Bangkok Reports

[Member #4591]

I'm always getting PM's asking where to go when the window of time is very short. This is my idea for a PM I received recently. Arrive early Friday morning at 2:00 AM. Check in at Nana hotel. I should have pre-booked an outcall massage but I don't want any disappointments or surprises so me and my buddy quickly check-in, got for a quick shower, dress up respectfully, and put on the cologne. We head out onto the town. While passing by the countless street girls we contemplate choosing one but we are scared of being robbed because street girls are working there for a reason. We head over to Climax on Soi 11 or Insanity on Soi 12. The working girls can be seen dancing and and we can chat them up and choose the one we like the best. They are already drunk and can easily agree to our offers. Hop in a taxi and back to the hotel. 9 AM we hop out of bed, wake the girl up, pay her and kick her out.

Friday 11:00 AM- After a long flight and a night of action you take a quick shower and head down Soi 4. Stop at one of the many restaurants for a good hearty breakfast. When finished you and your friend walk 5 minutes down the road to Annie's. You and him choose the friendliest looking girls, pay the 2,500 upfront and head in. The next two hours you will spend in soapy heaven with 2 shots, one in the tub and one on the bed.

Friday afternoon and Evening- Next you are dead tired so after Annie's you head back to the hotel for a nap. Wake up around 7, shower, and head out. You grab a burger across from your hotel in front of Nana plaza and then go on in. You poke your head in Rainbow 4 and you are stunned by all the hotties but the door man tells you that you cannot go in unless you pay 1,000 baht entry. You decline and move on to Angel witch. You see many awesome girls dancing half nude or even nude sometimes. You sit back and enjoy the famous shows they have. A beautiful girl catches your eye, you call her over and buy her a drink. Oh wait I think you get the point now. LOL. The rest will be a shorter version. You and your buddy bar fine 2 ladies 2,500ST. After this head over to Soi Cowboy and go on into Crazy Horse (House). Stunned by all the girls you and your buddy bar fine 2 girls LT.

Saturday- You do a full day of Oilies- Mango in the morning at 11, Snow white in the afternoon, and Nateree in the early evening. After a few hours sleep you head out to The Pimp gentlemen's club. You are exhausted from the day's activities so you chill with the hot girls. At 2:00 AM you get your second wind and try to take one of these hotties home. She quotes 6,000ST. You think for a minute and you and your buddy decide to go back to the hotel and sleep off the day's activities. But then at the last minute you detour and head over to Soi 11 Climax. You run into the same girls from before and decide to swap this time with your buddy.

Sunday morning- wake up exhausted, do one last session at Annie's, pack your stuff and head to the airport. Wait we forgot the white girls. Oh well. Who wants to go to Thailand to meet white girls anyways.

[Wolvenvacht]

Maybe its my age (my profiles say I am 51, but my photos show a younger guy- who is not me LOL).

Really? I don't think that is a good idea to realize your plans. What respect can you expect if you sail under a false flag? If she doesn't care then she is likely either blind, a hardened pro only interested in the money or a desperate girl.

We here complain about "bait and switch" or even photo-shopped pictures on the websites of the oilies, soapies or escort-agencies, but obviously this is a one way street only it seems.

[Syzygies]

I am going to BKK with a few friends in January, and I want to hire a girl to hang out with me during my stay. My goal is to have a beautiful young Thai who would have sex with me when I was horny, like in the morning, might leave to have some private time during the day while I am working, and then return at night to go to dinner, clubs, music etc. I like to hunt for girls, and a good girl could help me put together threesomes and (if she has friends) maybe some group sex stuff with one of my friends.

Yes its possible but rather difficult to find, since you want a horny bisexual girl, and certainly not for $100 per day. Try 200 plus for a beautiful girl (less for an ugly one). You could get an Escort for 10000 Baht per day, but I haven't tried this method as yet. Anyway, as other poster mentioned, its too soon and you have to find the right one yourself.

