Bangkok Reports

[Socker]

My PI flight is delayed and sitting here reading these great post by S. The info in post#s 36490 & 36497 are so full of great insight I had to say thank you. I will save this because there is so much to remember. Thanks much! Flight is finally ready.

[Syzygies]

Twisters is counting on NONE of their bar patrons knowing anything whatsoever about "Coyotes", what Coyotes wear, Thai culture re talking about price or anything else. They are only hoping ALL of them will assume every girl in that place is available for barfine and take-out for sex if you sit for a while, buy her a couple of Ladydrinks and chat her up.

A good number of girls are available. I don't know the exact percentage. Yes a guy could be unlucky and pick the wrong one. This applies to several bars in Nana Plaza. In an ordinary bar with no Coyotes you can still get the wrong girl who won't go for sex for one reason or another. Plenty of hot girls have a pre booking.

I remember buying a drink for Kratae in Crazy House (who looks like Rihanna) and she told me soon enough she would rather go out to a disco. I don't know if she was old enough or not for sex. She soon pissed off to some other customer. She was not a good choice clearly. Luckily did not waste a BF. One drink yes.

As far as I know, none of the girls in the "Arab's" bars are officially available for sex. Not everyone knows this. However you can be done for breaking the law even if you don't know the law. Ignorance is not bliss. Guys really need to find out what is going on.

First thing I do when entering Twisters is to try to find out all the things that are going on there as far as possible in the first visit. More to come in 2nd visit.

How does the newbie tourist know what goes on in these bars. By reading the internet? It should be explaining Coyote girls, surely. If I was a newbie in the bar with my experienced buddy, I am sure I would be asking him if all these girls can be fucked.

My very first bar was in Cowboy and called "Midnite Upstairs" (on the 2nd level) or something like that, 25 years ago and fortunately I was with a buddy who explained everything. He was a relative of the Farang bar manager. I forget the BF price, but first girl for the night cost 500 baht. Another night got one for only 400 baht and was hard to get to her leave my Hotel. She just wanted to stay.

The buddy also showed me the Thermae Coffee shop, the Grace Coffee shop and Massage places attached to each, and Pat Pong bars. Nana Plaza had not really got going yet in those days, if it had started at all.

I went on a whirlwind tour of southern Thailand with some Thai non P4 P friends that I had met in Thai Restaurants in the homeland. The pace was too much, so I soon split with them to have time to see Phuket properly.

[EihTooms]

No she was obviously a Coyote (in Twisters). It was clearly a "Coyote" outfit. She was automatically in the doubtful category. I straight away asked if all the girls here were considered to be Coyotes in Twisters. She answered yes they all were, even those wearing bikinis. I asked the BF price, and she answered 1000 Baht but added that not all girls go with customers. She said she thought there were about 10 girls or so not available. I got it sussed out fairly rapidly, except that I don't know the typical asking price.

It is rude in Thai culture to ask the price of something if you don't intend to buy. Asking the price is considered to be the start of a negotiation. Once you get the girl down to agreed price, you are expected to go through it. Not if you cannot agree on the price of course. I did learn the Coyote girl was married and did not go with customers. I did not check same with other girls since I did not intend to BF them and I did not want to buy them all a drink. Rain check. I had my nice GFE session earlier in an MP (2 hours).

Yes I know guys get taken for a ride. I met an Asian guy in the street (Soi 4), new to Thailand, asking where he could buy souvenirs, who claimed he parted with 8K for a ST. I guess was a Coyote, but did not ask which bar.

If everyone read the forum first, or had an experienced buddy, they might have more clues.

Twisters is counting on NONE of their bar patrons knowing anything whatsoever about "Coyotes", what Coyotes wear, Thai culture re talking about price or anything else. They are only hoping ALL of them will assume every girl in that place is available for barfine and take-out for sex if you sit for a while, buy her a couple of Ladydrinks and chat her up. And on both of those counts, they would likely be 90%+ correct. It is the rare tourist that I meet who even knows there is such a thing as a "Coyote", but they all know you go to Nana Plaza go-go bars to take women out for sex.

My restaurant analogy was quite appropriate and fitting. Such a place would not just be innocently trying to provide a worthwhile service or product and, hey, it's on you if you misunderstood or jumped to a silly conclusion. Nonsense. They would be trying to "Take customers for a ride", which is a scam. And that is what Twisters is up to.

