Bangkok Reports

[Duniawala]

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The only way anyone would be able to even semi-accurately pick someone out as Chinese as opposed to Japanese or Korean is by their clothes, hair style, shoes, teeth, jewelry, maybe posture/body language, etc. And of course, as you mentioned, language.

I don't know about others, but after living in Los Angeles for many years, I am able to (80-90%) pick out the correct ethnicity between, Japanese, Koreans, Thai, Vietnamese and Chinese.

.......Someone asked about the Thermae - have not been yet but two friends did and they had a similar experience to what I had received on my last trip - lots of girls but most of the cute ones want to go with the Japanese. He even asked a girl why and she told him "because they are Asian and you are not".

I was there 2 weeks ago, and found that if you wait till the closing (or a little bit earlier) a lot of the cute ones are willing to go out with you. Too few buyers and too many suppliers. The free market rules.

[Wendella]

Even I as a Westerner can see that most Japanese don't look like as Chinese. I think generally Thais can tell the difference too. Head is a slightly different shape. Eyes a bit different. But its when they open their mouth and talk that of course is the give away, again mostly.
Now in T1234's case it could be confusing when he has American accent.

Though I can't back this up with specific research, I tend to think this is hooey. China has 1.3 billion people, and so they have a lot of different head shapes. Japan has lots of different head shapes too. You'll see lots of different eye shapes in, just for example, Canada, or even a place as tiny as Monaco. And Japan, and China, and Thailand too, of course. Genetically speaking, the genes of the vast majority of Japanese would be coming from the same people who populated China and Korea-- think about it. Humans didn't spring up there independently as a new species deriving from the apes of Japan. The settled there. Where could they have come from? If you look at a map for a second it's obvious. They could only have come from China or Korea. Any genetic differences would have to have occurred in only the last 30,000 years, that's how long Japan has been inhabited. Not enough time for their head shapes to completely change. Any particular purely physical traits they would have in Japan would surely be found also in Korea and or China.

(just looked up a bit on this: Japan was connected to the mainland until 11,000 BC, end of last ice age)

The only way anyone would be able to even semi-accurately pick someone out as Chinese as opposed to Japanese or Korean is by their clothes, hair style, shoes, teeth, jewelry, maybe posture/body language, etc. And of course, as you mentioned, language.

[Daddy San]

As my Thai Female staff told me, it is now almost impossible to find a Thai girl that is a virgin at 19...

I hope, that was not in answer to your own question!
The saying goes:
"Never fuck the hired hand!"

[Old Thai Hand]

Look, The Bargirls are not what they used to be 15 years ago, fine but we are in 2008 and what makes me happy is that a lot of girls are now very much open to Casual Sex

As my Thai Female staff told me, it is now almost impossible to find a Thai girl that is a virgin at 19...

Well, it's the ordinary TGs, of course that make it worthwhile staying here.

[NicFrenchy]

For the newbie who's never been here, what those of us who are tired of it all think of as boring and not worth the bother, would all seem quite fantastic and eye-popping. It's all a matter of perspective.

Look, The Bargirls are not what they used to be 15 years ago, fine but we are in 2008 and what makes me happy is that a lot of girls are now very much open to Casual Sex

As my Thai Female staff told me, it is now almost impossible to find a Thai girl that is a virgin at 19...

[DRRonin]

Sorry if my report sounded depressing and whiny - please don't assume that my experiences will be yours - everyone sees these things differently and it really depends on what you are looking for. For example, I never go to massage parlors because they just aren't my thing but I am sure they are doing fine. I'd never step foot inside Eden Club but others swear by it. I don't go to the high end clubs because I can't afford it. My needs are simple - reasonably young, pretty and fun freelancers who can give great blow jobs - and to a large degree that market has dried up, become more difficult to access or risen in price. I understand that guys are always talking about getting girls for 1,000 baht - good for them - but then I also see many girls that guys go with for 1,000 baht and I wouldn't touch them with John McCain's shrivelled dick. It's all a matter of what rocks your boat. And there are still loads of go-go bars that I haven't seen yet and they may be filled with treasure or maybe I just caught them on bad nights. Mainly though I need to say that my experience so far is very much through the prism of my changing mindset about p4p - I never really thought this day would come but I am getting kind of tired of the whole process. It is starting to feel soulless to me. So please I hope no one will change their plans about coming to Thailand, there are still loads of girls here, the sun was out today, the food is great, the beer is cold, lots of comradship and you can find pretty much anything you want from a ladyboy to a Russian to an African to a total Thai Cutiepie in pairs or triplicates!

Someone asked about the Thermae - have not been yet but two friends did and they had a similar experience to what I had received on my last trip - lots of girls but most of the cute ones want to go with the Japanese. He even asked a girl why and she told him "because they are Asian and you are not".

[M P Lurker]

not too sure on that. the last time i went to los i was called everything from japanese, chinese, and everything in between.

