Bangkok Reports

[BuleDaddy]

I agree with everything below about avoiding scam-scum-bags from Afrigaa.

To the fellow who bolted when "the Mamasan asked me to buy her a lady-drink, ".take a note, that can be a valuable investment. If you're nice about it, she will often keep an eye out for you. Maybe help you avoid a katoey, maybe guide you to a friendly gal or steer you clear of a known troublemaker if you head in that direction. She might even send a cutie your way. It's a bit like tipping the maitre'd and getting a good table, right? Jck

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Mammasans couldn't care less. Mammasans/Pappasans would steal the penny's from under a dead man's eyes or try to prevent a girl from being whisked off to a better life in a better country by some fool during the high season. I saw some goober take a post-op katooee from a bar on Soi 8 in Pattaya and the Fat-Dragon-Skank Mmasn was chuckling how the guy didn't know and telling me to buy this person or that person a drink and trying to work me into one of her girl's soi 8 hollywood production of how her brother was very sick (and soon to die). I've just seen it too many times. I didn't leave, I just told her she should buy the drinks and that I had seen "too mutt" bar girls with sick brothers. I explained that I might buy the pooying that just sah-moked my johnson a beer or a juice (no bacardi coolers!!) but nobody else. When the girl shows up having convulsions after she pretends to have gotten the bad news about the dead family member I have to hide my face because while everybody is boohooing I am laughing because I have see the same show too many times. In other countries the mammasans monitor the cell phones while the hoze sleep to make sure nobody is going to do any freelancing and the MS will to try to sell the guy an LT for the next day. If thai hoze are better paid than a college professor you can just imagine the dinero that a Mammasan in a big place pulls. Don't ever for one minute think that the Mamma/Pappa would look out for a farhang!!!

[Carmex]

You are 100% right with what you are saying about Nigerians, if they approach you on the street, just walk away, always bad news for sure, there box with money tricks is so bottomless, unbelievable.

JE

I dated a Nigerian stripper from the Deja Vu for a while back in the US a few years ago. 21 years old and great body but only average sex, so that ended after a few months. She told me flat out that scams are the national pastime there. Her quote was, "Nigerians are very good at scams", be it street, computer, or business dealings. I was unfamiliar with this type of behavior before, but after reading some of the reports, her words echo in my brain.

My wonder now would be, what are the gem scammers going to do? God I hope BKK is not ruined by this. That would be a tragedy of immense proportions. Hopefully not.

[JuiceGuy]

I've been banging the thai's and Russkies in Pattaya and Bkk since Dec. and the economy here is pretty bad.

This means that the guys paying 2000 and up + barfine for average poon are uneducated or too eager and desperate.

The max I have been paying is 1K and that includes the Indians, Russians and Uzbeki's.

Fight inflation!

Where do you find the Indians or Russians?

[Ryo Saeba]

Girlfriendly in our use of the word has nothing to do with being friendly. Rather, does the hotel charge an extra fee for guests. So, in this case, the hotel in not girlfriendly. Otherwise, thanks for your excellent report.

Hi Westsider!

I thought girlfriendly meant any hotel that, regardless of a fee it may be asking, will accept visiting, obvious p4p girls, as opposed to those hotels who will not let you go upstairs with an "escort" regardless of how much money you throw at them. Anyway, thanks for taking the time to correct me.

Happy mongering!

[M P Lurker]

Tonight Centaurus and I tried a few other bars in Soi Cowboy. Most had a fairly low standard of pretty girls, dancing, and shows.

Bars that were quite good a year or two ago seem very ordinary now.

I would only go back to Suzi Wong for fun shows and OK girls or Shark for some pretty girls. Long Gun is boring for me unless one particular girl is there.

The rest are pretty useless to me.
We didn't look in Baccara as assumed for Japanese.

[Jackzonian]

I agree with everything below about avoiding scam-scum-bags from Afrigaa.

To the fellow who bolted when "the Mamasan asked me to buy her a lady-drink, ".take a note, that can be a valuable investment. If you're nice about it, she will often keep an eye out for you. Maybe help you avoid a katoey, maybe guide you to a friendly gal or steer you clear of a known troublemaker if you head in that direction. She might even send a cutie your way. It's a bit like tipping the maitre'd and getting a good table, right? Jck

[John Euro]

Yes, these guys are definitely Nigerians, I have noticed several of them last year in the SUK area, I know that kind of guys pretty well, more that happy not having to deal directly with them as they are the biggest scam you can imagine, these guys are smart and many of them are well educated and using there skills in the money and fraud business.

In many European counties they are the master brains behind the big lottery scam’s, fe last year, a gang of about 100 Nigerians have been arrested in Spain for this, (only a little top of the iceberg) the fraud was many millions of Euros taken from people that have received a letter that looks like it comes from the officially county lottery, saying you win a big amount of money in that lottery and so on, but! First you have to pay to there account in advance the so called " bank and transfer cost, etc. " bull Sh. T of course, and people have never seen there winning money afterwards, of course not.

Scam on Fake Euro bills, all kind of money change tricks on the street! BE AWARE! , camera’s placed above the ATM machine outside a bank to know your pin code and copy your card in the ATM groove, this still happens daily in other EU city’s, guy’s from Congo working the same business.