[Member #4591]

You walk into a restaurant, a nice looking place nestled in a row of lovely restaurants known for serving damn good food. You sit down, open the menu and when the waitress comes over you point to the picture of a hamburger and fries. While waiting for your food order to arrive you order an exceptionally expensive imported beer.

Twenty minutes later the waitress comes to your table and plops down a beautiful photo of a hamburger and fries. "What's that?", you ask her. "Oh", she says, "that's what we sell here; photos of food. We don't sell real food here. "

Hey, nobody said Joe's Bar & Grill had to serve actual food, did they? They presented photos of food in their menu, you pointed to a photo of food and, by god, that is what they served you. What's the big deal? But they got your money for that exceptionally expensive beer while you were waiting for it.

Scam or no scam?

You do make some valid points but at the end of the day these bars don't guarantee or advertise that all their ladies do full service but thanks for coming out mate.

[Syzygies]

So your girl walked over to you and said, "Hi, my name is so-and-so, I'm a Coyote and I don't go barfine", before you asked her and before you bought her a Ladydrink?

If not, that Nana Plaza Bangkok go-go bar was trying to scam you.

I signalled I would buy her a drink before any conversation started at all. I liked her fun playful dance style. I wanted to chat to her. I had no intention to BF her.

Girls do not start a conversation with "Hello, I'm not available for fucking". Never ever happened. If you start a conversation, and later suggest to order a drink for her, a percentage will warn you they are not available for sex, or already have a customer booking, but not all. Its probably well under 50% in any bar.

No she was obviously a Coyote (in Twisters). It was clearly a "Coyote" outfit. She was automatically in the doubtful category. I straight away asked if all the girls here were considered to be Coyotes in Twisters. She answered yes they all were, even those wearing bikinis. I asked the BF price, and she answered 1000 Baht but added that not all girls go with customers. She said she thought there were about 10 girls or so not available. I got it sussed out fairly rapidly, except that I don't know the typical asking price.

It is rude in Thai culture to ask the price of something if you don't intend to buy. Asking the price is considered to be the start of a negotiation. Once you get the girl down to agreed price, you are expected to go through it. Not if you cannot agree on the price of course. I did learn the Coyote girl was married and did not go with customers. I did not check same with other girls since I did not intend to BF them and I did not want to buy them all a drink. Rain check. I had my nice GFE session earlier in an MP (2 hours).

Yes I know guys get taken for a ride. I met an Asian guy in the street (Soi 4), new to Thailand, asking where he could buy souvenirs, who claimed he parted with 8K for a ST. I guess was a Coyote, but did not ask which bar.

If everyone read the forum first, or had an experienced buddy, they might have more clues.

Banana Boi clearly got burned though. I wasn't exactly watching, but he indicated the girl downed the drink in two gulps and pissed off rapidly when he didn't want to buy another one immediately. Also he had the girl who did not say a word. Possibly did not speak English. My girl stayed with me. She did not even go dance on her rotation, since she said there were enough girls on the stage. I liked her. She seemed honest enough girl to me. I did not detect any bullshit.

[Syzygies]

Analogies are the device of weak minds, when it comes to proving something. For proof, they do nothing, they merely illustrate how you feel about a situation.

[EihTooms]

There is no scam there.

You walk into a restaurant, a nice looking place nestled in a row of lovely restaurants known for serving damn good food. You sit down, open the menu and when the waitress comes over you point to the picture of a hamburger and fries. While waiting for your food order to arrive you order an exceptionally expensive imported beer.

Twenty minutes later the waitress comes to your table and plops down a beautiful photo of a hamburger and fries. "What's that?", you ask her. "Oh", she says, "that's what we sell here; photos of food. We don't sell real food here. "

Hey, nobody said Joe's Bar & Grill had to serve actual food, did they? They presented photos of food in their menu, you pointed to a photo of food and, by god, that is what they served you. What's the big deal? But they got your money for that exceptionally expensive beer while you were waiting for it.

Scam or no scam?

[EihTooms]

ROFLMAO. It is very well known that Coyote girls in the bars are not necessarily barfinable, and even if BFable are not necessarily available for sex.

