Bangkok Reports

[Amjeck]

Interesting … how then do you explain your own unfortunate and undesirable presence in the same marketplace?

Dude, can you READ?

I never said my presence was unfortunate or undesirable.

Read it again then post something that makes sense, not just argumentative!

[Kumbu]

I hope that my point is made and that I will not have to reply about this topic again anytime soon.

Sorry Goyave, I'm afraid we have been talking past each other. Let me try to explain my point again. This post is typical Kumbu style, so those who are annoyed by my writing style, please, just skip it. It's not that big of a deal, and I apologize for taking up the band width, but I harp on this point because the constant repetition about how Thailand is not as good now as it was X years ago, to me, is still deceptive. It carries with it the clear implication that Thailand is somehow not all that good to visit. And this is simply not true, as some of the responses to your post indicate. The various tangents that emerged from your first response are irrelevant to this discussion (e.g., whether BKK is the best location for mongering in the world or not, whether tourists inflate prices, whether upcountry brothels / locally-oriented establishments still provide good service, etc.), so I focus just on this one point: The Thailand of today is not as good as it was 30 years ago. I submit this post not as a flame, and with no intention to disrespect those who have been mongering here for decades. Your experience is valued, and I wish for you to continue to share that experience. It is just this one aspect of experience which I think is problematic.

-----------------------

In the early summer of 1999, I stood in line for 4.5 hours to watch Star Wars: the Phantom Menace on opening day. It was at the Westwood Bruin, and the line snaked three blocks, but I stood in line to watch it. My then-girlfriend was eager, but thought we should wait a week and let the crowd die down. No, Star Wars was mythical, a thing of beauty, something that I had grown up on, and something that symbolized all the pleasure of childhood. As I stood in line, the guys in front of me were talking about how when they went to see the original Star Wars in the '70's, they paid $1.25 for the ticket. In 1999, the prices had just been hiked to $7.00, and these guys were hysterical about how the movie studios are charging us ridiculous amounts for crappy movies. Not like the old days.

Needless to say, I came out of that theater sick to the stomach. The movie sucked; I was gutted. I felt like my childhood had just been pissed and puked upon - the exhilarating, thrilling memories of Luke, Han Solo and those silly droids just got soiled by shyte about siths, JaJa and a charisma-less Anakin Skywalker. And Samuel L. Jackson? Why had that no-talent hack Lucas done this to me?!

To my utter amazement, the group of 16 year olds behind me were raving about how fantastic the movie was. They thought the sith was a fantastic villain; they loved the quiet strength of Anakin; While Jaja was annoying, he seemed to provide mild humor for the kids. I stopped and asked them if they were just kidding, and they seemed surprised. As we talked, it became apparent that these particular 16 year olds had not seen the original three Star Wars movies. They did not have the same frame of reference that I had, and were evaluating the movie really on its own merits.

My experience with the original Star Wars jaded me. It made me judge the prequel differently from the 16 year olds. I held it to a far higher standard than they did, and I failed to judge the movie objectively on its merits. A year later, I tried watching it again, but I just couldn't do it - I *couldn't* do it.

So not only did the frame of reference fuck the movie up for me, I realized that *I* was partly to blame. I was now too old. When I saw the original movies, I was a young kid, gullible, eager to be excited, easily pleased by crappy movies, and thus tremendously impressed by the odd good one (such as Star Wars). I was impressionable as a kid, but far more jaded and cynical as an adult. The 16 year olds, on the other hand, were still eager and willing to be impressed. I think if these very same individuals had waited 20 years before watching that very same movie, they would have hated it.

My point? Well, I have three points.

Point 1. Prices go up. Movies used to cost $1.25, in 1999 they cost $7, now they cost $12 in many places.

Point 2. Talking about how LOS is not the wonderful playland that it was back in the day is relevant only to those who were in LOS back then. To you guys who have a point of reference, you interpret what happens to you today through the lens of the early years you were here in LOS. And unless that experience is spectacular, you think it sucks. That's natural. Hey, the Phantom Menace sucked big time. Furthermore, as a young, eager, horny man, you were far more easily impressed. You were less jaded, less cynical, less demanding. The first time a girl gave you a BBBJ with solid eye-contact and gobs of spit, you probably popped your nut within seconds. Now, if you don't get that, you are pissed off. Now, with age, as is the natural way, the bar has been set far higher. But that does not mean that LOS is getting worse. As I hope you see by now, the natural progression of time has an effect on us, and I believe THAT, my friends, is one source of this apparent degradation in quality.

