Bangkok Reports

[Nyezhov]

As a foreigner it is hard to grasp the difference between a Western. Individualist society versus a Thai. Collective / Hierarchical Society.

In the west we base our decisions around our own selves or immediate family. Wife and kids.

In Thailand, particularly the north east region of Isan, decisions are made much more as a collective. Often a group of families living together or sharing resources. The individual's authority is laregly based upon what resources can be provided to the wider family structure.

So you will see working girls sending a good proportion of their earnings back the family. She is very much expected to contribute. This in turn bumps up her and her families status within the group. In the west we rarely or never do this, it just isn't part of our culture..

Boys, I've been at this for almost 40 years and the is the best post I have seen in a long time. Should be mandatory reading.

Let me put it this way: She doesn't love you, she loves your wallet. Old guys know that.

[Vendelo]

When they have met the demands of #1, they use their excess money to buy gold, hoping then that as they don't have any "money" they can keep it.

Have something for themselves. Some visible sign of being a success, a reward per se.

But they know, and do so often willingly, that they may have to sell it at any time to meet the next financial demands.

I discussed gold with my Isan FL yesterday. She wears a gold ring and gold pendant and she confirmed what you said.

[Zman429]

Like many of you, I'm planning a long-awaited return to SE Asia for late September / early October and I've been eagerly following all the recent reports here and it sounds like my timing might be pretty good. Things hopefully open enough that there are plenty of options, but not yet fully jam-packed with tourists everywhere as they were pre-pandemic.

I'm by no means a BKK expert, only been a small handful of times and usually just a day or two here and there, as often as not with family so I haven't had much opportunity to really explore. I do know that GoGo bars are absolutely not my thing, so I'm wondering about alternatives in the post-COVID world. I recall Spasso was an option for "higher end" (intentional quotes!) ladies several years ago, and I did have some great luck there one evening back in the day. I've also successfully fished the pond at Thermae, and have had good luck even with Smooci escorts (both independent and agency).

Are there other options now, or any new venues to check out? Also probably a dumb question, but is it safe to assume the ladies at the non-GoGo bars around Nana and Soi Cowboy are all working and available? I can't say I've had any experience with them, but it would seem like that could be a good hunting ground for a gentleman with my preference for *anything* but GoGo bars.

Thanks and I will of course report back!

Try Soi 7 Beer garden, freelancers, Massage parlors Soi 33 and Soi 22 and soi 24 and others, Thai Friendly, and of course Tinder.

[Miss MaryHinge]

Great post. Winning choice, but I go crazy with translation, how do you manage it?

I'd echo this. Some of the auto-google translations are weird.

'Fresh focus on spray'?

'Licking sister' and 'I can't lick it'? Does the first mean DITY ok but not BJ. ?

"Break the body" ? Or 'break up' ?

I do like the translation 'cuddle medicine' though LOL.

And when added to Line, some auto load the rates, and location, which often seems to be cheap hotels and residences just east of the Don Muang toll way road.

[Jsxyz]

Like many of you, I'm planning a long-awaited return to SE Asia for late September / early October and I've been eagerly following all the recent reports here and it sounds like my timing might be pretty good. Things hopefully open enough that there are plenty of options, but not yet fully jam-packed with tourists everywhere as they were pre-pandemic.

I'm by no means a BKK expert, only been a small handful of times and usually just a day or two here and there, as often as not with family so I haven't had much opportunity to really explore. I do know that GoGo bars are absolutely not my thing, so I'm wondering about alternatives in the post-COVID world. I recall Spasso was an option for "higher end" (intentional quotes!) ladies several years ago, and I did have some great luck there one evening back in the day. I've also successfully fished the pond at Thermae, and have had good luck even with Smooci escorts (both independent and agency).

Are there other options now, or any new venues to check out? Also probably a dumb question, but is it safe to assume the ladies at the non-GoGo bars around Nana and Soi Cowboy are all working and available? I can't say I've had any experience with them, but it would seem like that could be a good hunting ground for a gentleman with my preference for *anything* but GoGo bars.

Thanks and I will of course report back!

[ZenMinded1]

Very valid points I think.

The problem is the Foreigners are not going for HOT Isan babes.

All I see is Opposite of Hot.

It's the reason my poor Thai buddies jaw drop everytime the topic comes up.

Dutch man have many money but they marry dark, old, multi babies bargirl they say.

On topic of dark but not-so-old and no-baby, any tips on where? For some reason all bars seem to prefer light skinned ladies, and I, for one, prefer the darker Isan, which seems to be a wee bit hard to find.

[ZenMinded1]

Choose one.

You're misunderstanding something. There are two places, somewhere you get a good massage or somewhere you get a good fuck. Some massage parlors offer extras, but that's not their thing, its massages. Some places are to fuck, and maybe the girl gives you a massage during downtime.