I always approach these things gradually. Like firstly take a girl short time. If that is great consider moving to all night. If that is great several times, then consider moving to a multi-day booking. You really need good chemistry for it to work that well, in my opinion. Without this approach, how do you know you have the right girl?

[HotShaneHot]

Could not agree with this post more. There are fewer gals working in the P4 P industry. I don't think that can even be challenged. "Regular" girls also have much higher expectations than they used to, and that goes whether they are dating Thai dudes or Farangs. They tend to want to be with guys from their own age group as well. That being said, if you are a young good looking fellow there are plenty of "hook up" opportunities. And if you have not noticed, lots more young farang guys in BKK these days. Lots more. I was in Pattaya a couple of weekends ago and ventured into the discos. What a shocker that was. They gals were focused on the young guys, and again, there were lots of them. Older guys just looked completely out of place.

One poster spoke about the possibility of meeting FLs on the BTS. While I don't doubt this is possible, I would never do this. I have seen middle aged and older farangs approach gals in this manner and frankly I am always embarrassed for them, no matter whether the gal is really a FL or just a regular gal. The discomfort the gal feels if she is not a P4 P gal is also quite evident. When you see the looks on the other passenger's faces you realize why some have the attitude they do about middle aged and older farang men. There is a time and place for everything.

It would be great if BKK had 141 type action. I doubt it will. Why? I just can't see apts or condos putting up with a stream of random men going in and out. That just wouldn't fly here.

So true I have been seeing lots more young guys in Udon then before maybe 2 months ago I was with one of my girlfriends she is 19.

And as we eat breakfast a group of young men come in to eat too.

Her eyes lit up and she said to me yummy yummy I want it was so funny.

Hots

[Syzygies]

When you learn that some girls do self barfine for a night out (or more) with friends, you understand that some have less pressure than before to earn money.

Yes, however girls still have to get the rent money. Even dick scared girls are not refusing me when they need money for rent badly. Girls could possibly not afford to BF themselves much 10 years ago. Barfines have not risen that much. 500 up to 600 (or 700) is not a steep rise. Other girls don't worry and are resigned to losing their entire monthly salary in fines for no show or late arrival. They don't care as they live off drink commissions and STs with customer. So although taking many nights off, they still have to go with customers. If they are popular enough, they can be quite choosy. Depends on the demand for them. Some girls get Barfined every single night without fail, even within 30 minutes of opening time, and get multiple customers per night. Others struggle. Other girls are diligent and want their full monthly salary.

However 10 years ago, I still found girls that were choosy about going with a customer. I happened to like one girl who was a professional dancer and rarely went with customers at all. She claimed to like Teddy Bear like guys. I wasn't her type. There was no price negotiation. Some girls like younger guys. One girl at Long Gun was my friend but consistently refused to go with me. Eventually agreed to go with me but was crap in bed, so I should have accepted her reluctance. Unfortunately I wanted her, because she was a tall stunner, fabulous body and face. However learn the lesson.

Now I am 10 years older, I do not get knocked back any more than before. I probably look about 50 or so now. Could help that I lost weight, I don't know. One dancer at Crazy House, "Kaafae" (Coffee) say she would prefer to go to a disco. Maybe was her period, or she heard rumours about me from other girls. She probably likes to fuck young guys. Whatever, but generally very few knockbacks. If a girl is not that keen, fine, find another one. Crazy House has plenty to choose from.

I would obviously get a lot of knockbacks if I tried to be really stingy. So maybe some guys are getting knock backs for that reason in particular, that they just don't want to pay what the girls expects, compared to 10 years ago.

[HotShaneHot]

Good points. I need to put my search away for about 4 months. And no, I was not planning to pay this year what I paid two years ago (I will pay whatever seems to be the going rate). And yes, the country is a challenge because it is indeed a crazy place.

Nevertheless, I would welcome suggestions for an effective strategy. I will let you know if things work out.

I think it's better to wait to you get there you will find a girl that can do all you ask in the first night and only 2,000 Bart per day.

Some girls are only going with man 2 days in every week so if she can get 2000 a day she will do it.

