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07-06-09 08:17 #6609Great report Crocodil.
Originally Posted by Crocodilexp
When I were first time in Bangkok (about 1992), I had a "city map for male" bought in a sex shop. They had such maps for many cities, then. But, since internet is wider spread such maps are obsolent.
Well, the map shows all the GoGos in Patpong, NEP and Cowboy. At this time Patpong were quite good. Nowadays it sucks.
Also, there were alot of the Massage Parlours which still excists. I were in Chaopraya III because of the recommendation of that map.
Well, there were also numerous Brothel on the Map spread over whole Bangkok. The names of the Brothels were usually Hotel 11, Hotel 25, Hotel 34, etc. Once I were in such a Brothel, guess it was on one of the Sukhumvit sois.
I entered, the Papasan lead me to a room were I sat on a chair and soon some shy girls enter the room, sitting down on some benches. Now, it was my turn to choose. Than payed the price (500 or 800 I don't remember) went to room and did the job. The girls were quite pretty, but shy. Guess this kind of Brothels do not more excists in Bangkok.
In Chiang Mai I did it more often.
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07-06-09 06:58 #6608Most of the bars will have quota for the number of lady drinks, if they do not sell that many then it will be deducted form their pay. The same is true with barfines, if they do not meet the quota, then they will pay the rest. If they want another day off then they must bar fine themselves. Originally Posted by Great Guy
Every bar will be a little different, but the quotas are pretty standard, just how many is the question. I have a friend who used to be a dancer, but she has gotten too old, so she is now a waitress. Her bar fine is more, and she cannot be taken out on the weekend or holidays. When she was a dancer, her quota was 60 lady drinks/ month and 15 bar fines. So many months she worked for free, just the tips that she got under the table. Now that she is a waitress, she has not been barfined in nine months. I barfined her one night and took her and a friend to dinner and all the girls cheered because she finially got a night off. The amount that she made when whe was a dancer was 50thb/lady drink.
The amounts may be a little different for each bar, but this will give you an idea on what they make.
My GF runs a kareoke bar and the singers make on the average 300thb a night. If they go with a customer, they must pay the barfine (300thb). Their set up is different, there are no lady drinks or barfines for the customers, the gals just sit and help you drink
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07-06-09 06:34 #6607Great report. I was thinking on similar lines about a present, but you have now persuaded me. Off now to find the teddy bear shop before Miss N arrives :-) Originally Posted by AndyBKK
Thai girls love teddy-bears, then again all girls do. 300-400B can get you a lot in return, so it is a good return on your investment. Remember a lot of customers tip, but not many give gifts. Besides she can look at the bear and long for the day you will return to Thailand. ( yeah, right
) Freebies will be had if you do this.
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07-06-09 05:14 #6606GREAT report, Andy! I would only add some finer details, and I'm sorry I don't have the actual numbers, but I've been told by one of my BarGirl friends that there's something of a sliding scale on how much the girl gets of the cost of a lady-drink. Originally Posted by AndyBKK
Maybe this varies from bar to bar, but I was told that she gets a smaller amount for the first so-many drinks each month, a larger cut for the next so-many, and an even larger cut for drinks in excess of a certain amount each month. This same sort of sliding scale also applies to the number of times she gets bar-fined per month. In fact, she is required to have a certain number of bar-fines per month or there will be some deduction from her salary. After she reaches that number there is no deduction and if she reaches some higher number of bar-fines she gets a cut of the bar-fine.
As I said, the actual numbers (or even this "sliding scale" arrangement) may vary from bar to bar. But can anyone provide more information on this?
GG
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07-06-09 04:23 #6605a great insight to bar-girls. Originally Posted by andybkk
i haven't posted for a while, so i thought i would add something to this forum.
many guys come to bkk for the very first time and experience the awesomeness of the go-go bars here, but have many misconceptions of how the bars functions. here's a short list of what you need to know about them in no particular order of importance.
