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  1. #4676

    Lucky Star - Long Gun Opti-fuck

    Went back to Long Gun for first time in a long while to check out how Miss N is going. She is tall and stunning. Their are no other stunners in this bar too my taste at the minute with perhaps a couple of pretty ones.

    Some Rawhide girls have recently moved to Long Gun. I omit the reasons.

    I was a sort of friend with N for several months and she would never go with me for sex. That has now changed so I guess times are tough economically and she cannot afford to knock me back any more. She is not good in bed really as does not kiss or do BJ but her sheer georgous body sort of compensates so that I still enjoy to take her anyway.

    She is very shy so lights have to be low and she doesn't like me to stare at her face. Magnificent tits, Not sure if B or C cup. The right one probably small C and left one big B. Many girls are not completely balanced.

    I remember my mate saying that he really enjoyed a starfish girl. Miss N is not that but is really not a good mover.

    Scores:
    Face: 9
    Body: 10
    Tits: 10
    Kissing: 0
    BJ: 0
    Sex: 6 to 7
    Personality: 6 (very difficult)

    She appears in a pic:
    http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...postcount=1720
    First pic girl on the right.

  2. #4675
    Quote Originally Posted by Giotto
    I disagree with you statement that you will always get a BBBJ and 99 % CIM in Soapies. It definitely depends on the girl, and if they are new or younger the likelyhood that you get it is much lower.

    Besides that I hope that your dick will not heal too fast, that you have enough time (in the coming days) to complete the "coming soon" sections .

    Giotto
    Nic has only been to Annies (not exactly a normal Soapy) and a couple of others. So he does have some stange ideas about Soapies. I have hardly ever had a CIM at a Soapy although I never asked for it. I am too polite to CIM without the girl making it clear that it is O.K. I would tell her I am coming so she can avoid CIM if she wants to. Mostly they do avoid it.

    I didn't try any of the old girls like Nic prefers

    I don't believe I have ever had or been offered an Oil massage at a normal Soapy. Perhaps Annies and Darling offer this.
    Traditional Thai Massage is offered at quite a few soapies.

    And of course Soapies do not have freelancers siiting on the couch. Is Nic being Satyrical?

  3. #4674
    Quote Originally Posted by NicFrenchy
    That is hearsay. how can we be so sure about what the girls make @ Annies? I know the prices were raised from 1500 to 1700 and that the extra 200B went directly into the girls pocket.
    Isn't this also hear-say? How does anyone know that the 200 goes directly into the girl's pocket?

  4. #4673
    Quote Originally Posted by Mick Licker
    I also am trying to learn to be more polite Thai style even after many years of experience.
    Man, me too. There's a lot of silliness recently on this forum, like the idea that what gains you respect in Thailand is to "always hold your ground on price and never show weakness". What gains you respect as a farang -- a tough job to start with -- is speaking good Thai and dealing with things in a polite, good humored Thai way. It is incredibly effective once you begin to get the hang of it. It just isn't very easy.

  5. #4672
    Quote Originally Posted by NicFrenchy
    b. You are guaranteed a BBBJ in the tub and 99% of the ladies will let you “come” in their mouth
    ...
    NicFrenchy,

    I think you have too much time on hand. Anyway, thanks for all the work you put into this report...great job!

    I disagree with you statement that you will always get a BBBJ and 99 % CIM in Soapies. It definitely depends on the girl, and if they are new or younger the likelyhood that you get it is much lower.

    Besides that I hope that your dick will not heal too fast, that you have enough time (in the coming days) to complete the "coming soon" sections .

    Btw.: The report is really not for idiots (that would be wasted) - it is for Thailand newbies.


    Giotto

  6. #4671

    Idiot’s Guide to P4P in Thailand

    when a newbie arrives in thailand, he almost always has this stupid look, smiling in anticipation towards all the pussy available. but how does it all work?
    it has been said that even the hunchback of notre dame could get laid here (maybe he did) for a few baht so is it that easy? the short answer is yes, it is.
    however, doing your homework can really enhance your overall experience as you will know beforehand which places you would like to experience.

