy, etc. ?

This is totally what I'm looking for, because I don't care for crowds, smoking, or even alcohol really. Just achieving true GFE and solid good times, privately. So a hotel further away from Soi Cowboy and Nana is totally fine with me if it means more convenient access to GFE more non-pro girls, part-time freelancers.

[Smoothy]

I know it is a bit counterintuitive to target African women while in Bangkok, but I stumbled across a really hot one on tinder. She quoted me 3000ST and 7000 (LT. So obviously, LT is out. But her ST price is in line with high end Thai escorts. So is 3000 a fair price for someone of her caliber, or should I expect a built in discount because African women in Bangkok aren't in that much demand?

The reason I ask, is that I've read various Bangkok guides that mention African FLs on the street go for somewhere in the range of 800-1000 for ST, and 1500 to 2000 for LT. Like I said before, she's hot. But I have a hard time believing she's not one of those FLs that hangs out on in the street near Soi 13.

If you can share her photo here, it will be easy to tell you. Without a photo, it would be a complete guess offering up an opinion.