Bangkok Reports

[Fon Tok]

...I know a then 30-year old divorced woman, a mother of two children, who managed to get a 250,000 baht sin sot and a nice (quite expensive) gold jewel when she remarried with a Farang gentleman, but her real "value" on the Thai "market" as a bride was actually zilch, zero, nada! A local guy would not pay anything to marry a divorced woman, especially if she's already a mother. But it's no secret for the Thai girls that many foreigners don't know much about the local customs, nor the regular prices in the Land of Smiles.

You've got to hand it to opportunistic, crafty Thai people who scam big money out of farangs.

They are always so pleasant and nice when they do this! LOL!

[Goyave]

...Thing is, you got it ALL wrong.

You must be ironical or just joking here, I suppose?

Having come here for 14 years now and lived here for 5+, it is now clear that we farang are the luckiest guys on earth these thai girls will go with us for any "reasonable" price.

We, Farangs, are indeed very privileged here (I said the same thing earlier in this thread), but I think that what most mongers are paying nowadays in the tourist-oriented venues of Bangkok is NOT "reasonable". As explained earlier, they often pay more than 25% of the local average MONTHLY wages just for spending a couple of hours with a prostitute.

...This will not last. It is already a shadow of what it was at it's peak, in the year's directly after the 97 Asian meltdown...

You wrote that I "got it ALL wrong" but you are basically saying the same thing than me: fun may still be had, but the average quality of the providers is lower and prices are much higher than in the past (especially in Bangkok).

...These girls know their value, apparently much more so that some of the posters here.

Their "value" is seriously inflated in the tourist-oriented venues, because most foreigners don't know the "real" value of those girls! An obvious example is the infamous "sin sot" (dowry). I know a then 30-year old divorced woman, a mother of two children, who managed to get a 250,000 baht sin sot and a nice (quite expensive) gold jewel when she remarried with a Farang gentleman, but her real "value" on the Thai "market" as a bride was actually zilch, zero, nada! A local guy would not pay anything to marry a divorced woman, especially if she's already a mother. But it's no secret for the Thai girls that many foreigners don't know much about the local customs, nor the regular prices in the Land of Smiles.

[Goyave]

Begs the question: How does the non-Thai speaking punter find these Thai-oriented parlours? It seems to me that this would be the perfect venue (ISG) to create a thread dedicated to these Thai parlours and brothels where this information can be shared and reviews can be written (like the other farang oriented massage threads). Price for service should be included in every report so that we don't introduce price inflation...

That's exactly what several ISG members often do in various threads. Chinatown and Saphan Kwai (in Bangkok) for instance have been mentioned earlier in this thread by several ISG senior members, many reports of this kind are also available in the Isan section of this website, etc.

[Amjeck]

IMHO, Bangkok is not even the best in Thailand for "babe quality versus pricing". Of course, one may find many hot chicks there, but also more and more unattractive girls (fatties, mothers, older girls, etc.) every year that are trying their luck on the tourist-oriented P4P market, and that's why I am saying that the average quality is lower (but it's quite the opposite for the prices of pussy, drinks, barfines, etc.).

I agree.

Also, there are more hot babes in BKK than anywhere in the country but they aren't cheap. If you're rich, BKK is heaven. If you're scrapping by then you're pretty much stuck with dregs.

[Barko]

Interesting statement, so what will be the other 2?

While not as obvious as (#1) Bangkok:

(#2) Cartagena and (#3) Budapest. Both representing extremely easy access to some of the most amazingly beautiful lovie dovie sexy-fun babies in the world (at insanely affordable prices.)

XLNT LT GFE at a low cost from a 8-9+ chick is something you just can't get in 99.999% of everywhere.

Bangkok is still tops though, by a long shot.

[Goyave]

Errr, ummm. Goyave, we have to talk.

Bangkok still has the magic, forget what the old farts say. Oh, wait. I AM an old fart, old as dirt, and I've been living in Thailand for over 25 years. WTF, I think Bangkok is actually BETTER than it was before. But that's just me. Heh.

Maybe not just you, but I am certainly not the only one that has noticed that the prices charged nowadays in Bangkok are objectively much higher than in the past while the quality (beauty) of the providers is (on average) much lower.

For what you get, Bangkok is still the best in Asia, and in the top 3 destinations in the world for babe quality versus pricing. There are more hot chicks now here in BKK than ever, they've just spread out through the industry a lot more than they were before.

IMHO, Bangkok is not even the best in Thailand for "babe quality versus pricing". Of course, one may find many hot chicks there, but also more and more unattractive girls (fatties, mothers, older girls, etc.) every year that are trying their luck on the tourist-oriented P4P market, and that's why I am saying that the average quality is lower (but it's quite the opposite for the prices of pussy, drinks, barfines, etc.).

