Bangkok Reports

[Nyezhov]

Three of us arrive at BKK at 00:20, just after midnight in mid-November. We are staying off of Soi 11, just north of Sukhumvit Road, and estimate our arrival between 01:30 and 02:15. That places us at Nana near closing time. How late do the freelancers typically work near Nana after closing? One of the travelers doesn't want to wait until the next day to partake. Thank you.

You can find hoochie on Soi Nana all night. Beware Ladyboys. There are some fairly aggressive ones down there. If you had up towards Thermae which is close to where you're staying, you'll find I think higher quality street walkers.

[Raj Patela]

In order to be treated as such you need to dress a bit better, make sure you smell good and talk more politely than the average tourist from India. Also don't hang out in a big group of other Indians. Actually the Thai girls are not racist per se as much as they want to maximize their chance of earning the most with as little work as possible. Indians are trained to bargain for everything while white people generally just pay up and Asians overpay. Thats the basic difference. I have seen Koreans offer 3 K or 4 K to street girls on Sukhumvit. Wouldn't you expect girls to flock to them? Even if only 25% of them do that, it sets up the reputation.

We've all seen Nana Streetwalkers, schoolgirl included. In all my year I've not seen Korean s after them.

Assuming I'm wrong I doubt they paying 4,000.

About our Friends smelling good. Don't Smell too good, gnome saying. Hahaha.

My advice would be to show them who is Boss by overpaying.

[WanderingMan]

Three of us arrive at BKK at 00:20, just after midnight in mid-November. We are staying off of Soi 11, just north of Sukhumvit Road, and estimate our arrival between 01:30 and 02:15. That places us at Nana near closing time. How late do the freelancers typically work near Nana after closing? One of the travelers doesn't want to wait until the next day to partake. Thank you.

[Expat American]

Interesting. Very truly and objectively said Nyezhov! That being said, I am an Indian myself (by color) and an American by nationality. I am probably on the top 5% earners or tax payers in the land of free. I think, I would appear as a rich Indian corporate dude just by the looks, but only after a conversation someone might know my western background. Why am I saying this here? - I totally endorse to what Nyezhov says here. If I were to go to a nightclub as an example in Bangkok, I will be profiled very quick by the Bar tenders as someone who will probably not want to spend money on drinks, and by the girls as someone who would be exactly what Nyezhov describes. As a result, I have hard time attracting a girl in a bar or a nightclub for a take-out. I am not sure how to play up on the profiling piece in Bangkok, it is going to be there for me to deal with, I have learned to play around it though, but it is a lot of extra effort for sure.

Contrary to all this, I find Germany (not FKKs, they are not my thing) to be much more equitable relatively. In fact, I have personally experienced favorable treatment there over the whites, somehow they tend to think Indians are richer, innovators and big spenders (go figure). I am talking about the Bars as an example inside of the hotel Roomers in Frankfurt or Berlin or even the Bar in ground floor of Hilton City Center (again, not FKKs). FKKs are assembly line manufacturing IMO. LOL.

In order to be treated as such you need to dress a bit better, make sure you smell good and talk more politely than the average tourist from India. Also don't hang out in a big group of other Indians. Actually the Thai girls are not racist per se as much as they want to maximize their chance of earning the most with as little work as possible. Indians are trained to bargain for everything while white people generally just pay up and Asians overpay. Thats the basic difference. I have seen Koreans offer 3 K or 4 K to street girls on Sukhumvit. Wouldn't you expect girls to flock to them? Even if only 25% of them do that, it sets up the reputation.

[Zam007]

The best way to avoid this problem is to keep your smart phone backed up. I don't know why Somewhere15 had a problem.

I've changed phones more times since getting Line than I care to remember and I've never lost anything during phone changes. I have iPhone, but I'm confident that Android has something equivalent. I do automated nightly backups via WiFi to iCloud and then about weekly I do a wired encrypted manual backup to my laptop using iTunes. Before I go to the phone store, the last thing I do is a manual backup to my laptop. When I get my new phone, I take it straight home and do a restore from my laptop. I can't remember every losing anything from any of my phone apps.

So, I got it back. But a bit too late.

Line replied to my email request that I was permenantly banned due to the soliciting. Yes, they have access to our conversations and some of them were kinky.

But, I wanted to try again, I got a pop up that read I need to wait for another 14 days before trying again. I tried after 14 days and it worked.

By then, I was not in BKK anymore and the good ones left or changed their IDs. But, I suspect some of them may return.

I have backed it up anyways.

