Bangkok Reports

[Rocksoff]

There are many places frequented by Thais that offer a lot better quality for the money than those above mentioned.

I'm sceptical. At the fairy-lights karaokes I was quoted 2000 to take a girl out. At the Saphan Kwai gogo's, it's supposed to be 1500 all in for ST, plus hotel (crummy 150b, or nicer 280b), but they hit you for sitting fees and cold towels and whatever, in the end it's not much cheaper. And the girls are really hit & miss (I've seen self-scarring, nasty sores around the mouth, etc). At the after-hours dives taxi drivers bring you to, the price is also around 2000b, with beers at 200b (and seriously jaded girls). On the road behind where Siam hotel used to be, the pimps also push around 2000b. I've heard mostly bad reports of the girls around Lumphini, as in rushed and hunted, and not really cheaper either. The kapoo massage places generally charge about 1000b for oil massage plus HJ, often cute girls but keep their clothes on unless you pay more. Cheapest are probably the dingier Petchaburi Rd MPs, from 1100b to 1700b, but again not the pick of the litter.

I'm leaning to the conclusion that the farang-oriented places (Cowboy, Nana, Patpong (careful), and the soapy MPs) really offer the best service for the price in Bangkok. The Thai places are interesting to explore, but I haven't seen anything like paydirt.

[Amjeck]

Barko is spot on, dress, hygiene, etc, are crucial. I cannot begin to describe the difference in how I am treated in a gogo, when I am wearing shorts and a T-shirt to when I am am wearing even freshly ironed cargo pants and a collared shirt.

I've worn nothing but shorts and t-shirts(quality shorts and shirt) in Bkk gogos and can always pull the best pussy in the place. The most important thing in scoring is being able to spend money. If you can't do this then you get no pussy. Doesn't matter how well you are dressed. The more you spend the better you are treated. Being clean and dressing nicely are important, but its more like icing on the cake. BKK is all about MONEY. If you're not prepared to spend money, don't even bother going to a gogo.

[Naughty]

...but almost every woman on earth likes the smell of plain old Aqua Velva.

It's cheap and common, but I have yet to find a TG who didn't like it.

[Booey]

Barko is spot on, dress, hygiene, etc, are crucial. I cannot begin to describe the difference in how I am treated in a gogo, when I am wearing shorts and a T-shirt to when I am am wearing even freshly ironed cargo pants and a collared shirt. There is a huge difference! The girls love my faux Tommy Bahama shirts by the way. Actually, this applies to not only the red light districts of BKK, it is my feeling that throughout Thailand you will get better treatment initially if you are reasonably well dressed.

The only thing I would add is that if you don't have a beard, then make sure you are clean shaven before you head out. Again, this is only my experience, but the Thai women I have been with hate a 1 or 2 day growth on the chops. I even had one of my regulars remind me to shave before we left for a night out on the town. I was pretty much ready to go and she gave me a big smile, and a little tilt of the head and said, Oooh, Khun "Booey", you forget shave today?" I got the message and she was all smiles and a good night was had by all.

Edit: I would also like to add that it is a matter of face for the girls. They are always watching and competing with each other. Is it, "Did you see the stinky, badly dressed Farang that Nit went with tonight, because she cannot get anything better to barfine her." or is it "Oi, I wish that man had barfined me tonight instead of Nit!"

[Kumbu]

Dress the part. Sharpen up. Wear some nice new dark gray slacks, a long sleeve square bottom black shirt, and a pair of highly polished semi long black shoes. Make it so that you cut a nice profile from the side (because this is the direction they will be checking you out from as you walk in.) This outfit may or may not be the real you, it might not be your style at all, but let's just call this your "Pussy Magnet Uniform".

Next, do your hair. Make it so it stays neat. That's easy. It doesn't matter if you think you look like a nerd, it makes a difference.

Now, make yourself smell good. Not some toilet water or fucked up men's perfume, (and not any of the "Axe" shit either.) Just good aftershave and some matching light scent deodorant.

