Bangkok Reports

[Wolvenvacht]

Biggest issue with Thailand now is looks. When I look at the escorts in the China forum, they really are stunning and 90 min for about 140 USD. When all in that is a better deal than most GoGo gals in Thailand and for real lookers. White skin, great bodies, no baby. Also compare that to what the oldies are charging at Spaso these days.

You mean that dozen or so photos in the China Classified ads forum? Repeated ad nauseam and heavily photoshopped and if indeed of the escort, probably taken years ago?

Honestly I cannot say that the looks of the Thai agogo girls has gone down in the 6 years or so I have been visiting Thailand.

[MagicSheep74]

Within the last 3 months, I done 7 days in Bangkok and 3 Days In FKK Frankfurt / Germany.

We all know the format in each country and the related costs etc. I was flying in from Spain, so my costs of flight to Germany was $200 and was $500 to Bangkok, so $300 in difference.

Summary.

Bangkok.

City. Its dynamic, intoxicating and exciting. The only place on this planet that anything can happen at anytime.

Girls. Mostly average, but occasionally stunning. I search high and low for the stunners, and when I find one, I work very hard to turn her into a freebie for a future holiday. It worked again from my last trip and the stunner and I go to Bali next month for a 7 day vacation. . Naturally my other 6 days in Bangkok were spent Soi Cowboy, Soapy Massage Joint and the FL scene / Mixx / Spasso, Bars etc. I paid for 8 girls and nothing below a 7/10.

Summary. Thailand for me. I get off the plane smiling, continue smiling for 7 days, then go home happy every-time.

Frankfurt- 3 FKKS.

City. Miserable, but functional.

FKKS. Palace - Shark. OASE - 95% Romanian Girls - 50 euro fuck / Quality - 4/10 to 7/10. Did not see any stunners in any of the bigs 3 clubs.

Summary. Its serves a purpose I guess, one giant conveyor belt of fucking. Just not my thing, Romanians just don't make me happy, LOL.

Cost of Trips. All included / Flights / Hotel / Girls.

Thailand- 7 Days- $2000- Sex 10 Girls.

FKK Germany- 3 Days- $1500 Sex 6 Girls.

Thailand wins every time for me. Better food, Better Weather, Better Women, Better Atmosphere, and most importantly cheaper.

Cheers MS.

[Syzygies]

IMHO FKK girls win for beauty, but thai girls win for service and performance.

Actually very few FKK girls are exceptionally pretty, and quite a few dogs, same as Thailand. So really only white skin is the advantage for some. It's likely you have a personal bias towards European looks. Venues with nice looking Thai girls can be found.

Thermae or a high end Soapy may be comparable to an FKK, except that unfortunately the girls are not nude.

If you want to fuck very so so looking pornstars, then Thailand is the best place, if you go to pornstar MP venues.

I can find very acceptable looks with great performance from both alternatives, with sex skills superior in FKK over Thailand in general.

However for money spent in a day of mongering, or in several consecutive days, Thailand should be significantly cheaper. In FKK, it is possible to spend quite big on several girls. Relatively few customers are confining themselves to just one session per day. No one should bother to come to Thailand just for a day or two of mongering. It's only worthwhile over a longer period.

If needing expensive dentistry done, flight to Thailand will pay for itself, in dentist savings.

[Jude Bright]

Not need to useless argue FKK vs Thailand but your FKK's price are incorrect, standard 30min in a Germany FKK is 50 and in some clubs 40/30 min or 30/30 min. Only artemis and few clubs other clubs cost 60 for 30min. Unfortunately FKK have a la carte menu for all extras. IMHO FKK girls win for beauty, but thai girls win for service and perfomance. I'm looking more for perfomance so for me Thai is better, but Germany is only 1 HR flight and 20/30e flight ticket from my country, so easy to spend weekend there.

I think you have to pay entrance fee in FKK between 45 to 60 euro unless you get waived.

Jb.

[Asian Rain]

117.63 USD or 4,000 Baht for an all night session with 2 or more pops. 6-12 hours with the lady.

Assuming that THB4,000 just for the girl's service, if you add on the 700 b bar fine and very minimalist drinks / tip of 500 b, then you end up at THB5,200 "total cost" for a better end go go bar LT experience. That's circa USD150.

Interestingly, I just got back from Manila where I went to the EDSA Complex go go bars and did a takeout. Damage was exactly the same. Bar was PHP1,950 barfine plus p400 for minimalist drinks. LT was PHP5,000, so total was PHP7,350 all-in, which is the equivalent of THB5,100. So cost was pretty much at par. The quality I got was every bit as good, if not better, than anything I could have gotten at the subjectively "better" go go venues like Crazy House, etc. In BKK. In fact, for me it was absolutely better. The quality and experience I had from this girl was so good during our first round that I kept her overnight, something that I hadn't done in over 7 years (if that says anything). If it had been a short time (which was my original intention), then I could have knocked off PHP2,000, which still keeps it on par with BKK.