-all of the girls "must" come to work. the girls and the mamason all get 2 days off each month. if they do not show up to work they will have to pay for the bar fine that day, usually 600b
-most of the girls will come on time 6:30-7pm. if they are late they will be fined by the bar, resulting in a deduction in salary
-it is better to tip than buy a lady drink. here's why, the bars normally charge 120-160 for a lady drink. she only gets 50b of that, so i usually buy one drink if press for another one by the manager, i'd refuse, instead i would slip the girl a 100b note that will get her to smile.
-girls who are bar-fined for short time will come back, not all but a lot will. when i first went there i read somewhere on this forum that once a lady gets bar-fined she can not return back to work for the night that is false info. so it is better to go early if you want the "first shot".
-thai girls, even girls working in go-go bars are extremely jealous. if you go with one, one night and return to go with another, don't expect her to be please with you. she might refuse to go with you again ever because you have made her "lose face" in front of her bar friends. so if she really like a girl and you want to repeat with her, simply avoid her bar for that night. she will understand.
-thai girls love teddy-bears, then again all girls do. 300-400b can get you a lot in return, so it is a good return on your investment. remember a lot of customers tip, but not many give gifts. besides she can look at the bear and long for the day you will return to thailand. ( yeah, right ) freebies will be had if you do this.
-the staff, mamason, and girls working in the bars will lie bluntly to you about everything and anything. for example, i was in a nana bar when i notice a really good looking girl sitting with another customer. so the moment the customer leaves i motioned for her to come sit with me. granted i was drunk, but i came to realized that "she" was a "he". a very good looking "he", but nevertheless, a "he". i asked the servers and the mamason about this and i was repeatably assured "there are no lady boys working here". well, i did not pay the bar fine and went to another bar, only to fine out from other girls i know who used to work in that bar that there are lady boys. so be warned, trust no one, not even yourself.
-there's a 10,000b lifetime bar-fine. if you plan to spend a little time in thailand and have decided to spend it with your sexy new friend. you should do the calculations.
if you plan on spending more than 16 days with her, you should ask the mamason about the 10k life-time bar fine for her. this means that for as long as the girl stays with you, you're covered. even on the next time you come to thailand.
i would only do this if you are sure that the girl is someone you want to spend a lot of time with. i have done this on one occasion and the investment is worth it.
for the girl, it is a honor to have a customer paid this amount. so she will be very pleased with you.
this works in most go-go bars. just ask the mamason.
-the mamason/staff/girls will try to squeeze you for tips. say no. there's no shame in it because it is there job to squeeze you and it is your choice to say no.
-a lot of girls like simple food, so do take them to fancy places where they will feel out of place and can not eat the food. i can not recall how many times a girl i am with will tell me about a unpleasant experience eating sushi, mcdonalds, arabic food. ( i like all time of food) just take them to a nice thai restaurant and feed them, if you want, otherwise send them home, so they can get their papaya salad. ( this alone will save u a lot of money)
-most ( almost all) girls are looking for sponsors, who will spend them money each money, so they can brag to their girls-friends about it. so be warned.
-dancers are paid 7-10,000b per month, waitress are paid 5000b-6000b per month. 50b paid to the lady for a lady drink. mamason are paid 15,000b per month.
-you can bar-fined the waitresses. many will go with you, the only reason why they don't dance is because they're either too shy to or don't know how.
-the many girls are **** in the go-go bars, so if this is a concern check their ids. this year is 2552 for the buddhist calendar, so do the math. ( if the police shows up and your girl runs and hide in the back, then she's ****) you don't need to worry, the police are their to collect their bribe money. they will not even look at you.