    (i will also later insert names of places and girls i recommend)

    massage parlors :traditional thai massage

    pricing
    1 hour = 200 thb
    2 hours = 400 thb

    basically all the massage places in thailand will offer this type of massage.
    you do not get a private room for this type of massage, just a common room with mattresses on the floor separated by curtains.

    this is my favorite massage, the technique will amaze you!! they make every bones and joints in your body crack!
    you need to wear a pajamas for this massage, they will provide one for you.
    unless you go to a hotel’s spa, at the end of the thai massage, 99% of the time the masseuse will ask you if you want the “special massage”
    special massage in a thai massage place consists of a hj (hand job) and if you’re lucky a cbj (covered blow job).

    hj special is thb 500 and cbj is thb 1,000.
    the girl will stay clothed during the whole session

    massage parlors : herbal oil massage

    pricing for oil massage:
    1 hour = 400 thb
    1.5 hours = 600 thb
    2 hours = 800 thb

    pricing for lotion massage:
    1 hour = 600 thb
    1.5 hours = 800 thb
    2 hours = 1000 thb


    this is the carbon copy of what you call a swedish massage.
    except for the 5 star places, they will all use baby oil (which smells and is difficult to wash in the shower). lotion massage is an odorless body lotion that is very easy to clean and disappears in the shower once the massage is over.
    almost 100% of the oil massage providers will offer you “special massage”

    in about 75% of the massage places, farangs will go there for the “extras” (or special massage if you prefer). this is a little different than the traditional thai massage places.
    for traditional thai massage, the providers are usually a little “older” and you do not get to chose them.
    in the case of oil massage, you are the one to chose your masseuse.
    you can chose your girl “live” by going to the room where they all sit, or order from a catalogue where you see all the girls pictures.
    the catalogue is for japanese people, most of them would never walk in the room and face 20 girls (that’s 40 pairs of eyes staring at you)… they prefer to be discrete and look at the catalogue. the reason why looking at the catalogue is a bad idea is that all the girl’s pictures are heavily photoshoped. best is to face them and see which ones you get vibes from (while some will smile and wave in your direction, others won’t even look at you).

    once you choose your girl, you can order the time you want.
    99% of the oil places will offer you a private room with in room shower

    for this massage type, you need to take a shower in the room prior and after the massage.
    usually, the girl comes in the shower with you and she washes you thoroughly (yes, she cleans you everywhere!) and then showers herself also.
    onto the bed she proceeds to massage you using the oil, and for this massage, you are completely naked. after about 45 minutes of massage, she will ask if you want “special massage”.
    now this is different from traditional thai massage, because you are in a private and closed room, the extras offered will be as follows :
    hj special is thb 500
    cbj or bbbj is thb 1,000
    fs is thb 1,500
    (usually when you order fs, she will give you a bj to start)

    once you “come”, the session is over and back to the shower where she washes you again.

    massage parlors : body soapy massage

    now this is a very different scheme as the 2 massage types outlined above. while most massage places that offer thai massage will offer you oil massage, the ones that offer soapy only deal with soapy.
    pricing:
    pricing is a little complicated as every place has its own. some places only cater to thais, some only to japanese and some only to farangs (non asians). though, most places will accept foreigners but apply a fee (called farang surcharge) which can go from thb 500 to 1,500 above the thai price.
    cheapest you can find is thb 1,800 for 1.5 hours and could go up to thb 6,500 (for “models” or freelancers).
    soapy massage (also called mp by the local farangs) has a very easy modus operandi….
    just walk into the mp and wait for the papasan to approach you… you have 2 options :
    a) look at the fishbowl first
    the fishbowl is called a fishbowl because the room where the girls sit is all glass so you can see them from everywhere…. pretty much like an aquarium.
    in some places, the girls cannot see you and in other places, it’s just a glass and they can see who comes in and out.