Here Here!

it does not matter if you are handsome or not, it does not matter how old you are, it does not even matter if you are 100 lbs overweight. Just make yourself look like you are a smartly dressed fun sport, ready for anything, with nice eyes, cool money, and an easy smile.

Go Barko, Go Barko! I totally agree.

Again, without shouting. Make yourself into what they THINK they are looking for, then keep your head down and your mouth shut (like you have a secret, and in fact you do: you are going to fuck her brains out.) Then, just look into her eyes nice and studly like, think of the "Sly & the Family Stone" tune "I want to take you Higher", buy her a few drinks, smile a lot, then have the mamasan scratch her off of the book for the night. (Boom-shaka-lakka lakka-boom! Done deal.).

Bravo old chap, BRA-VO.

OK, next: A lot of times the girls will SAY short-time, and go with you to your hotel but will then stay long time after they've had a chance to check you out. Fuck it, Long-Time is just a stretched out Short-Time with more pops. Make it fun, she ain't going to leave, no way.

Damn Barko, you sound like fun, you wanna BF me??

Please do not listen to the doomsayers ranting about lack of talent in Bangkok, this is purely subjective, therefore total & absolute bullshit. There are loads of amazingly hot chicks arriving daily, even as I type. Score one for yourself, or score fifty, it's up to you.

And here is the coup de grâce. An honest man has spoken, and I urge all those whose eyes pass these pages to pay heed.

I read over and over again about how LOS is not the LOS of old. The girls are greedy, give out poor service, they run outta there in under an hour, blah blah blah. All of this is complete, useless bullshit to current mongers (or more precisely, newbies to LOS). It does not matter what it was like 30 years ago, or 10 years ago, or last year. I understand that it is natural for us to interpret our own experiences in that way (relative to what we experienced over the years), and for some, such reports are useful. And so for those of you who report things in this way (relative to 30 years of experience), I have no problem with it. But as you, Bravo, so rightly point out, such posts can be misinterpreted to mean that LOS is not worth visiting any more.

Nothing could be further from the truth - Thai girls rock.

[Goyave]

If you had enough of Nana and Cowboy (not to mention Patpong) and wish to get real quality for your hard earned cash, then come with me, I'll show you around in Bangkok, the unseen.

There are many places frequented by Thais that offer a lot better quality for the money than those above mentioned.

These incude GoGo and Karaoke bars, and even streets where the girls are of much better quality. (and of course much younger - although strictly over 18- than the leftover on Sukhumvit)

I will guide European and Asian tourists.

Why don't you write a report about those "places frequented by Thais" just here, in the ISG forums then? That's the purpose of this kind of website: exchanging information between members. But I suppose that you don't want to help the other ISG members for free, but for a fee, isn't it? Could you be more specific about the conditions, preferably by answering publicly in this thread with full details?

By the way, are you a Thai national, because if I am not mistaken, "tour guide or conducting sightseeing tours" are occupations that are prohibited to foreigners in the Land of Smiles?

[M P Lurker]

Now, make yourself smell good. Not some toilet water or fucked up men's perfume, (and not any of the "Axe" shit either.) Just good aftershave and some matching light scent deodorant.

Barko,

Nort sure what you mean by "fucked up" men's perfume. I wear perfume now sometimes, not because I like it or need it, but purely to please the Thai girl. Its her taste, e.g. Hugo Boss.
So obviously its got to smell right, not a sickly smell that makes you gag. But plenty of Thai girls like men's perfume (quality rather than el cheapo).

I thought Axe was shower gel (perfectly O.K. I'm sure), however I wouldn't try their aftershave/perfume, assuming its an el cheapo, even if TV ads suggest its a chick magnet

I used to have a lot of grey clothes and conservative tones perfectly suitable to my age. But now the Thai girl says "out with the boring old-guy stuff, and look young with plenty of colour" O.K. there are limits. At my age, hip-hop stuff would be going too far. But definitely clothes that are not completely tame, unless you are looking for a tame girl. Have a look at the best dressed guys that are 60%-70% of your age, is my recommendation!

I used to think that I could be very plain and my character would win out, but Barko is right that we need need to stand out in the bar crowd as "a prince among the frogs", which usually isn't real difficult, even if we are overweight princes. Some Thai girls even prefer cuddly guys. However being in shape is better.