-most are either in a relationship or looking to get into one with a thai guy. many girls will lie about their "brother", who is actually their thai bf. if your thai girl has a brother/male cousin living with her or just hangs around, then you will know. thai girls do not live with brother/male cousin alone! ( i've been fooled by this. )
-you can not rescue them. simply because they do not want you to rescue them. some of these go-go bars girls enjoy a carefree lifestyle and i have seen many sponsor expect them to stay home and not go out at night. unless you are living here, this will not happen, so please get that out of your head. the relationship will end with you being called a controlling freak ( no offense, i've been called that once or twice)
-now and then a thai girl, who is working in a go-go will fall in love with you for one reason or another. these reasons can be genuine so you can open your heart if you want. the choice is up to you.
i hope my article will save you from reading some mis-information and give you a better understanding of the underbelly of bangkok go-go bars. i don't have much insider experience for pattaya, but my guess is that most of what i've written here can be apply there too.
i apologized for the many errors in grammar and spelling.
editor's note: i would suggest that the author or another forum member consider posting a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please click here for more information.
i would differ on a couple of minor points.
not every girl loves working in the bar. therefore there is a percentage who want to be rescued by a white knight in shining armour. but you have have to really know the girl first. many will take multiple sponsers either instead of being rescued or up until right knight arrives.
there are certain bars that have stiff fines for ladies not making their quote of lady drinks for the month. so buying lady drinks can really help the girls short of their quota as much as a cash tip.
it turns out that i rarely wanted to drink much alcohol and don't drink beer.
so rather than buy myself a drink, i could assist the girl by buying her a drink and then stealing it back to drink myself.
by all means ask the girl if she would prefer a lady drink or a tip.
tossing ping pong balls to the girls is a means for the bar to rip you off as the house takes half of the money. better to give all the girls a small tip rather have the most aggressive girls get most of the balls and the shy ones get very little. or just tip the girls you like.
guys that are not on a tight budget can afford to spend a little on tips. being really stingy with girls that are really struggling finacially does not make you well liked.
90% of girls in the bar are wondering how they will be able to pay the rent etc.
mostly the gogo bars get boring pretty quickly, unless there are particular girls that you really like.
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07-06-09 02:30 #6604
How Bangkok Go-go bars work
i haven't posted for a while, so i thought i would add something to this forum.
many guys come to bkk for the very first time and experience the awesomeness of the go-go bars here, but have many misconceptions of how the bars functions. here's a short list of what you need to know about them in no particular order of importance.
-all of the girls "must" come to work. the girls and the mamason all get 2 days off each month. if they do not show up to work they will have to pay for the bar fine that day, usually 600b
-most of the girls will come on time 6:30-7pm. if they are late they will be fined by the bar, resulting in a deduction in salary
-it is better to tip than buy a lady drink. here's why, the bars normally charge 120-160 for a lady drink. she only gets 50b of that, so i usually buy one drink if press for another one by the manager, i'd refuse, instead i would slip the girl a 100b note that will get her to smile.
-girls who are bar-fined for short time will come back, not all but a lot will. when i first went there i read somewhere on this forum that once a lady gets bar-fined she can not return back to work for the night that is false info. so it is better to go early if you want the "first shot".
-thai girls, even girls working in go-go bars are extremely jealous. if you go with one, one night and return to go with another, don't expect her to be please with you. she might refuse to go with you again ever because you have made her "lose face" in front of her bar friends. so if she really like a girl and you want to repeat with her, simply avoid her bar for that night. she will understand.
-thai girls love teddy-bears, then again all girls do. 300-400b can get you a lot in return, so it is a good return on your investment. remember a lot of customers tip, but not many give gifts. besides she can look at the bear and long for the day you will return to thailand. ( yeah, right ) freebies will be had if you do this.
-the staff, mamason, and girls working in the bars will lie bluntly to you about everything and anything. for example, i was in a nana bar when i notice a really good looking girl sitting with another customer. so the moment the customer leaves i motioned for her to come sit with me. granted i was drunk, but i came to realized that "she" was a "he". a very good looking "he", but nevertheless, a "he". i asked the servers and the mamason about this and i was repeatably assured "there are no lady boys working here". well, i did not pay the bar fine and went to another bar, only to fine out from other girls i know who used to work in that bar that there are lady boys. so be warned, trust no one, not even yourself.