So your girl walked over to you and said, "Hi, my name is so-and-so, I'm a Coyote and I don't go barfine", before you asked her and before you bought her a Ladydrink?

If not, that Nana Plaza Bangkok go-go bar was trying to scam you.

[Syzygies]

You are missing the point my man. All the time she was in the lobby she thought I was upstairs in that hotel. She did not believe my story of not being home and had no idea I was lieing about my hotel. As soon as I told her the fake hotel name, she was off to my location with no notice. I hope that's clearer for you my man. When we are goona have that beer by the way?

Yes okay I did miss that point. I am not the most intuitive. I assumed the Hotel would have said straight off, no such customer, but they may have stubbornly believed you were definitely there. LOL I will PM you.

[Member #4591]

So it is not totally evident if the cop was fake or real. Could be either. I presume the girl would have been in an illegal category, to make the situation more serious.

Scams with Police involvement at Airports have been reported too. Cops have been known to enter someone's house to search for drugs, and then plant the drugs. People having drugs planted in their bag is a well known big problem. So Thailand is very unsafe place for getting set up by real police. You have the well known Koh Tao murders case.

Always useful to be as anonymous as possible in Thailand.

Can't you just block a We Chat contact so you don't receive messages or calls? I don't use We Chat so I don't know.

I used to maintain two phone numbers. One for normal use, and another for the monger phone. This is probably a useful idea to avoid having to change your main phone number too often due to problems. I have a phone that takes two SIM cards as well.

You are missing the point my man. All the time she was in the lobby she thought I was upstairs in that hotel. She did not believe my story of not being home and had no idea I was lieing about my hotel. As soon as I told her the fake hotel name, she was off to my location with no notice. I hope that's clearer for you my man. When we are goona have that beer by the way?

[Member #4591]

Yes, and if Johnny Depp convinced Kate Middleton, The Dutchess of Canbridge, that one ST with him would "solve world hunger", that would be a done deal too. Why confine it to just working girls? EVERY woman and EVERY man has a price that, if met, ST would be a done deal.

But that isn't really what we're talking about here, right? The mamasan says those particular girls don't go barfine. You want to be the grand exception by coughing up enough baht and lowering expectations to bare bones conditions until you finally get an "ok" from her and the girl? Be my guest. Otherwise, it is a scam to have girls who even the mamasan says will not go barfine in a Nana Plaza Bangkok go-go bar where for decades everyone has known the norm is you pay a barfine and take a girl to a room for sex and the expectation is not that you will buy her Ladydrinks just for a pleasant chat.

There is no scam there.

[Syzygies]

The mamasan says those particular girls don't go barfine. You want to be the grand exception by coughing up enough baht and lowering expectations to bare bones conditions until you finally get an "ok" from her and the girl? Be my guest. Otherwise, it is a scam to have girls who even the mamasan says will not go barfine in a Nana Plaza Bangkok go-go bar where the norm has been you pay a barfine and take a girl to a room for sex for decades and everyone knows it.

ROFLMAO. It is very well known that Coyote girls in the bars are not necessarily barfinable, and even if BFable are not necessarily available for sex.

So why do think they are designated as Coyotes and dress like Coyotes, when they don't know how to dance like Coyotes? Simply because they may not be BFable or because BF is higher. You can label it a scam, but others don't see it. You alone should have the right to fuck every girl you want.

Bargirls have had the right to refuse to fuck a guy, if they don't like him. They can refuse much more easily than MP girls. I always politely ask the girl first if she wants to go with me. Occasionally they do not. In case of Coyotes, if I really fancied them, I would be wise to ask if they BFable and will they go for sex, and what is the price range, since I don't necessarily expect them to go for bottom dollar.

Girls that fuck, have right to reject arrogant assholes too. Cannot just pay the money and be a "done deal".

A very significant portion of customers in the bar will not take any girl to fuck, the girl does not initially know what the customer is looking for.

Ordinary bargirls could be having a period, have a medical problem etc. , maybe waiting for customer who will arrive in 15 minutes time. May not always be available to fuck. It's wise to check the situation.

Buying a girl a drink is not an automatic pass to fuck her for whatever you think she is worth. Even paying the BF does not guarantee a fuck. It allows her to get changed and leave the bar with you or sit with you without dancing. Separate negotiation is required for the sex, ST or LT.

