Bangkok Reports

[NicFrenchy]

I think this is a dangerous topic to get on as it does tend to end up being racist in the end.

The whole notion of IQs is suspect, IMO. The tests to measure IQ are formulated largely in the West and therefore biased. They fail to take into account cultural issues or modes of thinking, which differ quite dramatically between East and West.

Although I don't have any empirical evidence to back this up, from personal experience I'd say that despite India scoring lower than Thailand, Indian students are head and shoulders above Thai students in just about any subject. Thais remain the worst students in terms of general knowledge, critical thinking and overall intelligence of any I've ever taught.

My reply was just meant to be tongue in Cheek, not serious at all LOL
I don't care about IQ and as Mick said it is quite possible to have a high IQ and still be dumb

[Terry Terrier]

.....rundown of marriage worthy status for thai well to do, gleaned from thai matriarch at extremely hi-so bangkok condo dressy pool party last fall...

this is the group, read em and weep:

1. chinese thai with known wealthy family, (not as mia noi. chinese thai collect mia noi recognized as bragging rite habit)
2. thai national with known wealthy family.
3. chinese national with money (hong kong/macau 100% preferred.)
4. korean national with money.
5. singaporean national with money.
6. farang, preferably california american with lots of money. (up from entirely off top ten listing)
7. japanese national with money (japanese are now considered tightwads, down 4 listings)
8. thai national with middle class family, dr or upwardly mobile banking/political status please. (down 3 listings)
9. farang, italian, i.e. milano, with lots of old money, no northern nor eastern europeans need apply (uk inclusive.)
10. malaysian chinese, with lots of money. (known tightwads, down 5 listings).....

good luck to 'em finding spouses. it's hard to imagine any well-balanced person wanting to marry into this nonsense. anyone with half a brain can make money without these twits. most of them will end up more-or-less inbreeding, same as their peers the world over, making their next generations even less appealing. leave them to implode. they will, eventually.

[Old Thai Hand]

Well, yeah they probably are smarter, I mean, seeing as caucasions don't exist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQ_and_...lth_of_Nations

Thailand is # 40 with an IQ of 91 while india is #61 with an IQ of 81 ... so I am not sure where you get your Statistics from?

I think this is a dangerous topic to get on as it does tend to end up being racist in the end.

The whole notion of IQs is suspect, IMO. The tests to measure IQ are formulated largely in the West and therefore biased. They fail to take into account cultural issues or modes of thinking, which differ quite dramatically between East and West.

Although I don't have any empirical evidence to back this up, from personal experience I'd say that despite India scoring lower than Thailand, Indian students are head and shoulders above Thai students in just about any subject. Thais remain the worst students in terms of general knowledge, critical thinking and overall intelligence of any I've ever taught.

[M P Lurker]

I meant to reply to T1234 but too lazy to pick up the quote now.

Its quite possible to have a high IQ and still be dumb.
I mean I am a wiz with mathematical puzzles, number series, shape patterns, logic, etc, but a dummy when it comes to understanding women and how to manipulate people.

Skills of life are not taught in schools or by our parents or any way. We had to learn the hard way by making lots of mistakes.

[DG69]

Not sure why i am writing this and I am feeling more and more like a grumpy old man although I am only 38!!! Please accept my apologies in advance and I realise I shouldnt write this but feel compelled to.

Nic Frenchy, i have lived in Bangkok for 4 plus years now and it is very easy to sleep with "nice office girls" in Bangkok that you can meet everywhere (but most succesfully online for me)....but two supposedly good office girls approaching you in the street and asking to feel your abs??? C'mon dude, there is absolutely no way that is going to happen regardless of how good looking anyone is...that is just 100% out of character for the kind of girls you are describing...sorry dude, not saying i disbelieve the whole story but i defintely do not beleive that part...

Sorry if I have inadvertantly ruined anyones fantasy world here...i do feel a bit of duty though to try and keep things based on reality so that newbies do not turn up here with some incorrect ideas...

I second that. At my last visit in Bangkok, I had a office girl, whose did p4p in the Spice Club. She was much more into sex, as the most gogo girls I had until now. Well, that girl might not have earn alot, so she did some p4p to add up here salary, but I got the impression that she did that not because she need the money, but she liked also the thrill of p4p. Though, I got the feeling that not the sex was the thrill for her, but the adventure to make a man horny.
On another journey in Pataya, some years ago, I met two freelancer in Lucifer. The one had a obviously good payed job in Chonburi. She showed me pictures of her house, where she lived alone and she had a car with which she brought us (her, her friend and me) back to Soi Naklua. Her friend owned a book shop. She gave me her business card. Well both went to farang clubs to have fun and earn some extra money for p4p.
I asked for the reason, since it can't be poverty. She told me, that they want to sleep with farangs only, because of all those hollywood movies, mtv music videos and so on, showing farangs are en vogue. Of course that plays a role for girls, since they are easily to impress. They follow every trend and so, it's no wonder that Thai girls are curious to have experience with a farang.
Same like in the western world with black guys, since black music are en vogue at MTW. ;-)

[Satrai2000]

Well, yeah they probably are smarter, I mean, seeing as caucasions don't exist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQ_and_...lth_of_Nations

Thailand is # 40 with an IQ of 91 while india is #61 with an IQ of 81 ... so I am not sure where you get your Statistics from?