I would start off at the beer garden Soi 7.

Also try Thai friendly on Line and get badoo app on phone before you go.

Hots

[Member #4643]

I think you have a few things working against you here. Looking 5 months in advance is basically purposeless as most ladies are looking for NOW and will dismiss you as a fantasy chat wanker. 3,500 baht per day is not a "nice fee" for a "beautiful Thai woman" to agree to the services you described. And January will be high season so the better ladies will be in high demand.

But I wish you luck as this is crazy Thailand we are talking about after all, and please let us know how you make out.

SL.

Good points. I need to put my search away for about 4 months. And no, I was not planning to pay this year what I paid two years ago (I will pay whatever seems to be the going rate). And yes, the country is a challenge because it is indeed a crazy place.

Nevertheless, I would welcome suggestions for an effective strategy. I will let you know if things work out.

[Sunlover2]

I am going to BKK with a few friends in January, and I want to hire a girl to hang out with me during my stay. My goal is to have a beautiful young Thai who would have sex with me when I was horny, like in the morning, might leave to have some private time during the day while I am working, and then return at night to go to dinner, clubs, music etc. I like to hunt for girls, and a good girl could help me put together threesomes and (if she has friends) maybe some group sex stuff with one of my friends.

I have done this before, but it seems harder to find girls in the old locations. In the past, I used DIA and Tagged, and found one or two willing ladies to keep me company for about $100 USA per day. Now, it seems that no one really wants to discuss getting down with me. Maybe its my age (my profiles say I am 51, but my photos show a younger guy- who is not me LOL). But then again, it was easier only 2 years ago.

Can anyone recommend a better web site for me than DIA or Tagged for finding a semi-pro or even a non hardened pro willing to keep me company for a nice fee?

Any advice would be appreciated. Many thanks! F.

I think you have a few things working against you here. Looking 5 months in advance is basically purposeless as most ladies are looking for NOW and will dismiss you as a fantasy chat wanker. 3,500 baht per day is not a "nice fee" for a "beautiful Thai woman" to agree to the services you described. And January will be high season so the better ladies will be in high demand.

But I wish you luck as this is crazy Thailand we are talking about after all, and please let us know how you make out.

SL.

[Golfinho]

I am going to BKK with a few friends in January, and I want to hire a girl to hang out with me during my stay. My goal is to have a beautiful young Thai who would have sex with me when I was horny, like in the morning, might leave to have some private time during the day while I am working, and then return at night to go to dinner, clubs, music etc. I like to hunt for girls, and a good girl could help me put together threesomes and (if she has friends) maybe some group sex stuff with one of my friends. Any advice would be appreciated. Many thanks! F.

Goal: Fantasyland!

[Run Mann]

Can anyone recommend a better web site for me than DIA or Tagged for finding a semi-pro or even a non hardened pro willing to keep me company for a nice fee?

Any advice would be appreciated. Many thanks! F.

Try the obvious one, craigslist.

[Member #4643]

I am going to BKK with a few friends in January, and I want to hire a girl to hang out with me during my stay. My goal is to have a beautiful young Thai who would have sex with me when I was horny, like in the morning, might leave to have some private time during the day while I am working, and then return at night to go to dinner, clubs, music etc. I like to hunt for girls, and a good girl could help me put together threesomes and (if she has friends) maybe some group sex stuff with one of my friends.

I have done this before, but it seems harder to find girls in the old locations. In the past, I used DIA and Tagged, and found one or two willing ladies to keep me company for about $100 USA per day. Now, it seems that no one really wants to discuss getting down with me. Maybe its my age (my profiles say I am 51, but my photos show a younger guy- who is not me LOL). But then again, it was easier only 2 years ago.

Can anyone recommend a better web site for me than DIA or Tagged for finding a semi-pro or even a non hardened pro willing to keep me company for a nice fee?

Any advice would be appreciated. Many thanks! F.