    b) all the ladies have a number that they keep until they quit working for the place… so if you like a certain lady, remember her number and ask the papasan next time you visit and she will have the same number. better, book in advance to make sure she is working that day, and/or not busy with another customer.
    some places have 2 or even 3 different fishbowl, which means that the prices are different per fishbowl (every girl in one fb is at the same price)
    so you can have a fishbowl @ thb 1,800, another @ thb 2,200 and a third one @ thb 2,800 (the most expensive it gets, the better the girls will look)…. some places even offer you “models” that have made covers of magazines… but they are expensive and quite frankly “starfish”.
    also, you sometimes have girls wandering outside of the fb, hanging out on a sofa…. these are freelancers, they do not work for the massage place and are not professionals… they can be your average supermarket cashier trying to get some quick cash… they pay a hefty commission to the mp if they are chosen and are usually also quite expensive and not very good in bed.
    c) choose the lady (or ladies… remember, you are paying so you can have as many ladies as you want at the same time).
    d) the papasan will quote you a price… (now be wary of these fuckers… some will try to scam you… basically, anything on top of the regular price goes right into his pocket). also, he will “recommend” you ladies… (“take #45, very good”….) but he only pushes girls that will give him a kickback on the “extras” money…
    e) soapys (or mps) usually always include the same routine :
    a. you get a bath with the girl naked in the bathtub washing you
    everywhere
    b. you are guaranteed a bbbj in the tub and 99% of the ladies will let
    you “come” in their mouth
    c. after the bath, you move on to the bed where you receive an oil
    massage
    nb : some places have an inflatable mattress and offer a full body to body soapy experience (meaning that the girl will soap herself and wash you again with her tits and pussy by sliding all over your body)
    not all places have inflatable mattresses as it is quite rare.
    d. after the massage, the lady will proceed to another bbbj and then
    have sex with you
    e. after sex, back in the bathtub and she washes you again before
    you leave
    f) you need to leave a “tip” to the lady before you leave, the tip is up to you but usually ladies will expect nothing less than thb 500 (unless you did not like the session then you don’t have to tip).

    massage parlors : fashion massage *coming soon*

    massage parlors : akasuri massage *coming soon*

    bars : fantasy bars : eden club

    purely the kinkiest club/bar in bangkok….

    - eden club is not for everybody: club specialized 1 guy and 2 ladies ( or more )

    about the menu:

    1 man with 2, or more ladies
    if unsatisfied with service, no charge.

    special fantasies? let marc (the owner) know and he’ll make it happend

    all bisexual ladies, dildo and strap on.
    just show the ladies what you like, and don't be shy, they've heard it all before.

    left side of the yellow line anal sex.
    all the ladies provide oral sex.

    90 min. sessions, unlimited sessions.

    per lady : 1800 bht (us$45)
    everything included

    example of a basic eden experience :

    - 2 ladies
    - 3 drinks
    - tips to the ladies

    all in all about thb 5,000 (us$ 125)


    you choose 2 ladies yourself, even better, you choose one, and she chooses the other.
    uniforms on request (to please your fantasies)

    you are here for pleasure, not for drinking


    about services

    xxx : means everybody will provide this service

    services that you would like to perform with the ladies :

    oral sex bare xxx
    cum on face xxx rimming xxx
    uniform play xxx
    cum in mouth xxx
    vaginal sex (with condom) xxx
    vaginal fingering xxx
    lesbian performance xxx
    anal sex (with condom)
    anal fingering
    spanking
    light bondage
    [CodeWord134] on body
    [CodeWord134] in mouth
    foot worship



    services you want the ladies to perform on you :

    bare back blowjob (bbbj) xxx
    rimming xxx
    use toys (strap-on, dildo's,etc... ) xxx
    cum sharing xxx
    anal fingering xxx
    spanking
    light bondage
    [CodeWord134] on body
    [CodeWord134] in mouth
    deep throat
    foot worship

    about medical

    all the ladies have medical records
    each month for hiv and siphillis
    each week for std
    all the checks are to be seen anytime in the club


    bars : fantasy bars : blowjob bars

    there are quite a few of those in every main area of thailand.
    like the name says, this is a bar where you can have a drink, and choose a lady for a bj and you leave.

