Bangkok Reports

[MrManGuy]

3500 baht (including bar fine) for ST doesn't sound all that reasonable for a Thai girl to me given that I can have a hot European chick with amazing service for only 100 Euros for ST in Germany (or for just 50 Euros for half hour if I want to merely audition the girl). Granted LT is a different story, but for ST, it just doesn't seem reasonable to me at all that Thai girls are charging almost as much as Western girls in the P4 P capital of Europe. I mean, it used to be that Thai girls were way cheaper than Western girls for ST, but this doesn't seem to be the case anymore, at least as far as the hotter gogo girls are concerned.

Well I'm not racist so all that matters to me in market rates; not race.

ST is about 2 hours and includes CIM. On my last trip the FKK clubs were "meh". Thai girls are softer, sweeter and give better service and are more girl next door types. Like how Samya used to be but better.

Try getting BBBJ CIM 2 hour OUTCALL off a western girl for under $100.

I'll enjoy my thai princesses at market rates thanks very much and they are little sweet hearts; my heart melts.

If you think you can get equally attractive ladies cheaper; please tell what what platform? Was not impressed with smooci.

[Franciscass]

The average wage in Thailand is 300 baht per day, or 1,500 baht per week. So your whole "pretty girls / suck" rap makes no sense as they already make more than 1/4 months salary for 1 short time session.

I could go on but even trying to logically relate to such nonsense is giving me a headache. Hope you are not an economist or financial advisor by trade.

SL.

The minimum wage is 300 baht not the average wage. In reality the 300 baht minimum operates outside Bangkok, within the city it is closer to 400, still incredible low.

On average a masseuse not delivering special service clocking up 80 to 100 hours can expect with tips around 15000 a month. With specials depending on her own popularity and the popularity of the shop her earnings will be 25000 up. Some so called star performers are in the 100,000 plus league.

On what you pay for service here and whether it is good value and competitive with other countries in my opinion yes it is. That said if you use go go's or Hi end clubs to find your partner you are paying way more than you have to but even at 3500 for a good looking young go go girl who delivers on service that's still not outrageously expensive and no I am not an economist. Hope your headache is better.

[Banana Boi]

Depends on your tastes. Imo talent in FKK land was very weak for my 2 week trip there in May. I'll take one of my top gogo girls, some of which are half euro half Thai, over the girls I saw in Germany recently. Germany is not the same as it was 4 or 5 years ago. Lots of average girls. You're also assuming st with a gogo girl is 1 hour which it definitely isn't if you are fun to hang out with.

[UltraHappy]

GAll I'm saying is the rates in gogo for the hot young ones are not unreasonable given the costs in thailand.

3500 baht (including bar fine) for ST doesn't sound all that reasonable for a Thai girl to me given that I can have a hot European chick with amazing service for only 100 Euros for ST in Germany (or for just 50 Euros for half hour if I want to merely audition the girl). Granted LT is a different story, but for ST, it just doesn't seem reasonable to me at all that Thai girls are charging almost as much as Western girls in the P4 P capital of Europe. I mean, it used to be that Thai girls were way cheaper than Western girls for ST, but this doesn't seem to be the case anymore, at least as far as the hotter gogo girls are concerned.

[MrManGuy]

There are very few Thai people earning 120 k. One look at any site on salaries will tell you that. Yes, average starting wage is not longer 8 k, but Thais still hit a ceiling very quickly. Average salaries for in the US are higher. And people will work for peanuts here compared to the US. Driving factor in Bangkok is not labor cost; it's commercial rents, which are completely out of control especially when compared to residential rents. But, yes you are correct about the dollar, and it is more expensive for Americans, but that has little to do with salaries and more to do with the weakness of the dollar which was 40+ when I moved over. As stated before, it is double the cost to live here in comparison to 20 years ago. If the Baht was still over 40, then that multiple would be less.

Girls don't fuck dirty old men to earn a wage they could get working as a cashier. No offense but can this forum seriously not grasp the concept of opportunity cosy and compound interest? Thai wages on average increased by 5. 8% a year which means rates for girls need to go up by be atleast that much or girls will start to do something else as being a hooker seems less and less attractive. That is why you only see ugly dogs on soi 6. All I'm saying is the rates in gogo for the hot young ones are not unreasonable given the costs in thailand.