[Ixgzca]

Ten years ago any farang, even older and overwight, could pretty much walk in a gogo and ask the prettiest girl in the gogo to join him for a drink. You could wave the girl over or have waitress or mamasan get her to come to your table. After a few minutes it was no problem taking her ST or LT. Those days are gone. The girl now chooses the customer and the old guys like me no longer have access to the best in the bar. Also many girls at the top go gos won't even go to the hotel for ST. They want to use a nearby ST hotel. I really believe there has been a serious decline in the monger experience.

Meh, times change. You'll have to go somewhere somewhere cheaper if you don't want to be turned down. As mentioned girls were a lot more desperate in the past but, now they have more opportunities. I prefer this as I spend little to no money on girls who see themselves as independent and I really have no desire to see anyone or any country be held back from advancing. In my lineup I currently have a Mango girl, a retired Snow White girl, a retired Tulip girl, the receptionist from my gym, a private business owner, a college student, an over 18 high school student, a model, a traveling salesman and many other girls that I spend no money on. They spend time with me and fuck me because for whatever reason, they like me. You may have to adjust your methods if you still want to have all the hot girls. All the hot girls are still around but, how you get to them is a little different now.

[BionicMan]

I don't agree. I did experience knock backs 10 years ago. It hasn't got worse. Maybe 20 years ago girls were not supposed to refuse a customer. I am not sure.
.. To me bargirls have always had ability to refuse sex or to set a high price. In very old times the girls may have needed the money more desperately.

When you learn that some girls do self barfine for a night out (or more) with friends, you understand that some have less pressure than before to earn money.

[EihTooms]

My observation has been the ratio of hot and available FLs, go-go dancers, beer bar girls, and so on to customers offering to take them is the same today as it was 20 years ago when I made my first trips to Thailand; there are many more of those girls available than there are those customers. That's the ratio. More hot girls than there are customers to keep them busy. That has always been the ratio. It is as much a buyer's market today as ever. Maybe more so. At 1:15 AM Nana Plaza closing time last night there were dozens of young, slender, cute or pretty FLs lined up and down Soi 3 waiting for any customer of virtually any age and body-to-weight proportions to stop and talk with them, ask them to do a Short Time. Standing there with a buddy for at least 20 minutes watching a non-stop flow of men of all ages passing by, I rarely saw a man stop to engage or to even say Hello to one of those FLs. I was one of them. I got the biggest smile from one of the cutest girls I've ever seen working the street, an introduction, she held my hand unwilling to let go and virtually begged me to take her for the Short Time or Long Time, my choice.

I thanked her, apologized for not taking her this night and moved on. That's right. I didn't take one of those girls either. Why? Because my friend wanted to go to Thermae for the first time and see what was on tap there. Since his time was limited and he would be flying out of Thailand in a day or two, I wanted to go wherever he wanted to go. The girl who tried to nab me didn't go into details about "how much?" and I didn't bring it up either. Unless I am actually ready to take a girl on the spot, I don't like to get into discussions of things like how much, how long or what's on the agenda. I feel the best time to bring up that stuff is when she is up on her toes ready to be kissed, so to speak, not as some sort of general survey on a night when I know I won't be taking her anyway. But I have no reason to believe this girl would have stood her ground for more than about 1500 baht - 2000 baht for Short Time. She was young and cute enough to get it. Some of the others would have gone for less I believe. But there were definitely some cuties there waiting to be taken but without any takers.

At Thermae, I saw a lovely young lady with light skin, light brown hair, near perfect face and teeth, a super sweet smile, and fantastic legs standing in the line up on the right side, I put down my ice tea no lemon no sugar within minutes of sitting on a stool to check out the talent, stepped over to say Hello, exchange names and, all in English, asked if she was interested in Long Time or just Short Time. She smiled broadly and said, "up to you". I could tell she was hesitating on the Long Time vs Short Time question because we hadn't mentioned anything about money. So I broke the tension by asking her what she wanted for Long Time. She asked for 5000 baht if we did Long Time, I countered with 4000 baht if she stayed until at least 10 AM. She happily agreed and off we went.