I very reliable deodorant is very important (after a thorough shower of course). Mouth hygene is important too. Thais don't like body odours and are not as used to it as westerners.

Always remember that the best Thai bargirls available don't have to take just any guy. They can get some degree of choice when multiple guys will like the same girl.

So just try to make youself one of the best choices available, one way or another!

[Fon Tok]

...Dress the part. Sharpen up. Wear some nice new dark gray slacks, a long sleeve square bottom black shirt, and a pair of highly polished semi long black shoes. Make it so that you cut a nice profile from the side (because this is the direction they will be checking you out from as you walk in.) This outfit may or may not be the real you, it might not be your style at all, but let's just call this your "Pussy Magnet Uniform"...Next, do your hair. Make it so it stays neat. That's easy. It doesn't matter if you think you look like a nerd, it makes a difference...Now, make yourself smell good. Not some toilet water or fucked up men's perfume, (and not any of the "Axe" shit either.) Just good aftershave and some matching light scent deodorant.

Barko, you da man! Great advice.

This is the key to happily opening a lot of legs in Bangkok. From what I see wandering in and out of the clubs some nights, it is surprising how few guys know this.

[Lo Wu]

If you had enough of Nana and Cowboy (not to mention Patpong) and wish to get real quality for your hard earned cash, then come with me, I'll show you around in Bangkok, the unseen.

There are many places frequented by Thais that offer a lot better quality for the money than those above mentioned.

These incude GoGo and Karaoke bars, and even streets where the girls are of much better quality. (and of course much younger - although strictly over 18- than the leftover on Sukhumvit)

I will guide European and Asian tourists.

[Barko]

Experts,

I'm scheduled for Thailand for 3 weeks, was thinking mostly BKK and Pattaya. But recent posts have been saying a lot of the 'talent' is gone. Also, I'm approaching 50 and not exactly thin any more-last trip I definitely got a good number of rejects, esp for LT and esp w/the top of the crop. Quite a few girls (in both Thailand and Germany) think I'm Arab/Iranian and apparently don't like folks from that part of the world.

Also, Pattaya even in good times is at least 50% older ladies, mothers, not exactly the male fantasy.

Seriously considering cancelling the trip.

I do see people mention other regions, but don't know any of them (except a little about Phuket, never been there tho). Are there other regions worth going to? Rent a car? 1 week BKK, 1 week Pattaya, where else 1 other week?

Got no idea what to do so any input helpful.

No idea? Really?

Do not cancel your trip. Bangkok has thousands of super hot babies just waiting for you. Yes, they are waiting just for YOU.

P4P or otherwise, you don't have to be some skinny little 30-40 year old Japanese business guy to score chicks in Bangkok, not hardly.

OK [tonyrobbinsserver]: "If you do what you've always done, you'll get what you've always gotten. "[/tonyrobbinsserver]

Let's get up for this now: You think you are too old & chunky to get the goods? FUCK THAT! Simply present yourself as if you have what is THEY want. Dress the part. Sharpen up. Wear some nice new dark gray slacks, a long sleeve square bottom black shirt, and a pair of highly polished semi long black shoes. Make it so that you cut a nice profile from the side (because this is the direction they will be checking you out from as you walk in.) This outfit may or may not be the real you, it might not be your style at all, but let's just call this your "Pussy Magnet Uniform".

Next, do your hair. Make it so it stays neat. That's easy. It doesn't matter if you think you look like a nerd, it makes a difference.

Now, make yourself smell good. Not some toilet water or fucked up men's perfume, (and not any of the "Axe" shit either.) Just good aftershave and some matching light scent deodorant.

Wow, does it sound like you are going on a date? Umm, yeah. But fuck it, it's sooo easy, and believe me, this deal works. I saw a very dark skinned man last week in Tilac, looked Libyan or Egyptian, heavy set. And yeah, you know, he had three of the hottest chicks in the place sitting with him. As far as I was concerned, he could have been Joe Shmoe shoe salesman from Madison Wisconsin, but not this night, the guy knew how to play the chicks, he was dressed the part, and it was working.

