Bangkok Reports

[Marcos]

It could be cheaper in Cambodia than the US because of the taxes. Simply, if Cambodia charges less tax on alcohol than in the States, then it will be cheaper. However, they can simply be counterfeit. Two nights ago, I was talking to one of the mobile bar owners about this. I asked her how much she paid for her Jack Daniels, and it was something like 1200 baht. Then she told me about the much cheaper counterfeit JD. She showed me the genuine bottle and explained how the counterfeit stuff was different. She said the label wasn't as glossy, but more easily detected (once open) was there was no plastic bit in the top. Not sure what the purpose is, but it's probably to allow air into the bottle while pouring so you don't get that "glug glug glug" effect.

And no comments on the actual difference in the product?

[NeverGetsOld]

Thanks for the advice Crocodile. Looks good and something you would see in a Harvard business negotiations course. Don't act like that with them and kid like I kid about anyone. Frankly, one of the bigger dick moves I did by telling the girls at Mandarin I cummed in the hot one's eye, made the girls way more "wanting me" $$$ I don't think it was lost in translation so you do the math. I hope she didn't want me because I was V'd up and not too delicate with her.

I admit, I got some beginner's luck on the free V. I'm sure some washed up bar girls from back in the day and won't be that easy going forward. Almost as much work as USA.

Went to some of the Bangkok college girl hangouts. Wowww Fucking gorgeous girls, way better then pros.

Sad state of affairs. Caught some bird flu type shit here and going to have to take the night off. Maybe call up one of my freebies if my nose can stop dripping snot. Will open up my wallet later this week with the pros.

[RBDave]

I haven't done comparison pricing of single malt whiskey, but from what I've seen bourbon does have the same price increase as other liquors. A typical price for 1 Liter of Jim Beam or Jack Daniels is somewhere in the neighborhood of 1200. 1400 baht. That's about double the US price and about quadruple of what you'd pay in Phnom Penh Cambodia. (Oddly you can get American booze cheaper in Cambodia than in the USA.)

You write that you know Thai whiskey exists. Really? Mekong, for instance, sells itself as a whiskey, but is actually a rum. What Thai whiskeys are there? I'd be very surprised if I found there were any Thai bourbons or single malts. I don't think any Thai products are in competition in this market.

It could be cheaper in Cambodia than the US because of the taxes. Simply, if Cambodia charges less tax on alcohol than in the States, then it will be cheaper. However, they can simply be counterfeit. Two nights ago, I was talking to one of the mobile bar owners about this. I asked her how much she paid for her Jack Daniels, and it was something like 1200 baht. Then she told me about the much cheaper counterfeit JD. She showed me the genuine bottle and explained how the counterfeit stuff was different. She said the label wasn't as glossy, but more easily detected (once open) was there was no plastic bit in the top. Not sure what the purpose is, but it's probably to allow air into the bottle while pouring so you don't get that "glug glug glug" effect.

[Phordphan]

I haven't done comparison pricing of single malt whiskey, but from what I've seen bourbon does have the same price increase as other liquors. A typical price for 1 Liter of Jim Beam or Jack Daniels is somewhere in the neighborhood of 1200. 1400 baht. That's about double the US price and about quadruple of what you'd pay in Phnom Penh Cambodia. (Oddly you can get American booze cheaper in Cambodia than in the USA.)

You write that you know Thai whiskey exists. Really? Mekong, for instance, sells itself as a whiskey, but is actually a rum. What Thai whiskeys are there? I'd be very surprised if I found there were any Thai bourbons or single malts. I don't think any Thai products are in competition in this market.

You're correct. The locals call it "whiskey" but it is a rum, and labeled as such.

I'm sure there is not enough grain production to come up with anything like a single malt. Lao khao would qualify as a whiskey, I think, but of course is made with rice. I also don't think there is enough corn production to justify making a bourbon.

[Tony Hoeprano]

Tony, I think lots of folks are benefiting from it and not just in BKK. Land prices are skyrocketing everywhere in Thailand. The price of farm land in Isaan has quadrupled in many places. Many "poor" farmers are finding some cash upon selling their land. All of these "menial" jobs are paying more and more and will continue to.