The night life area in Tokyo was so nice and clean till about 7 years ago and a certain day the Nigerian gangs arrived there little by little over the years, thought no gang could beat the Japanese guys in there own territory, looks like I was wrong. Last time I was in Tokyo think 2 years ago I could not believe my eyes, Nightlife area is completely taken over by these black guys, running the whole business now and most Geisha houses are occupied with black or Easter block girls, just imagine, these guy’s are working so aggressively in the streets, scaring.

Think that our members from Liverpool, London, Hamburg etc have seen the same happen in there city’s as well

Lets hope that BKK night life will not move in the same direction as Tokyo and that Thai police will accommodate them rapidly in the Hilton, must say, they all have a Elephant skin towards other people, police and justice, just say away from it.

John Euro

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[John Euro]

Not sure what nationality - I can say that if these African folk are Nigerian, I would be extremely weary.

You are 100% right with what you are saying about Nigerians, if they approach you on the street, just walk away, always bad news for sure, there box with money tricks is so bottomless, unbelievable.

JE

[M P Lurker]

Yesterday I somehow needed to get out of Livingstone's for some time, and decided to walk around a bit.
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Rainbow 4 - some customers in there, but it was early. Around 50 girls dancing, average quality, some really young and skinny ones, some lookers - but I wasn't really impressed. A mamasan came to me and asked for a drink. A mamasan asked for a drink!!! OK - that was it, I was out of there.
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Sharks

I walked into Sharks, at around 9:15 pm. It had some crowd, but there were still benches in good observation position free. The girls quality is quite high - if one likes young and skinny girls. Most of the girls there are younger than 25, and have really good bodies. But - if they have breasts they are faked, otherwise they are [nearly] invisible (ok, I admit, that's a bit exaggerated). Seams that this bar has a special concept for a specific type of girl. Faces are mostly average - I did not see a really beauty - but we all know: Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
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Giotto

Giotto aroused my interest so I decided to check out Rainbow 4 first.

Some quite pretty faces, some beautiful bottoms, but usually not on same girl. Out of 50 girls only two danced like they were alive and the rest all totally bored. Called a couple of girls over for drinks.
No girl really was my type totally. One very pretty but no bottom at all.
The music was far too fast and caused girls difficulty to dance. DJ needs to be fired, as he doesn't understand that a gogo is not a disco.

Then tried Shark.
This time the music was much better and helped the girls to dance with some life. Probably girls not quite as pretty as Rainbow 4 overall but give a better impression. A slim tall girl (168 cm) from KamphaengPhet with a face to my spec (face and nose not wide ) soon grabbed my complete attention. Bought her a drink and then had to get her BFed very quickly as a Japanese and another Farang were showing desire to BF her too.

She had some beer and belgium chocolates back at my room.

Great kisser and good on the bed. Got two pops out of me before sleeping, which is rare for me. Clearly likes sex when the girl starts up the second round of her own accord without me initiating anything. A definite to repeat. Even speaks English quite well despite only a 15 day course. Her mother taught her English also and she watches Farang movies and teaches herself from books. Like my last GF, really into listening to music. Artistic type?

[Westsider]

[QUOTE=Ryo Saeba]

Moreover, while it is girlfriendly, they ask 700 baht per guest.

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Girlfriendly in our use of the word has nothing to do with being friendly. Rather, does the hotel charge an extra fee for guests. So, in this case, the hotel in not girlfriendly. Otherwise, thanks for your excellent report.

[Sainter21]

Good idea to ignore them. Lots of stories coming out of some of the scams and muggings the Africans have been pulling in the area. The police are making arrests all the time now, and there seems to be an epidemic of scams, which start when some one is foolish enough to answer the "hey friend" enquiries and naive questions.

Anyone who greets you in lower Suk with "hi friend" is anything but friend. And there are no naive questions - just openers to separate you from your hard earned. Getting to be a creepy place, and if it were not for a couple of restaurants I enjoy there, I would give the whole area a pass.

Not sure what nationality these Africans are, but as someone who works on the fringes of classified national intelligence and in a field where I have contact with many nationalities on a daily basis by protecting and securing my nations border, I can say that if these African folk are Nigerian, I would be extremely weary.

Besides narcotics and internet/email, Nigerians are seemingly behind every conceivable scam going around and are very good at it - I wasn't surprised on my last visit to discover a spate of ATM skimming along Suk and Nana and now fake bank notes. The skimming has been attributed to a Romanian syndicate, but the Nigerians rarely get their hands dirty.