Last weekend I noticed an Indian looking guy in AngelWitch, looked Punjabi, big white beard the works, he was massively overweight, but he DEFINITELY had the hottest chick in there, and fuck me, she was all over the guy, sitting on his lap, and about ready to do the dude right there.

it does not matter if you are handsome or not, it does not matter how old you are, it does not even matter if you are 100 lbs overweight. Just make yourself look like you are a smartly dressed fun sport, ready for anything, with nice eyes, cool money, and an easy smile.

Again, without shouting. Make yourself into what they THINK they are looking for, then keep your head down and your mouth shut (like you have a secret, and in fact you do: you are going to fuck her brains out.) Then, just look into her eyes nice and studly like, think of the "Sly & the Family Stone" tune "I want to take you Higher", buy her a few drinks, smile a lot, then have the mamasan scratch her off of the book for the night. (Boom-shaka-lakka lakka-boom! Done deal.).

OK, next: A lot of times the girls will SAY short-time, and go with you to your hotel but will then stay long time after they've had a chance to check you out. Fuck it, Long-Time is just a stretched out Short-Time with more pops. Make it fun, she ain't going to leave, no way.

Please do not listen to the doomsayers ranting about lack of talent in Bangkok, this is purely subjective, therefore total & absolute bullshit. There are loads of amazingly hot chicks arriving daily, even as I type. Score one for yourself, or score fifty, it's up to you.

Now keep remembering this: The girls are there to make some fast easy money. You HAVE the money, now simply make it easy for them. [color=red]Make it so they don't have to THINK about it.

Bangkok is STILL the best place for it.

There it is.

[Run Mann]

Head to Nana Liquid and the music is loud. I don't particularly like the place but it is open like until 5 or 6AM and a pick up place so why not. Notice 2 tall girls, one at each end of the bar. The one who stands near the pool tables toasts me, then introduces me to her sister and she hugs the manager, some French guy. OK we dance... She is very skinny, wearing a black dress, smells good, grinds, it all looks fine, she wants 2000 Baht, looks excited that she is going to get them, we head for the hotel.

In the room she won't undress or take her shoes off, I figure something is wrong but no there is no way she is a LB, I check her out, cannot tell but really don't think so. Then she asks me what I am thinking about, I go for a manual check of the situation, she does not allow, yes she is a LB, what the f*** I cannot believe it.

M: Why not tell me in the club?
LB: I thought you knew. Do you want me to go?
M: Yes please.
LB: OK bye. Are you going back to the club?
M: Never again. Bye.

I reckon it might have been the drinks but frankly almost a perfect copy! And I am so glad he did not undress and did not make any trouble to leave, did not even ask for money for the taxi.

By the way I thought this could not happen in the clubs but I remember that one night in Baccara with my GF of the night, she pointed out at a young stud kissing a beauty in a blue dress in the bar upstairs. My GF told me, she does not work here she is a lady boy, the waitress confirmed.

Perhaps I need to stick to MPs after all...

This topic has been discussed countless times but the situation should have manifested itself to you upon hearing his voice. Read the Identify TVs Thread for some good tips, you can also check their gender on their ID cards or ask the hotel receptionist or security guard for help identifying the gender on their ID cards, although in your situation you didn’t lose much.

[Amjeck]

I was barhopping and stopped there because some Coyote girl brought me in. Normally you can't take them out and they are easily recognized by their uniform.

Noramally? You should say, "You can't take them out, PERIOD"! If anyone has been able to barfine a coyote on cowboy, please share.

I will say it again, the whole concept is lame. All the cute ones are non-barfinable and all the ugly ones you can barfine. I don't get it, but I noticed this trend came about the same time as the Japanese invasion took place on soi cowboy. Is there a correlation?

[Mahal]

I was barhopping and stopped there because some Coyote girl brought me in. Normally you can't take them out and they are easily recognized by their uniform.

