Bangkok Reports

[Paul Kausch]

I am coming to BKK next month for a few days. I would really like to find a pretty, sexy FL between the ages of 27-35 or so for multiple encounters during those days. I didn't realize that massage girls are allowed to leave the shop, but that takes a few visits I suspect.

I am open to suggestions of where the most likely places to meet this "type". Not looking for a Nana Plaza SW type, but more of then FL as opposed to a Gogo girl.

In the FWIW category, I did read the forum a while back, and saw the review of the Bier Garden, still not sure what time of day would lend itself to pulling the best catch from there.

Sky

Many of the oily massage parlors who cater to farangs offer outcall. Many of these offer overnight outcall. No special relationship with the venue or the ladies is required. First time customers are welcome. Different MPs have different policies. At Bamboo the girl may leave at 9pm and stay with you until the next morning. At Annie's and the Dr. BJ establishments the outcall starts at 4-5pm; the girl will say with you until the next morning and may stay with you until she has to be at work, which may not be until late afternoon. There should be no problem booking her for several days if you like her. If my first outcall with a lady goes well I will often book a repeat. I often find the repeat is even better. I believe the ladies appreciate that you want to be with them again.

Ladies can also be found in the various bars around lower Sukhumvit. Bier Garten is one popular venue. Much is written about it on ISG. At one time Gulliver's on Soi 5 was also popular. Some of the ladies you meet in these venues would be interested in a long term engagement.

A third option is to search Thai dating websites like Thai Love Links. I know people who have had success finding attractive ladies on these websites. I haven't used them. I'm too lazy to spend time finding a lady, getting to know her, confirming that she is as she represents herself, etcetera. You can find pros, semi-pros and non-pros on these websites.

Escort agencies also offer ladies for multiple day bookings. Though many give a price break for long bookings, this is still an expensive option.

[BionicMan]

In the FWIW category, I did read the forum a while back, and saw the review of the Bier Garden, still not sure what time of day would lend itself to pulling the best catch from there.

Sky

Beergarden is hit and miss. You have more choice in the evening but also more punters taking the girls away at that time.

I have seen good ones also at 2pm.

Let's say Beergarden or Gulliver are a sort of FL market with a possibility to check potential chemistry, far better than picking up a girl from the street, where you seal the deal in 50" unless you stare at the girl, from somewhere like a weirdo and check on her (but still not talk to her).

At BG you can share a drink or two together and then part way if you don't feel she is ok for you.

Same as in a normal bar, but her drinks are not called LD and there is no BF.

[BionicMan]

The discussion about each person, got me thinking about how I have changed my search style over the past few years. I was a die hard Gogo guy, but enjoyed the massage experience as well. I have never had an escort agency girl in Bangkok.

Sky

If we make a very strong and basic generalization, oilie and soapie girls perform through their body, and servicing. That is where they main skills are and that is why one goes there. Not for the eye candy, not for the drinks, not for the music or the ambiance.

Whereas gogo girls, IMHO, are there to "entertain" with their beauty and presence. Watching other girls, etc. This is why they also get money through LD: they spend time with you and must see it rewarded.

The material world we live in then transforms this entertainment into "will you barfine me?" quick question at the first LD. To the happiness of the bar as anyhow, on principle, it has far more girls than customers, and it earns, through the BF, more than the revenue from drinks, in a comparable period of time.

On the other hand, whilst it is in the menu, I don't think oilies are happy of LT take aways of their girls as diminishes the work force.

A bit easier in those soapies where the line up or fishbowl usually sees at least 15/20 girls at the other side of the "mirror", so 2-3 being away, if they are not the top girls, is not a drama.

This is why there are more starfish or disappointments from gogo girls than oilie girls.

A non well performing olie girl will not survive long in the MP.

[Sky Ryder]

The discussion about each person, got me thinking about how I have changed my search style over the past few years. I was a die hard Gogo guy, but enjoyed the massage experience as well. I have never had an escort agency girl in Bangkok. So cannot speak to that. I am finding that I do not enjoy the Gogo's, mostly because of what I perceive as a bad attitiude, so the Mp's are getting more of my business these days. The comments are spot on. Massage girls tend to be a little warmer IMHO, plus they know how / where to touch a man.

The best night I have ever experienced in BKK is still a night at a G club, which I cannot remember the name, but I remember everything about the girl. I was shocked when she asked if I would wait for her to finish work, so she could go home with me. She is probably one of the 10 most beautiful girls I have ever been with, but made love like an ugly girl trying to make sure you asked out again. Whew. Unfortunately it was to be only one night. She has long since changed her number and I suspect is some lucky guy's full time companion.

Anyway, my question to the board since I cannot send PM's to a couple of you is this.

