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By my estimates, only about 10% of the girls on TF are freelancers, not 90%. But, no one messages the fat or ugly ones or the ones that are looking for someone who believes in God and is faithful, etc. So the effective portion of girls who are available for P4P seems higher. Thus it's easy enough to find the FLs. But I go through too much messaging to get to the girl who meets my goals- that is why I asked the question.
By the way, a small number of girls say that they are FLs or looking for a sugar daddy in their profile. A few even give pricing. I have noticed that they are still on the site.
If anyone has a suggestion for a girl who would like to "wife up" for a week, and is not adverse to threesomes from time to time, please message me her contact information. This is my ideal way to pass 10 days in BKK: a pretty "wife" or "guide" for mornings and dinners (who comes and goes but meets up in the evenings) and a handful of other ladies for diversity.

As in money don't put your eggs in one basket.

4 FoW2.

[11Bravo]

I was never much of a fan of Patpong.

When I first arrived here years ago it was either the craziness of the night market or the reputation of the scams in the upstairs bars that kept me from visiting frequently, not to mention the (slight) inconvenience of a BTS switch at Siam station for those of us who live along the Sukhumvit line.

TLDR: Patpong area is extremely quiet, but a few of its most infamous BJ bars, besides Kangaroo Club, which is closed, are still around; Rose Bar: open but recommend you take a pass; Meet the World: the most / best girls and a nice raunchy hands-on time but hang on to your wallet; Star of Light: a good laid-back fun time.

Great informative FR. Some of the best advice I ever got was from an old Thailand hand before I first came in the mid '90's: "If you go to Patpong, the downstairs bars are safe. If you want to go to an upstairs bar for a show, take a girl from Nana with you. She'll keep you safe. " Great advice and she did (she wants your wallet for herself). When a tout for a show started leading us away from direct stairs up, he turned right, and she pulled me left, saying something was fishy. One line of hers I've NEVER forgotten: one act was p*ssy drinks coke. Upside down bicycle, full liter of coke inserted, drained, then she turns upright, squats over the bottle, and refills. My girl turns to me and says "I'm never drinking coke again. " One of those truly memorable moments.

Kangaroo, visited once or twice back in the '90's but just didn't catch my fancy. I won't miss it but some might.

The Rose. That bar has more lives than a cat. Back in the 90's it was a fun place, good for in-house service or even take away. It declined in the 00's, came back, and the last time I was actually inside, seeing ghosts, was about 6 years ago. I've been past there myself several times during the afternoon. No sign of life. For some unnatural reason, it STILL exerts a gravitational pull on me, but so far, I've resisted.

Been past the SOL in the early to mid-afternoon, and the bar is closed, plywood on the door with cleaning supplies propped up. No girls sitting outside. Glad to hear it's still functional later in the day. That place IS an institution.

Been to Meet the World a couple of times (16:00 and even 13:00 fully staffed, 4 ladies). I like the place. They intuitively put on tunes that I enjoy, and the natives are friendly, definitely a hands-on place. A lady drink is 150 baht, buying a lady one will remove her clothes. A beer is 100 baht, a BJ 800. Clarify the price FIRST. My first time back, I did, with no problems. 2nd time, 10 days later, they gave me a tourist bill, but I just had them correct it (as reported in FR). The ladies might not be in the 19-21 bracket, but they are fun and skilled. Given the history of that bar, it would be a tragedy if it disappears.

Again, great FR and filled in some gaps in my knowledge base. Thanks.

[MamaGuevos]

Doesn't seem like TF is moderated. But I also don't think you need to headline your profile with seeking FLers. Just message them and ask if they are FL. Seems like at this point 90% of the girls on TF are FL anyways.

By my estimates, only about 10% of the girls on TF are freelancers, not 90%. But, no one messages the fat or ugly ones or the ones that are looking for someone who believes in God and is faithful, etc. So the effective portion of girls who are available for P4P seems higher. Thus it's easy enough to find the FLs. But I go through too much messaging to get to the girl who meets my goals- that is why I asked the question.

By the way, a small number of girls say that they are FLs or looking for a sugar daddy in their profile. A few even give pricing. I have noticed that they are still on the site.

If anyone has a suggestion for a girl who would like to "wife up" for a week, and is not adverse to threesomes from time to time, please message me her contact information. This is my ideal way to pass 10 days in BKK: a pretty "wife" or "guide" for mornings and dinners (who comes and goes but meets up in the evenings) and a handful of other ladies for diversity.