Yes, many places are overstaffed, but Thais are working and they are kept working for the most part during eco downturns, in contrast with the US where people are just laid off.

That's interesting you mention about being laid off or fired. More than one person told me they would rather keep someone on the payroll who was worthless than having to pay his / her unemployment benefits, unlike the western world where they're not so shy about shitcanning you in a New York minute.

Anyhow, I was at Villa Market the other day and made the stroll down Massage Parlor Alley soi 11-13. I spotted a nice young one, named Ann from Issarn. She wanted 1500 for the suckie fuckie deal and with with some very fast painless negotiating, the deal was commenced at 1200 baht. She didn't have any horrible stretch marks, body was pretty nice and had a firm ass. At first she wanted to do blow job with condom and I hate that and wasn't having any of it. I told her I'll leave (this is why you should always pay and do massage AFTER the show is over) and she gets no money. She said ok then gave a pretty lame BJ, lots of not so tantalizing licking and she couldn't go down very far. Nevertheless, I was ready for the main event and this was much much better. She was fit and snug and turned her over doggystyle and her ass was one hell of a sight to behold! After some good poking action, I pulled the rubber off and glazed her back with a generous amount of goo LOL. Paid and left satisfied.

[Western787]

Bad experiences are sometimes unavoidable. In both cases, you made a mistake of being too soft at the outset, and then hardening up just as the girl was convinced she can boss you around.

If I sense a genuinely bad attitude early enough, I *immediately* go into damage control mode, with the singular focus of getting them out of the room. Your first step should generally be to halt the session decisively, offering a very small token payment (100 to 200 baht). Offering 1000 baht (full ST fare for a Bangkok FL) or 500 baht (full ST fare for Pattaya) for their bad behavior which didn't even amount to ST, only encourages them to ask for more. If she's physically attacking you or breaking things, it shows that she has zero fear out of your physical reaction. While you should never hit a girl, you're 2 times bigger, and it shouldn't be too hard to give out the vibe convincing them that if they become physical it won't end pretty for them.

In the end, if she's obstinate, you can offer some more severance money (perhaps up to 500/1000) , but only when it's clear that she's dressed and standing at the door when you pay her (and not if she was breaking things or hitting you).

I once had a freelancer from hell from Sukhumwit who had a bad attitude, and wouldn't settle for the 200 baht cancellation fee (we didn't have sex yet) , and insisted on the full 1000 baht fare. We had an almost 40-minute long standoff in my room, but she remained stationary throughout (lots of various threats, though not much shouting). And in the end I paid her. If she started getting aggressive or breaking things at any point, it was clear she would come out worse off, so she didn't try (despite all the verbal back-and-forth, mentioning police, pimps and all).

(Just in case there is any confusion, and as you may already know, THOSE ARE NOT MY WORDS, as in my original post I am quoting "NeverGetsOld") While I see an entertainment value in the style of his posts, I believe any woman, working girl or not, anywhere in the world, London, New York, Bangkok, or living amongst the extreme poverty some of us may have encountered in Burma or the Phils should be treated with the utmost respect. Its a matter of basic human decency, aside from being bad Karma.

Here's my original post

Too funny man. One never knows because mongers operate at different levels, some could be chick magnet younger guys that the girls love, (I now see below he mentions he's a younger guy) or regular Brad Pitt types, or real charmers. In any case I am still laughing at his classic and entertaining post a few weeks back:

(Quoting NeverGetsOld)

"My best resource has been an ok looking nana bar girl." (leaving out the rest)

[Scorchin1470]

Yes, many places are overstaffed, but Thais are working and they are kept working for the most part during eco downturns, in contrast with the US where people are just laid off.

Far better to have them working than idling through their lives on benefits. There are great advantages to restricting benefits to those in REAL need rather than those too idle to get a job.

And working in a bar, in front or behind the counter is better than transplanting rice. As long as there are bars there will be bar girls to fuck.