Point 3. While it may be true that the girls are changing, it is hardly a scientifically proven fact. I would argue that a more important variable in this equation is YOU. 30 years ago, I wager, each of you (actually, that's the wrong pronoun, it should be 'us') were at least 20 pounds lighter around the gut, at least a pound heavier on top of the head (assuming you were in-fashion with the 1980's Big Hair), far less experienced, and so far easier to please. Now, with 30 years of experience, wrinkles, body weight, and shiny bald spot atop your head, and a penchant for BB ass sex (or whatever), the girls are providing significantly worse service and charging significantly more money. In some ways, that should not be surprising.

I read plenty of reports of guys who have had excellent experiences. Plenty of guys report getting 'freebies'. Plenty of guys talk about ST for 1000B or less (I've had this a couple of times in the last few months). Plenty of guys report being blown away by the cuddly, loving, GFE, sometimes PSE, often human, decent reaction they get from these women. These women who often (not always) live a tough, grueling, demanding life. And yet, when they shack up with a bunch of falang, they manage to treat them with kindness and humanity.

The first time I partook in the beauty of Thai femininity was in 1992. It was with a sublime young 19 year old in Sabailand in Pattaya named Kinky. She provided superb service that has never been replicated with anyone since. Afterwards, as she massaged my arms and neck, she gently sang Eternal Flame by the Bangles - a song that still gives me goosebumps and shivers everytime I hear it. But I never compare any experience with her. Each experience is unique; each experience is what it is; each experience is produced partly by the girl and partly by me.

If LOS is going down the tubes, well, I think I want to go down the tubes with it. For me, and for now (and that's all that matters), Thailand is a primo location for mongering, and Thai girls rock.

[BionicMan]

I wrote it earlier: as a foreigner living here, I still consider myself a very privileged monger (as my own income is coming from abroad). "My paradise" is not located in Bangok, but in Northeastern Thailand (I could not have the same fun in Bangkok than where I live nowadays or it would require a lot more......
I hope that my point is made and that I will not have to reply about this topic again anytime soon.

of course you made your point and we can also agree on most of it.
If and where some doesnt is just because of different POV and that just adds to' the debate rather than to the flaming, as long as the debate is carried on in the smooth way as it has been conducted so far

[Goyave]

Please show us what they look like
Cheers
Hb

Sorry, but I don't have any picture of those two really stunning girls, alas (they did not allow me to take a photo of them). But believe me, they are much more beautiful (IMHO) than the two other girls that you may see if you click on the links mentioned in one of my previous posts in this thread.

[Hummer Bird]

Maybe not just you, but I am certainly not the only one that has noticed that the prices charged nowadays in Bangkok are objectively much higher than in the past while the quality (beauty) of the providers is (on average) much lower. ........ The most stunning girl (available on the P4P market) that I've met (in the biblical sense) so far in Thailand cost me only 700 baht ST. The second one, only 500 baht ST. And that was not long ago.

Please show us what they look like
Cheers
Hb

[Goyave]

I friendly disagree.
Of course if you compare to past times you are right
But at the time it was "your" paradise", maybe someone was complaining "it is not as before"...

I wrote it earlier: as a foreigner living here, I still consider myself a very privileged monger (as my own income is coming from abroad). "My paradise" is not located in Bangok, but in Northeastern Thailand (I could not have the same fun in Bangkok than where I live nowadays or it would require a lot more money).

The situation in Bangok is getting worse, especially in the recent years, when you are considering how much the local pussy is charged here compared to the local average monthly wage. What I am paying currently for a ST with a cutie in the local brothels of Northeastern Thailand is only about 3-5% of the local average monthly wage. What many mongers are now paying in tourist-oriented venues of Bangkok (and often for much less attractive girls) represents 25% (and sometimes a lot more) of the local average monthly wage (as explained earlier, it would be like paying more than US$825 in the USA, for instance! It could be worse of course and it is certainly worse in many places in the world, but it's not exactly cheap, IMHO). Not so long ago, that was about 10-15% (of the local average monthly wage) only in Bangkok (not the best value in Thailand, but much better than the current situation).

By the way, unless you are living here, the real price of pussy is much higher than what is written in the reports of this thread. For a tourist, you have to take into account at least the price of his flight ticket and the cost of accommodation in Thailand. According to the Tourism Authority of Thailand, the average length of stay is approximately 10 days for international travelers (it was 9.19 days in year 2007). That means that it might add about 3000 baht daily (and probably more, depending on where you are coming from and in what kind of hotel you are staying in Thailand) to the bill! Of course, it is probably still relatively inexpensive for most tourists, but not as cheap as they might think if they forget to take into account those additional expenses.

Again, I am not complaining about my own situation and I am a very happy monger as a foreigner living in Northeastern Thailand, but I just wanted to put things in perspective.

I hope that my point is made and that I will not have to reply about this topic again anytime soon.