Even I as a Westerner can see that most Japanese don't look like as Chinese. I think generally Thais can tell the difference too. Head is a slightly different shape. Eyes a bit different. But its when they open their mouth and talk that of course is the give away, again mostly.
Now in T1234's case it could be confusing when he has American accent.

[M P Lurker]

Dr Ronin's report was silly in the extreme. How could someone spend so much time whining? Can't we get past the "Man, it sure was better the other day, the other week, other month" "Grass is greener, remember back in. Blah, blah, blah. " It rains in BKK until November 1 or so. Anybody that has spent any amount of time here knows it will pick up again. Just in time for yours truly.

Yeh man. I am arriving for some fun. I don't give a damn about the weather the politcal unrest and whatever. I am determined to have a great time. I have seen the downpours many times before. We just get used to it. More large umbrellas, less walking, more time on the bed.

[Dizz Hizz]

LBM - welcome to the club. I think the TG can tell the difference btw japanese and chinese - just tell them you're from hk or singapore

not too sure on that. the last time i went to los i was called everything from japanese, chinese, and everything in between.

[Traveler1234]

Damn,

Now I'm expected to pay more because the economy is down and I look Japanese. This is pure discrimation! This is more of a reason I'm sticking to Tulip, for the price at least I can relax without all the Bullshit and still get GFE.

LBM

ROFLMAO

LBM - welcome to the club. I think the TG can tell the difference btw japanese and chinese - just tell them you're from hk or singapore

[LittleBigMan]

Damn,

Sound like I'm screwed every which way! I'm on a budget and always stayed at the Nana, because you get a 25 baht, newspaper, buffet breakfast, a free fruit drink at the bar and get a wave from the guard to enter the disco for free since I was staying in the hotel. I just flashed him my room key and ask him if I could take a look. Now there's nothing to look at!!! When you break it all down I was paying around 800 baht a night.

Now I'm expected to pay more because the economy is down and I look Japanese. This is pure discrimation! This is more of a reason I'm sticking to Tulip, for the price at least I can relax without all the Bullshit and still get GFE.

LBM

[Wendella]

bangkok seems to be under the weather right now and a heavy torpor lies over everything and everyone.

jeez i think i'm gonna kill myself. thanks for all the good news.

i have thought of exactly the same assessment of nana disco -- it's too little too late at this point. what they need to do is just make it free again. they need to grab some dramatic attention, and a moderate price reduction isn't gonna get that attention. they were making money hand over fist a few years ago, the place packed every night of the week. you have to wonder who the dumbass is who managed to destroy their business with this gate fee. how pathetic had it become? they used to sell the tickets right outside the door. as the place dropped in popularity they moved the ticket table up further and further in toward the lobby. why? well, you couldn't go past the ticket table without a ticket. and if you went outside the door to peer into the club, of course you would see how pathetically empty it was and wouldn't consider buying a 400 baht ticket to enter an empty club. obviously the realized this -- seeing lots of would-be customers walking up, peering in, seeing an empty club and just doing a 180 and walking away. so the solution: move the table in toward the lobby.

it's funny, but i've seen at times in asia that the desire to bilk the foreigners is stronger than the desire to actually make money.

[Retired Army]

I have hit a few go-go bars and most of them are as empty as a Republican’s campaign rhetoric.

The Republicans may have empty rhetoric, but at least they don't just sling Bull Shit like the Democrats.

I think your report is one of the few that deserves a ROD, politics aside.

Mongering in Thailand is all about the business cycle. Sometimes it's good, sometimes it's not so good. As the Thai economy takes the financial hit from the crisis in the U.S. there will be lots more girls available.

Sorry to hear about Angel's Disco in the Nana Hotel. That used to be a favorite hang out of mine. What about the Thermae? Nothing was mentioned about the situation there.

[GoodEnough]

Well written report Ronin, but depressing as hell for me. I always looked forward to escaping to Bangkok for three or four days when the Philippines started getting me down. Now, apparently, I will have to search for another destination to which I can get for a long week end from the Philippines. Of course, as Gamahucher alludes to, the Burgos St. bars in Makati have been in this situation for a long time; no customers, escalating prices, empty bar stools. You would think that someone would go to the trouble of reading a textbook on basic management.

I was especially sorry to hear of the apparent decline of Nana Plaza. At least in Manila, there's the always reliable LA Cafe, which rarely if ever disappoints and that is a haven for freelancers. It's the place to go to when all else fails.

The attachment of Thai women to Japanese men seems roughly equivalent to the growing preference of the LA Cafe ladies for Koreans who get drunk, pay way over the odds and come immediately, or so I'm told by the LA Cafe band of merry pranksters.

Thanks again for the insightful observations, depressing though they were.

GE

[1Ball]

Nice report DRRonin.
the last 3 lines in your post are a perfect description of how many old timers feel, IMO. (myself included)