[Goatscrot]

So much of this makes no sense it is hard to unpack it all:

US wages have gone down? USD buying power is down 75%? On what planet?

The Thai bar girl gets paid in baht. The USD / TBH relationship ie "she now needs" is irrational thinking.

The average wage in Thailand is 300 baht per day, or 1,500 baht per week. So your whole "pretty girls / suck" rap makes no sense as they already make more than 1/4 months salary for 1 short time session.

I could go on but even trying to logically relate to such nonsense is giving me a headache. Hope you are not an economist or financial advisor by trade.

SL.

Spot on. Accurate assessment of the situation here.

[Goatscrot]

Yes down about 75% to thai people. 15 years ago 100 USD bought a lot more overseas than or does now. Thailand does not have static wages. People won't work for peanuts like in the USA.

Average thai wage is not 8k a month. Low end wages yeah. For a decent life you need 120k, more than meant Americans earn ! Asia is growing the tide is turning.

There are very few Thai people earning 120 k. One look at any site on salaries will tell you that. Yes, average starting wage is not longer 8 k, but Thais still hit a ceiling very quickly. Average salaries for in the US are higher. And people will work for peanuts here compared to the US. Driving factor in Bangkok is not labor cost; it's commercial rents, which are completely out of control especially when compared to residential rents. But, yes you are correct about the dollar, and it is more expensive for Americans, but that has little to do with salaries and more to do with the weakness of the dollar which was 40+ when I moved over. As stated before, it is double the cost to live here in comparison to 20 years ago. If the Baht was still over 40, then that multiple would be less.

[MrManGuy]

So much of this makes no sense it is hard to unpack it all:

US wages have gone down? USD buying power is down 75%? On what planet?

The Thai bar girl gets paid in baht. The USD / TBH relationship ie "she now needs" is irrational thinking.

The average wage in Thailand is 300 baht per day, or 1,500 baht per week. So your whole "pretty girls / suck" rap makes no sense as they already make more than 1/4 months salary for 1 short time session.

I could go on but even trying to logically relate to such nonsense is giving me a headache. Hope you are not an economist or financial advisor by trade.

SL.

Yes down about 75% to thai people. 15 years ago 100 USD bought a lot more overseas than or does now. Thailand does not have static wages. People won't work for peanuts like in the USA.

Average thai wage is not 8k a month. Low end wages yeah. For a decent life you need 120k, more than meant Americans earn ! Asia is growing the tide is turning.

[Gus69]

Is there another bar similar to Bangkok Beat around the Soi7/1 area?

I had some great nights in there, without breaking the bank as well, when I was going to the toilet once a girl stopped me with the "Remember Me?

She actually did, giving me the details where I was staying before etc. That was it, I was toast.

I like the freelancer / live music bars, just reminded me there was Country Road down the tunnel and once again I had some good times at Country Road, Soi Cowboy.

[Sunlover2]

As I see it, US wages have fallen or gone down, while Thailand wages have increased 5. 8% PA since 2001. The effect of this is that for a bar girl to get the same value out of $40 USD from 2001, she now needs $160 USD, while for the American, $40 USD is still $40 USD. I don't find GoGo prices to be unreasonable, what worries me more, is that westerners will get black listed or the girls will simply leave the industry as it no longer pays enough. Pretty girls are not going to suck off fat old men for anything less than 1/4 of a months salary. If the rates drop, the hot one will quit

So much of this makes no sense it is hard to unpack it all:

US wages have gone down? USD buying power is down 75%? On what planet?

The Thai bar girl gets paid in baht. The USD / TBH relationship ie "she now needs" is irrational thinking.

The average wage in Thailand is 300 baht per day, or 1,500 baht per week. So your whole "pretty girls / suck" rap makes no sense as they already make more than 1/4 months salary for 1 short time session.

I could go on but even trying to logically relate to such nonsense is giving me a headache. Hope you are not an economist or financial advisor by trade.

SL.

[Robert Long]

Has the club re-opened after its closure a few months ago for refurbishment?

Bangkok Beat 7/1 Soi is now an eating establishment. And yes it has pool tables and a bar. But not many customers. The Beat was always packed and had to be a money maker. Why they closed and renovated into a restaurant is crazy. I thought they had the best music and bands in Bkk.