I live here, but just to make a point, and not to puff up like a nefariously retarded rooster, (ISG is where we are right now, so fuck it.) I've done lots of places worldwide... Bangkok is still the best damn deal in the world. Bar none. It really is.

IMHO, it is not. I also live in Thailand (since year 2002), but upcountry and I consider myself a very privileged monger, and a lot more than most of the guys that are living in Bangkok. Don't get me wrong, I think that Bangkok is offering a wider choice and many things that are not available elsewhere in Thailand, but regarding our favorite hobby, I may spend some quality time with many more real cuties where I live at a much lower cost. For the price of the average barfine in Bangkok (600 baht), I can fuck two girls in a local brothel of Northeastern Thailand. Such as those, for instance:

http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...hmentid=125563
http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...hmentid=127408

Actually, I pay more than that because I usually give tips to the girls who provide a decent enough service, but the regular price even for Farang customers is 300 baht ST on premises.

Example pic from Bangkok: AngelWitch/Mandarin both are to be considered 'touristic places', yes? Of course. Now check the pic, I've personally done both of these sweet babies. 2500-3000LT and in both cases they were freakin' hell damn well worth it, AMAZING all night GFE in fact...

Those girls are real cuties, indeed, but Vun (the girl on the right) from Angel Witch in Bangkok does not look as beautiful in real life than on this doctored (especially on her face) picture that is attached to your previous post. She is still a very cute girl, though, but certainly not much more than what is available where I live for a small fraction of the price that you paid (and I suppose that you have not included her barfine, lady drinks, etc.).

I'm a very bad photographer and those girls that I've mentioned previously are more beautiful in real than on my pictures. Now, give them a sexy outfit, let them spend a few hours in a beauty salon, place them in a nicer environment and imagine what would be the result with a professional photographer... They would not need Photoshop to look as great as (maybe even better than) the "real" Vun from Angel Witch (again, IMHO). By the way, those girls are far than being the most beautiful ones that are available for much less money upcountry. The most stunning girl (available on the P4P market) that I've met (in the biblical sense) so far in Thailand cost me only 700 baht ST. The second one, only 500 baht ST. And that was not long ago.

... Now, just think, some totally clueless pimply faced dude straight off the plane from Black Oak, Arkansas, Sausset-les-Pins, France, or Ogawa, Japan, etc. Can just go directly to Nana Plaza and easily get almost the same damn deal on the same freakin' chicks, (and have the most outrageously fantastic night of his entire life!) Incredible you say? Yes! Incredible!

That's certainly not a prowess indeed, but at this price (that's a third of the local monthly average wage, not exactly a reasonable price!), I am not impressed, sorry. At least, I reckon that you have good taste in women. What is really incredible, it's that many mongers are willing to pay even more than that for girls that are much less attractive and they are convinced that it's still a bargain!

Enough. Again, Bangkok is still the best deal in the world, it really is.

Again, not (IMHO). It's certainly better than many other mongering destinations, and great time may be had there, sure, but it's not anymore the paradise of cheap and nice pussy that it used to be!

[Booey]

The good old days are long gone and they ain't coming back! Best to just accept it for what it is now and prepare for everything to get more expensive and the girls to become more spoiled.

Spoiled is right! I had a gogo girl in Pattaya tell me that she would go LT with me "but no sex in morning, Thai lady no like sex in morning." I asked her how many Thai lady she had had sex with and she replied "none." I then told her that I had had sex with many Thai ladies and we always had sex in the morning and that I knew better. Needless to say, I didn't barfine her.

[Martin00]

Interesting statement, so what will be the other 2?

Yeah, give us your feedback on this!! we want the top three!

[Martin00]

Still my favorite BJ bar. Yes, they could be younger, but the whole atmosphere is no-holds barred, out in the open, suck, fuck whatever you want in plain sight.

Walked past, picked two, went inside. Grabbed a beer and they disrobed me on the sofa. A third joined in. One was a younger, cute thing.

Getting blown by 3 girls and watched by 2 behind the bar and 1 at the door.

At the same time another monger comes in and has 2 on the other sofa.

I wanted to fuck the younger one, so she sat on me facing front and we went at it.

Another girl at the bar got naked and was getting off while watching us.

I then took the young one to the bar stool and laid her on her back and pounded away while my other 2 were licking and sucking any part of me they could.

Then back to the sofa to finish off with another blow job. One sucking my dick the other 2 sharing my balls. Shot into her mouth and then it took me a while to recover before I went and cleaned up.

$2500 for the 3 (2 BJ and one full service) +$900 tip for all 3 = $3400.

Is this bar Pattaya or Bangkok?