And I always thought I was so smart and intelligent.

Now I have to accept that the MP-girl in Poseidon has more brains than I have. Poor me!

[Traveler1234]

Well, yeah they probably are smarter, I mean, seeing as caucasions don't exist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQ_and_...lth_of_Nations

Thailand is # 40 with an IQ of 91 while india is #61 with an IQ of 81 ... so I am not sure where you get your Statistics from?

Opening statement from your referenced site:
IQ and the Wealth of Nations is a controversial 2002 book by Dr. Richard Lynn, Professor Emeritus of Psychology at the University of Ulster, Northern Ireland, and Dr. Tatu Vanhanen, Professor Emeritus of Political Science at the University of Tampere, Tampere, Finland.[1] The book argues that differences in national income (in the form of per capita gross domestic product) correlate with differences in the average national intelligence quotient (IQ). The authors interpret this correlation as showing that IQ is one important factor contributing to differences in national wealth and rates of economic growth, but that it is not the only determinant of these differences. The data, methodology, and conclusions have been criticized.[2] The 2006 book IQ and Global Inequality is a follow-up to IQ and the Wealth of Nations.

Of the top ten, Asian countries hold 5 places. Guess who comes in at #21.

My own opinion - we're all high IQ at ISG

[Fon Tok]

Heart stopping blowjobs, tight screws, a smile, and a girly giggle are very strong things that most men are powerless against. That's what it is all about.

There must be a "Dummies Guide to Being a Bar Girl" as many Thai working women seem to have mastered these attributes quite well. Or, maybe there is a training brochure on the overnight buses from Isaan?

[NicFrenchy]

in fact Asians are usually smarter than caucasions, with Indians in the lead. I digress.

Well, yeah they probably are smarter, I mean, seeing as caucasions don't exist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQ_and_...lth_of_Nations

Thailand is # 40 with an IQ of 91 while india is #61 with an IQ of 81 ... so I am not sure where you get your Statistics from?

[Pahllus Maximus]

Old Thai Hand and Soap Fan - you are correct. One theory (which I have seen no empirical evidence of) is that the average Thai IQ is lower than others. No racisim here - in fact Asians are usually smarter than caucasions, with Indians in the lead. I digress.

I think Thai women are more highly sexed than the West, and certainly more than Debbie Cha Cha from Broken Hill. They are also family orientated. However, that only goes so far. When you are poor, cooperation is one tool to enhance the odds of getting ahead. Once rich (and the need for cooperation is lessened), bitter family feuds are common. There is no mystique in Asia. Looked at with objectivity, human nature is very similar - and selfish.

And yes, they do like big dicks (though not all - some find it painful). But like all women, they crave security and money. That goes right back to to the time of the cave and dinosaurs. Men hunted. Women nutured children. This changed a few hundred years ago. But our brains are still in 60,000 BC.

Like most people in every country, women would like the stay in the same culture except for the poverty bit. Japanese are an exception in Asia, and are more adventurous. Anyone who has had a Japanese girlfriend know that they have strong carnel appetites and like Western men who have emotions.

Meanwhile, Thai chicks are merely opportunistic, like most women. But in the end, when they take off their clothes, women look the same. I prefer a girl who knows how to suck and swallow and does so willingly to wake me up, and is willing to do anal when that takes my fancy. Thai women know that mind blowing sex is the best relationship glue with a male and is actually little effort compared to working hard, study and discipline.

Put aside language and culture. Stripped to its bare elements, they are like most women, but with less cringe at being a female than feminist western women who think denial of the muff = power rather than the truth which is the opposite.

Heart stopping blowjobs, tight screws, a smile, and a girly giggle are very strong things that most men are powerless against.

That's what it is all about.

[Barko]

Geez. Lots of consternation on this one.

For one thing, I'm not just around HiSo women. I know women from all walks of life. Although, I'd say the further down the ladder you go, the better the chances are that the women might consider a Farang as a partner. But, the vast majority of those are only attracted to Farang because of money and security. Some might find us exotic. But, quite honestly, Thais are generally not interested in exotic. They are interested in what they know and what they are comfortable with. I'd still say that most Thai women who are middle class or above would likely not date, let alone marry a Farang, which is what I was really thinking of when I made the statement. Isaan farmgirls don't count. They're desperate. But, even they would prefer a Thai given a choice. How many stories have there been of some hapless Farang in love with an Isaan girl, who has a "brother" upcountry who in reality is her Thai BF or husband?