RL.

[Breadman]

As I see it, US wages have fallen or gone down, while Thailand wages have increased 5. 8% PA since 2001. The effect of this is that for a bar girl to get the same value out of $40 USD from 2001, she now needs $160 USD, while for the American, $40 USD is still $40 USD. I don't find GoGo prices to be unreasonable, what worries me more, is that westerners will get black listed or the girls will simply leave the industry as it no longer pays enough. Pretty girls are not going to suck off fat old men for anything less than 1/4 of a months salary. If the rates drop, the hot one will quit.

Good observation if the girls were all nuns and saved every penny they made. But the truth is many are drug addicts, spend their money faster than they make it, get busted by the police on the way to meet their clients at night and must pay a bribe, give out their hard earned cash to friends who are in need (with the thinking that what goes around comes around) and many other spending habits that result in them having little money left to pay rent. I was told high season wasn't very good to the girls and many are living day to day with a harsh slow season. Money is money, nobody with money will be blacklisted anywhere in Thailand.

Goatscrot is correct, online is the new business model. Smooci dot com is one of them, I know line, whatsapp and skout are also popular apps. But be warned, these girls take thousands of selfies and know how to make themselves look good. My buddy met his girl and she tried to get him to do a threesome with her friend. The friend was butt ugly, couldn't get a guy until she managed to snag one online.

[Goatscrot]

As I see it, US wages have fallen or gone down, while Thailand wages have increased 5. 8% PA since 2001. The effect of this is that for a bar girl to get the same value out of $40 USD from 2001, she now needs $160 USD, while for the American, $40 USD is still $40 USD. I don't find GoGo prices to be unreasonable, what worries me more, is that westerners will get black listed or the girls will simply leave the industry as it no longer pays enough. Pretty girls are not going to suck off fat old men for anything less than 1/4 of a months salary. If the rates drop, the hot one will quit.

In saying that I don't mean to make out that I am so rich guy or anything, just that I did my own assessment having recently discovered the wonder of Thailand and concluded that I don't have any issue with the current pricing structure of GoGo bars.

Wages in Thailand have not increased that much. How do I know? I live here, have or almost 2 decades, and had a company here. Median salary is more, but not that much more. Cost of living is more, but not that more. Double what it was in '00, certainly. 4 times more. Hardly. What I do believe is that non-P4P jobs now pay enough to keep most gals out of the industry and if they are moonlighting they do it online and not in venues as it is more discreet, preferring local guys to foreigners as well. Gogo prices are unreasonable in not just the number but the services delivered. As the price has increased the level of service has for the most part decreased.

[MrManGuy]

Agreed! It has gotten way to expensive to take a GoGo gal. Most Gogos are not doing well business wise. A select few like CH and Bac are, but the rest are struggling. Take the BF away and 2 k to 2. 5 k is not that bad for ST. I would certainly get back in the game. Bunnies will do well and drink sales will probably go up and way offset what they will lose in BFs. Hopefully all the bars will have to follow suit. And you are right; it could revitalize the industry.

As I see it, US wages have fallen or gone down, while Thailand wages have increased 5. 8% PA since 2001. The effect of this is that for a bar girl to get the same value out of $40 USD from 2001, she now needs $160 USD, while for the American, $40 USD is still $40 USD. I don't find GoGo prices to be unreasonable, what worries me more, is that westerners will get black listed or the girls will simply leave the industry as it no longer pays enough. Pretty girls are not going to suck off fat old men for anything less than 1/4 of a months salary. If the rates drop, the hot one will quit.

In saying that I don't mean to make out that I am so rich guy or anything, just that I did my own assessment having recently discovered the wonder of Thailand and concluded that I don't have any issue with the current pricing structure of GoGo bars.

[Breadman]

I think we should all support Bangkok bunnies for this effort in changing things. Let's at least go in to get a drink when we're in Bangkok.

If the prices the girls quote for ST and LT stay the same and other Nana gogo's follow suite this will surely draw more guys to Nana vs Cowboy and Patpong. Pattaya gogo pricing will seem steep in comparison. If the club puts "no barfine charge ever" on each tab that would get it accross much quicker than twitter. Whatever the reason for this decision it sure makes the club stand out.