-there's a 10,000b lifetime bar-fine. if you plan to spend a little time in thailand and have decided to spend it with your sexy new friend. you should do the calculations.
if you plan on spending more than 16 days with her, you should ask the mamason about the 10k life-time bar fine for her. this means that for as long as the girl stays with you, you're covered. even on the next time you come to thailand.
i would only do this if you are sure that the girl is someone you want to spend a lot of time with. i have done this on one occasion and the investment is worth it.
for the girl, it is a honor to have a customer paid this amount. so she will be very pleased with you.
this works in most go-go bars. just ask the mamason.
-the mamason/staff/girls will try to squeeze you for tips. say no. there's no shame in it because it is there job to squeeze you and it is your choice to say no.
-a lot of girls like simple food, so do take them to fancy places where they will feel out of place and can not eat the food. i can not recall how many times a girl i am with will tell me about a unpleasant experience eating sushi, mcdonalds, arabic food. ( i like all time of food) just take them to a nice thai restaurant and feed them, if you want, otherwise send them home, so they can get their papaya salad. ( this alone will save u a lot of money)
-most ( almost all) girls are looking for sponsors, who will spend them money each money, so they can brag to their girls-friends about it. so be warned.
-dancers are paid 7-10,000b per month, waitress are paid 5000b-6000b per month. 50b paid to the lady for a lady drink. mamason are paid 15,000b per month.
-you can bar-fined the waitresses. many will go with you, the only reason why they don't dance is because they're either too shy to or don't know how.
-the many girls are **** in the go-go bars, so if this is a concern check their ids. this year is 2552 for the buddhist calendar, so do the math. ( if the police shows up and your girl runs and hide in the back, then she's ****) you don't need to worry, the police are their to collect their bribe money. they will not even look at you.
-most are either in a relationship or looking to get into one with a thai guy. many girls will lie about their "brother", who is actually their thai bf. if your thai girl has a brother/male cousin living with her or just hangs around, then you will know. thai girls do not live with brother/male cousin alone! ( i've been fooled by this. )
-you can not rescue them. simply because they do not want you to rescue them. some of these go-go bars girls enjoy a carefree lifestyle and i have seen many sponsor expect them to stay home and not go out at night. unless you are living here, this will not happen, so please get that out of your head. the relationship will end with you being called a controlling freak ( no offense, i've been called that once or twice)
-now and then a thai girl, who is working in a go-go will fall in love with you for one reason or another. these reasons can be genuine so you can open your heart if you want. the choice is up to you.
i hope my article will save you from reading some mis-information and give you a better understanding of the underbelly of bangkok go-go bars. i don't have much insider experience for pattaya, but my guess is that most of what i've written here can be apply there too.
i apologized for the many errors in grammar and spelling.
editor's note: i would suggest that the author or another forum member consider posting a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please click here for more information.
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07-05-09 20:09 #6603Great report Pablo! Originally Posted by Pablo
I will be staying at the Majestic Grande in August, directly opposite Annie's, on Soi 2 closer to Sukhumvit than Mariott. The MJ is little on the expensive side, rated 3, 700 for walk-in room including breakfast, but I got 3, 000 for a Deluxe Room thru internet. Anyways best value for money in my (short) BKK experience being 1 week last August.
Will definitely check than new place out! Would be great if they maintain that 3am closing time deal and prices. 2, 000 baht for LT, literaly 100m from my hotel wow! However you didn't mention if they had barfines applicable.