I'd disagree on that. There are places which can offer both but it's a rare find as usually one or the other is crap. Also, depends on whether a fellow monger enjoys fucking vs. Cumming. Two might be very closely related but I for one prefer HJ / BJ as it's easier to arrange, less worry about condoms or CIP and always less negotiations.

Best experience so far though a bit pricey for me was in Analisa massage. Unfortunately forgot the lady's name but she could massage and handle dick like a champ (and do amazing rimming too). I have also tried another lady in Analisa which was so shit to the point I actually complained to manager via LINE after.

It's a hit and miss but once you find, it's gold.

[ThaiGoodTimes]

I know enough about Asian hookers and the guys who believe they can become their white saviours to spot naivety and western-centric assumptions I see them. I have been round the block often enough to know what I am talking about.

No one is rescuing fallen women here, only fools believe that.

Western centric assumptions, that sounds like you're talking about yourself again.

"Asian hookers", "white saviours", "fallen women".

Really?

Do all your western centric prejudices and moral sense of superiority pop out so easily?

Or have you been screwed over making bad judgements when visiting and punting in Asia one time too many?

[ThaiGoodTimes]

Sounds like you have a Captain Save a Ho mentality. Guess what? These girls don't give a flying F about you or any other farang, they want your money and they use their bodies to extract it from you, if you naively want to believe otherwise, you're going to pay for it with your wallet and get screwed over. As a farang, go there with a mentality that this is a business transaction, because that's exactly what it is for the girls, even the ones you think are 'dating' you. Personally, I stick to ST and have never dated a girl there. But to each their own.

Ahhh Caliguy.

How self deluded you are.

Whilst you remain a frequent visiting "TOURIST", that is all you will see and experience, aka the bad side of Thai women, because that's all they get from you.

Many many many Thai women care about Farangs very very much.

There are as many success stories as there are horror stories.

But guess what, happy people don't go out shouting about it anywhere near as loud or as often as unhappy people ***** and moan.

Take the time to live on the inside of LOS and you might have a rethink, tho I doubt it.

If not, continue as you put it, to visit there, play with ho's, have business transactions, use their bodies, etc. , and continue to be treated like just what you are, a "John".

That's why you likely get treated as shit, because you are the john they get crap from respect wise, so they just go and crap back on you.

[Karikamiya]

I'm looking for a place where you still get skilled therapists for both the massage and the extras.

I ain't never seen anything like this before, sorry. Anywhere decent is strictly massage only.

[Barbecue]

I have used WeChat off and on in various places (Pattaya, Patong, Bangkok) because I like the look around function and it is quick and easy. Maybe because WeChat is used primarily by Chinese speakers the demographic of the girls who use it and their expectations are different than TF. Six months ago WeChat was overrun by LB and you had to be sure to do a video call before every meeting to listen to the voice and to have a look to see if the pictures looked anything like the person. More recently, though, the quality has improved and the girls' status has become more informative. Over the last few weeks I had two surprises that may be indicative of a trend. The first was a cute but slightly plump girl who came to my room for a massage. I was tired and she assured me that she really could do massage, so I invited her over. She was great at massage. As good as at the better shops. She put a silk cloth over my face during the massage and, after the flip, asked if I wanted FS. Of course I said yes. She started teasing and rubbing and asked if I had a condom. I said I didn't but there were some in the room minibar. She said OK but then slipped me inside. My face was covered and I thought she had covered me. But instead it was BBCIP. I should have known but it was a surprise (a very good one). Of course I have met her twice since then. The other is a girl who was small and cute but her pictures showed her 10 years ago instead of today. I enjoyed my brief video conversation with her so I invited her over anyway. She gave a short and not very good massage before covering me up and riding cowgirl. The condom she used was awful. So I told her to take it off and that a BJ would be fine. She took off the condom, said she wanted me inside, and off we went, BBCIP. Neither girl asked for an additional fee for BBCIP. Maybe its a coincidence or maybe it is something else, but WeChat may be a good option to look for BBCIP.

[Member #4753]

Harsh, way too harsh.

Your bitterness is still way to recent.

Tho there is a lot of very factual comments made.

The order you've listed things I would change tho.

Gold is not #1.

The desire for gold is a byproduct of their needing to satisfy their true #1, which to me is your #7, maternal grandmother, aka, the top of the hierarchy.

When they have met the demands of #1, they use their excess money to buy gold, hoping then that as they don't have any "money" they can keep it.

Have something for themselves. Some visible sign of being a success, a reward per se.

But they know, and do so often willingly, that they may have to sell it at any time to meet the next financial demands.

The list is meant to be humour, it is not meant to be taken litterally, but there is a meaure of truth to the overall theme.

[GrapeMan]

Hi, will be travelling to BKK soon and was wondering if anyone can share a nice massage parlor, that offer really good massage with extra services?