It was one of the best first nights with a FL or, for that matter, any P4P girl I've ever had. Well worth the 4000 baht for Long Time that I slipped into her folded clothing the next morning. When she came out of the shower to collect it, she came up to me, hugged me and asked, "Is this for me? Karp khun mak ka!" And when I walked her out, I did not give her more for taxi, just for the hell of it or for any other reason. I had given her 4000 baht as agreed upon in the bar, no more. She was thrilled, must have texted me back 15 times thanking me and hoping I come see her again sometime. Maybe I should have offered her only 2000 baht for Long Time. LOL. No way. This girl was easily one of the 10 best looking girls in Thermae out of at least 80 at that hour.

When she and I walked out of Thermae, hand in hand, there were still at least those 80 other girls, the vast majority of them being more than decent, even very hot girls standing around without a customer, no approaches, no offers. Just like the dozen or more young girls standing outside Nana Plaza a half hour earlier.

And there were also tons of hot go-go dancers walking out of Nana Plaza area at closing time without a customer in hand. I realize they might have had two or more Short Times earlier that evening. But at closing time, which on this night was only 1:15 AM, the vast majority of them had no customer. Maybe some went to after hours bars to scrounge up a customer, I don't know.

A quick overview; I am a 62 year old white guy from the USA. I would not be mistaken for Johnny Depp or Leonardo DiCaprio. But my weight is fairly proportionate to my height with at least an extra few kilos I should not be carrying around. Keeping from packing on many more kilos than that is not much to ask of yourself if you really want to boff and get blown by hot young girls who are often 1/3 your age at retirement, IMO.

I have observed this same scenario almost every night for the past several years that I have lived in Bangkok. Girls, girls, girls, as good looking as I have ever seen working the P4P business in Bangkok, available and waiting to be taken, but no man approaches, no man makes an offer for long stretches of time, sometimes hours. I see no reason in the world that a 50+ year old customer, even with no game at all, would have to go to bed any night of the week in Bangkok without having fucked or been blown by one of these many, many young girls to be seen all over the place, all the P4P venues and everywhere else in the city.

However, I agree that there are fewer FLs standing around the usual haunts. But that takes me back to my original point; that, now as always, there are more available girls than there are interested customers. There is no reason for 10,000 more girls to bus down from the outlying provinces or BTS in from the poorer areas of Bangkok to stand next to girls who are already standing there for hours at a time without a customer. There aren't enough paying customers to justify an influx of more girls.

I suppose we could argue about which came first, the fewer girls or the fewer customers. But I put it on there being fewer customers, fewer men with the gumption, money or both to plan a trip, buy an airline ticket and show up. I have no doubt that if 20,000 more interested customers showed up next month, so many that all of the decent girls in town were truly gone and nowhere to be found after 8 PM, the following month 40,000 more girls from outlying provinces and other areas of Bangkok who, after hearing all about it, would start showing up to capitalize on the opportunity. But as long as there isn't an abundance of paying customers relative to a paltry few decent or hot girls and instead the ratio is the other way around, there is no incentive for even more girls to show up and stand on Sukhumvit Road in the heat and rain for hours at a time playing Candy Crush on their smartphones.

[Syzygies]

Ten years ago any farang, even older and overwight, could pretty much walk in a gogo and ask the prettiest girl in the gogo to join him for a drink. You could wave the girl over or have waitress or mamasan get her to come to your table. After a few minutes it was no problem taking her ST or LT. Those days are gone. The girl now chooses the customer and the old guys like me no longer have access to the best in the bar. Also many girls at the top go gos won't even go to the hotel for ST. They want to use a nearby ST hotel. I really believe there has been a serious decline in the monger experience.

I don't agree. I did experience knock backs 10 years ago. It hasn't got worse. Maybe 20 years ago girls were not supposed to refuse a customer. I am not sure.

Better to get a knock back than a starfish or dick scared girl.

In distant past I can recall girls looking miserable to have been barfined by an asshole type of customer.

To me bargirls have always had ability to refuse sex or to set a high price. In very old times the girls may have needed the money more desperately.