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07-05-09 09:40 #6602I think it's actually the opposite --that the ladyboys are the ones invading the space of the hot ladies. It used to be (is it still? I'm not in BKK) that the LB's would stand right in front of the Nana entrance, same side of street, and the real girls would be across the street and in the parking lot. It seems as if the LB's have crossed the street, so to speak, invaded enemy territory. Originally Posted by Key Master
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07-05-09 09:36 #6601Many gals, even with attitude, is a big step up from when I was there. It was totally empty in March 2007, this just after midnight when it would have been hopping in the past. Originally Posted by Henryv
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07-05-09 08:49 #6600Not sure, I thought his/her face was attractive. She's pretty aggressive out there with the walk and eye contact. He/She'll do it even when with someone. This one is hard to tell by first glance for sure. No reason for someone so attractive to have to work it that hard, and the locations this person works and traits don't jibe. Originally Posted by PinkPearl
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07-05-09 08:46 #6599I think the best time for Spice Club appears just after 12. Not sure if the women come in right before 12 when the cover charge turns on. The cover is 200 baht after 12 and includes one drink. Not sure if the women who come in before 12 are forced to buy a drink or not. It goes until 3 am. I got a pretty woman there around 2:30 the other night when I didn't think I was going to get anything. The ones I liked were already with other guys by the time I got there around 1:30. The one I got, cleared Q Bar to come to Spice. Originally Posted by Wendella
I am very confident about my ability to pick out LB's. It confounds my mind why certain really attractive ladies would pick certain spots that have been infested by LB's is my issue. And you know what, I play it safe, and if I'm not sure of a certain person's sex, I just pass. This country is the hardest one in regards to quality to me on picking them all out. There are quite a few amazing ones here.
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07-04-09 20:07 #6598
Bangkok off the beaten track
As a long-term resident, I'd like to know more about Bangkok low-end venues off the beaten track (outside of lower Sukhumwit, Silom, major soapies).
I'm fascinated by seedy sex-work corners on their own (going with a girl is not a primary motivation), so all this is purely for academic purposes, of course
To get the talk rolling, I'll list a few places with very sparse info I have on them.
Pherburi
* Khampaeng Phet 7 (behind the old Siam hotel). After 10pm, plenty of streetwalkers stand in groups along the dark street (KP 7). Customers mostly come in cars, ST rate seems to be 1500. Girls look good but are obviously pimped, and there's collusion on the price. Never took part, seems like poor value.
Sanam Luang
* Not much on the circle itself, few OK looking girls at Thammasat side, with pimps standing across the street.
* Area east of Sanam Luang, and south of Khao San Road is teeming with low-class walkers after 5pm. The area is bounded by Rachini / Rachadamnoen Klang / Dinso and Bamrung Muang roads (see Google maps). Some girls look OK, but the neighborhood seems very dirty, a rare place in central BKK where you can still see hogs and chicken. Got offers for 500 (so they'd take less) from a girl who was OK looking. Didn't partake, dirty streets that put me off, but would have taken the same in Sukhumwit.
Yaowarat
* Yaowarat Soi 2 (? ), the busy paved touristy street with huge seafood places at the entrance. There 5-10 *Chinese* walkers, starting in the afternoon. Usually not good looking, but on some nights there are OK ones. Even good looking ones agree to 400 baht (you offer 300, they'll counter with 500.- if you just ask, they'll quote a 1000+). Decent ST hotel is near Texas massage in the small side soi (160 baht).- go to *your* choice of ST place, not theirs. Service is generally bad, but given the price and novelty worth it.
* Traffic circle / Mit Phan / Maitri Chit roads. Thai streetwalkers (50+) ranging from 300 to 600 based on the looks.- they seem desperate. ST hotels look ofputting, a passable one is near the new condo project.
* Shopping mall above Tesco (might be Yaowarat Soi 8) has plenty of massage and Karaoke places on 2nd floor. Seems like a place for old Chinese men, with equally old Chinese hookers. Can't quite figure it out.
It would be great if experienced members could point out other similar off-Farang-track places. Few questions:
* Anything in Phahurat? I never did an Indian.
* Are there any brothel-type places in Bangkok? By this, I don't mean the high-end "massage", but similar to Thai upcontry knock-shops.
* Anything else in Yaowarat (perhaps more upscale, preferably with Chinese girls)?
* Anything in Pinklao or elsewhere on Thonburi side?
In Bangkok asking a taxi or a tuk tuk driver for hidden low end places is futile.- they always direct me to major zones we all know, or MPs where they earn a commission. Very different than upcountry, where tuk tuk drivers are a great source of info.
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07-04-09 16:04 #6597
Angel Disco - Nana Hotel
Amen:
Remember this place from my last trip. There was a cover to get in and, worst of all, many of the gals gave you an attitude.