I am coming to BKK next month for a few days. I would really like to find a pretty, sexy FL between the ages of 27-35 or so for multiple encounters during those days. I didn't realize that massage girls are allowed to leave the shop, but that takes a few visits I suspect.

I am open to suggestions of where the most likely places to meet this "type". Not looking for a Nana Plaza SW type, but more of then FL as opposed to a Gogo girl.

In the FWIW category, I did read the forum a while back, and saw the review of the Bier Garden, still not sure what time of day would lend itself to pulling the best catch from there.

TIA, and I appreciate the response to my hotel inquiry. It helped me make my decision.

Sky

[Syzygies]

Sorry, I didn't make myself clear. I was comparing the bar girls to the MP girls. I book an escort because she speaks English well, shows up for the date well-dressed and very put together, knows how to conduct herself in social situations; and she offers good to great sex. I like some of the MP girls for outcall. The better ones are a good alternative to an escort.

If I lived in Bangkok or spent a lot of time there, and especially if I spoke decent Thai I expect I'd cultivate relationships with good bar girls and have a very different opinion. I have met some bar girls whom I quite liked. I just haven't met that many of them.

Yes okay I haven't met that many MP girls good enough to bother with outcall either. In the old days I used to take Soapy girls for unofficial outcall all night or sometimes even several days. This was good because they would not tell the shop anything other than away sick. You then were only paying the girl. I don't really do it any more.

Oily MP girls are problematic for outcall, because you have to figure out how much is the shops cut, and then how much tip is needed for the girl. No point unless she is really hot and really worth it. Its much simpler to take a bargirl for the whole night. Its simply a case of reaching a good understanding. I never do it if I don't know the girl well, I. E. Always ST first up and then consider extending if agreeable to all parties.

Yes it must help being able to speak Thai. Also I am very well known in certain bars. The staff can be helpful then with information about various girls.

The very best bar girls have no difficulty in getting plenty of STs or LTs as they desire. So I always collect phone numbers and ring to book them ahead. The No. 1 girl in Suzie Wong, Noo Dee is very hard to get to without pre-bookings or get extremely lucky. The No. 1 girl in Doll House Noi is not quite as heavily booked but comes close. I have been struggling to get to May in Crazy House, so I am guessing she has quickly become very popular and booked up. She seems to be missing a lot, even on a Saturday night. The No. 1 girl pointed out to me in Baccara some time back was not even slightly interesting to my taste. Definitely must have been a Japanese frequent pick. There is only one girl I like at Long Gun, and probably not to everyone's taste as brown skinned and slightly broad nose (actually she is not from Isaan LOL). I like just one girl in Spankies, and have not found anyone else worth repeating in Nana recently. So I am agreeing that really great girls for looks and fun are a bit scarce in the bars. Moderate looks and fun, can find several in Suzie Wong alone.

The very best looking girls in Soapies can be very difficult to get to as well (pre-bookings) and in very high price brackets. In Oilies the very best looking girls hardly exist at all. Gaew is gone from Pink now, and Bai Fern did not last long at Yoremichi, and Angie did not stay long at Cherry. Was disappointing to lose June and Bo (Cherry) recently too. I have met a few reasonably nice looking girls in Soi 24/1 recently, but nothing in the really top bracket for both face and body. I will keep trying.

I think I understand that most guys in Oilies, are accepting looks that are just not good enough for me. Its a lot easier to sit in a bar and spend time deciding if a girl is right than to do it in an Oily. You are expected to choose a girl without delay. That is sort of intolerable to me. At least at Soapies you can sit and stew over the line up for a long time, and even call girls over for a drink first.

[Traveler1234]

So met #2 of my craigslist girls just now. Let's just say I couldn't finish fast enough, and kicked her out.

For those who pm me for #1 contacts, her website is up and I will post on classified ad thread.

[Paul Kausch]

I get to see the girls naked. No surprises. I can make sure the bottom is perfection, nice waist, acceptable tits.

Perhaps because I'm such an old fart, I'm so happy to have an opportunity to grope a girl one-third my age that I overlook a few imperfections.

[Paul Kausch]

Why complain that a bargirl ends up costing more when you are prepared to pay for escorts.

Sorry, I didn't make myself clear. I was comparing the bar girls to the MP girls. I book an escort because she speaks English well, shows up for the date well-dressed and very put together, knows how to conduct herself in social situations; and she offers good to great sex. I like some of the MP girls for outcall. The better ones are a good alternative to an escort.

If I lived in Bangkok or spent a lot of time there, and especially if I spoke decent Thai I expect I'd cultivate relationships with good bar girls and have a very different opinion. I have met some bar girls whom I quite liked. I just haven't met that many of them.