The cost for high quality from tourist or "public-oriented" venues like go go bars has gotten way out of hand. But it is what it is. If you can't afford it, then I say to mongers better to manage your expectations. If your wallet is a constraint, you can try your luck in freelance bars, try the soapies/oilies, use chat apps or trawl the streets for alternatives.

Cost being what it is, if I were living in Southern California I would be driving down to Mexico to live like a sex tourist king on the devalued peso. Exchange rates matter, but only in limited temporal cases IMHO and the market adjusts quickly. I find the discussion below interesting not for the bickering about price, but more from the angle that shows that mongers have an immense variety of choices to make and, depending on their diverse (or perverse) preferences, they can choose a wide variety of venues with product to suit tastes and budgets. Thailand being what it is today, no way would I cram myself into an economy class seat for 10+ hours to pay for what is on the public menu at most Asian venues today. ASIA IS NOT A CHEAP QUALITY FUCK DESTINATION ANYMORE. Enjoy Thailand, AsianRain.

[Syzygies]

So, WHY would anyone go to Thailand to pay higher prices then an FKK?

Firstly I am not going to claim that Thailand has the cheapest mongering. Clearly Cambodia and Nigeria are far cheaper.

Don't come to Thailand unless you particularly like Thai girls. That is the first rule.

FKK girls are cheap at 50 Euros for 30 minutes (plus entrance fee). However if you want to spend a lot of time with the girl the price mounts up. If you want extras like CIM and anal, the price mounts up.

In Thailand there are places that have CIM and anal included for no extra charge.
If you get a 30 min session in FKK, for the same price or less including all costs, you could be with a Thai girl for 90 minutes, perhaps with CIM and anal thrown in, maybe multi shots.
So the big difference is you get more time for your money. No rush.

You can get a Thai girl for the entire night. That would cost you far too much in Europe. Probably 20% of that price in Thailand or less.
You can book a Thai girls for several days straight and take her on a holiday a cost vastly lower than what a Euro chick will cost you.
That way you can be at your favorite holiday destination (in Thailand) or nearby, and have a temporary wife for a few days who provides sex in proper quantities.

30 minute quickie with a girl is never enough for me. Therefore Thai girls can be quite a lot cheaper than FKK girls, especially if I take freelancers in Thailand for say 90 mins. I do like Asian girls. Even in FKK have taken Thai and Philippine girls.

Some mongers in Thailand may pay more than an FKK girl for 30 mins price. It's purely their choice. No one is forcing them. You definitely can get cheaper than FKK when you compare like for like in terms of time and service.
I f you like to take multiple girls for quick sessions in an AO club, you best stay there, as maybe hard to find a Thai equivalent for the right price.

When I first came to Thailand, I had a Thai girl in my bed for the night every night. Never had to sleep alone. These days, I don't need that, but at the time, it was special.

[Crocodilexp]

if you are talking about a destination just to monger, Jakarta has to top Thailand. Of course Thailand is a much better place to hang. Biggest issue with Thailand now is looks.

Looks are indeed notably better in Jakarta than Bangkok mongering scene (not to mention Pattaya, which has mostly dregs, but plenty of them). Unfortunately, overall, I don't find the Jakarta scene particularly appealing. At the lower end (Classic / Travel hotels), service is pretty much appalling, and at the higher end (e. G. Malioboro) the environment is still restrictive and mafia-run. I'd compare them Rachada soapies, which are not my favorite places in Bangkok either -- maybe it's just me, but I prefer more open-ended scene (e.g. freelancers, spots where a girl is at least free to go back to place of your choice if you so desire).

Jakarta has no places comparable to Bangkok PSE oilies like Tulip or Snow White (Maribaya allegedly, but it's not quite in the same league, nor as straightforward). Freelancers are scarce, and ridiculously expensive compared to local salaries (they ask 2 m rupiah overnight, which is pretty a month's rent at an OK place). Oddly enough, I never had truly great service in Jakarta (a few were OK, a few terrible)... maybe I'm going to the wrong places, or unwilling to spend enough.

Jakarta is, however, better than Bangkok for non-prostitute, quality girls, and being a foreigner is still a significant advantage, whereas in Thailand it's a mixed blessing these days.

[Christian G]

In FKK, you get one pop in 30 minutes for $100-130, in BKK, you get 90 to 120 minutes for 2 pop for less than $100.

Jb.

Not need to useless argue FKK vs Thailand but your FKK's price are incorrect, standard 30min in a Germany FKK is 50€ and in some clubs 40€/30 min or 30€/30 min. Only artemis and few clubs other clubs cost 60€ for 30min. Unfortunately FKK have a la carte menu for all extras. IMHO FKK girls win for beauty, but thai girls win for service and perfomance. I'm looking more for perfomance so for me Thai is better, but Germany is only 1 HR flight and 20/30e flight ticket from my country, so easy to spend weekend there.