[Bartchamdo]

What I find confusing is that Whisky, for example, does not bear the same price increase but is also imported. For example a bottle of single malt Glenmorangie will cost around £25-30 in the U. K and can be bought for 1, 700 baht or £35 in food land. You have to expect an increase for sure. But a £5-7 bottle of Cabernet Sauvignon in the U. K can cost between 800-1000 baht and that is not even form a restaurant, which is more than double the price? Is the import tax on wine way higher than it is on Whisky. I know Thai Whisky exists but I have never come across Thai wine. Could this possibly be Thai logic raising it's distorted head yet again?

I haven't done comparison pricing of single malt whiskey, but from what I've seen bourbon does have the same price increase as other liquors. A typical price for 1 Liter of Jim Beam or Jack Daniels is somewhere in the neighborhood of 1200. 1400 baht. That's about double the US price and about quadruple of what you'd pay in Phnom Penh Cambodia. (Oddly you can get American booze cheaper in Cambodia than in the USA.)

You write that you know Thai whiskey exists. Really? Mekong, for instance, sells itself as a whiskey, but is actually a rum. What Thai whiskeys are there? I'd be very surprised if I found there were any Thai bourbons or single malts. I don't think any Thai products are in competition in this market.

[Goatscrot]

How much of the people are actually benefiting from it? Of course you're going to see many well to do Thais in fine establishments, but that's to be expected in a city of 12 million. I see too many people who should be enjoying their retirement, but instead, are pushing food carts in the sweltering heat, tell them the economy is booming. 1% unemployment sounds great, but like Mark Twain said, Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics. Many of those jobs are where people are making a pittance and includes too many security guards, car parkers, and ipad accessory sellers.

The other day, I was at Chesters and there were 20 employees and maybe 10 diners LOL, most just standing around twiddling their thumbs. I order the Salmon and rice set, and in a few minutes the food arrives by a "server" but they don't give me any silverware haha. 20 employees and they can't even clean the silverware in time! Got to love Thailand!

Tony, I think lots of folks are benefiting from it and not just in BKK. Land prices are skyrocketing everywhere in Thailand. The price of farm land in Isaan has quadrupled in many places. Many "poor" farmers are finding some cash upon selling their land. All of these "menial" jobs are paying more and more and will continue to.

Yes, many places are overstaffed, but Thais are working and they are kept working for the most part during eco downturns, in contrast with the US where people are just laid off.

[Crocodilexp]

My worst experience was a tall blonde, aggressive girl. 2,3 minutes into fucking she was telling me to finish and closing her legs. Not liking her sex I offered her 1000 of the 2000 bar fine even though we just started fucking. Then she just slaps me hard without saying anything. Acting like it was too long and to pay her now.

My other bad experience, I was stupid. I picked up a freelancer in Pattaya with giant tits for 1000 baht to stay for awhile. Her middle was a train wreck so I offered her 500 to leave after 10 mins. She didn't want to and got very mad and slammed the door when I stuck to my guns.

Any advice on the best way to play this?

Bad experiences are sometimes unavoidable. In both cases, you made a mistake of being too soft at the outset, and then hardening up just as the girl was convinced she can boss you around.

If I sense a genuinely bad attitude early enough, I *immediately* go into damage control mode, with the singular focus of getting them out of the room. Your first step should generally be to halt the session decisively, offering a very small token payment (100 to 200 baht). Offering 1000 baht (full ST fare for a Bangkok FL) or 500 baht (full ST fare for Pattaya) for their bad behavior which didn't even amount to ST, only encourages them to ask for more. If she's physically attacking you or breaking things, it shows that she has zero fear out of your physical reaction. While you should never hit a girl, you're 2 times bigger, and it shouldn't be too hard to give out the vibe convincing them that if they become physical it won't end pretty for them.

In the end, if she's obstinate, you can offer some more severance money (perhaps up to 500/1000), but only when it's clear that she's dressed and standing at the door when you pay her (and not if she was breaking things or hitting you).

I once had a freelancer from hell from Sukhumwit who had a bad attitude, and wouldn't settle for the 200 baht cancellation fee (we didn't have sex yet), and insisted on the full 1000 baht fare. We had an almost 40-minute long standoff in my room, but she remained stationary throughout (lots of various threats, though not much shouting)... and in the end I paid her. If she started getting aggressive or breaking things at any point, it was clear she would come out worse off, so she didn't try (despite all the verbal back-and-forth, mentioning police, pimps and all).