Guys have been known to BF a Coyote girl late when the BF price drops and take her out to a disco or club, or restaurant even she does not officially go for sex. I don't know if these girls later change their minds and fuck or not. Palm who used to work at Mercury had plenty of customers like that, she was just so hot and pretty. These customers came for her only. I did not ever get round to BFing her myself. Obviously I wanted to fuck her but did not get a chance to and don't know if she was persuadable. I did fuck Anna another Coyote in there, who was a real go-er on the bed and the best Coyote dancer in the bar (also did her in her Midnite days a few years before). She clearly was available for sex. Both girls are gone now. Some Coyotes in there can be fucked, for sure. The normal gogo girls in there are mostly too pudgy for me (but Indians seem to generally like more meat on the girls).

Sure I don't like it when hot Coyote girls have a husband and are not available to fuck. However I have to accept that they have a right to work in a non sex role. They are not sex slaves that can be just bought and sold. Girls must maintain the right to choose what they do and what they don't do for money or otherwise.

Girls have to right to refuse to fuck Arrogant Assholes too. You can't just pay the money and expect them to be a "done deal".

[EihTooms]

I disagree. If the right punter and offer came around, it would be a done deal but a scam its not. Is there a sign at Nana and Soi Cowboy that says every girl working there is avalable for full service? I think not. WE punters have got it in our minds that this is true.

Yes, and if Johnny Depp convinced Kate Middleton, The Dutchess of Canbridge, that one ST with him would "solve world hunger", that would be a done deal too. Why confine it to just working girls? EVERY woman and EVERY man has a price that, if met, ST would be a done deal.

But that isn't really what we're talking about here, right? The mamasan says those particular girls don't go barfine. You want to be the grand exception by coughing up enough baht and lowering expectations to bare bones conditions until you finally get an "ok" from her and the girl? Be my guest. Otherwise, it is a scam to have girls who even the mamasan says will not go barfine in a Nana Plaza Bangkok go-go bar where for decades everyone has known the norm is you pay a barfine and take a girl to a room for sex and the expectation is not that you will buy her Ladydrinks just for a pleasant chat.

[Syzygies]

. Next was a photo of a Thai man in a police uniform talking to the reception in the hotel. What transpired from then on was many black mail attempts. At the end of the day, she left the hotel lobby with the fake cope empty handed.

So it is not totally evident if the cop was fake or real. Could be either. I presume the girl would have been in an illegal category, to make the situation more serious.

Scams with Police involvement at Airports have been reported too. Cops have been known to enter someone's house to search for drugs, and then plant the drugs. People having drugs planted in their bag is a well known big problem. So Thailand is very unsafe place for getting set up by real police. You have the well known Koh Tao murders case.

Always useful to be as anonymous as possible in Thailand.

Can't you just block a We Chat contact so you don't receive messages or calls? I don't use We Chat so I don't know.

I used to maintain two phone numbers. One for normal use, and another for the monger phone. This is probably a useful idea to avoid having to change your main phone number too often due to problems. I have a phone that takes two SIM cards as well.

[Blanquiceleste]

These last few weeks I been trying out a new concept and it has been so far working great.

I simply love this concept BKKDog. Most guys on the forum would have stopped reading after they read the title - 10K date nite. It simply goes to show that every girl has a price. And with some game, even the haughtiest of girls will see the light.

I would say this applies to the girls at Thermae also. IMHO the rejection of non-Asians at Thermae is strongly correlated to how much they are willing to pay or not pay. The girls at Thermae simply are making more money by going out with the Asian monger who is probably spending a lot more than the average farang.

I think people have to wake up and smell the lemongrass and galangal. Girls want a better lifestyle. They are not content with just sending subsistence money to their families in Isaan. A girl today wants the latest phones and gadgets, expensive jewelry, branded clothes and accessories, a car, exotic holidays and a healthy bank balance where her tits reach her knees. So if mongers want poontang from Thermae or from anywhere else they are getting rejections, they simply need to loosen their purse strings and not be sore about it. And if a guy across the street is doing it, they should watch and learn rather than simply flaming them for "overpaying".

More power to you!