Few Thai women, for example would ever really want to leave Thailand, except perhaps for a short holiday. When they do move overseas, it's usually out of necessity rather than desire. They are so wired to their culture, that they find it hard to deal with anything else for any length of time. They are also brainwashed into believing the superiority of Thai culture and are in general real homebodies.

Also, given that Thai women would be answerable to their families and parents, it's highly unlikely except for the poorest and neediest, that their parents would exactly be thrilled if they were with a Farang.

Sure there are exceptions. I didn't say all, and I do believe it has changed somewhat over the last 12 years, since I first arrived. But, I'd still say the vast majority of Thai women prefer someone from their own culture. Maybe they might fuck a Farang guy, if he's good-looking enough and/or decent to them. But, most would never marry one, unless they had to.

As for my GF...Actually, I don't know. She says she hates Thai men because of bad experiences. But, I'm not sure I believe her. I provide security and stability for her, which is something she seems to want the most - (not necessarily financial, I don't give her much, if any money, now as she has her own salary). But, I'm not sure I believe her, any more than any other Thai women when she says she loves me. Her family approve of me, mainly because of my education, and my job and are happy about what I have done for her. But, she didn't tell them about me for well over 6 months because she was afraid. It was only after her father found out, and was quite angry and demanded she leave me and come home, that I was eventually accepted (to a point) - but only after he found out where I worked and my background.

Quite honestly, if I found out she had a Thai guy on the side, I wouldn't be that shocked - upset, probably - shocked, no. The relationship works for me, for the moment. Why not? She's 24, very cute, and fun to be with. We get along very well. But, I have no illusions about it, anymore than with any other relationship.

I think that people are mistaking a desire for a quick fuck, a fantasy date, a need for security and a guy with a "good heart to take care of me", for love. Thai women, of a certain type and inclination will be with a Farang for all these reasons. But, rarely would she be with one for love. I still maintain that for that, most Thai women would pick a Thai guy, however bad he is.

While I know that some on here have had experience with Thai women from various walks of life, including the upper echelons, most of you only know the poorest of the poor, off the farm in Isaan. Therefore, you're not really in a position to judge this question, accurately.

'Inside moat' Chiang Mai resident with large antique style home for 18 years, 1986-2004. Now in Phuket, (bought raw land 12 years ago with Thai lawyer 'writ lease' for thirty years... re-upped every year, built singular hillside house 5 yrs ago, now here permanently.) Spend 8-12 days per month in Bangkok for consulting maintenance and corporation privileges.

From my experiences of late, LOS en toto, the exception now appears to be the rule. A socially laddered farang is now accepted into Thai families of equal standing.

Rundown of marriage worthy status for Thai well to do, gleaned from Thai matriarch at extremely hi-so Bangkok condo dressy pool party last fall...

This is the group, read em and weep:

1. Chinese Thai with known wealthy family, (Not as mia noi. Chinese Thai collect mia noi recognized as bragging rite habit)
2. Thai National with known wealthy family.
3. Chinese National with money (Hong Kong/Macau 100% preferred.)
4. Korean National with money.
5. Singaporean National with money.
6. Farang, preferably California American with LOTS of money. (Up from entirely off top ten listing)
7. Japanese National with money (Japanese are now considered tightwads, down 4 listings)
8. Thai National with middle class family, Dr or upwardly mobile banking/political status please. (Down 3 listings)
9. Farang, Italian, i.e. Milano, with LOTS of old money, NO Northern nor Eastern Europeans need apply (UK inclusive.)
10. Malaysian Chinese, with LOTS of money. (Known tightwads, down 5 listings)
....

Thai office girls are now 100% open to dating farang men, as long they are socially and monetarily acceptable and within guidelines. (Meeting a cute chick working at the bank, with you being a normal line stander, does NOT fall under guideline rules for parental acceptance.)

...

Others:

-Thai female teachers (ajahn): Now perfectly acceptable for Euro/US/Canadian dating with benefits, prove monetary jai dee (donating family money for even the most retarded reasons,) then rise to full marriage status.
-Thai government workers: No farang acceptable.
-Thai normal (90% of all Thai girls, any type of employment): Thai speaking farang with money and 80% Thai dietary reference requirements = the proverbial pot of gold at end of rainbow. Perfectly acceptable.

...

Of noteworthy status here; Many 'normal' Thai girls have Thai boyfriends that they do not admit to. These girls will take farang BF's money and donate $80% to Thai boyfriends as required. The Thai BFs, in turn, have other GFs (yais or gig) whereby they donate $10% (of farang>GF received $) to each GFas required. Farangs must know and understand that this is part of the Thai culture (Have many very hilarious examples to wit, and will expound as needed here)

...