[Tony Hoeprano]

How much of the people are actually benefiting from it? Of course you're going to see many well to do Thais in fine establishments, but that's to be expected in a city of 12 million. I see too many people who should be enjoying their retirement, but instead, are pushing food carts in the sweltering heat, tell them the economy is booming. 1% unemployment sounds great, but like Mark Twain said, Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics. Many of those jobs are where people are making a pittance and includes too many security guards, car parkers, and ipad accessory sellers.

The other day, I was at Chesters and there were 20 employees and maybe 10 diners LOL, most just standing around twiddling their thumbs. I order the Salmon and rice set, and in a few minutes the food arrives by a "server" but they don't give me any silverware haha. 20 employees and they can't even clean the silverware in time! Got to love Thailand!

[Phordphan]

to add to the confusion import tariff's are normally used to protect domestic production. i know thai whisky exists but i have never come across thai wine. could this possibly be thai logic raising it's distorted head yet again?

regards,

bj

there is a small thai wine industry.

believe it or not, there is a rather large vineyard just outside of pattaya. go figure. i had no idea decent grapes would grow here. we visited last year. unfortunately, there were no free tastings, as there are in napa, or paso robles. maybe that's changed now? in any case, i wasn't going to lay down $30 for a bottle of thai cabernet sauvignon. so, the excise certainly appears to apply to domestic production, too.

a teacher i used to know in the petchabun area says that there are wineries in that general area, too.

[Goatscrot]

The type of girls mopping the floors 10 years ago are still mopping floors today. LOL.

There aint a whole of interest in these type of girsl at over 700 baht. LOL. You guys know that agogos were never full of hot chicks. Some hot, many ok, the rest floor moppers.

Bangkok rocks and it will for a long long time. It don't matter a whole lot if they building 80 new hi rises. LOL.

Its really hard to believe the issan education system in 10 years are suddenly providing capable issan girls for big industry. Them isan girls know its pussy time if they want to make it- and unfortunately very few actually make it- and of those that do, at what cost?

Actually there is a huge demand for both skilled and unskilled workers in BKK and the rest of Thailand. Construction wages are climbing as Burmese are heading back to work in their own country which will boom soon enough. This is not the Thailand of 10 years ago, it is not even the Thailand of two years ago. The game has changed and so has the P4P scene. And it will continue to change.

[Goatscrot]

First thing I noticed when I arrived 10 years a go was the old guys with the ugliest girls one could imagine. Same same today. LOL.

That was not my experience Harold. In fact, when I arrived here over a decade ago there were very few dudes under 40 in most of the bars.

[Goatscrot]

Interesting point about the price of wine here. People have explained that it is due to import tax. What I find confusing is that Whisky, for example, does not bear the same price increase but is also imported. For example a bottle of single malt Glenmorangie will cost around £25-30 in the U. K and can be bought for 1, 700 baht or £35 in food land. You have to expect an increase for sure. But a £5-7 bottle of Cabernet Sauvignon in the U. K can cost between 800-1000 baht and that is not even form a restaurant, which is more than double the price? Is the import tax on wine way higher than it is on Whisky.

To add to the confusion import tariff's are normally used to protect domestic production. I know Thai Whisky exists but I have never come across Thai wine. Could this possibly be Thai logic raising it's distorted head yet again?

Regards,

BJ

The tax on wine is an excise tax, Thai wines pay it as well. There is also an import duty on wine, but the main culprit for high prices is the excise tax. Imported beer has a very high duty. Beer is interesting here. Two of the richest men in Thailand are bev guys. Have had some friends look into staring a craft brewery here. Almost impossible with the tax structure. The least amount you can pay tax on is 1 million liters. At that point you can only sell what you brew on premise. You cannot bottle. Think Tawan Daeng or The Londoner. The tax then jumps to 10 million liters at which point you can bottle and sell. Most craft breweries in the US produce less than 5 million but more than 1 million per year. So they have essentially cut this out of the market.