[Amjeck]

It wouldn't matter because guys would pay more anyways. What do you think would happen if every farang that went into Nana told the girls, "from now on, we only pay 1000 baht ST. " If that was adhered to by everyone, within 3 days of no business, the entire place would be booming with 1000 baht ST. Believe it or not, 1000 baht is still a LOT of money here. You can eat 30 times for that. But for a tourist here, it is peanuts, and of course the sight of a young hot thing will disrupt any kind of rational thought. I've had girls ask me why I can't pay them more, and have told them that I could pay them more, but that there was just no need to. And the very same girls will then say "kuhn roo maak" (you know too much), and then proceed to go home with me for 1000 baht, often repeating, often LT. But this is completely changing because they know they can get 2 or 3000 baht fairly easily if they look good or have a good line, there are plenty of guys happy to drop it. There are still many gems to be had and Thailand is still one of the better mongering spots on the planet, but the attitudes have changed drastically. It used to be that fairly large percentages of girls would go with you, never talk about money, of course they knew they would get some, and a good time was had by all, but I think that these days the whole how much, have to go back and get another guy, and just earn earn earn has become far more the norm, and it is supported by a huge number of guys just dropping lots of cash. Five years ago, even three, there were tons of freelancers that worked day jobs, whom, if a farang offered to take care of them, perhaps give 5-10, 000 baht a month, well, that was 7th heaven. These days, they see that all their friends are getting 20-30,000, even more, and they get this without ever having to work or do anything (other than shop for new sponsors in the meantime). And the ladies have become extremely adept at manipulating suckers.

The good old days are long gone and they ain't coming back! Best to just accept it for what it is now and prepare for everything to get more expensive and the girls to become more spoiled.

[Oldian]

This is spot on. Perfect observation on the working women of Bangkok.

However, can you blame them? The window of opportunity for a P4P provider to maximize their earnings is fairly narrow. Not all of them want to become old hags working at Pattaya's Coconut Bar.

From a satisfied monger's point of view, there is nothing wrong with being generous and making a service provider happy. All the girls really care about anyway, regardless of how good you think the sex was, is the money! Just all depends on how much money you have to toss around.

You are right Fon Tok, you can't blame them. I guess my beef along with the other "old timers" who have been posting here is that a lot of the fun seems to have gone out with the whole inflated pricing. Honestly, 3-4 years ago, I found it rare to ever be asked "how much you pay? " If the girl and I had rapport, we chatted, had some drinks, and off we went. The pay was 1000 baht, maybe 1500 at times, service was always good, the girl never complained or talked about the money, and it was also quite clear that it wasn't an issue, as she would repeat again and again if we'd had a good time. These days, that is somewhat disappearing. A buddy of mine met a girl in Liquid last night. She told him straight up, "you want to go with me, 2000 baht ST. But if we go now, 3000 baht" He laughed and left.

Also, during low season or times of high competition, rent due, etc etc, the supply always succeeded the demand, and even the girls who often asked for more would settle for less. That is no longer the case. In front of the Thermae at 230am the other night, on a very slow customer night, there were several girls out front looking for a guy with that desperate look in their eyes, every guy was fair game. And yet they were not budging from 2000 when asked.

[Opebo]

A lot of the upcountry brothels are staffed with lao girls. So the beauties, if any, are usually Lao.

Good looking Thai girls don't need to work in a lower-end brothel.

Even in the cheapest brothels, you (usually) don't find girls with ugly stretch marks (most of them are younger on average than on the Farang-oriented P4P market), mothers and fatties are very uncommon there.

Of course, YMMV, but IMHO, there is a lot more cuties (on average) than unattractive girls in the Thai-oriented places.

Amjeck, Goyave, just to clarify, I was, talking about the Thai-staffed places, not the Lao-staffed places. There are still quite a few Thai-staffed places at the 500 baht level around the upcountry, particularly in provinces where the Lao are not allowed, but of course far fewer than in the past, and the quality there is mediocre (and service usually worse). The Lao-staffed ones are a special case, and I fear not long to be with us.

Precisely as Amjeck points out, Thai girls who are attractive can work at higher price levels than those at the low-end brothels, so quality there is mediocre. Still, no worse than in Pattaya or Sukhumvitt.

[Johnny Wynne]

Hi Guys,

Sorry if this is the wrong place to ask this but does anyone know if the pharmacys in Bangkok are selling the generic Priligy, Dapoxetine?

Would love to know.

Thanks Kindly
Jon

[Erik Lopez]

[...] Other interesting ladies for me I didn’t see, so I went out and took taxi to CM 2 disco in Siam Novotel. I arrived around midnight. It was not so crowded this night. I made my rounds and in the end I stopped at a tall Thailady, age 28, exactly my type, nickname Fon. We agreed for 4.000 Baht till the next morning.[...]

Old German, great report and thanks for sharing.

Could you describe the looks of Fon into some more detail? I will be visiting Bangkok next week and CM2 seems like an interesting place to go to.

Cheers

[Traveller China]

For what you get, Bangkok is still the best in Asia, and in the top 3 destinations in the world for babe quality versus pricing.

Interesting statement, so what will be the other 2?