I would have left the bar after one drink but my attention was caught by several girls I could have done. Unfotunately the one I picked, Joyce, was an expert in the art of camouflaging hanging boobs flattened, or should I say destroyed by a resent pregnancy into perky breasts. I did not find out until it was too late, oh well, that is what doggy is for.

But I will go check the place again, see if the other girls in this bar also have something to hide...

[Mahal]

So I have been to all the clubs on Soi Cowboy, taken out twice from Baccara (both times a nice experience though one of the girls was crazy and bit me strong enough to mark my skin for a week), the other time I bet on the results of a soccer game with the girl, won and she invited me for lunch the next day (she paid!), been hit in the forehead by a ping pong ball and that particular night I am still looking for my dream girl of the night after the bars close.

Head to Nana Liquid and the music is loud. I don't particularly like the place but it is open like until 5 or 6AM and a pick up place so why not. Notice 2 tall girls, one at each end of the bar. The one who stands near the pool tables toasts me, then introduces me to her sister and she hugs the manager, some French guy. OK we dance... She is very skinny, wearing a black dress, smells good, grinds, it all looks fine, she wants 2000 Baht, looks excited that she is going to get them, we head for the hotel.

In the room she won't undress or take her shoes off, I figure something is wrong but no there is no way she is a LB, I check her out, cannot tell but really don't think so. Then she asks me what I am thinking about, I go for a manual check of the situation, she does not allow, yes she is a LB, what the f*** I cannot believe it.

M: Why not tell me in the club?
LB: I thought you knew. Do you want me to go?
M: Yes please.
LB: OK bye. Are you going back to the club?
M: Never again. Bye.

I reckon it might have been the drinks but frankly almost a perfect copy! And I am so glad he did not undress and did not make any trouble to leave, did not even ask for money for the taxi.

By the way I thought this could not happen in the clubs but I remember that one night in Baccara with my GF of the night, she pointed out at a young stud kissing a beauty in a blue dress in the bar upstairs. My GF told me, she does not work here she is a lady boy, the waitress confirmed.

Perhaps I need to stick to MPs after all...

[Guido88]

I admit that I did come off a little cynical, but I wanted to make a point and I think a harsh reminder is needed for nearly everyone once in awhile. I have also recently finished reading Private Dancer, which Stickman assures me is the most accurate portrayal of the bargirl scene out there. If you haven't read it, I suggest that you do, it is quite the eye-opener.

I also have to admit that when it comes down to it, I can actually be a bit of a softie. I treat the girls with respect and I am kind to them, hell, I've even spent 50 baht on getting a girl something to eat or drink on the way to the hotel! I do my research before going to SEA and I pay them what I deem to be the fair rate at the time, I do not overpay, at least in my mind, and I have never had any complaints from the girls. If I think they want too much (too mut), I generally walk. I don't want to take a pissed off bg back to my loom, if she thinks I am a Cheap Charlie, I'm guessing the service is going to be pretty bad.

As I mentioned in my previous post, I do have some regular go to girls,who all know that I am a bit of a butterfly (because I told them that I am), and I do treat them better than other girls. I pay them the same rate as other girls, but if I am in the mood, I will take them to a Disco, dinner or to see some live music, etc. But, they all know it is up to me, not them. I even took the time to teach one my regs to swim. Although this turned out to be much more to my benefit than hers, as after a couple of "lessons" she asked if she could bring some friends next time. Woohoo!

Here's the thing though, I genuinely like my regulars, they are fun and they give good service, and I honestly believe that, in fact, they actually like me. BUT, I never lose sight of the fact that in the end it boils down to money. They know I am a butterfly and they also know that if they complain about it, then we are done and I know that if they hit the mother lode with another customer then we are, in some cases, also done. If they have a sponsor or boyfriend then I wish them well and leave it to them to contact me.

Booey

I was kidding with the cynic remark. Cynicism is often the result of extensive experience.

Your post was directly on target. Although we all sometimes click with providers attempting to take the relationship anywhere beyond client/hooker or towards home is both futile and expensive.

I find that by treating the girls in a nice manner with humor makes for good current and future sessions. But that is the extent of it.

Hate to see any monger (Rocco) mistake a good time for true love.

Guido88