[Sammon]

Interesting. Very truly and objectively said Nyezhov! That being said, I am an Indian myself (by color) and an American by nationality. I am probably on the top 5% earners or tax payers in the land of free. I think, I would appear as a rich Indian corporate dude just by the looks, but only after a conversation someone might know my western background. Why am I saying this here? - I totally endorse to what Nyezhov says here. If I were to go to a nightclub as an example in Bangkok, I will be profiled very quick by the Bar tenders as someone who will probably not want to spend money on drinks, and by the girls as someone who would be exactly what Nyezhov describes. As a result, I have hard time attracting a girl in a bar or a nightclub for a take-out. I am not sure how to play up on the profiling piece in Bangkok, it is going to be there for me to deal with, I have learned to play around it though, but it is a lot of extra effort for sure.

Contrary to all this, I find Germany (not FKKs, they are not my thing) to be much more equitable relatively. In fact, I have personally experienced favorable treatment there over the whites, somehow they tend to think Indians are richer, innovators and big spenders (go figure). I am talking about the Bars as an example inside of the hotel Roomers in Frankfurt or Berlin or even the Bar in ground floor of Hilton City Center (again, not FKKs). FKKs are assembly line manufacturing IMO. LOL.

Racial profiling is going to be there all over the world according to how you look. There are bad apples who behave badly irrespective of how look and how people assume where the person is from. I believe problem in Thailand is lots of Indians go there because of proximity and cheap fares and cheap living and cheap pussy. India is conservative and with LE problems not easy to have fun.

I believe to have a good time ignore the racial profiling and do your own thing. Thailand caters to everyone irrespective of which country they come from. If you are ignored in one place there are others who welcome you.

[Nyezhov]

Interesting. Very truly and objectively said Nyezhov! That being said, I am an Indian myself (by color) and an American by nationality. I am probably on the top 5% earners or tax payers in the land of free. I think, I would appear as a rich Indian corporate dude just by the looks, but only after a conversation someone might know my western background. Why am I saying this here? - I totally endorse to what Nyezhov says here. If I were to go to a nightclub as an example in Bangkok, I will be profiled very quick by the Bar tenders as someone who will probably not want to spend money on drinks, and by the girls as someone who would be exactly what Nyezhov describes. As a result, I have hard time attracting a girl in a bar or a nightclub for a take-out. I am not sure how to play up on the profiling piece in Bangkok, it is going to be there for me to deal with, I have learned to play around it though, but it is a lot of extra effort for sure.

Contrary to all this, I find Germany (not FKKs, they are not my thing) to be much more equitable relatively. In fact, I have personally experienced favorable treatment there over the whites, somehow they tend to think Indians are richer, innovators and big spenders (go figure). I am talking about the Bars as an example inside of the hotel Roomers in Frankfurt or Berlin or even the Bar in ground floor of Hilton City Center (again, not FKKs). FKKs are assembly line manufacturing IMO. LOL.

Exactly. The girls have no idea of how it is in the usa. To them, if you look Indian, you are a poor bum on a boys cheap charter looking to share a coke. Meanwhile, they don't realize that you have just founded your fourth tech company here in the USA since here in the states if you are of Indian ancestry, that's what you do: you are a sucessful big earner.

All I can suggest for you is that in nightclubs make sure they somehow know you are an American. Don't quite have the strategy for that, I guess it would have to be an ad hoc thing. Thai folks don't differentiate in accents or mannerisms, you would be surprised how many times a day I'm asked where do you come from when I am so blatantly American to any Westerner that it's laughable. Then again, I can pick an American out of the crowd, no matter what his race or at the background is. I walked up toh a couple of Asian guys over in Nana one night and ask them what part of California they were from. They freaked out and said how do you know that we are American. I told him that now, your accents have confirmed it, but if I see tattooed up Asian dudes who are 6 ft tall and 220 lb, and wearing NFL jerseys, backwards ball caps and have mustaches, I can tell you that they're Hmong people so I was curious as to where in California. They said Stockton and we smoked a fat joint.

[Raj Patela]

Interesting. Very truly and objectively said Nyezhov! That being said, I am an Indian myself (by color) and an American by nationality. I am probably on the top 5% earners or tax payers in the land of free. I think, I would appear as a rich Indian corporate dude just by the looks, but only after a conversation someone might know my western background. Why am I saying this here? - I totally endorse to what Nyezhov says here. If I were to go to a nightclub as an example in Bangkok, I will be profiled very quick by the Bar tenders as someone who will probably not want to spend money on drinks, and by the girls as someone who would be exactly what Nyezhov describes. As a result, I have hard time attracting a girl in a bar or a nightclub for a take-out. I am not sure how to play up on the profiling piece in Bangkok, it is going to be there for me to deal with, I have learned to play around it though, but it is a lot of extra effort for sure.