[Cunning Linguist]

Some people seem to be getting down on Thailand and on Bangkok in particular. My take on it is that it all depends on what you want, expect and put into it.

I am staying at the Nana Hotel and I am still amazed at the high quality breakfast there. Really. Here you have a choice of fattening Farang breakfast or slim Thai breakfast.

I no longer go to Nana Entertainment Plaza in search of female companionship. It is too expensive, extremely jaded, and a bit over the top though I did catch sight of a drop-dead gorgeous girl on the second level, opposite side of Angelwitch.

It was pouring down last night around 9 but I sized up the girls waiting around. I am very, very wary of Ladyboys and pass up the taller girls just in case. After going around, sizing things up, I was not too convinced which is why I had a foray into NEP. Lots of noise, bustling, a few knockout like the one I mentioned above but all in all, I decided to go back out into the rain. Eventually, I settled on a girl (I was convinced she was) who seemed a bit older but she had that Thai slimness that I like.
Luckily, I remember my Thai and she seemed to like the fact that I was able to speak it. I have had cases in which they don't like that. After a long conversation, we got down to it. Yep, she was a she. I really like the inner labia of most Asian girls: black in contrast with their much lighter skin. SHe was GFE for the duration of the tryst but when it was over, she was determined to leave ASAP which was fine by me.
After resting from my great shag, I went to Gullivers. There are a lot of girls there but a pretty one caught me eye. In spite of trying to dress very nicely and arguably not being too bad-looking, she ignored my glances. Probably after a Japanese gentleman (or not in the game).
On the way back, I saw some African WGs. I could not resist asking them where they were from. One told me from Mozambique. She had not reckoned on the Cunning Linguist since I immediately started talking to her in Portuguese. She seemed shocked and I came to realize that she spoke no Portuguese at all but was quite good at English. Hmmm. I told her that there was no way she could be from Maputo, Mozambique and know zero Portuguese (especially if she came all the way here to Thailand). Her friend (who spoke to the "Mozambican" in an African language) told me she was from Zimbabwe but she knew no Shona but she knew some French, a very rare thing indeed from somebody educated in poor Zimbabwe schools. My conclusion was that they were Nigerians. I would be very leery of somebody who does not admit to what country they are from. The alleged Zimbabwean kept telling me, come to my place and I will drain your balls"! Hmmm. Maybe next time, like February 31.

[Sainter21]

Hi Guys,

Sorry if this is the wrong place to ask this but does anyone know if the pharmacys in Bangkok are selling the generic Priligy, Dapoxetine?

Would love to know.

Thanks Kindly
Jon

Not sure, but the pharmacy next to Bullies Pub (the 2nd bigger one) near the corner of Suk/Soi 4 stocks a large range of medications. Its where I stock up for prescription meds without a prescription.

[Daddy07]

Not only do MOST foreigners/tourists not know much about local customs, but their taste in pussy is really poor. Why anybody would travel half way across the world to have sex with an over the hill mother and pay for it is beyond me. But it's this type of demand that fuels the flow of these undesirables into the marketplace, unfortunately.

Interesting … how then do you explain your own unfortunate and undesirable presence in the same marketplace?

[BionicMan]

Again, not (IMHO). It's certainly better than many other mongering destinations, and great time may be had there, sure, but it's not anymore the paradise of cheap and nice pussy that it used to be!

I friendly disagree.
Of course if you compare to past times you are right
But at the time it was "your" paradise", maybe someone was complaining "it is not as before"..

I think Barko is right when he states:

Originally Posted by Barko
Enough. Again, Bangkok is still the best deal in the world, it really is!

when we compare it to TODAY or CURRENT.
This is also what induces lots of passing by mongerers to accept high prices as still comparatively much cheaper than in their own country.

It is a no win situation and the girls take advantage: as human being they do exactly what we do. Work for our/their own benefit.
We trying not to overpay
Them trying to earn more to letting us wear their pussies

[Oldian]

Not only do MOST foreigners/tourists not know much about local customs, but their taste in pussy is really poor. Why anybody would travel half way across the world to have sex with an over the hill mother and pay for it is beyond me. But it's this type of demand that fuels the flow of these undesirables into the marketplace, unfortunately.

I once had a Thai guy tell me, "why would anyone pay money to screw a woman with a kid? We want cute young things with hot bodies, that is what we are paying for. " And it reminded me of going to Nana late one night, maybe 3-4am, and one lady told me that 1000 wouldn't be enough because she had a kid to feed. I told her that if I wanted to pay 1500, I could go to Petchaburi massage places, get a 19 year old with a perfect body, 2 shots in 2 hours, no attitude, no grief. So why on earth would I give her 1500 at 3am? Obviously someone else would.

[Oldian]

The good old days are long gone and they ain't coming back! Best to just accept it for what it is now and prepare for everything to get more expensive and the girls to become more spoiled.