[GiuseppeBonera]

Hey guys,

Was at levels the other day got a quote of 20000 for long time. I didn't go and ended up with another less atractive girl for 5000 (not good service) is 20000 to be expected for top quality? Or was this one off. I also countered regrettingly with 14000 and she said no.

[Blue Nose]

I was never much of a fan of Patpong.

When I first arrived here years ago it was either the craziness of the night market or the reputation of the scams in the upstairs bars that kept me from visiting frequently, not to mention the (slight) inconvenience of a BTS switch at Siam station for those of us who live along the Sukhumvit line. Nonetheless, I did find some of the older (legit) venues charming in kind of a timeless way. Whether it was a late breakfast at the Madrid restaurant, the occasional beer at a street-level outdoor bar in the alley between Patpong Soi 1 and Soi 2, or a show at one of the more well-known clubs, their old-fashioned style and more laid-back nature appealed to me.

I had heard Patpong was "quiet" post Covid, so I spent the past month or so scouting out the area to get a feel for what's really going on. I visited on weekdays, weekends, afternoons and evenings and made sure to visit the most famous BJ places, as outlined below.

Kangaroo Club (Patpong 1) is unfortunately closed. There is no sign of it on the downstairs door, no outdoor sign, and no decal on the upstairs window. Like a lot of places in Patpong, it simply doesn't exist any more.

Rose Bar (Patpong 1) is open but apparently on its last legs. As you approach the entrance, a guard will appear to let you in, as before. He rings the bell and then you walk up a steep staircase to the bar. At the top, when I went, I was greeted by Mamasan who, as it turns out, was the only employee working there that day. There were no signs of any other employees, and Mama told me they left because they were "scared of Covid". Well, that had to have been 2+ years ago, so I've no idea what the deal is with their staff, but apparently they don't really have any, or at least they didn't that day. I ordered a beer and bought one for Mama with the intention of chatting for a few minutes before leaving. Halfway through my beer, Mama starts stroking me and whispering that she wants to blow me. I wasn't really into it, but it had been a long week and I figured it would be my last-ever BJ there. I let her go at it and she did a surprisingly decent job. Finished up, down the stairs to street level. I may return one final time to confirm that they really don't have any staff members (it's always good to check a place out twice, I find, just to triangulate) but if they don't, I won't stay. Can't recommend this place in its present format and my guess is it won't be around much longer: it's decline seems both terminal and irreversible.

Meet the World Bar (Patpong 2, up the ramp). This place has had so many names over the years it's hard to keep track of: COB's, Linda's Place, The World, and now "Meet the World" is stenciled on the door, so I'll go with that. Approached it from the ramp and noted that a few girls were outside eating. They waved me over and I went inside. There were 5 girls working and Mamasan behind the bar. This was more like it. I bought drinks for a few of the girls, which made them happy and then we proceeded to get to know one another. It's a very hands-on place (think Pandora's in Pattaya before the new owner took it over) which is my main criterion. I'd much rather spend an afternoon with an older but hands-on MILF than a 23-year-old hottie in a Pattaya G-club who doesn't let me hold her hand until after I've bought her 10 drinks.

Anyway, the girls' clothing started coming off and sometime during my second drink they began undressing me. They're really good about stripping everybody down there, so if you're the least bit shy it's not the place for you (Mama locks the door before all this occurs, of course). I won't bore you with the details (smirk) but suffice it to say that it can get pretty wild in there. You'll have a lot of female body parts shoved in your face, and you can have as many providers as you want service you. My advice is to buy a few of them drinks, get all of those ones naked, but then pick only one (or two if you like) for the BJ. That will help keep the overall cost down since this way you only pay the BJ fee for the one (s) who actually service you. The others get their money through the drinks and a small tip you provide at the end. Be polite, but firm and you'll be fine in this regard. You'll still have a lot of fun but the check won't be outrageous. If they sense you're a newbie, though, you'll get tourist treatment / prices.

Star of Light (Patpong 2). Beneath Meet the World Bar is the infamous Star of Light. Like a beacon in the night, its white sign beckons to all who approach. It's just a small place with a few couches, a small bar, and a tiny restroom (no shower). There's also a mattress at the back, if you prefer. There was only one provider the first time I went, but more on duty when I swung by again last week. Overall, it's a nice enough place and there's no pressure / girl pile-on like there is at Meet the World, where you find yourself surrounded by sexy women and then before you know it your wallet is empty! I found both providers to be decent in the looks and personalities departments and who provided good enough service.