Many time when you go to the cheap massage places, the massage is really average and even sometime very poor, but the extra is good. I'm looking for a place where you still get skilled therapists for both the massage and the extras.

Thanks for your help.

Choose one.

You're misunderstanding something. There are two places, somewhere you get a good massage or somewhere you get a good fuck. Some massage parlors offer extras, but that's not their thing, its massages. Some places are to fuck, and maybe the girl gives you a massage during downtime.

[CaliGuy33]

Harsh, way too harsh.

Your bitterness is still way to recent.

Tho there is a lot of very factual comments made.

The order you've listed things I would change tho.

Gold is not #1.

The desire for gold is a byproduct of their needing to satisfy their true #1, which to me is your #7, maternal grandmother, aka, the top of the hierarchy.

When they have met the demands of #1, they use their excess money to buy gold, hoping then that as they don't have any "money" they can keep it.

Have something for themselves. Some visible sign of being a success, a reward per se.

But they know, and do so often willingly, that they may have to sell it at any time to meet the next financial demands.

Sounds like you have a Captain Save a Ho mentality. Guess what? These girls don't give a flying F about you or any other farang, they want your money and they use their bodies to extract it from you, if you naively want to believe otherwise, you're going to pay for it with your wallet and get screwed over. As a farang, go there with a mentality that this is a business transaction, because that's exactly what it is for the girls, even the ones you think are 'dating' you. Personally, I stick to ST and have never dated a girl there. But to each their own.

[Chimpo Chinn]

As a foreigner it is hard to grasp the difference between a Western. Individualist society versus a Thai. Collective / Hierarchical Society.

In the west we base our decisions around our own selves or immediate family. Wife and kids.

In Thailand, particularly the north east region of Isan, decisions are made much more as a collective. Often a group of families living together or sharing resources. The individual's authority is laregly based upon what resources can be provided to the wider family structure.

So you will see working girls sending a good proportion of their earnings back the family. She is very much expected to contribute. This in turn bumps up her and her families status within the group. In the west we rarely or never do this, it just isn't part of our culture.

As Thailand is very much based on a Hierarchical Society. The chances of a lady from Isan, which is one of the poorest and lowest standing regions, meeting and marrying a wealthy white Thai man from a higher society Bangkok family would be rare. So the best chance of a lady from Isan is to marry a foreigner. Foreigners don't really care about the Hierarchical structure of Thai society. As long as she is hot that is alll we care about it.

Virtually every foreigner will have a relationship with a woman from Isan. It is so common that an industry within Isan has developed around this. There are several facebook groups with 100,000's + members all about how to have a relationship with foreigners, how to get money out of a foreigner, how to take advantage of a foreigner etc Every possible subject both good and bad can found within some group on the net. Even a new woman arriving in Bangkok will have some or even quite detailed knowledge about how to get the most out of her transactions with foreign men. The days where it would take new arrivals months or even a year to become wise to the little tricks are way gone. They pick it up in days now. Adding to this they will have their family back home reminding them on a daily basis how to extract resources for the collective from a farang.

I had a Thai GF for about a year and of course her family was from Isan. Everytime she would go back she would get shown all the big houses or farm extensions that foreigners had purchased in her vaillage for the family. Her mother used to ask her all the time "where is my house". If you have a Thai GF you are assumed to be part of their collective and are expected to contribute. As I did not have any intention of sticking with this particular girl for too long I just used to send a relatively small amount to the family and then just ignore the rest of the requests. My good little college girl from Isan turned out to be a nightmare after a year when she finally realised that she would be better off with another foreigner.

They move on very quickly and they always have a few options worked out before they go. They will also try to keep past boyfriends on the hook. They like to have a portfolio of options to maximise their chances of getting that house in Isan for mama.

As a foreigner I will never truly understand the intricate nature of Thai Culture. My overall strategy is to protect myself. Contribute a little to a girlfriends family and dodge the big ticket items. As a foreigner we never really get any credit from something contributed anyway.

Thai Bar Girl's Priorities List: (humour yes, but illustrative none the less).

1. Money.

2. Gold.

3. Food.

4. Sleeping.

5. Child or children.

6. Watching TV.

7. Grandparents, mother, father.

8. Her Thai boyfriend or husband, siblings and other family members.

9. Monks and temples.

10. Thai friends.

11. Every other Thai person in the world, down to the lowest Bangkok beggar.

12. The family buffalo.

13. Her pet dog, cat, bird, rabbit, squirrel or rat.

14. The fleas on the pet dog, cat, bird, rabbit, squirrel or rat.

15. You.

Very valid points I think.

The problem is the Foreigners are not going for HOT Isan babes.

All I see is Opposite of Hot.

It's the reason my poor Thai buddies jaw drop everytime the topic comes up.

Dutch man have many money but they marry dark, old, multi babies bargirl they say.