Stay away.
Originally Posted by Wendella
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07-04-09 15:09 #6596I wonder if that's the same one I've seen around that area a number of times during the last year or two. She claimed to be half German, large breasts, slim, very white skinned, face not particularly attractive to me. Originally Posted by Key Master
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07-04-09 14:24 #6595
New Bar – "Nana Place" on Soi Annie's
I’m long overdue with a post so I figured I’d send one out on the brand new place that just opened up on Annie’s Side Soi between Soi 4 (Nana) and Soi 2 in the bottom of the Rajah Hotel (enter from the street).
I was walking down the street with my laundry from Soi 4 to the Marriott on Soi 2 when I came across a big party in the middle of the street with about 50 tables set out, DJ, Beer Leo and Singha girls, food and coyote dancers. It was the grand opening party for “Nana Place” a brand new bar in the Rajah Hotel. It’s right next door to Annie’s soapie place.
I talked with a guy in a suit who encouraged me to come back so I dropped off the laundry and sort of forgot about it. I ended up on Soi 4 an hour later and noticed a smokin little hottie in tiny cut off shorts, nice perky chest and high heels and proceeded to follow her as she turned into Annie’s soi and sat down at a table at the party with some friends for a few minutes then she went into the bar. So what else to do but follow.
Inside I was the only customer with about 40 girls seated to the left and an empty stage that they promised would have dancers after 7PM. I found my little hottie and invited her and her friend to sit with me. I also chatted with the mama who explained it was 1500 ST to take a girl upstairs (includes girl, bar fine and room), and 2000 LT to take a girl to your hotel and 1500 for ST to your hotel.
I asked to see the rooms with my 2 new friends so mama took us down a hall behind the bar, thru the Rajah dining room (more on that later) and to reception where she got the key. We then took the elevator to the 3rd floor. I paid mama 3000THB and had a great time with the two girls for 90 minutes or so. Nothing special to report, they were very pretty by Nana standards and fun. It was their very first night and I literally scooped them up 5 minutes into their very first shift. They had previously worked at a naughty massage place somewhere else in Bangkok that serviced Thai and farang.
Some observations:
1. The rooms are OK but now I wished I brought them back to my room in the JW Marriott which is 500 yards away for the same price. But then my report would be incomplete!
2. The Rajah room had two small single beds, too small for a decent 3-some. We should have pushed them together I suppose.
3. The room was pretty plain and sort of clean I suppose, but no hot water. At the end we found the hot water going into a drain under the sink via a disconnected hose. The cold showers sucked.
4. The bar itself has a weird layout, there are just 2 couches in front of the stage, and while I sat with my 2 girls the other 40 girls all were looking and talking about us I suppose. I’m not a paranoid type and didn’t care…but it was a bit weird. They are almost in a sideline type arrangement.
5. I think they had all the girls there for the opening, but that would be a lot of girl for that size place on a normal night I think unless this bar gets really popular.
6. Other than the 2 couches and the couches the girls sit on, there are high bar chairs and tables in the rest of the bar. Not the best layout.
7. They only serve Leo, Singha and Heineken, no Chang (my beer of choice).
8. Another bad thing: you have to pass thru the Rajah restaurant going to/from the rooms. Again, I don’t care that much but coming back there were a bunch of people eating (normal Thais) so needless to say a big old farang parading thru the restaurant with two young hotties in skimpy bar outfits arm in arm got some stares. I guess we could have gone outside on a normal night but I didn’t do it in front of the party.
9. The mama told me they close at 3AM or later because they have special permission from the police. I’m not sure if that’s just tonight with the party or every night. There were many police at the party enjoying the free beer and food and coyote dancers.
10. Mama said the girls are from all over, but the two I got were Issan girls (imagine that).
Bottom line: it’s worth a visit and I think it could be improved. The girls and pretty and they are new for now.
If you read this tonight (July 4th) swing by the party!
Sorry for the long post but I hope this is helpful.
Pablo
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