TLDR: Patpong area is extremely quiet, but a few of its most infamous BJ bars, besides Kangaroo Club, which is closed, are still around; Rose Bar: open but recommend you take a pass; Meet the World: the most / best girls and a nice raunchy hands-on time but hang on to your wallet; Star of Light: a good laid-back fun time.

Enjoy it while you can, fellas. My view is that Patpong actually isn't quiet. It's dead. And it's difficult to see how the entire area can be economically viable when so many establishments have simply ceased to exist and the ones that do exist are without many customers.

[HorseTrader]

Is it realistic for a single farang (good budget) to head over to Thaniya and be able to select 5-6 japanese oriented thai girls, have a fun party with drinks in a room and end up in an orgy with all of them? Yes, I know a 1+6 thinkg is easy to organize at other venues, but I'd like to experience the Karaoke version.

My goal is to be a bit drunk, get nekkid and have 2-3 pops with a few equally drunk girls in a KTV room. Fuck around while drinking, dancing and singing, basically.

I'm a single farang, but older, and I walked through that area last week. Although a few girls gave me some positive attention, they were aggressively marketing to the few groups of young, well dressed, Asian men. Regardless of what goes on in those places, you are starting out a couple steps behind their target demographic.

Should you stray over to Patpong, beware of girls promising one thing and failing to deliver in the room. I doubt that I'll return to that area, though it was interesting to see one time.

[Sammon]

I have always had a lot of luck with TF. Generally, I start by paying for a month of service. Then, I have contact a girl, and after one or two messages I ask her if she is interested in getting together. Occasionally, I have asked the girl if she is freelance. If the girl is interested, I ask her to send me her LineID or WhatsApp (not many have WhatsApp in Thailand) and when I contact her there, I quickly move onto practical questions such as price, level of service, etc.

Recently, I read here that some people come straight to the point on TF and ask the girl directly if she is a freelancer. On Date in Asia (DIA), this would get one expelled. Indeed, I have been expelled several times from DIA, as well as Tinder (which I cannot get back on without getting a new phone number). It occurred to me that if they really do not expel people from the service, I could cut through a bunch of messages and simply have a profile that says "Looking for hookups" and maybe state "FL / ONS welcome."

Has anyone here ever been expelled from TF for their profiles or directly negotiating a sexual service? If so, were you a paying member? Does anyone know the true boundaries of their moderators?

DIA seems to have gotten better. I have messaged many girls about having fun but not expelled yet. Only one time I got expelled because I used choice words on a ladyboy when he insisted that he is a girl. Maybe in his mind but not mine. You cannot discuss money on DIA. For that you take them to WhatsApp or messenger or any other app. Even on DIA you cannot get back once expelled because they have a facial recognition software even if you have a new number, location, new e mail.

[CaliGuy33]

Well I for one have the hots for brown sugar so African freelancers are right up my soi. I'm going to BKK in January and I'm constantly looking at "Walking on Soi 4-11" videos on Youtube to gauge how many Africans there currently is in BKK.

One might ask: "If you're so into Africans, why do you go to BKK?" Well there are a lot of reasons. It's a cheap city. Easy to live as a king. Great food. Great balance between high tech and low prices. Massage parlors. BJ bars. Familiarity with the city. Knowing the scene. And most importantly: Even though I'm a sucker for Africans, I do love Thai women as well. The best ones are petite, happy, smiling, funny, cute, with incredible soft skin. But sometimes you just want a black mega ass to sit on your face!

"But sometimes you just want a black mega ass to sit on your face!

This made me laugh haha. The afro chicks I see in Thailand don't have arses that I would want sitting on my face, but that is just me.

[Nyezhov]

I've seen plenty of white guys with them as well in Bangkok and Pattaya. Let's stop with the BS.

Never said their aren't white guys who like 'them, and why is it BS? Certain tourist groups like the ladies large. Ever been to the Grace Coffee Shop during the old days? Your not telling us that their is no discrimination against Africans from the Asian ladies?

I daresay that most western tourists who visit BKK do not do so with an African girl in mind, especially 'Muricans, who can find them by the dozens at home.