[Paul Kausch]

Can't agree with this one.

Then you and I have had very different experiences.

I enjoy a PSE and a GFE. I don't swim against the current. If I don't know the lady, I figure out as quickly as possible which way she is more inclined, and I go that way. If I'm in the mood for a PSE and end up with a girl who seems more GFE I may test how far she's willing to go; but I won't force anything on her. Frankly, a lady doesn't even have to have a lot of experience for me to have fun with her. I know how to coax good sex out of a willing but inexperienced woman. Fiona, who I reported on in January is a good example. There's an old saying,"There is no such thing as a frigid woman, just a clumsy man."

Over many years I've never had a session with an MP girl I would describe as below average. My approach has always been to pick girls whose reputation I know something about or to read their faces and body language to determine which girls are interested in going with me. I find the same skills I used as a young man to select which girls to target for picking up in the bars come in handy. Sometimes the lady appears to be eager but turns out to be only average. But often enough I'm able to make a good choice.

I've had good sex with gogo bar girls with whom I had good chemistry with in the bar. I suspect these are girls who are looking for one guy that night and when I prove to be fun, they take their time and have fun with me. I've also BFed girls who were a lot of fun and showed great promise in the bar only to have them become very mechanical and rushed when the sex started. This is what I consider bad sex. I actually think these are the smarter ladies; they read ISG; get a kick out of the "chemistry" nonsense some guys write about and figure out that is a good way to hook more customers. They're motivated to sell, but not to perform. Their goal is maximum volume in minimal time. (While the MP girls are with you for a set amount of time.) The gogo girls work just like the typical prostitute here in the USA. Experienced strippers in clubs in the USA are also very skilled at this. They're good at coming on to you on the floor; and they may give you a great lap dance, but that is just to get you into a private room for the half hour that lasts 15 minutes. Then they're done with you and ready to resume their hunt. They've got to make enough to pay the dancer's fee to the club and enough extra for themselves.

I think the gogo girls and MP girls are totally different creatures. I know good escort agencies don't want to hire girls who have worked in gogo bars or MPs. Ladies gravitate to the segments of the P4P industry they're best suited to.

I've also had real girlfriends who were great fun but not great fucks. And as I've mentioned several times, my ex and I reached the point were we constantly fought, but still had great sex.

[Syzygies]

That's the claim by a 40 year Bangkok expat J West Hardin on his web site:

http://jwesthardin.wordpress.com/201...y-in-thailand/

(his response posting dated dated March 28, 2012)

". The fact is that in Thailand 99% of the prostitutes are not even Thai,."

I could quote on this forum someone else's religious crap-trap from somewhere else, that was not my own experience, nor even an opinion I agreed with. However what would be the point?

On a further silly note, one could say that many are not central Thai and may speak a dialect.

[Syzygies]

Performance runs from poor to good. And not very often the later. Some of the ladies with whom I've had the best "chemistry" turned out to be among the worst performers. With the oilies the performance has run from at least average to excellent.

Can't agree with this one. A lady is of course limited by her abilities regardless of chemistry, but with good chemistry I generally get a better performance, providing she is not drunk or has some other problem. Is not likely to get a great GFE performance from a girl that doesn't like you. If you are talking PSE, that could be different.

I think the MP girls offer the best quality for the price. I've had some great times with the good MP girls on overnight outcalls. I'm particular ill-disposed towards the gogo girls. Between the overpriced lousy drinks, lady drinks, BF and fee for the lady, they are one of the worst deals in town. I'd rather have a good session with an MP and then go somewhere nice for a drink. I now only go to the gogos to ogle at the naked (or nearly so) ladies, and of course enjoy the excellent music. LOL

MP girls are hit and miss just the same. There are some superstars and there are some very ordinary girls. You have far less opportunity to check the chemistry and make sure you got the right one. This makes it more of a crap shoot.

Why complain that a bargirl ends up costing more when you are prepared to pay for escorts. I happen to a couple of excellent bargirls for non-PSE rather GFE style. Also there are several girls at Suzi Wong that are enjoyable in a 2 girl setup. Right now my list of regular MP girls has got fairly short. This is probably an anomaly with several disappearing in the same period. Its hard to find really great MP girls whose looks are good enough for me.

The bar has several advantages for me when considering new girls. 1. Large set of girls to select from. I try to overcome this at MPs by visiting several near each other to try to find a girl that appeals. 2. I get to see the girls naked. No surprises. I can make sure the bottom is perfection, nice waist, acceptable tits. 3. I get plenty of time to check chemistry with girls and find out if they are really a nice fun girl or a bad girl or just money oriented.