Contrary to all this, I find Germany (not FKKs, they are not my thing) to be much more equitable relatively. In fact, I have personally experienced favorable treatment there over the whites, somehow they tend to think Indians are richer, innovators and big spenders (go figure). I am talking about the Bars as an example inside of the hotel Roomers in Frankfurt or Berlin or even the Bar in ground floor of Hilton City Center (again, not FKKs). FKKs are assembly line manufacturing IMO. LOL.

Recently I was treated like an Indian in Pattaya.

One drink and I was Booted before my usual 30 minutes.

It did not feel Pleasent. Hahaha.

[MachchiBaba]

And, not to be ever accused of being an ugly American, but my young newbie brethren from India need to read that post and understand why they get treated badly and will be treated badly by Thai hookers. Quite frankly, many earn more than you do and they know it. That's their further position of power, one that they do not have with wealthier older westerners, especially expats.

Interesting. Very truly and objectively said Nyezhov! That being said, I am an Indian myself (by color) and an American by nationality. I am probably on the top 5% earners or tax payers in the land of free. I think, I would appear as a rich Indian corporate dude just by the looks, but only after a conversation someone might know my western background. Why am I saying this here? - I totally endorse to what Nyezhov says here. If I were to go to a nightclub as an example in Bangkok, I will be profiled very quick by the Bar tenders as someone who will probably not want to spend money on drinks, and by the girls as someone who would be exactly what Nyezhov describes. As a result, I have hard time attracting a girl in a bar or a nightclub for a take-out. I am not sure how to play up on the profiling piece in Bangkok, it is going to be there for me to deal with, I have learned to play around it though, but it is a lot of extra effort for sure.

Contrary to all this, I find Germany (not FKKs, they are not my thing) to be much more equitable relatively. In fact, I have personally experienced favorable treatment there over the whites, somehow they tend to think Indians are richer, innovators and big spenders (go figure). I am talking about the Bars as an example inside of the hotel Roomers in Frankfurt or Berlin or even the Bar in ground floor of Hilton City Center (again, not FKKs). FKKs are assembly line manufacturing IMO. LOL.

[Nyezhov]

Contrary to what most of us thought was the case or hoped would be the case before we really got into the Thai P4 P scene, Thai prostitutes are not poor beggars so desperate for money they must do whatever a merciful paying customer wants and go with anyone willing to give them money.

They are not poor at all. Not the ones we are likely to meet in the tourist red light districts. Certainly not poor by Thai standards. Not even poor compared to poor people I have seen in poor areas of the USA. I doubt I have ever met one truly poor Thai prostitute in the 12 years I have lived in Thailand. And I have meet hundreds of them.

Inconvenienced by not having this or last month's rent? Or, rather, had it but spent it all on late night sumtam parties and drinks with their girlfriends? Yes. Poor? No.

Worried that they are late paying back extravagant gambling debts? Yes. Poor? No.

This would be especially true of Thai gogo bar girls. They are far more likely to be in it for the fun of hanging out with other Thai girls, to impress them with how good they are at the "sport" of hustling LDs from dumb men, to avoid the boredom of just sitting at home with grandma and the baby, to experience a new and interesting dick every now and then and for the booze than "for the money" exactly..

This needs to be stickied and referred to every time we see the does she love me posts.

And, not to be ever accused of being an ugly American, but my young newbie brethren from India need to read that post and understand why they get treated badly and will be treated badly by Thai hookers. Quite frankly, many earn more than you do and they know it. That's their further position of power, one that they do not have with wealthier older westerners, especially expats.

That's the reverse power that Western expats have. We live there, we have all the time in the world to weed them out. Its a game to them, and should be to you.

[Nyezhov]

May sound stupid but if you are going out to soak up the atmosphere (no pun intended) late at night to eye up the street freelancers etc, I strongly recommend go for an umbrella rather than rain jacket / hood. I talk from experience. I found during the heavy rains girls were a bit wary of me approaching them if I had a hood on. Changed the next night to an umbrella and then miraculously the girls would be coming up to you instead (which all part of the fun).

Even if you are only there for a day or two, most hotels will lend you an Umbrella also. The other reason (obviously depending) on time of year that I ditched the coat was it can get bloody hot and humid even very late at night. Blooming sweat was pouring off me haha!

Also in the heavy rain the number of FL's on the street will be way down, just head over to Thermae bar for a laugh. Hundred or more to choose from at any time!

Appreciate the advice but I have several umbrellas already plus I wear high priced rain gear so don't sweat or get wet. But thanks for trying to help me out as I approach probably my 20th rainy season in SE Asia.

If a girl is leery of my hood, I just plaster a thousand baht note to my face.

About 12 years ago, a peddlar lady outside Thermae offered me an umbrella for 100 b. I declined with a smiling paeng mak, went inside, came out later, and it was pouring. Lady saw me, smiled pulled out a piece of cardboard with 300 B written on it and stuck it on her stock.