    pricing:
    bj = thb 700 to 1,000 (depending on the place)
    this is a pretty straightforward bar (looks like any bar in bkk) except that you need to be prepared before you walk in.

    ladies everywhere and all ready to give you a blowjob anywhere… yes, you read correct, you can sit at the bar counter and ask a girl to blow you right there in front of everyone while you quietly sip on your beer…
    a lot of people like to be watched and/or watch others receiving a blowjob (think of it as a “live” porn amateur movie).
    for the non-exhibitionist, they have areas with couches separated by a thick curtain to give you a little privacy.
    as there are no showers, the lady will thoroughly clean you dick before putting it in her mouth..
    the girls will give you a bbbj until you come (technically you have 20 minutes to come) and after 15 minutes, she will look at you and ask “you come now?”
    in these covered but not so private areas (you will see some people opening the curtains from time to time.. especially girls… some will also come and sit beside you to watch the other girls blow you…) you can be offered fj (whereas the lady will drop her panties and sit on you, she will slip a condom of course) fj = additional thb 500 to 1,000
    you also have private cubicles (real concrete walls and a locking door) that cost extra thb 300 to 500 but only for fj.
    that’s about all, as its name says, it’s a blowjob bar so you come in, order a beer get sucked, deposit your load in the girl’s mouth, pay and go.
    the ladies there are very good at giving blowjobs but the older they are (experience) the deeper they go (great deepthroat). most young girls will not go very far down your dick… and if you ask them to suck deeper, they will complain that “farang too big, mai dai” (meaning that foreigners are too big and she cannot deepthroat)… which of course is bullshit.
    you can take a lady out of the bar and bring her back to your hotel but you’ll have to pay a barfine to the bar (usually thb 500 to 600).

    bars : gogo bars *coming soon*

    bars : beer bars *coming soon*

    bars : freelancer bars *coming soon*

    bars : coyote bars / g clubs *coming soon*

    clubs : regular clubs *coming soon*

    clubs : after hours clubs *coming soon*

  7. #4670
    Quote Originally Posted by 1Ball
    By the same token, why include a 500 Bt ST room in your calculations?
    I live in this town so bringing a FL to my spacious and expensive condo is out of question. ST hotel is the best and Luxury Hotel Soi 19 has very clean rooms for this price.
    I forgot to also factor in the cost of taxi (~100thb) if you take her to your hotel.
    Keep in mind that FLs are a ST, one shot, 60 to 90 mn experience while Annies is 2 shots, a nice Bath, Massage and a Fuck, all in 120mn.

    2 shots from a FL will cost you 1,500

  8. #4669
    Quote Originally Posted by NicFrenchy
    Sorry, I was off by 50thb, I hope the cheap charlies out there will forgive me that mistake.
    50 lashes and bamboo under the finger nails for you, Frenchy

    By the same token, why include a 500 Bt ST room in your calculations?
    a FL should therefore be 1,000 plus a drink, plus a box of condoms.
    Still the most value, if you happened to pick a good one, and of course, there are no guarantees there, unless you have availed yourself of her services in the past, and call her over to your hotel, in which case, you have a winner.

    Sorry LB2, no contact for the cabbie, it was about 5 years ago.

  9. #4668
    Quote Originally Posted by Bumholes1
    Why does a 1 shot FREELANCER, presumably requiring maximum 1 condom, need 80bt spent on condoms? Do you use gold plated ones?
    80thb is the price for a Pack of 3 (assuming you aren't buying the Thai crap @ 30thb). When I do ST, I usually go through 2 to 3 condoms. I like to alternate between FS, BBBJ, FS, BBBJ and then FS again.