That said, every time i complain and think it is going to the dogs i meet some lovely with no attitude, no talk about money, and it is just like the old days!

[Amjeck]

Their "value" is seriously inflated in the tourist-oriented venues, because most foreigners don't know the "real" value of those girls! An obvious example is the infamous "sin sot" (dowry). I know a then 30-year old divorced woman, a mother of two children, who managed to get a 250,000 baht sin sot and a nice (quite expensive) gold jewel when she remarried with a Farang gentleman, but her real "value" on the Thai "market" as a bride was actually zilch, zero, nada! A local guy would not pay anything to marry a divorced woman, especially if she's already a mother. But it's no secret for the Thai girls that many foreigners don't know much about the local customs, nor the regular prices in the Land of Smiles.

Not only do MOST foreigners/tourists not know much about local customs, but their taste in pussy is really poor. Why anybody would travel half way across the world to have sex with an over the hill mother and pay for it is beyond me. But it's this type of demand that fuels the flow of these undesirables into the marketplace, unfortunately.

[Barko]

I appreciate your opinion and I see your point. Somewhat.

Off topic a bit: In Chiang Mai, I used to get motorbike driveups. You pulled up to a specified spot, (there were MANY around town) four or five girls would come out of nowhere, (in this case sitting behind a restaurant) and wait for you to say something. The one you chose would get on your motorbike and go with you to a bungalow. She would shower you, cleaning you from head to toe and washing your hair, you then fed her, and banged the daylights out of her for as long as you wanted. Done, you both showered again and you would return her back to the same spot. Cost? Three hundred Baht (and I always assumed that I was getting overcharged for being a farang, turns out, I wasn't. Every chick was INSANELY CUTE.) If you wanted to see her again and make a booking of some sort, you gave her another hundred, if you really had a fantastic time and wanted her to stay with you it would be 500 Baht a day or 2000 Baht a week. She cooked your food and did your laundry. Yeah I know, big money. Heh.

The best deals during that timeline were in Fang. The cutest little KMT Chinese porcelain dolls in all of SE Asia. 3000 Baht/month. But I won't bore you with the details.

At any rate, I am sure that you must have been around during the heyday of the Siam Hotel in Bangkok? Hundreds of incredibly hot babies, many in student uniforms, standing near the road with their umbrellas. Drive up, pick one, 1000 Baht for 2-3 hours of bliss. Oh, yeah, then there was Lumpini?

OK, yep yep. I know, those days are long gone. BUT! I am still having the time of my life NOW: Living in Phuket and doing multiples in Bangkok on the weekends. And you will NOT hear me whining about lack of quality in Bangkok, it's there, just as it has always been, it has just spread out beyond NEP and Soi Cowboy.

My point of the magazine cover was to show just how EASY it is to score a hot chick. Those are real girls, yeah, Photoshopped a bit, but they are there, waiting to be had by some stud with a few bucks in his pocket.

Yes, I know that the Thai bar scene goes on as it always has, but it's really hard to do the multiples and get the girls going crazy (the way I like) in any of the Thai joints. The old mamas & papas & hanger-ons are constantly in my shit for lg beer freebies one after another, and fuck me I'm tired of that. Then, after everything, only ONE of the chicks actually leaves with me? Bitchen. NOT.

In the other cities that I frequent throughout Asia, the girls just don't have that same feeling of excitement (too professional) and offer far less bang for the buck. The best in the past was always Tokyo in the early 80's, but that's another story from a whole other dimension. Japanese girls used to absolutely LOVE gaijin! Yes, of course, I got spoiled rotten. But this is TODAY.

Well, again I say, Bangkok is still going strong. The party is still going in the bars, discos, streets. Oilies, biergartens and soapies. (We both know that.) And the chicks are plentiful!

IMHO, this forum is for guys that want fast easily accessible cheap sex. Period. Bangkok is full of providers, but they have just spread out into the other venues that may not be quite as EASY as it once was, but Bangkok still does have it all. Cuter, more fun loving girls, cheaper & better than anywhere else.

Quality? In Bangkok, all you have to do is get out and look.

[Fon Tok]

...I know a then 30-year old divorced woman, a mother of two children, who managed to get a 250,000 baht sin sot and a nice (quite expensive) gold jewel when she remarried with a Farang gentleman, but her real "value" on the Thai "market" as a bride was actually zilch, zero, nada! A local guy would not pay anything to marry a divorced woman, especially if she's already a mother. But it's no secret for the Thai girls that many foreigners don't know much about the local customs, nor the regular prices in the Land of Smiles.

You've got to hand it to opportunistic, crafty Thai people who scam big money out of farangs.

They are always so pleasant and nice when they do this! LOL!