This subject requires much more research and many many discussions over multiple pints of decent lager/ale.

...

TIT

[Old Thai Hand]

As to why your sweetheart wants you ... unimaginable!

Yes. It is unimaginable . I learned a long time ago here to take things somewhat with a huge grain of salt. That way, things with Thai women tend to remain pleasant and uncomplicated, regardles of their true feelings.

[NicFrenchy]

sorry dude, not saying i disbelieve the whole story but i defintely do not beleive that part...

Hi... (dude)?

It is up to you to believe or not, I am not trying to boast, just writing it like it happened. After that it is up to each persons' interpretation.

But just because it hasn't worked for you doesn't mean it isn't happening. And by the way, 80% of the approaches I get are from Gays (unfortunately).

[Bearsk]

So OTH this is deep and very correct.
I support a TG at present to a limited extent while she is at school but harbor no delusions. Still there is always a warm welcome in BKK.
Otherwise to paraphrase PinkPearl misquoting OTH:

1} All women are mental disneylands. (Not actually true but close - there are some outstanding examples of TGs living in their own disneylands)

2} Sexual repression in LOS causes a desire for it. (i was not sure this is true; but the only 2 HiSo girls i picked up almost killed me with love and kinky love at that)

3} Thai women are horny bitches. (This is so true)

4} Most TGs would choose a loaded farang over a low life Thai,
all other things being equal. (LOS Motherhood statement - how to disagree?)

5} TGs know Westerners have a big dong, so they want to try it out. (Mostly true, of all the Asian countries its a pleasure to hear TGs say: "Now (wow), THAT is a cock ! ..." )

Just like they enjoy sampling every food, be it ant, mosquito, BFs ear (... desert but mostly Farang cock?)

Geez. Lots of consternation on this one.

For one thing, I'm not just around HiSo women. I know women from all walks of life. Although, I'd say the further down the ladder you go, the better the chances are that the women might consider a Farang as a partner. But, the vast majority of those are only attracted to Farang because of money and security. Some might find us exotic. But, quite honestly, Thais are generally not interested in exotic. They are interested in what they know and what they are comfortable with. I'd still say that most Thai women who are middle class or above would likely not date, let alone marry a Farang, which is what I was really thinking of when I made the statement. Isaan farmgirls don't count. They're desperate. But, even they would prefer a Thai given a choice. How many stories have there been of some hapless Farang in love with an Isaan girl, who has a "brother" upcountry who in reality is her Thai BF or husband?

Few Thai women, for example would ever really want to leave Thailand, except perhaps for a short holiday. When they do move overseas, it's usually out of necessity rather than desire. They are so wired to their culture, that they find it hard to deal with anything else for any length of time. They are also brainwashed into believing the superiority of Thai culture and are in general real homebodies.

Sure there are exceptions. I didn't say all, and I do believe it has changed somewhat over the last 12 years, since I first arrived. But, I'd still say the vast majority of Thai women prefer someone from their own culture. Maybe they might fuck a Farang guy, if he's good-looking enough and/or decent to them. But, most would never marry one, unless they had to.

As for my GF...Actually, I don't know. She says she hates Thai men because of bad experiences. But, I'm not sure I believe her. I provide security and stability for her, which is something she seems to want the most - (not necessarily financial, I don't give her much, if any money, now as she has her own salary). But, I'm not sure I believe her, any more than any other Thai women when she says she loves me. Her family approve of me, mainly because of my education, and my job and are happy about what I have done for her. But, she didn't tell them about me for well over 6 months because she was afraid. It was only after her father found out, and was quite angry and demanded she leave me and come home, that I was eventually accepted (to a point) - but only after he found out where I worked and my background.

Quite honestly, if I found out she had a Thai guy on the side, I wouldn't be that shocked - upset, probably - shocked, no. The relationship works for me, for the moment. Why not? She's 24, very cute, and fun to be with. We get along very well. But, I have no illusions about it, anymore than with any other relationship.

I think that people are mistaking a desire for a quick fuck, a fantasy date, a need for security and a guy with a "good heart to take care of me", for love. Thai women, of a certain type and inclination will be with a Farang for all these reasons. But, rarely would she be with one for love. I still maintain that for that, most Thai women would pick a Thai guy, however bad he is.

While I know that some on here have had experience with Thai women from various walks of life, including the upper echelons, most of you only know the poorest of the poor, off the farm in Isaan. Therefore, you're not really in a position to judge this question, accurately.

[Daddy07]

Geez. Lots of consternation on this one...

I agree with you 100% that I still have a lot to learn about Thailand and Thai women in particular.

For the record though, when I said that a farang is what "they" want, I was referring to Nic's two new play pals, not Thai women in general.

I'm sure that the 22 year old who wants me is wanting security and she can't seem to see beyond that.

As to why your sweetheart wants you ... unimaginable!