[BHawk]

Is it realistic for a single farang (good budget) to head over to Thaniya and be able to select 5-6 japanese oriented thai girls, have a fun party with drinks in a room and end up in an orgy with all of them? Yes, I know a 1+6 thinkg is easy to organize at other venues, but I'd like to experience the Karaoke version.

My goal is to be a bit drunk, get nekkid and have 2-3 pops with a few equally drunk girls in a KTV room. Fuck around while drinking, dancing and singing, basically.

[Tim Timms]

Nana Plaza Monday.

Looks like it's going to be a Merry Merry Christmas. The Indians are back in Town. Haha.

Just one Data Point. First time this current trip they stood out so much so I noticed.

[Confiable]

African dudes, Arab dudes and the Western guys who like that. Mostly the first two.

I've seen plenty of white guys with them as well in Bangkok and Pattaya. Let's stop with the BS.

[Buksida1]

Yeah, that was their best donut, the only reason I ever stopped to buy anything at Dunkin' Donuts. A major loss. Right up there with, I think, McDs recently discontinuing their dipped chocolate shell option for their ice cream cones. Can't seem to find one that still offers it.

Anyway, the next best option for that kind of donut is at Tim Horton's, the Canadian coffee and donut chain popping up all over Bangkok lately.

There is one in MBK right at the bts Skywalk entrance where Tokyu department store used to be. Also on Sukhumvit Soi 2 above the McDonald's.

Being a Canadian company they also have a maple iced version of that donut. Good donuts in general. Maybe the best standard donuts in Bangkok now. Except for the original glazed at Krispy Kreme, of course.

Tim Horton's used to be Canadian owned. In 2014 Timmy's was bought by Restaurants International Inc. The owners of Wendy's and Popeye chicken and other interests. Tim Horton's has gone downhill since with poor quality products.

[Farcondee]

African sex workers abroad have a very negative reputation, for a variety of reasons. It may be valid or not, but that's the general thoughts around their whole situation. Are they getting work? Yeah probably, there's an audience for it, but I don't believe they are really "welcome" with the local girls and have to do their own thing in their own area.

Well I for one have the hots for brown sugar so African freelancers are right up my soi. I'm going to BKK in January and I'm constantly looking at "Walking on Soi 4-11" videos on Youtube to gauge how many Africans there currently is in BKK.

One might ask: "If you're so into Africans, why do you go to BKK?" Well there are a lot of reasons. It's a cheap city. Easy to live as a king. Great food. Great balance between high tech and low prices. Massage parlors. BJ bars. Familiarity with the city. Knowing the scene. And most importantly: Even though I'm a sucker for Africans, I do love Thai women as well. The best ones are petite, happy, smiling, funny, cute, with incredible soft skin. But sometimes you just want a black mega ass to sit on your face!

[EihTooms]

Be careful avg age of member here is OLD. Prolly not all that Hansum either. Hahaha.

Hansum vs non Hansum. Does it really Matter to a Sex worker?

Any thoughts. Assumption not outlier customers,. Monkeypox lesions on 500 pound body, etc.

Some sex workers assume a young and / or handsome man has had sex with many ladies and that many of those ladies agreed to bareback sex with him. Consequently, they might dig in and refuse to go bareback with him for fear of catching an STD. By contrast, they might be fine with going bareback with a fat, ugly old man they assume has not gotten laid in his home country for years and isn't getting bareback sex here either. She might not worry too much about being the "exception" for that dude if the price is right.

Extra advantage to the fat, ugly old man for getting no hassle BBFS+CIP if she thinks he just arrived in town. She might play on the premise that he not only hasn't gotten laid for years back home but that he also hasn't gotten laid on this trip yet either. Then, she calculates, if she rocks his world in bed like he never dreamed would happen to him, this "loser in sex" will want to repeat with her throughout his entire stay and not even try to session with anyone else.

Of course, the Thai hooker has got it all wrong. Most fat, ugly old punters I know are getting more no hassle bareback sex with more different women here than the hookers can imagine. And for the reason cited above. Each hooker calculates (wrongly) that she is the "exception" for him getting BBFS+CIP. LOL.

Yes, the irony is the hookers who think they are playing it safer by going bareback with only fat, ugly old men are in all likelihood actually exposing themselves to more multiple partner bareback STD risk than they would if they did it with young and / or handsome men, most of whom get more resistance to bareback sex for the reason stated above.

Ditto for cum swallowing at the end of a BBBJ+CIM.