    If you want to nitpick about condom prices, fine, then you can spend 30thb and get the 49mm Thai condoms. Sorry, I was off by 50thb, I hope the cheap charlies out there will forgive me that mistake.

  10. #4667
    Quote Originally Posted by BuleDaddy

    It must be nice to live there, RA!
    To be honest with you, I've spent too much time in Thailand and I'm happiest when sitting on a plane and BKK is behind me.

    I Just hate leaving the little lady behind and that's why I always come back.

  11. #4666
    Quote Originally Posted by NicFrenchy



    Let's see... in the Sukh Area:



    FREELANCER
    BG7, Gullivers, Thermae, Street Walker 1,680thb, 60 to 90mn, 1 shot
    (1,000 for ST, + 100 drinks, + 80 Condoms + 500 ST Hotel)
    Why does a 1 shot FREELANCER, presumably requiring maximum 1 condom, need 80bt spent on condoms? Do you use gold plated ones?

  12. #4665
    Quote Originally Posted by Daddy07
    Although I sympathize with the Annie’s girl’s predicament, Beagleface’s tip of 300 baht still amounts to more than 17%, which seems quite reasonable and adequate to me, unless he got 2 or more pops during the session, which would probably justify a higher sum. I think 2200 baht for a short time session is rather expensive in view of the fact that the same level of looks and service can generally be had for 1000 – 1500 baht elsewhere.
    I can't disagree that its a bit expensive in the end,
    but its just I would have to have some sympathy for the girl after receiving a really good service from her. I would feel I was ripping her off by giving a low tip. She has got to eat and pay the rent too. She wasn't happy with a 300 Baht tip.
    The girl will quick tell all her friends that this guy is "cheap charlie".
    There is never any point at all in repeating with a girl who is not happy with you! The odd customer that has ripped off a Tulip girl would never ever get any service at all again even if the girl goes to the room with him.
    But in the end we don't go to Annies, so probably my opinion is not wanted.

    If I found a good Annies girl, I would probably give her the opportunity to see me secretly outside so that we could avoid the heavy management fees and allow her to get a better deal. Its better for me at Oilies where fee to management and girl are kept completely seperate, or at Soapies where girl gets greater than 50%, but Annies does not to do this.

  13. #4664
    Quote Originally Posted by NicFrenchy
    Let's see... in the Sukh Area:

    SOAPIES
    Annies 1,700thb, 120mn, 2 shots

    Darling 2,500thb, 90mn, 2 shots

    OILIES
    Any place 2,300thb, 120mn, 1 shot
    (800 for 2 hours before you even talk about extras, FS is 1500 on top of that)

    FREELANCER
    BG7, Gullivers, Thermae, Street Walker 1,680thb, 60 to 90mn, 1 shot
    (1,000 for ST, + 100 drinks, + 80 Condoms + 500 ST Hotel)

    GO GO BAR
    Any NEP, Cowboy, or beer bar 2,830thb, 60 to 90mn, 1 shot
    (500 Barfine + 250 drinks + 80 condoms, 500 ST Hotel + 1500 ST rate)

    I did not include tipping because Tipping is up to the punter.

    All taken into consideration, Annies is still the punter's cheapest alternative in Sukhumvit.
    How can you not include tipping when you include it (the fee the tip) with the others. ROFL and then you include hotels. ROFL. Most punters have a hotel already FFS.