Overall its just a case of collecting girls that have something special that attracts me to come back. No need to rule out bargirls as a source. Some girls with something special exist.

I do agree that in Crazy House bar, its mostly ogle, which gets boring quite quickly. Its tricky to find the right girl there. I have decided on May who has a super body, but due to circumstances of me having to leave, or having already had a session, or her being missing, or already with a customer, I did not get a chance yet.

[Kirsia123]

So where does the Thai men do their mongering? Where is the upscale market? If the Thai men don't like the Isaan ladies what type of girls do they pick?

/Kirsia.

The tourists and ex-pats use such a small part of the Thai sex industry that it really doesn't matter. Thai and farang operate on different markets. The high-end Thai market is generally closed to us and their low-end does not appeal to farang (if any tourist would be able to find it at all). Most of us go for the tanned Isaan girl, the mainstay of Pattaya, Nana and Soi Cowboy establishments. These are not in high demand by the Thai, as has been reported here many times. It is wrong to see the Thai sex industry as one block and even more wrong to extrapolate our "farang" experiences to the whole of the market.

Walk along the MPs of Sukhumvit Soi 23. Do you see these massage girls call after Thai men? None do. It is not their market.

[FruitNinja]

Seems the only thing many of them hear is the price agreed upon. They expect that money whether they deliver the agreed upon service or not and I am just not willing to put up with that. It is one reason I only hit oilies these days. I expect GFE or PSE out of every encounter. On the rare occasion I take a non-oily girl I make it known to them that I expect to have sex like in a "sex movie" or like they are with their boyfriend. All agree, but I found very few that actually deliver these days.

I'll have to agree with you and Paul on the gogo bar girls. I've had some terrible experiences. If I find a good performer I try to hold on to her. If she's good the first time it only gets better. But as much of a pain in the ass they are sometimes I feel like a moth and a bright light.

I've also learned to say "get out." And I don't give them a penny. I booted two in the Phils. We were supposed to do a threesome and everything was a go at the bar. Back in my room they get naked, I get in bed, the one starts blowing me while the other is rubbing my nuts. I motion for the other one and she's reluctant, I am firm and she agrees, runs to the bathroom wets a washcloth and comes back. She wants to clean off my dick because her friend was just blowing me. Ohh this is really going to work. NOT! I stand up, put my pants back on and point to the door. Back out to Burgos and before I could get into a bar a little street cutie grabs me. Back to the room and had a great time.

Best tattoo ever. HA!

[TellAll]

I came to this same conclusion some time ago. My experience with gogo and bar girls, and FLs is that they are a crap shoot. Performance runs from poor to good. And not very often the later. Some of the ladies with whom I've had the best "chemistry" turned out to be among the worst performers. With the oilies the performance has run from at least average to excellent. I've also had good experience with the escorts. The ones I've been with run from good to excellent. Of course considering the cost I expect at least good service. I think the MP girls offer the best quality for the price. I've had some great times with the good MP girls on overnight outcalls. I'm particular ill-disposed towards the gogo girls. Between the overpriced lousy drinks, lady drinks, BF and fee for the lady, they are one of the worst deals in town. I'd rather have a good session with an MP and then go somewhere nice for a drink. I now only go to the gogos to ogle at the naked (or nearly so) ladies, and of course enjoy the excellent music. LOL

I am the same way with the go go's. I use them as foreplay. When I go, I go when it's happy hour or drink specials. I don't indulge in lady drinks.

I have numbers of ladys in my phone I know give good service that I call upon. Every now and then I add a new one.

If you insist on having sex with the most beautiful girl in LOS, you will always be rolling the dice on service and paying the high prices for it. That is why I hang at the cheap charlie bars for most of my drinking and call a lady when I need it.

[Paul Kausch]

They expect that money whether they deliver the agreed upon service or not and I am just not willing to put up with that. It is one reason I only hit oilies these days.

I came to this same conclusion some time ago. My experience with gogo and bar girls, and FLs is that they are a crap shoot. Performance runs from poor to good. And not very often the later. Some of the ladies with whom I've had the best "chemistry" turned out to be among the worst performers. With the oilies the performance has run from at least average to excellent. I've also had good experience with the escorts. The ones I've been with run from good to excellent. Of course considering the cost I expect at least good service. I think the MP girls offer the best quality for the price. I've had some great times with the good MP girls on overnight outcalls. I'm particular ill-disposed towards the gogo girls. Between the overpriced lousy drinks, lady drinks, BF and fee for the lady, they are one of the worst deals in town. I'd rather have a good session with an MP and then go somewhere nice for a drink. I now only go to the gogos to ogle at the naked (or nearly so) ladies, and of course enjoy the excellent music. LOL