[Goatscrot]

Goatscot,

I have always found what I believe where stunners in Thailand found in Spasso, Mixx, Lord Massage and G Club Take out. Are you saying there is superior looking Asia girls in China.

If there are I would be very interested to know where? Never really fancied the Chinese chicks, but I could be persuaded to take a short trip to investigate.

Thanks MS.

HK, Shan, Bei, all full of them. I prefer the Chinese look to the Thai look myself. White skin and the pretty ones are well how can I put this, less "simian" looking. I find the gals in the higher end discos in Thailand to be meh at best. Especially for the prices they are asking. China's heyday is really over. They best times were the Chongping days before the crackdown.

[Member #4591]

After seeing a couple of responses to my earlier thread about prices in Bangkok (2000-4000 Baht for full service).

My question is why would I ever go to Thailand for those mongering prices? Please tell me!?

German FKK's have much better line ups (white girls) and are cheaper!

For $130 I can go to the message parlors in San Francisco and get full service.

I can understand if you are close to Thailand geographically but if you are in say the US (California), it doesn't seem like the trip is worth it.


I was always under the impression that Thailand was a big destination for mongering because the currency rate was low and you could get service for a cheap price? Emphasize cheap price.

Not true based on the reports I'm seeing.

I did a backpacking trip to Thailand about 7 years ago and did engage in P4P in a gogo bar for about $120 US. Went to a room around the corner from the bar and popped twice. I remember going into a couple of message parlors and asking about prices and they seemed way to expensive for Thailand. I thing they wanted $150+ for message and full service. I thought this was a 3rd world country?

The USD dollar exchange rate is about 34 Baht for every 1 USD. I normall pay 1900-2500 for 1- 2 hours at a Soapie or oily massage and 2,500-4,000 LT for a freelance or go go girl in Bangkok depending on the girl so let's use the most expensive comparisons.

73.52 USD or 2,500 Baht for a 2 hour massage session with 2 or more pops.

117.63 USD or 4,000 Baht for an all night session with 2 or more pops. 6-12 hours with the lady.

I'm sorry but how do you figure the US or Germany is better?

At the maximum prices I would expect to pay on a regular basis, and the time and service quality I would get, Thailand is far better than any suggestion you can make otherwise. Can you prove me wrong?

What about the cheaper options? What about the atitude of the ladies, length of time, quality of service, variety, opportunities for photos and videos......

Not only are your ideas out of whack but also your conversion from Thai Baht to USD. I guess hence your backpacking trip, that says it all.

[Sunlover2]

For $130 I can go to the message parlors in San Francisco and get full service.

I can understand if you are close to Thailand geographically but if you are in say the US (California), it doesn't seem like the trip is worth it.

Your $130 session in SF is probably rushed (less than 1 hour) and includes only 1 pop.

In Bangkok you can go to a GFE / PSE massage shop and get 2 hours of A+ BBBJ CIM multi-pop service for 2,300 baht ($65).

So in Thailand you get 4 hours of better sex service vs. Your (maybe) 1 hour session in SF. 75% cheaper per hour by my math.

I was always under the impression that Thailand was a big destination for mongering because the currency rate was low and you could get service for a cheap price? Emphasize cheap price.

Not true based on the reports I'm seeing.

This happens fairly frequently. Punters come here with pre-conceived notions which we must disprove, and when informed they stick to their position. Tedious really.

SL.

[ItIsMe83]

I've never been to an FKK, but I can easily answer why I spent more hours in an airplane going to Thailand than would have been necessary going to Germany. I like Thai girls better than German girls. That includes both appearance and personality. I never checked prices, but I'd be willing to bet that your other living expenses in Thailand would be less than Germany (hotel, transportation, food).

My next overseas mongering trip will again be to Thailand.

Well it's not like there are many actual German girls. More so eastern Europeans including their attitudes. Sweet lovely Thai girls will always win.

[TimTimGuy]

. I thought this was a 3rd world country?

Just curious. TTG.

[MagicSheep74]

Goatscot,

I have always found what I believe where stunners in Thailand found in Spasso, Mixx, Lord Massage and G Club Take out. Are you saying there is superior looking Asia girls in China.

If there are I would be very interested to know where? Never really fancied the Chinese chicks, but I could be persuaded to take a short trip to investigate.

Thanks MS.

[HorseTrader]

So, WHY would anyone go to Thailand to pay higher prices then an FKK?

I've never been to an FKK, but I can easily answer why I spent more hours in an airplane going to Thailand than would have been necessary going to Germany. I like Thai girls better than German girls. That includes both appearance and personality. I never checked prices, but I'd be willing to bet that your other living expenses in Thailand would be less than Germany (hotel, transportation, food).

My next overseas mongering trip will again be to Thailand.