    Lets do it again, more fairly:

    Let's see. In the Sukh Area:

    SOAPIES
    Annies 1,700thb + 500thb + 140thb drinks, 120mn, 2 shots = 2340

    Darling 2,500thb, 90mn, 2 shots = 2500

    SPECIALS

    OILIES
    Any place 60mn, 1 shot = 2100
    (600 for 1 hour FS is 1500 on top of that)

    FREELANCER
    BG7, Gullivers, Thermae, Street Walker 1,680thb, 60 to 90mn, 1 or 2 shot
    (1,000 for ST, + 100 drinks, + 80 Condoms) = 1180 thb

    GO GO BAR
    Any NEP, Cowboy, or beer bar 2,830thb, 120 to 180mn, 1 or 2 shot
    (500 Barfine + 250 drinks + 80 condoms + 1500 ST rate) 2330 thb

  14. #4663
    Quote Originally Posted by Daddy07
    If I understand you correctly, you are saying that an Annie’s girl receives only 500 baht from the 1700 paid to management for a session, which means that the shop gets 1200 – substantially more than twice as much as the girl. You believe that the minimum tip should therefore be 500 baht, (roughly 30% of the charges) in order for the girl to make 1000 baht. But why should the customer compensate the girl for the shop’s greedy and unfair pay scale arrangement?
    That is hearsay. how can we be so sure about what the girls make @ Annies? I know the prices were raised from 1500 to 1700 and that the extra 200 went directly into the girls pocket.

    Although I sympathize with the Annie’s girl’s predicament, Beagleface’s tip of 300 baht still amounts to more than 17%, which seems quite reasonable and adequate to me, unless he got 2 or more pops during the session, which would probably justify a higher sum.
    Annies minimum is 2 shots: 1 in the tub + 1 on the bed

    I think 2200 baht for a short time session is rather expensive in view of the fact that the same level of looks and service can generally be had for 1000 – 1500 baht elsewhere.
    Let's see... in the Sukh Area:

    SOAPIES
    Annies 1,700thb, 120mn, 2 shots

    Darling 2,500thb, 90mn, 2 shots

    OILIES
    Any place 2,300thb, 120mn, 1 shot
    (800 for 2 hours before you even talk about extras, FS is 1500 on top of that)

    FREELANCER
    BG7, Gullivers, Thermae, Street Walker 1,680thb, 60 to 90mn, 1 shot
    (1,000 for ST, + 100 drinks, + 80 Condoms + 500 ST Hotel)

    GO GO BAR
    Any NEP, Cowboy, or beer bar 2,830thb, 60 to 90mn, 1 shot
    (500 Barfine + 250 drinks + 80 condoms, 500 ST Hotel + 1500 ST rate)

    I did not include tipping because Tipping is up to the punter.

    All taken into consideration, Annies is still the punter's cheapest alternative in Sukhumvit.

  15. #4662
    Quote Originally Posted by Mick Licker
    Don't go to Annies, because the girl being "butt ugly" is not giving you permission to under pay.
    If you gave 300 then she would make a total of 800 which is considered well below the going rate for a sex session.
    Uf she didn't perform hardly at all that's different. But 500 is really the minimum tip IMHO.
    Annies has two problems for me. Too much money goes to the management and because of that, the girls are not so pretty.
    I seldom go to soapy or oily massage parlors because there are usually much less expensive alternatives available offering the same quality of service.

    If I understand you correctly, you are saying that an Annie’s girl receives only 500 baht from the 1700 paid to management for a session, which means that the shop gets 1200 – substantially more than twice as much as the girl. You believe that the minimum tip should therefore be 500 baht, (roughly 30% of the charges) in order for the girl to make 1000 baht. But why should the customer compensate the girl for the shop’s greedy and unfair pay scale arrangement?

    Although I sympathize with the Annie’s girl’s predicament, Beagleface’s tip of 300 baht still amounts to more than 17%, which seems quite reasonable and adequate to me, unless he got 2 or more pops during the session, which would probably justify a higher sum. I think 2200 baht for a short time session is rather expensive in view of the fact that the same level of looks and service can generally be had for 1000 – 1500 baht elsewhere.

    I know that you favor more expensive parlors that charge 2500 and up for a 90 minute session. What do you believe should be the minimum tip at those places, and how much does the shop keep? A 500 baht tip would bring the total cost for the session to 3000 baht, which seems excessive for short time sex unless the girl is a superstar providing outstanding looks and multiple PSE pops. For that kind of money I can get 3 ST sessions with great looking girls.

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