[PgReal]

I'm on my way back. Its going to be raining for the next two weeks. I use gore tex or an umbrella, or just say in my condo and call for take out if I need it.

May sound stupid but if you are going out to soak up the atmosphere (no pun intended) late at night to eye up the street freelancers etc, I strongly recommend go for an umbrella rather than rain jacket / hood. I talk from experience. I found during the heavy rains girls were a bit wary of me approaching them if I had a hood on. Changed the next night to an umbrella and then miraculously the girls would be coming up to you instead (which all part of the fun).

Even if you are only there for a day or two, most hotels will lend you an Umbrella also. The other reason (obviously depending) on time of year that I ditched the coat was it can get bloody hot and humid even very late at night. Blooming sweat was pouring off me haha!

Also in the heavy rain the number of FL's on the street will be way down, just head over to Thermae bar for a laugh. Hundred or more to choose from at any time!

[Goatscrot]

True, but the damage they are doing will catch up with them later in life. Couple young girls I know just do drinks for the most part. They text several times a week drunk, very drunk. I tell them to stop this as over time this will kill you. Why don't you just barfine a couple nights a week, youll make much more and better for your health. Hmm. Well we don't often see guys we like. Uh girls you aint in the like business you are bargirls there to make money, the like who we fuck is for normal girls with regular jobs. It is what it is. A couple dicks a week won't kill you, cirrhosis of the liver will.

Back in the late 90's early 00's salaries for bar girls or 6 7 and 8,000, depending on whether they danced closed, topless, or fully nude. That and the small amount of money they got for drinks was not enough to sustain them. They made their money by going with customers. As soon as the Arab took over bars in soy cowboy, the coyote model came about where girls were signing 10-day contracts for 10,000. So all of a sudden they could make 30 k by just showing up and dancing, and along with their drink supplement make plenty of money to get by. This was not good for punters. And along with knowing they had enough income to survive they could then be pickier and charge more for their services.

[Raj Patela]

True, but the damage they are doing will catch up with them later in life. Couple young girls I know just do drinks for the most part. They text several times a week drunk, very drunk. I tell them to stop this as over time this will kill you. Why don't you just barfine a couple nights a week, youll make much more and better for your health. Hmm. Well we don't often see guys we like. Uh girls you aint in the like business you are bargirls there to make money, the like who we fuck is for normal girls with regular jobs. It is what it is. A couple dicks a week won't kill you, cirrhosis of the liver will.

After spending numerous hours just observing.

I agree that the majority of guys approaching Bargirls for Sex is not the quintessential Beauty of a Man.

[EihTooms]

True, but the damage they are doing will catch up with them later in life. Couple young girls I know just do drinks for the most part. They text several times a week drunk, very drunk. I tell them to stop this as over time this will kill you. Why don't you just barfine a couple nights a week, youll make much more and better for your health. Hmm. Well we don't often see guys we like. Uh girls you aint in the like business you are bargirls there to make money, the like who we fuck is for normal girls with regular jobs. It is what it is. A couple dicks a week won't kill you, cirrhosis of the liver will.

Contrary to what most of us thought was the case or hoped would be the case before we really got into the Thai P4 P scene, Thai prostitutes are not poor beggars so desperate for money they must do whatever a merciful paying customer wants and go with anyone willing to give them money.

They are not poor at all. Not the ones we are likely to meet in the tourist red light districts. Certainly not poor by Thai standards. Not even poor compared to poor people I have seen in poor areas of the USA. I doubt I have ever met one truly poor Thai prostitute in the 12 years I have lived in Thailand. And I have meet hundreds of them.

Inconvenienced by not having this or last month's rent? Or, rather, had it but spent it all on late night sumtam parties and drinks with their girlfriends? Yes. Poor? No.

Worried that they are late paying back extravagant gambling debts? Yes. Poor? No.

This would be especially true of Thai gogo bar girls. They are far more likely to be in it for the fun of hanging out with other Thai girls, to impress them with how good they are at the "sport" of hustling LDs from dumb men, to avoid the boredom of just sitting at home with grandma and the baby, to experience a new and interesting dick every now and then and for the booze than "for the money" exactly.

Many are Party Girls pretending to be "poor" with a purse full of 1000 baht notes at all times.

Not really poor.

Therefore, they can easily say No to anyone at any time for any reason without batting an eye and most definitely without missing a meal, the next free drink and a hearty laugh amongst their bargirl co-workers over getting a customer to pay them for it.

As an Asian female, they have never felt so much attention, power and control over men. That is quite addictive for them. They are far more likely to be in the bar or in the P4 P scene for that than for any pretend need for money.