[Ryo Saeba]

for my first time in bangkok i also tried tulip and sazanka, but you’ll find the related report in the "massage parlors" thread

[CodeWord900]

in search of a way to help me digest a rather curry-heavy lunch, i showed up at [CodeWord900] on soi 8 around 2pm.

there were 5 girls available, and i chose what i thought was the better-looking one: nok.

she only speaks few words of english, and while she put effort into her job, her technique isn’t that special. i got a much better bj at tulip and eden, for example. maybe, considering it’s only a bj, i shouldn’t have selected a cute girl, but asked the mamasan who was the best performer.

at 700 baht, nothing to complain though!

eden

plenty has already been said about eden, so i’ll be brief.

at about 8pm, out of a line-up of ten girls, most of which stood on the good side of the yellow line, i choose som, and in turn she picked her friend naa (or nat).

som is of medium height, has long black hair cut western style, a nice pair of boobs and a firm butt. she hinted at being a couple of years younger than thirty.

her friend was not so good-looking, probably over thirty and didn’t speak english, but very tall. in fact her height and pronounced cheekbones made me think she was malesyan, but was actually thay instead.

they worked well as a couple, completely played out and satisfied my fantasies, and were actually disappointed when they didn’t manage to make me come a third time during the standard 90 minutes.

it’s been said, and i fully agree, that this is not a place for shy guys: those girls are wild! personally i would suggest to go there with already some kind of storyboard in your mind of what you’d like to do: i started off rather passive, being ordered around by the girls, who were clearly following some kind of pre-arranged pattern (lie down, raise your hips, and so on.), but once i started asking and telling them what i wanted, they fed of of it and became much more natural and fun to be with. i’d never been to a place like this before, and i’m sure i could easily get addicted. two thumbs up!

final consideration

in bangkok, in exchange for 9600 baht (tips included), i:

-visited 4 different establishments

-was serviced by 5 different girls

-for a total of roughly 6 hours

-during which i came 6 times

add to this the excellent quality and variety of the service, and what you get is a mind-boggling bargain.

i am not an experienced monger, nor i have visited the whole world, but i doubt this city can be beaten when it comes to value for money.

while i didn’t bar-fine any girl, i also visited the go go bars in soi cowboy.

baccara:

the see-through ceiling is of course a fun attraction, but on my visit there wasn’t a single good-looking girl.

suzie wong:

average-looking girls, but the lesbian show got me in the mood.

long gun:

girls go from short-chubby-uglies to very good-looking, and you can get to see all of them fully naked.

shark:

on consecutive nights this is the go go bar where i saw the largest amount of stunners.

hotel

during my three nights in bkk i only visited establishments along sukhumvit road, and in that regard the twin towers hotel (www.thetwintowershotel.com) is not strategically placed: you have to walk about 15 minutes to get to a bts station, and if you opt for taxis or tuk tuks, because of the direction traffic lanes run on sukhumvit, they have to make long detours to reach otherwise fairly close places.

moreover, while it is girlfriendly, they ask 700 baht per guest.

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[Biz99]

She was found in the Biergarten soi 7?

I asked one black girl by the rest of the freelancers near foodland where she was from and she replied Tanzania.

IMHO all the black girls were butt ugly except 1. Very fat.

It seems there are alot of black men from Africa in Bkk these days.
They are very loud, hang around certain streets looking suspicious, and don't take girls. 2 of them tried to befriend me out of the blue and I ignored them.

I'm not being a bigot, but a thai lighter vendor said she had to call the cops on one African national for driving customers away from her business.

Good idea to ignore them. Lots of stories coming out of some of the scams and muggings the Africans have been pulling in the area. The police are making arrests all the time now, and there seems to be an epidemic of scams, which start when some one is foolish enough to answer the "hey friend" enquiries and naive questions.

Anyone who greets you in lower Suk with "hi friend" is anything but friend. And there are no naive questions - just openers to separate you from your hard earned. Getting to be a creepy place, and if it were not for a couple of restaurants I enjoy there, I would give the whole area a pass.

[Bill]

Just gor couriosity, where did you find indian hooker? Btw. did somebody made experience with black babes at lower Sukhomvith? When I was there last November I saw some black hookers, one I asked for the price. Was quite high, but negotiable. I didn't took her because first I wasn't sure if I could get her in my Hotel, the dawin staff are sometimes not easy going and second she didn't provide anal sex.

She was found in the Biergarten soi 7?

I asked one black girl by the rest of the freelancers near foodland where she was from and she replied Tanzania.

IMHO all the black girls were butt ugly except 1. Very fat.

It seems there are alot of black men from Africa in Bkk these days.
They are very loud, hang around certain streets looking suspicious, and don't take girls. 2 of them tried to befriend me out of the blue and I ignored them.

I'm not being a bigot, but a thai lighter vendor said she had to call the cops on one African national for driving customers away from her business.

[Cunning Stunt]

...but I was surprised at the number of tourist couples strolling down Walking Street in Pattaya (some with kids in tow). I was a bit less surprised that the Madam's smile usually looked a bit sour.

Serves her right for leaving the family holiday arrangements in hubby's hands

Probably East Europeans - they seem to think that Pattaya with its nondescript beach, dirty sea and general scuzziness and overcrowding to be an attractive destination for a beach holiday.

Same applies to the Taiwanese (at least I think they are Taiwanese or maybe Koreans who troop along Beach Road like schoolkids behind a tour guide with a flag, go on boat trips and then get cheap, nasty plastic photo plates as souvenirs), and increasingly to visitors from the sub-continent.

I imagine it must be the cheap package price that attracts them same as Benidorm still attracts holidaymakers with small budgets.